< 1792455205 26958 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792455797 533989 :sludgegunkman!~sludge__@user/sludgegunkman JOIN #esolangs sludgegunkman :Sludge McGunkman < 1792455913 34897 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 275 seconds > 1792456528 746195 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199433&oldid=199432 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+19717) 10 < 1792456678 574325 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1792457088 215868 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792457106 89399 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot < 1792457106 175929 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: watch the absurdity ensue! _ http://www.befunge.org/ fyb/ < 1792457115 567641 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :deadlink < 1792457156 468701 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines < 1792457202 554430 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang JOIN #esolangs goldlang :goldlang < 1792457221 549329 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1792457224 727282 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello < 1792457263 535822 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am developing a programming language whose entire objective is to be the most readable, and also most "safest" language, beating Rust. < 1792457325 536576 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i still am working on boostrap phase of compiler, i still have long road ahead < 1792457329 279118 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder how you'd go about measuring that < 1792457336 533836 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :great question < 1792457372 535514 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. You just feel it i guess hahaha < 1792457421 552525 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i want go into an essay but,, who really cares like truly who cares? < 1792457455 540153 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :do ppl even realize the shitstorm that is the future ? vibe coded C operating systems and firmware, running in your brain implant ? < 1792457494 552778 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :why am i even caring, im just some ranodm poor kid in some place, gaaaaaaaah this is not right move < 1792457522 687994 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the premise is interesting < 1792457551 18589 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could imagine taking a survey and trying to compound all of what people think is "readable" into a language < 1792457617 539793 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :True. It all started after I've learned and gotten comfortable with Rust. I didn't get comfortable with Rust despite "mastering" it. Rust syntax AND semantics are really just,... unintutive + questionable. Not to mention lackluster protections regarding logic safety bugs. Like ok, it's hard to overflow stuff in safe rust, but it's still easy to do logic bugs / other types of memroy safety bugs. < 1792457622 540001 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's start with readability < 1792457637 534032 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :I love Golang, let's get that out of way. Go is the best programming language in terms of readability and feel (ALMOST the best) < 1792457677 65845 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1792457686 535615 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, my language's syntax is heavily inspired by Go, which is good. I also think syntax and semantics being readable and intutitve help reduce security bugs, by reducing mental clutter /boilerplate on programmer, I am already running on thin wires (in brain) hahahaha < 1792457724 535316 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aside from similar-ish syntax, I actually improve upon Go's syntax further < 1792457779 545594 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :FOr instance, by swapping out "&&" and "||" with "and" and "or" respectifully, while retaining the old school operators for bitwise. (& and |), this way there's 0 chance & and | are ever confused with AND or OR, .. small, but counts. sooo many bugs by this, compiler,e ven "strict" ones like rust, happily take ur & instead of && and compile, lol. < 1792457842 535920 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it's not just "Rust with golang's syntax", its more of... idk, its own syntax. I Think it's awesome + full of cool little things like that, that help reduce security bugs while also improving readablity relative to other languages.. < 1792457908 536136 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tha'ts mostly it for the uh syntax, jsut high overview, as for actual actual security features, theres a couple < 1792457941 534632 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Starting off, sane defaults. I know, boring right, warnings as errors as default ? wahaaat? No concept of warnings only errosr? woah. ok. < 1792457995 555582 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Default arthiemtic is always checked no overflow ??! even on floats (even if it means going against the hardware "spec" its trash spec anyway, i dont like hardware, iw ill make my own hardware and os with my language) < 1792458002 546025 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, checked even on bitwise operations < 1792458086 812492 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :checked for no overflow? as in it maxes out at the highest representation? < 1792458114 647984 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or does it prevent it entirely < 1792458132 552325 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, a check is inserted in the generated binary before the artheimtic operation, if it goes out of bounds of the integer type or whatever, the program is set to crash safely. < 1792458160 534915 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :the alternative is what many languages do, take rust for example, they just let it overflow lol so if u have integer overflow, ur back to c level safety < 1792458187 536076 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :well not nessacrily, but it does create painful logic bugs not easy to diagnose versuse most other typesof bugs. < 1792458227 792606 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't imagine there would be the concept of overflow for floats and bitwise ops < 1792458230 540524 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, those are sane "defaults" basically, nonthing groundbreaking yet.. < 1792458238 534586 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, ther eis < 1792458254 535176 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :floats overflow is called cutely "precison loss" < 1792458276 667661 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not overflow though? < 1792458290 538189 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :true, but is sussy + can create sec issues < 1792458296 536500 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :but more importantly, i hate the hardawre float spec < 1792458297 548891 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :inf/nan < 1792458302 551472 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is the more "overflow" < 1792458322 867718 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not having access to inf would be an issue < 1792458331 534527 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :if your doing graphics and stuff, yes. < 1792458348 62351 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-046-173.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds < 1792458356 534336 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :but i hate it, its like they wanted a "async" error mechanism so they invented the inf/nan shit < 1792458368 540404 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyhow < 1792458384 536617 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :no type inference < 1792458390 548798 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :let x = 1 + 100 < 1792458399 534648 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you tell me what x type is in rust ? < 1792458414 85823 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly I've never used rust, but presumably int or float of some kind < 1792458441 540289 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :int32 < 1792458462 534634 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, the problem is, making type inference is really nice for programmer, im not gonna lie, BUT, it allows dangerous oversight < 1792458510 547130 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :if programmer is not "in-your-eyes" reminded that x is int32 or something, they could do logic that assumes otherwise, subtly, and create extremely complicated bugs to debug (if they even find them out lol most of bugs of this way, usually depend on state, and some delay, rarely causing overflows or logic problems) < 1792458521 534027 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :by making types expliclit, a lot of crying is saved, i love myself < 1792458526 533856 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you love me ? < 1792458549 452284 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :too early to say. all of this has been very interesting though < 1792458570 534893 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, enough of integer overflow talk < 1792458592 534157 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :my language will also have no precennde in operations (bootstrap compiler will have arthiemtic precedence, but not later phases) < 1792458593 534188 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :so < 1792458601 534980 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :own x int64 = 1 + 2 + 3 < 1792458616 534979 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :is invalid code. BUT, own x int64 = (1 + 2) + 3 IS valid < 1792458638 587532 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, harsh < 1792458652 535078 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Programmers are not mathematicans, idk even remember predcedence table lmao but it can also create mind bending bugs that you realize was so simple, < 1792458678 534172 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :my problems is no tbugs, its bugs that lead to getting hacked. getting hacked is no longer just "oopise my ip leaked and a crypto miner is running on my pc. no problem i can just close it and touch grass" no habibi, that is not how it works < 1792458701 536695 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :cameras, constantly connected, evern if u live in a shack ur nehighbhor isn't.. etc etc > 1792458701 677170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Tapeworm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199434 5* 03ImOnlyHereForReversibleComputing 5* (+1318) 10Created page with "== Infinite loop == The infinite loop program does not appear to run infinitely as-written. The toggle inside of the loop will set the condition back to 1 on the second iteration of the loop, causing it to exit. I think it mig < 1792458730 536043 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :and finally to close the integer stuff < 1792458746 546230 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :bitwise is checked only on shifts primarily, against the type's bit width < 1792458762 534703 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :if u shit more than bit width, even if the shift amount is dynamic at runtime, it get caught + safely neutralized < 1792458769 534514 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :(aka a safe crash) < 1792458777 538036 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, enough of lame intgere shit < 1792458783 534726 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's talk about something actually interesting > 1792458783 958843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199435&oldid=199433 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-19717) 10Undo revision [[Special:Diff/199433|199433]] by [[Special:Contributions/Hotcrystal0|Hotcrystal0]] ([[User talk:Hotcrystal0|talk]]) < 1792458825 557627 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :a fully static stack analyzer, that at compile time, gaurantees no overflow ,i can write firmware with that, i can guarantee no overflow. did you know rust has no overflwo protection ? yeah neither did i until last year, so much for being so" secure" yet it depends on operating system < 1792458849 534896 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah my language later phases wil lhave a fully stawtic stack analyzer, with 0 input from programmer. to ensure ur program is safe at compile time, even if ur program is a firmware < 1792458858 533663 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :now THAT is interesting. i love it < 1792458894 535593 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, big big talk, but im a small small boy. < 1792458905 534312 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i only have bootstrap compiler < 1792458912 533540 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :still wip.. https://github.com/GoldLanguage/GoldLang-Bootstrap < 1792458930 535858 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :almost 50k loc, 5k of it is compiler code, 45k-ish is purely just tests. tests upon tests upon tests. < 1792458966 538658 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have achieved an almost 100% test coverage not just on lines covered, but also no regions, functions, and branches! Do you know how insnne that is ? like genuinely, does anyonr here even come close to realizing just how insasne that is ? < 1792458994 534901 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :not 50k loc is insane, no, it's that number.. its not just lines coverage, its fuctions, regions, and branches.. yes. you heard it right, branches.. bruh < 1792459002 292006 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've never done unit tests < 1792459015 546345 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :calling this unit tests is an insult that hurt.. < 1792459029 35825 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1792459030 384288 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mh, I don't know the semantics either < 1792459034 549579 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :this aint no unit tests bro.. this is whitebox unit tests, blackbo unit tests, reflective tests, it's a comprehsive test suite < 1792459049 534521 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are you doing here , i am curious, u never write unit tests before ? < 1792459088 28553 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nope, never felt a need to < 1792459112 148080 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :granted it's probably not going to be forever, I'm just being lazy and most of what I make are one-offs < 1792459151 534452 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's good your honest. < 1792459177 507749 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see why I would lie about that < 1792459179 535009 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i will be lying to you if i say my ego is connected to that hand wirtten 50k test suite.. i hated every moment of it, but it was almost... felt good, in a weird painful way < 1792459201 545978 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :its like.. idk.. living. its kinda mehh for 90% of ppl, but shits gonna get done < 1792459213 553485 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if im not part of the 1%, so what < 1792459256 535965 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, yeah thats my. thing. i really am tired of getting hacked,entire reason im developing this < 1792459276 533885 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :thought to open source it cuz.. why not < 1792459285 727551 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.38 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what are you getting hacked that often by? < 1792459298 548345 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :nation state adverisaries < 1792459310 537416 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me cut to the bs, its israel lol. < 1792459322 551661 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, idk why they care about me, but , i don't think they like me very much. < 1792459352 539805 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i have seen ex unit 8200 ppl hack ppl and livestream them to randoms on internet through discord / telegram, just to get "street cred", yeah these israelis ego so weak, they trash < 1792459383 869456 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1792459393 536365 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :0-days in every single thing. firmware, operating systems, browsers, ric clients, everything. and access to everything, telecom companies, bruh bro everything. < 1792459407 546139 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why i am obessed with memory safety < 1792459419 84823 :Melvar!~melvar@dslb-088-077-043-200.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de JOIN #esolangs Melvar :melvar < 1792459428 534209 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :im just a poor boy from third world, no degree at all... yet, im developing a language that never been done before.. < 1792459452 539424 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :where is the "mit" ppl? the harvard ppl? wheres the smart ppl? no noe is smart, theyre all dumb, me too, but somehow they're dumber < 1792459462 534611 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont want be here rn < 1792459476 535492 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :or talking here, or developing this, or writing tests, or thinking about memory safety < 1792459481 536734 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, idk < 1792459483 535287 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :i kinda do have to < 1792460239 560167 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, this is not good first impressions < 1792460255 534757 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang PRIVMSG #esolangs :tl;dr: check my language its cool :) < 1792461049 183348 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1792461584 929291 :goldlang!~goldlang@user/goldlang QUIT :Quit: goldlang < 1792462003 40770 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< 1792478282 188409 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1792478340 92251 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1792478980 52466 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mlm14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199441&oldid=199137 5* 03Spira. 5* (+19) 10 < 1792479161 840674 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow something happened < 1792479190 382327 :myname!~myname@152.53.22.209 QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 4.10.1 > 1792479257 905724 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199442&oldid=198914 5* 03RandomAnonyomous 5* (+16) 1099 used to point to a disambiguation page > 1792480085 83958 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07John Alpex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199443 5* 03Spira. 5* (+402) 10Created page with "'''John Alpex''' is [[:Category:Joke languages|joke]] [[esoteric programming language]] by [[User:Spira.]] ==Commnds== {| !command!!description |- |JO||[[Hello, World!]] |- |OHN||[[Quine]] |- |A||output "JOHN ALPEX" |- |LPE > 1792480138 981566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Spira.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199444&oldid=199425 5* 03Spira. 5* (+41) 10 > 1792480369 972700 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MicroJohn Alpex14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199445 5* 03Spira. 5* (+409) 10Created page with "'''MicroJohn Alpex''' is same [[John Alpex]] by [[User:Spira.]] but only lowercase letters ==Commnds== {| !command!!description |- |jo|| lowercase [[Hello, World!]] |- |ohn|| lowercase [[Quine]] |- |a||output "john alpex" | > 1792480423 533557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Spira.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199446&oldid=199444 5* 03Spira. 5* (-170) 10 < 1792481365 212604 :aadenboy|2!~kvirc@172.56.104.230 NICK :aadenboy < 1792481367 930129 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.104.230 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight < 1792481599 961594 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gn aadenboy < 1792482871 67184 :myname!~myname@152.53.22.209 JOIN #esolangs * :myname > 1792484155 124834 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Odynophagia14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199447 5* 03Spira. 5* (+74) 10Created page with "{{lowercase}} ConstantLanguage("odynophagia") ===[[Quine]]=== odynophagia" > 1792484228 904365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Spira.14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199448&oldid=199446 5* 03Spira. 5* (+18) 10 < 1792484255 384321 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 esolang per hour is actually insane > 1792484365 639116 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199449&oldid=195736 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+117) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add [[odynophagia]] < 1792484583 908126 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1792485087 405791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk: 14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199450&oldid=199351 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+344) 10 < 1792485359 592628 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1792485861 87346 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ JOIN #esolangs PkmnQ :realname < 1792486217 55087 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 JOIN #esolangs * :de67 > 1792486267 395907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk: 14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199451&oldid=199450 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+157) 10 < 1792486467 756863 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1792486500 361181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199452&oldid=199449 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+140) 10Add note for [[6]] and year for XKCD Random Number (though isn't the latter more of a program form than an esolang?) < 1792486548 47767 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 JOIN #esolangs * :de67 > 1792487070 274722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199453&oldid=191507 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+169) 10Mark as unimplemented > 1792487078 41159 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199454&oldid=199452 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (-43) 10 > 1792487835 504658 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199455&oldid=136505 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+195) 10/* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */ new section < 1792487962 395767 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines > 1792488646 19809 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Obuqwe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199456&oldid=198378 5* 03Obuqwe 5* (+118) 10 > 1792488761 928090 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Obuqwe14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199457&oldid=199456 5* 03Obuqwe 5* (+6) 10 > 1792488962 719039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199458&oldid=199455 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+173) 10/* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */ > 1792489384 155044 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199459&oldid=199458 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+245) 10 < 1792490449 978695 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1792490542 136636 :de67!~de67@185.229.85.107 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1792490735 785557 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 NICK :AnovaBot < 1792490851 36652 :AnovaBot!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PART :#esolangs < 1792491405 82848 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :(Mini) Comet If It Was Worse > 1792493305 653584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Guesolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199460&oldid=198807 5* 03Im bad at naming 5* (+119) 10/* Chatting Area */ > 1792493863 349790 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Pi(e)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199461&oldid=199459 5* 03None1 5* (+428) 10/* Make it a program form instead of a constant language */ < 1792494270 37093 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1792494360 559759 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : What is a good way to make a backup of a running GNU/Linux system if it sometimes restarts due to a problem with the computer so it is not guaranteed to remain running long enough to do it at once? ← normally I make uncompressed backups whose filesystem structure is the same as that on the original machine, which allows for incrementally updating a backup using rsync; that would probably work in your case too (although I'm not sure whether, if < 1792494362 219015 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is a power failure while rsync is writing a file, that rsync will notice that the file is wrong on the next sync) < 1792494469 328823 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually rsync doesn't seem to be very good in terms of atomicity, it has an "--fsync" option which would not be sufficient in this case and doesn't seem to offer anything stronger < 1792494538 859199 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :--delay-updates might work (it at least uses a rename-over approach to updating files) but seems questionable in other ways, maybe --delay-updates --fsync would be reliable enough < 1792494592 809366 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it also has the problem of temporarily using double the normal disk space, which can be a problem for backups as they often almost fill the resulting disk) < 1792494703 519252 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : as in, a check is inserted in the generated binary before the artheimtic operation, if it goes out of bounds of the integer type or whatever, the program is set to crash safely. ← Rust actually has an option to do this (although it isn't the default in release mode), but I'm not sure it really gives you that much safety unless you consider unexpected crashes to be safe > 1792494827 882583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199462&oldid=199435 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+351) 10/* P9+ */ < 1792494914 221845 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That holy^Wgoldlang thing doesn't have any rationale whatsoever (there's a list of buzzwords, but no explanation why those properties offer any advantage over Rust), nor any really meaningful examples. The syntax is awful. There's no need to invent new keywords for everything. < 1792494929 560920 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Though I guess that makes it an esolang, sort of.) < 1792494990 738218 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I don't really care about goldlang itself, but I am interested in thinking along the lines of "what would a safer Rust like" (actually I have spent years thinking about this) < 1792495003 60434 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ JOIN #esolangs PkmnQ :realname < 1792495020 673109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well I think that would require a rationale ;) < 1792495162 462494 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/GoldLanguage/GoldLang-Bootstrap/blob/main/src/ast/types.rs#L16-L37 -- no user-defined types, no references or pointers. Yeah, sure, that makes tracking ownership much easier since there is no such thing. < 1792495248 853947 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like the whole motivation of Rust is that you can write C/C++-like code that's memory safe without too much hassle. < 1792495259 221735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which means having references. < 1792495279 347056 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. Not impressed :P < 1792495373 319081 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I view Rust as having too much influence from C and C++ and think it's really holding the language back < 1792495390 510904 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(e.g. raw pointers in Rust don't have lifetimes, but logically should) < 1792495395 12909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I agree that alternative approaches (replacing, say, lifetimes by something else) could be interesting. Also daunting. < 1792495537 785014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. well, they do slices instead which are kind of like references that support (limited) pointer arithmetic < 1792497347 918969 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rust lifetime generics (the situation in which you would write a lifetime explicitly) are interesting because they mostly don't give much power, other rules of the compiler ensure that anything a function can reference must be alive at the time < 1792497373 699083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're basically only useful for allowing functions/methods to manipulate values that other parts of the code need to live a long time < 1792497415 698520 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. if a function returns a value that needs to outlive the function call < 1792497458 908939 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been wondering whether it might be possible to replace most of this with a sort of continuation-passing style (in which functions return their values via callbacks), I think most common uses of lifetimes can be replaced like that but some of them can't be < 1792500543 790935 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1792500900 192200 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ JOIN #esolangs PkmnQ :realname < 1792501396 661479 :Everything!~Everythin@212.90.60.10 JOIN #esolangs Everything :Everything > 1792501596 755637 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:lang without Quine with Quine14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199463 5* 03None1 5* (+348) 10Created page with "I doubt that the piece of text in this page is public domain. --~~~~" > 1792501973 331323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nope.14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199464&oldid=193999 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10/* Implementations */ Sort in alphabetical order > 1792502584 938221 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Golf14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199465&oldid=199218 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+389) 10Add two program forms < 1792502669 883739 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine > 1792502782 480647 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Processor/114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199466&oldid=15194 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+488) 10/* ordering */ new section < 1792502793 75489 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792503109 902218 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1792503124 92906 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792503204 916102 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1792503216 303557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Raiseafloppafan7741/Constant language directory14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199467&oldid=199454 5* 03None1 5* (+501) 10/* ConstantLanguage() */ Add a few > 1792504240 839734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hello,world!14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199468 5* 03None1 5* (+348) 10Created page with "I doubt that the piece of text in this page is public domain. --~~~~" > 1792504292 465071 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Hello,world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199469&oldid=199468 5* 03Raiseafloppafan7741 5* (+401) 10 > 1792504858 508680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello,world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199470&oldid=193289 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (-41388) 10/* Name */ remove potential copyright infringement < 1792504919 750285 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HOLY CRAP THATS A LOT > 1792504923 27251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello,world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199471&oldid=199470 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+1892) 10 > 1792504979 960623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello,world!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199472&oldid=199471 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-267) 10 > 1792505090 285426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fizzbuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199473&oldid=178595 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (-1848) 10remove potentially copyright-violating material > 1792505100 928787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fizzbuzz14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199474&oldid=199473 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+0) 10 < 1792506331 822317 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1792506407 166485 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1792506741 626428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199475&oldid=199400 5* 03A random guy 5* (+1447) 10Start of Vegetable Juice. < 1792506785 22428 :FreeFull!~freefull@user/FreeFull QUIT : > 1792506992 3642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199476&oldid=199475 5* 03A random guy 5* (+1) 10 < 1792507983 450979 :de67!~de67@user/de67 JOIN #esolangs de67 :de67 > 1792509016 269594 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03SB112butiforgotmypassword 5* 10New user account < 1792509050 462221 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :'nother n00b! < 1792509086 610530 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rapid response time < 1792509098 361292 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(also their account name says "butiforgotmypassword" so they're probably not new) < 1792509111 450600 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1792509118 480397 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lemme look up SB112 < 1792509174 522715 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1792509184 510875 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres no user SB112 on esowiki < 1792509316 210734 :FreeFull!~freefull@user/FreeFull JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1792509324 620028 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi FreeFull > 1792509421 697356 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199477&oldid=199476 5* 03A random guy 5* (+1088) 10Did a Hello World Program since this already has the capability to do so already. > 1792509540 502013 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199478&oldid=195429 5* 03A random guy 5* (+1003) 10Added Vegetable Juice to the list of Hello World Programs. > 1792509868 892719 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Miui 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Gtleq.png10]]" < 1792509883 561317 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh miui is bacc > 1792509909 652335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199480&oldid=199477 5* 03A random guy 5* (+562) 10Fixed a error. > 1792509974 214880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199481&oldid=199478 5* 03A random guy 5* (+563) 10Fixed a errot < 1792509984 456048 :de67!~de67@user/de67 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a errot > 1792510125 755101 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199482&oldid=193814 5* 03Miui 5* (+1641) 10add advanced draft > 1792510226 41152 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199483&oldid=199482 5* 03Miui 5* (+2) 10/* More developed draft */ include label of signum function in draft > 1792510373 373472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199484&oldid=199483 5* 03Miui 5* (+0) 10/* More developed draft */ fix nomea square > 1792510447 521538 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File:Gtleq.png14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199485&oldid=199479 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+6) 10 > 1792511008 173595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199486&oldid=199480 5* 03A random guy 5* (+120) 10Added a way to get user input. > 1792511094 784365 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Enny/ENNCPU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199487&oldid=188021 5* 03Enny 5* (+479) 10/* Example code: Fibonacci generator */ > 1792511107 913339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Enny/ENNCPU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199488&oldid=199487 5* 03Enny 5* (+3) 10/* Design */ > 1792511146 475894 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Enny/ENNCPU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199489&oldid=199488 5* 03Enny 5* (+159) 10 > 1792511477 156478 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Miui/Drafts/Nomea14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199490&oldid=199484 5* 03Miui 5* (+302) 10/* instruction-set architecture */ include execution draft and computational class > 1792511746 867256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:SB112butiforgotmypassword14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199491 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+303) 10Created page with "you had an account on here? ~~~~" < 1792512325 708775 :de67!~de67@user/de67 QUIT :Quit: de67 > 1792512771 926727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199492&oldid=199406 5* 03SB112butiforgotmypassword 5* (+153) 10 > 1792512837 532065 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:SB112butiforgotmypassword14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199493&oldid=199491 5* 03SB112butiforgotmypassword 5* (+287) 10 < 1792513664 820010 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1792513970 126459 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792514165 87596 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1792514440 281363 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199494&oldid=198750 5* 03Rainwave 5* (+536) 10acknowledging similarity > 1792514764 998380 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199495&oldid=199486 5* 03A random guy 5* (+974) 10Added a One Time Cat. < 1792514880 483648 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user > 1792515301 933464 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07One Time Cat14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199496&oldid=197684 5* 03A random guy 5* (+563) 10 > 1792515438 726145 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199497&oldid=199481 5* 03A random guy 5* (+121) 10 > 1792515682 200259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Thlot 5* 10New user account > 1792515900 567305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199498&oldid=199492 5* 03Thlot 5* (+275) 10 > 1792515955 352882 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Thlot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199499 5* 03Thlot 5* (+101) 10Created page with "Working on two esolangs at the moment. Kind of new to this but also old to this? I came back recently" > 1792516050 233968 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199500&oldid=199498 5* 03Thlot 5* (-14) 10 < 1792516060 896097 :Everything!~Everythin@212.90.60.10 QUIT :Quit: leaving > 1792516521 230584 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199501&oldid=199495 5* 03A random guy 5* (+829) 10Added a Cat Program. > 1792516633 710989 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cat program14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199502&oldid=198982 5* 03A random guy 5* (+834) 10Added Vegetable Juice into the list of Cat Programs. > 1792516937 170499 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:A random guy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199503&oldid=199404 5* 03A random guy 5* (+110) 10 > 1792516983 613511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199504&oldid=199501 5* 03A random guy 5* (+34) 10 > 1792517116 460974 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199505&oldid=199494 5* 03PkmnQ 5* (+1155) 10/* Decidability */ < 1792517159 669947 :PkmnQ!~PkmnQ@user/PkmnQ QUIT :Quit: Leaving > 1792517266 121549 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199506&oldid=199504 5* 03A random guy 5* (-17) 10 > 1792517308 375600 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199507 5* 03Thlot 5* (+2018) 10Created page with "'''pH''' (also known as '''BYOS''') is an [[esoteric programming language]] created by [[User:Thlot]] in 2026. Its code is made up of two parts: a function defining section and a numbered list of actual code to run. Notably, it was not created to be hard to use, and has many i > 1792517433 491856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Raiseafloppafan774114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199508&oldid=199415 5* 03A random guy 5* (+253) 10/* Can someone do the categories for Vegetable Juice please. */ new section < 1792517434 193141 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1792517822 351253 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 QUIT :Quit: what just happened > 1792518023 637853 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199509 5* 03Maglang 5* (+108) 10Created page with "Indirect Regular Gobbledegook (commonly known as .irg) is a minimal programming language created by Maglang." > 1792518029 10949 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vegetable Juice14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199510&oldid=199506 5* 03A random guy 5* (+0) 10 > 1792518055 5713 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (T-Z)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199511&oldid=199497 5* 03A random guy 5* (+0) 10 > 1792518158 353849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199512&oldid=199389 5* 03Maglang 5* (+36) 10/* I */ > 1792518513 90190 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07.irg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199513 5* 03Maglang 5* (+42) 10Created page with "#REDIRECT Indirect Regular Gobbledegook" > 1792518869 950016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07.irg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199514&oldid=199513 5* 03Ais523 5* (+1) 10fix redirect syntax < 1792519160 242709 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine > 1792519214 650450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Rainwave/Drafts/Active Replay14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199515&oldid=199505 5* 03Rainwave 5* (+505) 10reply < 1792519577 176357 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines > 1792519643 620368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199516&oldid=199507 5* 03Thlot 5* (+1591) 10 > 1792519686 191891 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199517&oldid=199516 5* 03Thlot 5* (+42) 10 > 1792519869 660352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199518&oldid=199517 5* 03Thlot 5* (+39) 10 > 1792519878 58593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199519&oldid=199518 5* 03Thlot 5* (-12) 10 < 1792519878 421594 :errilaz!sid228252@id-228252.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1792519878 488268 :tetsuo-cpp!sid672509@id-672509.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1792520089 522872 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199520&oldid=199519 5* 03Thlot 5* (+1) 10 > 1792520442 780256 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Thlot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199521&oldid=199499 5* 03Thlot 5* (+8) 10 > 1792520750 874622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199522&oldid=199520 5* 03Thlot 5* (+24) 10 > 1792520875 912826 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PH14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199523&oldid=199522 5* 03Thlot 5* (-24) 10removed > 1792520915 693188 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199524&oldid=199509 5* 03Maglang 5* (+4004) 10 < 1792520919 72417 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] thlot < 1792520927 743154 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :; < 1792520958 806612 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi > 1792521039 970867 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Thlot14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199525 5* 03Thlot 5* (+2) 10Created page with "Hi" < 1792521396 840606 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did? < 1792521398 200964 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ok < 1792521400 98995 :thlot!~thlot@host10.stjafib.cust.sover.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1792521627 87487 :errilaz!sid228252@id-228252.hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs errilaz :ek errilaz < 1792521682 330816 :tetsuo-cpp!sid672509@id-672509.hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs tetsuo-cpp :tetsuo-cpp < 1792521956 85429 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1792522067 529298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:A random guy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199526&oldid=199503 5* 03A random guy 5* (-9) 10 < 1792522378 59443 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1792522712 946602 :lynndotpy6093627!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 QUIT :Quit: bye bye < 1792522713 65257 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines < 1792522772 290875 :lynndotpy6093627!~rootcanal@134.122.123.70 JOIN #esolangs lynndotpy :lynn > 1792523696 397130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199527 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+1593) 10GEOMETRY DASH! doo, doo doo do dooo. tch tch tch tch tch tch tch tch (in the tune of Dash) > 1792524283 865000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199528&oldid=199524 5* 03Maglang 5* (+74) 10 > 1792524449 17707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199529&oldid=199527 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+35) 10 > 1792524501 827300 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Geometry Dash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199530&oldid=192636 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+113) 10 > 1792524645 865926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199531&oldid=199528 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+25) 10likely slop? > 1792524717 603964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199532&oldid=199531 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+48) 10 > 1792524896 785286 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Fucking14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199533&oldid=199410 5* 03A random guy 5* (+4) 10 > 1792525111 128855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199534&oldid=199532 5* 03Maglang 5* (+368) 10 < 1792525215 77053 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 > 1792525253 949177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199535&oldid=199529 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+193) 10 > 1792525290 127543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GozzieGoober14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199536&oldid=198994 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+3) 10 > 1792525532 266717 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199537&oldid=199535 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (-1) 10 < 1792525643 527924 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does any file system have a separate monotonic inode number from the ordinary inode number? > 1792525921 378588 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199538&oldid=199537 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (-33) 10 < 1792525937 801040 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know the answer to your question regardless of this clarification, but out of interest, what subset of inode numbers are you expecting to be monotonic? all the inode numbers ever allocated on the filesystem? > 1792526004 868665 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199539&oldid=199538 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+35) 10 < 1792526043 119384 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :All of them ever allocated; I meant there may be a separate field for the monotonic inode number, which is not necessarily unique but will be increased from the previous number when creating new files if the ordinary inode number is ever reused for any file (not necessarily only that one). > 1792526395 413458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199540&oldid=199539 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+389) 10 < 1792526461 244190 :amby!~ambylastn@46.162.147.147.dyn.plus.net JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1792526570 194909 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1792526609 453689 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it really makes sense to have two numbers there, you may as well just use one big number that never gets reused < 1792526616 413089 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it comes to the same thing but is more useful < 1792526643 762419 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oddly I have designed a system that works like this, but it was a database rather than a filesystem > 1792526674 99750 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199541&oldid=199540 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+100) 10/* Simple Looping Program */ < 1792526692 594624 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, unless the structures and system functions do not support a big enough number, or if the number is used to find it in the disk in a way such that they cannot be too big > 1792526801 63231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199542&oldid=199541 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+65) 10/* Simple Looping Program */ < 1792526956 149541 :X-Scale!~ARM@31.71.166.178.rev.vodafone.pt JOIN #esolangs X-Scale :ARM - Advanced RISC Machines < 1792526967 440560 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, in POSIX the type of an inode is "ino_t" which seems inode-specific, so OSes could choose for it to be anything, 64 bits is likely enough > 1792527015 587177 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199543&oldid=199534 5* 03Maglang 5* (+410) 10 > 1792527083 452201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199544&oldid=199542 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+117) 10/* Simple Looping Program */ < 1792527136 410614 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux appears to define it as uint64_t on 64-bit systems and unsigned long on 32-bit systems > 1792527136 743260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199545&oldid=199543 5* 03Maglang 5* (-359) 10 < 1792527149 310006 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which is an interesting distinction, given that on 64-bit linux, unsigned long is 64 bits wide anyway) < 1792527181 780481 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe this is futureproofing for systems where unsigned long is 128 bits wide > 1792527251 105626 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199546&oldid=199545 5* 03Maglang 5* (+5) 10 > 1792527277 218128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199547&oldid=199544 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+267) 10 < 1792527296 36258 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, is there a way on Linux, when mounting a DOS file system, to disable long file names (and then any files written (or renamed) will be refused if the name is not valid)? > 1792527314 286855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199548&oldid=199547 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (-5) 10 > 1792527417 51336 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Maglang 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Irglogo.png10]]" > 1792527449 60459 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199550&oldid=199548 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+45) 10 > 1792527540 411069 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199551&oldid=199550 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+42) 10 < 1792527661 620672 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: apparently not, Linux's implementations of DOS filesystems doeunderstand the long name / short name mapping but they always prefers to work with long names < 1792527714 288776 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there is an option to control under which circumstances the short name is the same as the long name, allowing you to create files with a specific short name, but it won't reject filenames that aren't valid short names (rather it will create an appropriate short name on its own) > 1792527848 994523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199552&oldid=199546 5* 03Maglang 5* (+60) 10 > 1792527867 884956 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199553&oldid=199551 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+423) 10 < 1792528141 892865 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thinking more about our idea of 'subsymbolic' learning arising from symbolic learning < 1792528150 353483 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isnt that kind of what dna is? < 1792528177 330552 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :g, a, t, and c are all just symbols at the end of the day > 1792528177 588912 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Maglang 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:.irg logo.png10]]" > 1792528209 270999 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199555&oldid=199552 5* 03Maglang 5* (+0) 10 < 1792528232 669426 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the weird part is that slight variations in a sequence of dna (typically) only vary the organism slightly too < 1792528251 918976 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe its cuz most genetic code is bloat :P < 1792528320 322496 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it should be interesting to explore, since it does kind of imply that dna has a sense of 'semantic' coding > 1792528323 639426 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199556&oldid=199553 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (-8) 10/* Looping Course */ < 1792528343 953937 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :where slight changes represent slight changes in 'intent' > 1792528372 124181 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199557&oldid=199555 5* 03Maglang 5* (+9) 10 > 1792528405 681778 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GeometryDash14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199558&oldid=199556 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+147) 10 > 1792528506 235572 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199559&oldid=199512 5* 03GozzieGoober 5* (+19) 10 < 1792528775 939211 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION wonders if there's any languages which could compile to a neural network
< 1792528848 27982 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :My computer does not seem to be able to mount exFAT disks, but 7-Zip can read them. I had considered formatting a USB file system device as FAT32 to store backups, and then later copy them to DVD. (I don't need long file names, since the original file names are neither CP437 nor Unicode and will be stored inside of other files instead.) < 1792528904 861988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I think the interesting level of abstraction to look at is proteins, rather than individual codons < 1792528954 100340 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :slight changes to DNA still usually lead to a functioning organism because that just creates a slight change to the protein it codes for (and if a protein is really important it can be coded for multiple times to ensure it gets produced) < 1792528975 962237 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the interesting part is how the proteins work together to make the cells work < 1792529004 777538 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I will want something that might work even if the power fails in the middle of the backup, to be resumed later, and that can store the appropriate metadata that can be restored later, as well as handling sparse files correctly. And, sometimes some files might be changed before continuing the backup. Specifying priority for files would also be helpful. < 1792529008 421295 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is such a thing possible? < 1792529161 667546 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: could it be future-proofing to systems where uint64_t is unsigned int instead? < 1792529170 891395 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: true < 1792529185 322653 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think I suggested above that it could be future-proofing against 128-bit unsigned long < 1792529207 869417 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(CHERI has 128-bit pointers and longs are normally pointer-sized on Linux, so it is not a totally implausible scenario) < 1792529250 359598 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it's clearly possible but might require writing new software, I don't think the standard tools take this scenario into account > 1792529267 9639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199560&oldid=199557 5* 03Maglang 5* (+0) 10 < 1792529347 523058 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm something we just realized < 1792529355 636881 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(If the backup program includes its own source code which is copied to the backup disk, this is also helpful so that you can restore the backup.) < 1792529363 973409 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :another interesting thought we had earlier was coming from a language based around chemistry < 1792529382 842096 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it made us think about if a language could be made where the order of the commands don't matter, but rather just the quantity of them < 1792529395 356875 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so HOH would be the same thing as H2O < 1792529424 439025 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Making the backup files to use DOS file names and not use the other features of the file system other than directory structure, also seem would be helpful, and also allowing it to be split into many files; this will also ensure it can work with many kind of target file systems, since the data for the origin file system can be stored within the files instead. < 1792529425 273676 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we realize that protiens are probably this > 1792529521 939157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199561&oldid=199560 5* 03Maglang 5* (+1) 10 < 1792529672 547282 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I can satisfy the dos filenames part by backing up files into a few hundred tarballs, though I don't do it for *DOS* filenames specifically, but because when I started this scheme I used to write those tarballs onto CDs with ISO-9660 file system which has similar limitations on file names. there are extensions to the file system, but it's easy enough to not depend on them. < 1792529805 781684 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did say I wanted to record the backups on CDs or DVDs but to first record them on something else and then copy them to CD/DVD afterward. I know of the similar limit, which is one reason why DOS file names is helpful; if you could also mount FAT32 with only DOS file names then it avoids needing to store long file names which will never be used. > 1792529838 398832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File talk:.irg logo.png14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199562 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+317) 10Created page with "almost identical to [[:File:Irglogo.png]] ~~~~" > 1792529847 728517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07File talk:Irglogo.png14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199563 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+319) 10Created page with "almost identical to [[:File:.irg logo.png]] ~~~~" < 1792529874 893834 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't satisfy your requirement that I can back up from a running machine. For the actual backup, I shut down the computer to single user mode where no significant modifications will be made to the file system other than writing the backups. (There will be some other modifications, but they can be ignored, it doesn't matter if they get into the backup or not.) < 1792529961 35154 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is only for the actual backup phase, I do some preparations with the system running as normal, and then copy from the internal hard disk to the external backup hard disk (formerly DVDs) with the system running normally. < 1792529993 853937 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suppose other way is to run a different operating system and then mount the file system that needs to be backed up in read-only mode; however, I might not want to make the entire backup at once (for various reasons, including needing to use the computer when the backup is not completed yet). > 1792530142 422076 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199564&oldid=185131 5* 03Acidbytes.h 5* (-7) 10 > 1792530482 798103 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199565&oldid=199564 5* 03Acidbytes.h 5* (+0) 10 < 1792530607 112666 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her) > 1792530805 518964 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199566&oldid=199565 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+7) 10there is no 1972 category < 1792531205 260686 :lisbeths!uid135845@id-135845.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs lisbeths :lisbeths > 1792531349 539311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Hotcrystal0/Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199567&oldid=199462 5* 03Hotcrystal0 5* (+224) 10 > 1792532428 711077 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199568&oldid=199561 5* 03Maglang 5* (+179) 10 < 1792532468 905839 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, I think I've done at least one backup from running another system. it doesn't make that much difference if I'm not running normal mode anyway. < 1792532514 185802 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, I understand why you want to be able to make backups from a live system, but that's complicated and I don't want to wrestle with it for my home desktop. > 1792532740 344051 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Truttle114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199569&oldid=184944 5* 03Maglang 5* (+266) 10/* Suggestion */ new section > 1792533067 995601 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Maglang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199570 5* 03Maglang 5* (+77) 10Created page with "Hi! I'm Maglang. my languages: * [[.irg]] / [[Indirect Regular Gobbledegook]]" < 1792533168 84884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1792533287 39619 :mosdfisdnfdisnf!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-a463-bc08-a022-3db4.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs * :Melvin Sommer < 1792533468 189345 :Mrsommer!~mrsommer@2a02-a452-6df7-0-40d-2a55-eebf-79b6.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 262 seconds > 1792534351 504939 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199571&oldid=198789 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+127) 10Link to new subpage < 1792534556 775165 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1792534705 245547 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199572&oldid=199568 5* 03Maglang 5* (+95) 10 > 1792534771 920681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199573&oldid=199572 5* 03Maglang 5* (+0) 10 > 1792535140 943179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199574&oldid=199573 5* 03Maglang 5* (+1) 10 > 1792536044 967816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199575&oldid=199417 5* 03Squidmanescape 5* (+227) 10/* Second Version */ > 1792536251 96468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Indirect Regular Gobbledegook14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199576&oldid=199574 5* 03Maglang 5* (+31) 10 < 1792536353 288261 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1792536496 331832 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1792536569 151199 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1792536622 838214 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 > 1792537294 144511 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Maglang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199577&oldid=199570 5* 03Maglang 5* (+644) 10 < 1792537585 566529 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine > 1792537615 979325 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Church numerals14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199578 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+15172) 10Various brute-forced Church numerals' expressions in KS and IKS bases < 1792537723 203219 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-46-238.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1792538095 689589 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Church numerals14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199579&oldid=199578 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+155) 10Few constants for IJ basis. I know a lot more, but the others are not brute-forced and thus may be sub-optimal > 1792538359 164439 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Church numerals14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199580&oldid=199579 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+73) 10Intro > 1792538873 651771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Blashyrkh/Church numerals14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199581&oldid=199580 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+12) 10and Hot > 1792540025 154775 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199582&oldid=199387 5* 03NameGoesThere 5* (+140) 10/* Anonymization */ < 1792540734 66031 :AnovaCometFloppa!~raiseaflo@user/raiseafloppafan7 JOIN #esolangs raiseafloppafan7 :(Mini) Comet If It Was Worse