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< 1792714251 46438 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the way [[Demagogy]] is written actually freaks us out a bit
< 1792714275 144544 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesnt make sense, but like
< 1792714321 445844 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not in the way ai output or someone deliberately writing nonsense as an artlang would
< 1792714373 546061 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it reminds us of the speech patterns of people with psychosis
< 1792714410 405837 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like it has us worried for miui
> 1792714917 219113 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doki!14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199882&oldid=199878 5* 03A random guy 5* (+238) 10Made Monika be able to do MOAR things.
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< 1792731929 628354 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :without spoiling the puzzle, I have an idea of a puzzle game that makes you assume a set of intuitive rules, and this is held for a good while. but then later down the line, the game gives you a puzzle that forces you to reconsider the rules you assume and realize that every puzzle prior has had better solutions you couldn't access with your assumed rules
< 1792732006 264119 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there would actually be two separate instances of "well you could've done this the whole time lmao" that I want to do, and I think the latter revelation would allow vastly different solutions, though I worry that a player may accidentally stumble onto either rule? or that the revelation wouldn't be apparent?
> 1792732045 320635 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Recall14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=199901 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+184) 10/* Function call */ new section
< 1792732130 383497 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually, a different puzzle game I want to make also has this sort of idea, just without the recontextualizing earlier puzzles part, which would probably make it easier to prevent
> 1792732535 692062 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199902&oldid=199900 5* 03Dragoneater67 5* (+0) 10
< 1792732728 862528 :de67!~de67@185.223.190.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi aadenboy
< 1792732733 623339 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey
< 1792732987 133453 :de67!~de67@185.223.190.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<100 edits till 200k edit milestone!!!
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< 1792739272 498600 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: the worry that someone would stumble onto it beforehand is kind of a moot point
< 1792739289 207784 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the revelation is fair, (some) skilled puzzle players should be able to catch onto it
< 1792739315 161049 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the same way skilled mystery readers would be able to catch onto the solution to the mystery before its revealed
< 1792739336 276465 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the worry of the revelation being apparent would just come down to good game design
< 1792739361 936343 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if its well designed, it should be very surprising yet somewhat natural
< 1792739377 213019 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just like a good puzzle should feel
> 1792739394 647066 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07B+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199903&oldid=199592 5* 03Cordership 5* (-5) 10/* Arrays */
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< 1792740216 89719 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I mean this in more of an accidental discovery way, as in a misinput would cause the revelation earlier than intended, but that is also on my mind. the actual puzzle game itself is extremely simple and comparable to pen-and-paper puzzles (of which is where the idea comes from anyways) so I imagine figuring it out early would either be intuitive or too outlandish
< 1792740230 403177 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.105.48 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/puzzle game/puzzle
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> 1792741207 67258 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Jan Pilavik14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199905&oldid=190739 5* 03Namotanu 5* (+240) 10
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< 1792741285 70553 :aadenboy|2!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 JOIN #esolangs * :1it's pronounced ey-den-boi
< 1792741292 71119 :aadenboy|2!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :?
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< 1792741741 865556 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight
< 1792741742 795732 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :aadenboy: how would you misinput on a pen and paper puzzle
< 1792741744 850033 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gn
< 1792741747 370453 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :er
< 1792741772 507667 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :MarkFan8901: I said "comparable"—the game is a video game with an input method
< 1792741779 665218 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/the game/the puzzle
< 1792741794 778754 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah okay
< 1792741813 889912 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps just have a draw -> sumbit style of input?
< 1792741892 906056 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think keyboard-based would better intuit the rules I want them to assume, since it is grid-based
< 1792741915 190256 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yea they have to type ed-like syntax to modify the grid /j
< 1792741921 405943 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol
< 1792741944 22776 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe something like what The Witness does could work if not that
< 1792741951 61356 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perchance
< 1792741962 951789 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though we think making this not a video game would solve this problem
< 1792741976 5489 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm, true
< 1792742032 925258 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lmao I could add in meta that way...
< 1792742046 352139 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :true...
< 1792742066 522310 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh also making it actually a pen and paper game would massively cut down the budget
< 1792742094 285530 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it would've been what some might call "programmer art" anyways
< 1792742187 728470 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this made us think of if you could somehow make a medium which is more advanced than pen and paper yet isnt digital
< 1792742199 161455 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like some mechanical system you could 'program' in
< 1792742247 54905 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Spintronics...?
< 1792742253 745689 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://upperstory.com/en/spintronics/
< 1792742316 325819 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :good thinking
< 1792742325 439772 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though we were thinking of something the player could set up themselves
< 1792742328 968997 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :with not much effort
< 1792742339 198800 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps some weird origami stuff
> 1792742382 461770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Recall14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199907&oldid=199901 5* 03I am islptng 5* (+100) 10
< 1792742402 533746 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :honestly thatd probably be bloat for the kind of game you're making
< 1792742416 881993 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but its still smth cool to think about
< 1792742420 247007 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps for a different game
< 1792742603 572683 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that idea (sort of setting up the puzzle) is making me think of a puzzle game which uses that, but that knowledge would spoil the surprise ;)
< 1792742656 465681 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I seem to have a lot of inspiration from troll pen-and-paper puzzles recently
< 1792742674 36035 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, I will sleep now. let it marinate in my mind! paper puzzle seems like a good choice
< 1792742679 45561 :aadenboy!~kvirc@172.56.106.36 PRIVMSG #esolangs :goodnight
< 1792742695 789709 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ye
< 1792742696 207926 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gn
< 1792742715 981205 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for when you wake up, what troll pen-and-paper puzzles ru referring to exactly
< 1792742717 494396 :MarkFan8901!~MarkFan89@71.63.252.166 PRIVMSG #esolangs :we are interested
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< 1792743407 259369 :b_jonas!~x@catv-80-98-84-202.catv.fixed.one.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there a sport where you have to throw a ball or dart to hit a target but you're wearing a cast on your throwing arm that constrains your elbow to completely bent, sort of like boxing but it's your arm rather than hand that's bound?
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> 1792745711 905577 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Demagogy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=199910&oldid=199881 5* 03Blashyrkh 5* (+191) 10/* needs elaboration */
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