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00:10:51 <MarkFan8901> the way [[Demagogy]] is written actually freaks us out a bit
00:11:15 <MarkFan8901> it doesnt make sense, but like
00:12:01 <MarkFan8901> not in the way ai output or someone deliberately writing nonsense as an artlang would
00:12:53 <MarkFan8901> it reminds us of the speech patterns of people with psychosis
00:13:30 <MarkFan8901> like it has us worried for miui
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05:05:29 <aadenboy> without spoiling the puzzle, I have an idea of a puzzle game that makes you assume a set of intuitive rules, and this is held for a good while. but then later down the line, the game gives you a puzzle that forces you to reconsider the rules you assume and realize that every puzzle prior has had better solutions you couldn't access with your assumed rules
05:06:46 <aadenboy> there would actually be two separate instances of "well you could've done this the whole time lmao" that I want to do, and I think the latter revelation would allow vastly different solutions, though I worry that a player may accidentally stumble onto either rule? or that the revelation wouldn't be apparent?
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05:08:50 <aadenboy> actually, a different puzzle game I want to make also has this sort of idea, just without the recontextualizing earlier puzzles part, which would probably make it easier to prevent
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05:18:48 <de67> hi aadenboy
05:18:53 <aadenboy> hey
05:23:07 <de67> <100 edits till 200k edit milestone!!!
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07:07:52 <MarkFan8901> aadenboy: the worry that someone would stumble onto it beforehand is kind of a moot point
07:08:09 <MarkFan8901> if the revelation is fair, (some) skilled puzzle players should be able to catch onto it
07:08:35 <MarkFan8901> in the same way skilled mystery readers would be able to catch onto the solution to the mystery before its revealed
07:08:56 <MarkFan8901> the worry of the revelation being apparent would just come down to good game design
07:09:21 <MarkFan8901> if its well designed, it should be very surprising yet somewhat natural
07:09:37 <MarkFan8901> just like a good puzzle should feel
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07:23:36 <aadenboy> MarkFan8901: I mean this in more of an accidental discovery way, as in a misinput would cause the revelation earlier than intended, but that is also on my mind. the actual puzzle game itself is extremely simple and comparable to pen-and-paper puzzles (of which is where the idea comes from anyways) so I imagine figuring it out early would either be intuitive or too outlandish
07:23:50 <aadenboy> s/puzzle game/puzzle
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07:41:32 <aadenboy|2> ?
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07:49:01 <aadenboy> goodnight
07:49:02 <MarkFan8901> aadenboy: how would you misinput on a pen and paper puzzle
07:49:04 <MarkFan8901> gn
07:49:07 <aadenboy> er
07:49:32 <aadenboy> MarkFan8901: I said "comparable"—the game is a video game with an input method
07:49:39 <aadenboy> s/the game/the puzzle
07:49:54 <MarkFan8901> ah okay
07:50:13 <MarkFan8901> perhaps just have a draw -> sumbit style of input?
07:51:32 <aadenboy> I think keyboard-based would better intuit the rules I want them to assume, since it is grid-based
07:51:55 <MarkFan8901> yea they have to type ed-like syntax to modify the grid /j
07:52:01 <aadenboy> lol
07:52:24 <aadenboy> maybe something like what The Witness does could work if not that
07:52:31 <MarkFan8901> perchance
07:52:42 <MarkFan8901> though we think making this not a video game would solve this problem
07:52:56 <aadenboy> hm, true
07:53:52 <aadenboy> lmao I could add in meta that way...
07:54:06 <MarkFan8901> true...
07:54:26 <MarkFan8901> oh also making it actually a pen and paper game would massively cut down the budget
07:54:54 <aadenboy> well it would've been what some might call "programmer art" anyways
07:56:27 <MarkFan8901> this made us think of if you could somehow make a medium which is more advanced than pen and paper yet isnt digital
07:56:39 <MarkFan8901> like some mechanical system you could 'program' in
07:57:27 <aadenboy> Spintronics...?
07:57:33 <aadenboy> https://upperstory.com/en/spintronics/
07:58:36 <MarkFan8901> good thinking
07:58:45 <MarkFan8901> though we were thinking of something the player could set up themselves
07:58:48 <MarkFan8901> with not much effort
07:58:59 <MarkFan8901> perhaps some weird origami stuff
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08:00:02 <MarkFan8901> honestly thatd probably be bloat for the kind of game you're making
08:00:16 <MarkFan8901> but its still smth cool to think about
08:00:20 <MarkFan8901> perhaps for a different game
08:03:23 <aadenboy> that idea (sort of setting up the puzzle) is making me think of a puzzle game which uses that, but that knowledge would spoil the surprise ;)
08:04:16 <aadenboy> I seem to have a lot of inspiration from troll pen-and-paper puzzles recently
08:04:34 <aadenboy> well, I will sleep now. let it marinate in my mind! paper puzzle seems like a good choice
08:04:39 <aadenboy> goodnight
08:04:55 <MarkFan8901> ye
08:04:56 <MarkFan8901> gn
08:05:15 <MarkFan8901> for when you wake up, what troll pen-and-paper puzzles ru referring to exactly
08:05:17 <MarkFan8901> we are interested
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08:16:47 <b_jonas> is there a sport where you have to throw a ball or dart to hit a target but you're wearing a cast on your throwing arm that constrains your elbow to completely bent, sort of like boxing but it's your arm rather than hand that's bound?
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