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08:19:35 <WildHalcyon> Hmm, that makes it close to around 10 am then, right?
08:20:59 <WildHalcyon> So do you work with esoteric languages much deltab?
08:21:22 <deltab> work, no; play, sometimes :-)
08:22:49 <WildHalcyon> Well, I guess its hard to "work" with esoteric languages
08:23:15 <WildHalcyon> Im not entirely sure how many people have put down the ability to work with bf on their resume, but I imagine its probably less than 10
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17:02:08 <calamari_> I think I was wrong.. I can't get away with just .. if I did that, I'd have to make regular variables return their address, which would mean to do a regular variable you'd have y=x+1 .. pretty lame.
17:03:22 <mtve> your assembler is very good. it's now possible to write tcpip in bf.
17:03:57 <mtve> i wasn't joking :)
17:04:39 <mtve> there was small tcpip stack in php and it shouldn't be more than 64k of bf-asm code i think.
17:05:03 <mtve> actually someone could just rewrite that code in bf-asm
17:05:33 <calamari_> I don't know much about the details of tcp/ip
17:05:40 <mtve> http://www.sics.se/~adam/phpstack/
17:06:17 <fizzie> tcp/ip is simple if you don't want to get complex about it.
17:10:15 <calamari_> one thing bfasm is still missing is bit manipulation
17:10:52 <fizzie> there's all kinds of stuff like explicit congestion notification (RFC2884), syncookies, window scaling (RFC1323), Nagle's algorithm and loads of others if you want a funky tcp/ip stack.
17:11:11 <calamari_> I need a routine that only requires constant memory regardless of the size of the cells
17:12:24 <fizzie> I wonder how long it'll take before we see the first brainf*ck web server that talks something like SLIP into the input/output streams of brainf*ck.
17:18:50 <calamari_> in order to have a web server somehow it will need to access a modem or network card. Can standard i/o be redirected in *nix to allow that?
17:19:25 <calamari_> I see this guy just has it going over a serial cable
17:19:33 <mtve> sure, you can do it without any network at all.
17:20:28 <mtve> i guess it's possible over loopback on any sane unix.
17:21:08 <mtve> nope, i remember there was tap interface. there should be readme or something.
17:21:39 <mtve> tap exists on linux or *bsd, do you have any?
17:24:51 <mtve> you can install *nix on any old 386 machine, work remotely and have a windows as a workstation.
17:26:11 <calamari_> oh yeah.. do you know of any cpu testing programs?
17:26:49 <mtve> cpu testing? your bf-asm compiling itself? :)
17:26:51 <calamari_> I have a system that crashes out when trying to load windows or linux.. works fine in dos
17:27:06 <calamari_> not sure if it's something with protected mode or what
17:27:23 <calamari_> ran a memory testing program and it found no problems
17:27:39 <mtve> does it hang or does it print something before death?
17:28:09 <calamari_> in the windows installer it gave various error messages
17:28:33 <mtve> most probably it
17:28:40 <calamari_> linux would give some kind of error (with the register dump, etc)
17:29:06 <calamari_> pretty weird that dos works, though
17:29:14 <mtve> or totally incompatible. indeed it's unusable.
17:31:50 <mtve> that stuff from Adam Dunkels works just like a charm in *nix and easy to debug. in dos and windows you will need to do something to terminate such a strange networking.
17:38:06 <mtve> maybe in win31 it would be easy with trumpet networking and a null-modem between two com-ports.
17:39:09 <calamari_> hmm, I didn't try installing win3.1.. that's a great idea
17:40:39 <mtve> sorry for distracting you from bf-c :) in win3.1 there was three mode afair, and it's possible to avoid protected mode with some config key.
17:40:58 <fizzie> or a command-line flag.
17:41:06 <fizzie> to disable the "386 Enhanced" mode.
17:41:13 <calamari_> are you sure about 3.1? I remember 3.0 could do it
17:41:56 <fizzie> because I have a feeling I ran 3.1 on a 386sx/16 with only 1M of memory, and the 386-enhanced mode needs at least 2M to work, so it ran on the non-enhanced mode by default.
17:42:03 <fizzie> of course it might've been 3.0 too.
17:42:33 <fizzie> can't run win32s on it in that mode, though.
17:43:22 <fizzie> and I think the backported ie5+ms-ppp/slip-dialer needs win32s. trumpet could work.
17:43:55 <mtve> trumper with netscape 1.0 is more than needed :)
17:43:55 <calamari_> I think I have trumpet around here somewhere on an old isp cd
17:44:20 <fizzie> mine was on an isp floppy, and I'd be surprised if it's not un-broken still.
17:45:38 <mtve> tcpman.exe 119K, netscape.exe 1.2M :)
17:46:10 <fizzie> I'm not sure if I had netscape during my win3.11 times.
17:46:24 <fizzie> there was a version of mosaic on the floppy.
17:47:00 <calamari_> hmm.. I think I discovered the problem
17:47:30 <calamari_> or at least that's the current problem
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18:57:00 <calamari_> wow.. it's still booting.. I don't think knoppix was designed for a 450mhz cpu
18:57:26 <mtve> 450MHz is quite a few
18:58:31 <calamari_> hmm.. actually not 450.. 333 .. remembered that wrong
18:59:05 <fizzie> yay, my email relay thingie works again. now to update some MX records.
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