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00:00:16 <jix> is there any fast compiled language that makes high level things easy?
00:00:34 <jix> atm i'm looking at lisp
00:02:15 <GregorR> Hmm, a fast compile language that makes high-level things easy ....
00:02:18 <GregorR> Define "high level"
00:02:36 <jix> complex data structures like priority queue hashs ...
00:02:48 <GregorR> C++
00:02:52 <jix> c++ makes it possible without reinventing the wheel but not as easy as i'd like it to b
00:02:53 <jix> e
00:05:19 <jix> lisp is really nice...
00:05:50 <GregorR> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! TURN AWAY, BEFORE THE POWER OF LISP ENTANGLES YOU)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
00:06:12 <jix> but lisp is cool...
00:13:50 <kipple> lisp is very cool
00:13:56 <kipple> almost esoteric ;)
00:14:10 <GregorR> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
00:15:10 <jix> parentheses are no problem because the text editor matches them for me
00:15:42 <GregorR> )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) is always a problem.
00:16:01 <jix> no
00:31:24 <calamari> dhcp = :(
00:32:58 <GregorR> lol
00:33:03 <GregorR> How so?
00:36:05 <fizzie> Scheme's nice.
00:37:12 <fizzie> And I only have a ")))))))))))" in the Glass compiler thing, no longer strings of parens.
00:37:43 <jix> i think scheme is nice too but there are better lisp compilers for osx
00:37:44 <calamari> GregorR: I've tried 3 different dhcp packages and still can't get online
00:38:12 <GregorR> Yukk
00:38:46 <calamari> hmm.. idea .. afk
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00:41:26 <marcan> dhcp suxors
00:41:32 <marcan> we should all be using IPv6 by now
00:41:56 <GregorR> Yes
00:42:24 <marcan> I hate the whole dhcp/NAT/etc hacks
00:42:48 <marcan> all it does is make everything more complex and less reliable
00:43:27 <marcan> example: here at college, someone plugged in his router wrong and connected the network ports to the campus network. DHCP conflict and took down the whole building network
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00:49:53 <fizzie> Our campus network uses static IPs (based on physical address), but we still have problems with people more-or-less accidentally setting up dhcp servers giving addresses from or the other private blocks.
00:55:24 <calamari> well, I think I'm actually having a pcmcia problem.. not getting a power light on the card
01:06:19 <calamari> bah.. I have to give up for today.. gotta do homework
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01:12:15 <ihope> Now there
01:12:22 <ihope> 's an EgoBot?
01:12:36 <GregorR> Yup.
01:12:43 <ihope> !help
01:12:46 <EgoBot> No repeats.
01:12:48 <GregorR> And it precluded GlassBot, BFBot and EsoBot.
01:12:56 <GregorR> Hm,m I need to fix the repeat detection XD
01:12:57 <GregorR> !blah
01:13:01 <GregorR> !help
01:13:02 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls
01:13:05 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01
01:14:32 <ihope> F!99 9[1-$][\$@$@$@$@\/*=[1-$$[%\1-$@]?0=[\$.' ,\]?]?]#
01:14:33 <falsebot> 97 89 83 79 73 71 67 61 59 53 47 43 41 37 31 29 23 19 17 13 11 7 5 3 2
01:14:38 <ihope> Cool
01:14:51 <GregorR> And so you go for the one language that /isn't/ in EgoBot :P
01:14:58 <jix> argh is it the first 2:14 or the 2nd 2:14 ?
01:14:59 <ihope> :-)
01:15:22 <GregorR> jix: Trouble with timezones? :P
01:15:40 <jix> no but today is WORD_MISSING
01:16:00 <jix> daylight saving time switching?
01:16:17 <GregorR> Ahhhhh
01:16:23 <ihope> Hmm, the first time through I read that as WORLD_MISSING.
01:19:09 <ihope> F!"Hello, World!
01:19:09 <falsebot> Hello, World!
01:19:11 <ihope> "
01:19:33 <GregorR> !glass {M[m(_o)O!"Glass is better than False!"(_o)o.?]}
01:19:36 <EgoBot> Glass is better than False!
01:20:11 <ihope> !help
01:20:14 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls
01:20:16 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01
01:20:27 <ihope> Is it supposed to do that?
01:20:32 <GregorR> Yes.
01:20:45 <ihope> Oh...
01:22:20 <ihope> So could I just type something like "!bf+[,.]!Hi" and expect it to work, or is there more to it?
01:22:38 <GregorR> !help i
01:22:41 <EgoBot> Use: i <pid> <input> Function: send input to a process
01:22:49 <GregorR> !help ps
01:22:52 <EgoBot> Use: ps Function: display the current processes
01:23:15 <ihope> So "!bf+[,.]"?
01:23:23 <GregorR> Yeah
01:23:30 <GregorR> That'll start a proc, then !i 1 Hi!\n
01:23:35 <ihope> !bf+[,.]
01:23:45 <GregorR> Oh, you do need a space ;)
01:23:56 <ihope> ...What?
01:24:00 <ihope> Oh
01:24:05 <ihope> !bf +[,.]
01:24:12 <GregorR> !ps
01:24:15 <EgoBot> 1 ihope: bf
01:24:17 <EgoBot> 2 GregorR: ps
01:24:27 <GregorR> !i 1 See, it works!\n
01:24:31 <EgoBot> See, it works!
01:24:33 <ihope> !i 1 Hi!\n
01:24:53 <GregorR> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
01:24:58 <GregorR> !ps
01:25:01 <EgoBot> 1 ihope: bf
01:25:02 <EgoBot> 2 GregorR: ps
01:25:07 <ihope> I got a private message thinger...
01:25:13 <GregorR> Oh, heheh
01:25:18 <GregorR> It'll only send one line to the chan ;)
01:25:27 <ihope> :-)
01:25:49 <ihope> Is there a Lazy K-type botter thing?
01:25:54 <ihope> !kill 1
01:25:56 <EgoBot> Process 1 killed.
01:26:02 * GregorR tries to remember whether he put lazy k in EgoBot ...
01:26:04 <GregorR> !help
01:26:06 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls
01:26:08 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo befunge bch bf{8,[16],32,64} glass glypho kipple malbolge pbrain rail sadol sceql udage01
01:26:28 <GregorR> Hmm, thought I did :P
01:26:31 <GregorR> Guess not.
01:26:40 <GregorR> What's a good interpreter, I can add it in a jiffy.
01:26:47 <ihope> Hmm, no Iota, no Jot, no Unlambda ;-)
01:27:09 <GregorR> All can be added with suggestions of good interpreters.
01:27:14 <ihope> Hmm...
01:27:58 <ihope> Seems there's some stuff at http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/
01:28:02 <ihope> :-)
01:28:14 <lament> nobody programs in lazyk though
01:28:32 <ihope> Really?
01:29:00 <GregorR> Oh wait, that's right. I tried to add lazyk, but the interp had issues.
01:29:09 <ihope> What kind of issues?
01:29:26 <GregorR> Well, it wouldn't out its results, for one.
01:29:28 <GregorR> For some reason.
01:29:40 <ihope> Hmm...
01:29:50 <GregorR> !lazyk http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/eg/fib.lazy
01:29:56 <GregorR> !ps
01:29:56 <EgoBot>
01:30:17 <GregorR> !kill 1
01:30:19 <GregorR> !flush
01:30:27 <GregorR> OK, n/m, it works :P
01:30:36 <ihope> Does it?
01:30:43 <GregorR> Yeah, that was PM'ing me.
01:30:58 <lament> !lazyk http://esoteric.sange.fi/essie2/download/lazy-k/eg/fib.lazy
01:31:03 <EgoBot>
01:31:22 <lament> !kill 1
01:31:33 <lament> what does flush do?
01:31:33 <GregorR> Also, that takes up all my CPU :-P
01:31:39 <ihope> :-)
01:31:43 <GregorR> It gets rid of pending output.
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01:31:53 <GregorR> And makes it not do that ;)
01:32:09 <ihope> ...What'd it do?
01:32:25 <GregorR> (Excess Flood)
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01:37:15 <lament> this is why you should kill stuff
01:37:18 <lament> when
01:37:29 <GregorR> Best palindrome ever: revemord nilap tseb.
01:37:30 <lament> a) output exceeds a certain number of characters
01:37:39 <lament> b) output exceeds a certain number of lines
01:37:48 <lament> c) execution time exceeds some limit
01:37:56 <GregorR> d) EgoBot gets dropped for flooding :P
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01:48:14 <ihope> Now, what's !show here do?
01:48:59 <GregorR> If the output doesn't have an EOF, it need's to be !showed to be seen.
01:49:02 <GregorR> Errr
01:49:05 <GregorR> EOL
01:49:19 <ihope> LF?
01:49:26 <GregorR> Yead ;)
01:49:53 <GregorR> Yead even
01:49:57 <GregorR> AHH!
01:50:00 <GregorR> Yeah even
01:50:03 <ihope> :-)
01:50:10 <ihope> !lazyk
01:50:17 <ihope> !i 1 Hello
01:50:17 <ihope> !show 1
01:50:19 <EgoBot>
01:50:26 <jix> g'night
01:50:33 <GregorR> Bye jix.
01:50:46 <ihope> Byebye
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01:51:28 <ihope> !i 1 \n
01:51:45 <ihope> !eof 1
01:51:55 <ihope> There we go.
01:53:18 <ihope> !show 1
01:53:28 <ihope> Meh!
01:54:40 <ihope> !eof 1
01:55:33 <GregorR> See, output problems ;)\
01:55:48 <ihope> Aha.
02:04:11 <ihope> Position mouse over desired location. Invert popper toy and place on mouse. Accuracy of clicks not guaranteed.
02:06:53 <ihope> Bye bye. Don't accidentally break your "delete" key like I just did.
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02:08:19 <encoded> whats esoteric programming?
02:12:15 <lament> good question.
02:12:32 <GregorR> Hmmmm
02:12:33 <lament> It's... Programming intentionally made more interesting than it ought to be.
02:12:47 <lament> encoded: ever heard of Brainfuck?
02:14:34 <encoded> no
02:15:02 <lament> are you a programmer?
02:15:53 <lament> just look at this: http://brainfuck.kicks-ass.net/files/mandelbrot.bf
02:16:02 <lament> that should explain it.
02:18:23 <encoded> yes c++
02:19:15 <encoded> this doesnt explain anything
02:21:01 <lament> it's source code.
02:21:38 <encoded> great..
02:21:40 <encoded> explaint it to
02:21:43 <encoded> me
02:21:57 <lament> oh, just learn brainfuck
02:27:50 <GregorR> lol
02:27:56 <GregorR> See http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck
02:35:21 <encoded> can i get a brainfuck compiler?
02:35:33 <kipple> encoded: here is an attempt to describe esoteric programming: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language
02:35:44 <lament> encoded: google helps
02:35:58 <kipple> short answer: yes
02:36:13 <kipple> this is the coolest brainfuck compiler for linux: http://www.nada.kth.se/~matslina/awib/
02:36:21 <kipple> it is written in brainfuck
02:36:43 <encoded> what about windoze?
02:36:55 <kipple> I'm sure there are some.
02:37:03 <kipple> I just use interpreters
02:39:50 <encoded> hmm.. nobody can or should use this for any real world purpose
02:39:57 <kipple> of course not :)
02:40:13 <kipple> well, you can, but you shouldn't ;)
02:41:18 <GregorR> That's sort of the point ;)
02:41:52 <encoded> yeah... its mostly just a brain fuck
02:42:11 <encoded> brb
02:45:59 <lament> nobody should use C++ for any real world purpose, either :P
02:46:03 <lament> and yet... they do, all the time
02:50:53 <GregorR> Don't mind lament, he has the strange notion that Python is better than C++. Hah!
02:57:29 * encoded is back
02:59:01 <encoded> soo.. why are you ppl here? supporting a language that has no use?
03:02:07 <lament> what do you mean it has no use? it fucks with people's brains
03:03:06 <encoded> hmm.. you need to develop a code that alters your thought just by looking at it, not just anoy you.
03:03:22 <encoded> like subliminal messeges or something
03:03:30 <encoded> thats brainfuck
03:05:16 <lament> brainfuck does that.
03:13:11 <lament> in fact
03:13:30 <lament> before i started using brainfuck, i didn't even suspect about the secret underground catacombs where the government keeps the giant robots
03:13:36 <lament> but now i know all about them
03:14:10 <encoded> right...
03:14:23 <encoded> maybe whats THEY want you to belive
03:14:48 <encoded> THEY are the (not so secret) world goverment
03:14:59 <lament> oh
03:15:07 <lament> i'm in it myself
03:15:23 <lament> but i know it's actually not the real government
03:15:30 <lament> the real government is on spaceships
03:15:38 <lament> and in the catacombs
03:16:03 <encoded> hm... maybe you HAVE been looking at BF for 2 long...
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03:27:46 <GregorR> lol
03:28:04 <lament> this proves that C++ programmers are weird.
03:28:45 * GregorR tries to decide whether to submit that to bash.org :P
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11:25:04 <Keymaker> fun thing i found from google;
11:25:07 <Keymaker> "brainfuck.com: The Leading Programming Language Site on the Net"
11:25:11 <Keymaker> brainfuck.com
11:25:22 <Keymaker> too bad it has nothing brainfuck related in it
11:44:20 <jix> there is just one editor suitable for lisp (that i found).. emacs
11:53:04 <Keymaker> hmmm, the simpsons'll start soon. bbl
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12:34:33 <Keymaker> hmm
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14:01:14 * jix made a esolang map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang
14:02:12 <jix> anyone here?
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14:13:33 <Keymaker> let's see..
14:15:16 <Keymaker> hmm, it's a map
14:15:28 * Keymaker tries to think, brains explode
14:15:37 <jix> you need javascript to view that
14:16:14 <jix> there is a pin pointing at europe (thats me (well the pin is off a few kms))
14:16:31 <jix> you can add yourself to the map
14:16:44 <jix> you can double click a pin and zoom in...
14:16:59 <jix> you can switch to satellite view
14:21:39 <Keymaker> yeah
14:22:34 <jix> feel free to add yourself
14:23:18 <Keymaker> hmmm, probably i can't find the place
14:23:35 <jix> you just have to enter your city name
14:23:42 <Keymaker> i'll try
14:26:15 <Keymaker> hmmm.. i need a shootout
14:28:52 <Keymaker> okay, done
14:31:25 <Keymaker> hopefully the others will add their places there too
14:31:48 <jix> url => topic
14:31:56 <Keymaker> yeah, might be good
14:32:47 <jix> LOL you are in the water
14:32:58 <Keymaker> yeah, it's underwater city ;)
14:33:07 <jix> maybe a few km off in the wrong direction? ;)
14:33:21 <Keymaker> lemme check :)
14:34:28 <Keymaker> yeah, hehe
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14:54:46 <fizzie> Too bad you can't give it an exact location, my home is quite clearly visible in the satellite view.
14:55:49 <Keymaker> do you live in finland?
14:56:26 <fizzie> Er, yes.
14:56:32 <Keymaker> yeah, i thought so :)
15:00:09 <Keymaker> i just wondered because you said your home is quite clearly visible in the satellite view.. and i didn't know you can zoom so close with the satellite view :)
15:01:28 <Keymaker> hey, i didn't know finland is covered in gray if you zoom close enough! that must be something rock..
15:01:29 <fizzie> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=60.190135,24.836279&spn=0.004626,0.013087&t=k&hl=en
15:01:59 <Keymaker> nice
15:02:05 <Keymaker> zooms much better than to tampere
15:03:08 <Keymaker> by the way, can one see these places at night time? with all the lights and so on?
15:04:31 <fizzie> If you have your own satellite to take pictures with, sure. :p
15:04:53 <Keymaker> :D
15:05:05 <fizzie> In London the 'hybrid' view used to have the streets few metres off the satellite view, let's see if they still have that problem...
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15:06:30 <fizzie> Heh, yes. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=london&ll=51.511380,-0.176092&spn=0.005791,0.016002&t=h&hl=en - the roads and such are ~10-20m to the left of their proper locations.
15:07:35 <Keymaker> heh
15:14:51 <Keymaker> woah.. imagine how someone walks through the globe. it's quite long trek..
15:16:14 <Keymaker> anyways, bye.. somebody add the map link to topic! :)
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