00:00:21 <zzo38> Well, the things listed there don't necessarily happen all the time. Like, the part about the water and the "fix you with a hungry stare" don't necessarily apply if it is the result of a transformation.
00:00:28 <ehird> Well that's reassuring!
00:05:45 <zzo38> They is a mixed of cristacean, insect, and serpent. They have claws, and yes there is tentacles in their mouth. But mostly I selected this one there is STR 20, but other things can help too, speed size attack armor class, type "Large Aberration (Aquatic)". You do not have to live only in the water.
00:06:12 <zzo38> I was trying to push over an altar, actually. (I thought something we were looking for was underneath the altar)
00:06:12 <ehird> 17:00:16 <zzo38> Like, you mean just smash everything?
00:06:13 <ehird> 17:00:44 <pikhq> Yes.
00:06:23 <ehird> (some inbetween comments elided for humour)
00:06:32 <zzo38> But, we didn't find that, but we did found three plain silver rings.
00:07:33 <zzo38> One NPC said "We need to find the sword in here to return it to the king, now, where is it hidden?" I say, "Well, obviously it is underneath the altar. We just need to move the altar."
00:08:31 <zzo38> My brother had some good ideas too, his character is a human ninja, and he decided to go to ethereal plane to see where is the door of the castle, to see if it is in the ethereal plane. It is half-way in, I don't know why.
00:08:50 <ais523> you can see into the material plane from the ethereal
00:08:55 <ais523> although not interact with it
00:09:08 <zzo38> O, I know all the rules about the ethereal plane.
00:09:27 <ais523> anyway, castles are generally useless if ethereal ttravel exists
00:09:40 <ehird> How's the food on the ethereal plane?
00:09:44 <zzo38> However, something strange happened, the castle is half way into the ethereal plane and half way into the material plane, which is a bit weird. However, dimension dooring into the castle it is just like normal inside
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00:10:03 <ehird> ais523: The travel better be damn quick or I'll stick to first class.
00:10:05 <ais523> D&D castle-makers rarely take the physics of the world into account...
00:12:05 <zzo38> O, ninja can go to ethereal plane for one round, just by a special ability.
00:17:34 <ehird> ais523: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm
00:18:15 <ais523> ehird: I know that one already
00:18:16 <ehird> ais523: the BBC are trying to punish set top boxes based on Linux by encrypting the programming list for their HD content since it's illegal to encrypt the content...
00:18:20 <ais523> and it's more complicated than the article makes it
00:18:32 <ehird> well if the BBC say they're doing something I'm sure they are :P
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00:32:34 <ehird> 18:44:27 <Sgeo> "Something else you should know is that they are also very honest people whereas you rarely won't get any lies from them because of their honesty."
00:32:34 <ehird> reading the article Dating People With Aspergers, I see
00:34:40 <ais523> it's very hard for someone with Asperger's to understand that a lie might be the best course of action
00:35:32 <ehird> he was commenting on the awkwardness of the grammar; I just googled it to find the source and found it amusing
00:35:58 <ais523> also, that has an incorrect double negative, I think
00:36:06 <ais523> they mean "rarely will" or "mostly won't"
00:36:28 <ehird> although fwiw if asperger's does actually refer to one atomic, well-defined condition and my tentative diagnosis of it by a professional is correct (both of which I doubt) then I find the sentence to be bullshit
00:37:10 <ehird> something like saying they're more principled/ethical and would avoid lying in almost all cases would probably be more accurate
00:37:13 <ais523> diagosing asperger's is hard
00:37:28 <ais523> I mean, I've been diagnosed with it too; most of this channel probably has
00:37:58 <ehird> I haven't been diagnosed with it as something officially delivered to me, just almost-certainly-probably but I'm fairly sure there'll be a medical record somewhere denoting "Aspergers".
00:38:41 <ehird> It seems to me that society was looking for a way to go "there, all the nerds actually do have something wrong with them", found the work of Asperger and warped and muddied its definition sufficiently to work.
00:39:32 <ais523> the number of Asperger's diagnoses has gone up massively recently
00:39:42 <ais523> I think it's an increase in misdiagnoses, rather than an increase in the syndrome
00:39:53 <zzo38> I'm Asperger, too.
00:40:40 <ehird> ais523: for a sufficiently wide definition of recently I agree
00:40:47 <ehird> on the order of decades
00:41:42 <ais523> I think that with some of the definitions that go around, you need Asperger's Syndrome to be any good at programming
00:41:45 <ehird> I haven't read the original work but I doubt it says anything like "anyone intelligent, focused on one subject and socially reclusive has a different brain structure"
00:42:14 <ais523> although one thing I do find interesting is that one of the "symptoms" is being unusually annoyed by high-pitch noises
00:42:27 <ais523> and that would have no obvious correlation to the other commonly-stated traits, yet it's ture of me
00:42:38 <ehird> if anything it follows from being attentive
00:42:43 <ehird> and having good senses
00:43:00 <zzo38> coppro: If you are on, can you do something compiling a program for me?
00:43:05 <ehird> anyway, even more annoying than the professional misdiagnoses are when people self-diagnose it
00:43:25 <ehird> I mean, it's easy enough to get yourself professionally diagnosed with a meaningless label, you don't have to do it yourself...
00:43:26 <ais523> I find I'm normally pretty good at detecting people who other people would diagnose as Asperger's
00:43:41 <ais523> AnMaster and zzo38, for instance, are pretty obvious candidates to have the meaningless label in question applied to them
00:43:59 <zzo38> And how do I write a idea to ImageMagick? I have a few suggestions for their software.
00:44:05 <ehird> ais523: it's probably more obvious in person
00:44:13 <ehird> zzo38: Don't; try telling the GraphicsMagick folk.
00:44:29 <ehird> ImageMagick seems a bit dormant, development-wise. Well, GraphicsMagick appears more community-oriented, anyway.
00:44:33 <ehird> (It's a fork of ImageMagick.)
00:45:09 <zzo38> Does it have all of the new features of ImageMagick?
00:45:58 <ehird> It's actively developed.
00:46:10 <ehird> They probably have different syntax or mechanisms, but it's likely.
00:46:27 <zzo38> O, I read the FAQ, so I can see those things, but not everything.
00:46:48 <ehird> Probably the rest can be emulated with the existing features.
00:47:55 <zzo38> Some ideas I have is, built-in FFT (instead of requiring external), support for loading/saving audio file formats, support more options for raw formats, and support formatted text rendering with masks and bold and stuff like MSE has.
00:48:08 <ehird> Built-in FFT, aka slow FFT.
00:48:34 <ehird> Audio file formats are probably outside of the project's scope, and I'm not sure they'd make a change that effectively requires them to rename... but it would be fun.
00:48:43 <ehird> Text rendering; doesn't it have that?
00:50:02 <zzo38> It has text rendering, but you can't put formatting codes inside of the text. Also it doesn't support some features similar to MSE, such as symbol-font and masking where the text goes, etc.
00:50:21 <zzo38> For audio file, it can just load the left channel into the red channel and right channel into the green channel.
00:50:22 <ehird> zzo38: In-band formatting is maybe not very good.
00:50:33 <ais523> ehird: "slow Fast Fourier Transform" is sort-of an oxymoron
00:50:37 <ais523> but I know what you mean
00:50:44 <ehird> zzo38: -text 'foo' -bold 'bar' is easier to e.g. pass user-input variables to than -text 'foo \bold{bar}'.
00:50:47 <ais523> zzo38: do you know of sox?
00:50:53 <ais523> it's like ImageMagick but for audio files
00:50:57 <ehird> ais523: sox can't do things like sin(x), can it?
00:51:00 <ehird> It's just a converter.
00:51:14 <ais523> ehird: I used it to remove mains hum from my recordings
00:51:20 <ais523> and it has lots of other transform commands like that
00:51:22 <ehird> Was that using a mathematical expression?
00:51:24 <ais523> much like ImageMagick does for images
00:51:37 <ais523> it wasn't using an expression, it was using a generic filter command
00:51:39 <zzo38> I know you can do a lot of audio processing with ImageMagick already, but only with raw files.
00:51:46 <ehird> 15:40:42 <zzo38> imconvert -size 84622x1 -depth 8 r:- -channel R -fx "p{i+20*sin(i/50),j}" r:-
00:52:33 <ais523> ehird: well, adding a sine wave to an image is equivalent to adding a constant tone to a sound
00:52:46 <ehird> But does sox have such a thing?
00:52:52 <ais523> I'm checking the man page now
00:53:14 <zzo38> I'm sure sox has many things, but that isn't completely the point. Some things do work better with ImageMagick, anyways.
00:53:31 <zzo38> The command-line I put was for flangering effects, is one thing
00:54:01 <zzo38> Also, some other effects are also useful on sound file, blur, normalize, brightness, contrast, saturation, etc
00:54:12 <zzo38> Many of the effects in ImageMagick are useful to sound files. But some isn't
00:54:24 <zzo38> FFT is especially useful with sound-file
00:54:28 <ehird> It's a neat abstraction.
00:54:41 <ehird> zzo38: Some Haskell-user types use this as a toy representation of an image:
00:54:47 <ehird> type Image = Float -> Float -> Colour
00:54:58 <ehird> That is, an image is a function taking two floats and returning an RGB colour.
00:55:08 <ehird> Or double instead of float. Whatever.
00:55:12 <ehird> A real of some kind.
00:55:15 <ais523> ah yes, sox has a "synth" feature that lets you add tones to a sound
00:55:15 <ehird> zzo38: the interesting thing is,
00:55:17 <ehird> this is continuous
00:55:26 <ehird> so each pixel has infinite subpixels; 0 and 1 has 0.5, 0.25 etc
00:55:34 <ehird> so an image can have an arbitrary amount of detail
00:55:46 <ehird> to turn it into an actual image file, you sample it at 0,1,2 or 0,0.5,1,1.5
00:55:51 <ais523> and a "flanger" effect that does flanging without you having to work out the maths
00:55:51 <ehird> or whatever depth you want
00:55:59 <ehird> and the image gets bigger in pixel size as you sample more, and more detailed
00:56:03 <ehird> zzo38: the question I ask you is,
00:56:12 <ehird> how can we apply this to audio, using the audio-as-image idea?
00:56:21 <ehird> actually fractal audio sounds fun
00:56:41 <ais523> ehird: you'd do it to the fourier transform of the audio, rather than to the time-domain sound
00:56:46 <zzo38> For audio, just make it one-dimensional instead of two-dimensional, and it can work
00:56:59 <ehird> I think it'd be fun composing for such a thing
00:57:05 <ehird> and exploring music in more detail by slowing it down
00:57:08 <ais523> and it would be exactly the same, using the inputs as duration and frequency and the output as intensity
00:57:25 <ais523> some music programs actually use a similar view for editing music
00:57:30 <ais523> although it's simplified
00:57:44 <ais523> often called "matrix view" or something like that
00:58:01 <ehird> the thing with the function-as-images thing is that it's totally lossless editing on bitmaps
00:58:02 <ais523> but generally they don't draw the overtones to simplify matters, whereas they should
00:58:05 <ehird> i.e., you can do scaling
00:58:11 <ehird> and never have blocked up pixels or lose any information
00:58:29 <ehird> things like that don't map to the real world, but you can use it as an intermediate form and I find it very interesting
01:04:34 <zzo38> ImageMagick does have FFT, but it is not built-in and it requires external program
01:05:31 <ehird> Probably because the external program is better at it.
01:05:34 <ehird> Also, maybe patents?
01:05:42 <zzo38> If audio format would be supported in ImageMagick, you would use the DPI operator for sample rates
01:08:02 <zzo38> FFTW is now licensed by GNU GPL.
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01:20:42 <ehird> zzo38: patent != license
01:20:48 <ehird> also, if they linked with FFTW, they'd have to use the GPL license
01:21:04 <ehird> which is impossible: they would have to get all contributors, ever, to agree to it; plus the GPL sucks
01:26:26 <ehird> zzo38: consider that a good FFT is a whole projectful's work
01:26:28 <ehird> and it's quite understandable
01:26:51 <ehird> if you were using Linux, you could get an FFT program in one command :-P ...well, assuming your distro would include a package manager.
01:27:12 <ais523> on the other hand, bad FFTs are pretty easy to write
01:27:33 <ais523> also, I get annoyed at people using "FFT" when they mean "Fourier transform"; the FFT is just one relatively common algorithm to do that
01:27:58 <ehird> then I'll do it just to annoy you!
01:28:59 <ehird> incidentally, Emacs' GUI menus really need a redesign...
01:29:24 <ehird> they could be quite useful for not-common-enough-to-remember-but-common-enough-that-searching-is-a-pain tasks and also keybinding discovery, but they're worse than useless as-is
01:30:04 <zzo38> I looked at the Magic Set Editor codes for rendering text, can it be made with just C instead of C++, though?
01:30:37 <ehird> are you asking the magic set editor team to recode it or just whether it's possible?
01:30:44 <ehird> if the former, that's unlikely; if the latter, almost certainly
01:31:14 <zzo38> No, just so I can make it in C, in a separate utility. Some of the other codes I can also use, but I want to use it in C instead of C++
01:31:55 <zzo38> Some codes in Magic Set Editor I want to take from there, I can make a program licensed by GNU GPL, and make a command-line program with some similar function, but not all. Because I want to make it differently
01:32:21 <ehird> there's a surprise.
01:40:56 <oerjan> shiver me timbers! it's that day again!
01:41:28 <zzo38> There are many things I just don't like about MSE, but I would like to render the card in a similar way, but with different input formats and different way of many other things, too
01:42:11 <zzo38> I can see how many of these codes worked, I look at many of them right now.
01:52:38 <zzo38> How can I get a library to do rendering with this text and fonts (including formatting), which can be used in a C program?
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01:59:58 <ehird> Hey, Leopard has a built in hidden preference thing to make it use the Tiger resources.
02:00:37 <ehird> Heh, you can even mix-and-match: I have a Tiger-style window with the Leopard-style window buttons.
02:00:44 <ehird> That is, close/minimize/optimize.
02:01:05 <ehird> And the Leopard button/etc widgets, I think.
02:01:11 <ehird> But the pinstripe background and windw border/shadow.
02:01:47 <ehird> And also a Leopard window with the Tiger window buttons, which is just ugly.
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02:05:05 <zzo38> O, if I want to make this render card, maybe I can just use ImageMagick to render the text. But I would need to make up a file to count the size of each characters in the font.
02:05:25 <zzo38> I can just use ImageMagick to render everything.
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02:15:07 <ehird> Apart from the menu this is amusingly working.
02:16:37 <ehird> Also right-click menus.
02:22:26 <ehird> I don't think this is actually working enough to bother keeping, though.
02:30:58 <ehird> I'll put this back.
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02:45:26 <zzo38> I fixed the stroker.gb game, but can you contribute 40 more levels to make 256 in total, to make it complete?
02:45:34 <zzo38> I asked on the other IRC, too.
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03:10:52 <zzo38> Please, can someone add more levels to this game? Which channel(s) is better to ask?
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03:32:40 <ehird> http://ubuntu.ly/images/tutorials/2009/ubuntu-hedgehog2.png
03:32:40 <ehird> http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2009/03/ubuntu904-b1-thumb-640xauto-4004.png
03:32:48 <ehird> or has Ubuntu become uglier over time?
03:33:21 <ehird> One day, oerjan will say something that isn't a pun. :P
03:38:22 <ehird> I've been working on an Internet accountability program for Linux. The idea is to log the websites you visit, then periodically e-mail that log so someone else. It also writes a log entry when it is shutdown.
03:38:22 <ehird> —Ubuntu Christian Edition forum
03:39:08 <ehird> "God tells me not to murder people or bad things will happen, so I don't."
03:39:23 <ehird> "The program tells me not to go to porn sites or bad things will happen, so I don't."
03:44:15 <Sgeo> Why do people avoid sex for religious reasons, if eir parents aren't forcing it on em? I mean, it's absurd to say that God would be angry at all these teens having sex, and if God doesn't care, what's the point?
03:44:37 <ehird> Of course it's absurd to say that, but no more than the rest of the bible.
03:45:01 <ehird> Does the bible say it? If not, does our church say it? If so, then it is so.
03:45:26 <ehird> Note: Bible clause has exemptions, such as things our church says are metaphorical or things we think are metaphorical or just want to ignore right now.
04:13:14 <ehird> ais523: I don't suppose you know if it's possible to boot up the Ubuntu install CD telling it not to play the startup sound?
04:13:37 <ais523> plug in some headphones
04:13:58 <ehird> i'm not sure that'll be quiet enough :P
04:14:09 <ehird> but that's plan b, yes
05:03:16 <ehird> grr, unetbootin isn't available for os x
05:03:31 <ehird> (you can't plug headphones into a CD burner :P)
05:29:38 <ais523> ehird: about the headphones, you could use a headphone plug with nothing attached to it to make sure
05:29:53 <ais523> we actually have one at home, and it does
05:29:55 <ehird> seems like it'd default
05:29:58 <ehird> ais523: yes, on a pc, at least
05:30:11 <ais523> the headphone detection doesn't have anything to do with the OS or the headphones themselves
05:30:19 <ais523> instead, it's done by seeing if the headphone jack closes a circuit
05:30:35 <ais523> there's one more piece of metal inside the headphone socket than is needed for a connection
05:30:48 <ais523> so it's purely mechanical whether sound's directed to the headphones or speakers
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05:31:31 <ehird> anyway, anyone know how to .iso → USB stick if I can't use unetbootin?
05:34:27 <ais523> hmm... /me is spoiled by preemptive multitasking
05:34:36 <ais523> back when I was writing 16-bit Windows programs, it was all cooperative
05:34:45 <ais523> on Windows, at any rate
05:35:10 <ais523> so tight infinite loops crashed the computer until I could break out with control-alt-delete
05:36:19 <ais523> there was a Yield() system call but I never used it
05:36:30 <ais523> it was deprecated when windows 3.1 came out, at any rate
05:36:37 <ais523> instead, it was all about the message loop
05:36:42 <ais523> Thutu-style multitasking
05:48:03 <ehird> ais523: this usb drive has a switch thing that's magnetic; the usb slot retracts if you push it one way
05:48:09 <ehird> how the fuck do I get this thing out?
05:48:29 <ais523> that sounds unnecessarily complex for a USB drive
05:49:08 <ehird> i think the magneticism is keeping it in
05:49:32 <ehird> but i can't switch the opener
05:54:18 <ehird> ais523: even applying as much force as possible just pulling it won't come out
05:54:30 <ehird> ais523: no, just the slider, as I said
05:54:52 <ais523> and the slider is the same component as the usb plug?
05:55:08 <ehird> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=sandisk+cruzer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
05:55:20 <ehird> see the image below "shopping results"? (took out mouse to try and get to the drive)
05:55:32 <ehird> that thing, if you slide the knob to the other end, retracts the plug thing
05:55:36 <ehird> except i can't seem to
05:56:18 <ais523> so the issue is that it won't slide atm
05:56:27 <ais523> what about doing something with it other than sliding, like pushing on it?
05:56:29 <ehird> i don't know if you're meant to take it out that way
05:56:32 <ehird> ais523: it's at the very end
05:58:01 <ehird> the thing itself comes out one bit but then goes back if you leave go
05:58:07 <ehird> i think it works magnetically
06:01:27 <ehird> maybe i should open the imac and extract it :P
06:01:43 <ehird> I wouldn't care if it didn't have a light on the switcher that fades in and out constantly
06:08:17 <ais523> oh, it's stuck in your laptop?
06:08:34 <ehird> ais523: I'm curious as to what lead you to the impression that it's a laptop this is stuck in
06:08:40 <ais523> ehird: it's clearly incorrect
06:08:50 <ehird> i understand it might have been confusing not knowing that :P
06:09:01 <ais523> probably it's because desktops are rather large and clunky things to stick USB sticks into
06:09:03 <ehird> ais523: nothing I said implies that, but yes, correct that it is incorrect
06:09:12 <ehird> but it beats a noisy cd
06:09:27 <ais523> (I was having this discussion with AnMaster a while ago, actually)
06:09:35 <ais523> and the answer is, it depends on what you're trying to do
06:09:47 * ais523 was trying to argue that USB sticks had largely replaced CDs
06:10:01 <coppro> only mostly, not largely
06:10:01 <ehird> ais523: for the savvy.
06:10:09 <ais523> coppro: largely's less than mostly, IMO
06:10:41 <ehird> I'd be fine with leaving this stick in for now, but I'd like to get it out later
06:11:14 <ais523> as a really silly idea, have you tried using a software eject command on it?
06:11:25 <ais523> much the same way you can eject CDs from software?
06:11:31 <ehird> I unmounted it first.
06:11:45 <ais523> maybe it only detects unmounts from Windows?
06:11:59 <ais523> that would be ridiculous, but not entirely implausible
06:12:01 <oerjan> is largely largely less than mostly, or mostly larger, that's the question
06:12:33 <coppro> ehird: power down and wait until the internal battery dies
06:12:43 <ehird> power down what, exactly?
06:12:50 <ais523> coppro: you're assuming electromagnet there
06:12:54 <ehird> what does that achieve at all?
06:12:57 <ais523> what if it's a permanent magnet?
06:13:04 <ehird> the magnet is just that the switch thing
06:13:06 <ehird> snaps to each side
06:13:21 <ehird> the actual mechanism is just that the plug is mounted on the switch thing
06:13:29 <coppro> ais523: no permanent magnet of that strength would be found in consumer electronics
06:13:34 <ehird> it's a rather obvious way to make something retractable...
06:13:48 <ehird> coppro: you're on crack, the thing worked before i ever put it in a computer
06:13:48 <ais523> coppro: you'd be surprised
06:13:51 <ehird> drop the magnet thing, guyz
06:13:59 <ais523> they're often used to tune TVs, for instance
06:14:15 <ais523> they use permanent magnets as well as electromagnetism to help steer the beam
06:14:34 <coppro> CRT TVs are no longer consumer electronics :P
06:15:09 <ehird> <ais523> I use a black and white CRT TV from the stone age
06:15:24 <ehird> <ais523> I got it second-hand from a velociraptor who crafted it out of the original spare rib
06:15:36 <ais523> ehird: both our TVs at home are CRT, although we threw the black-and-white one out ages ago
06:15:38 <ehird> <ais523> and plug it into my hand-crank Analytical Engine laptop
06:15:53 <ais523> we couldn't find an easy way to get one with an integrated VHS recorder otherwise
06:16:03 <ais523> and my parents don't really understand recording technologies more advanced than VHS
06:16:06 <ehird> more like schmintergrated
06:16:15 <coppro> a PVR is easier than VHS :/
06:16:20 <ehird> ais523: VHS recording is actually a bitch imo
06:16:29 <ais523> ehird: not really on the integrated versions
06:16:29 <ehird> the interface sucks to set time, and the "magic codes" rarely work
06:16:33 <ais523> you press the record button, it records
06:16:41 <ais523> oh, you mean recording on a timer? they don't normally do that
06:16:41 <ehird> ais523: unless you want to record a program on at 4am
06:16:52 <ehird> anything not on right now
06:16:55 <ais523> ehird: the usual method of accomplishing that in this family seems to be staying up until 4am
06:17:06 <ehird> ais523: then hitting record and going to bed?
06:17:18 <ais523> the VCR rewinds and ejects once the tape ends
06:17:33 <ais523> (ironically, I do know how to work the timer, but rarely use it)
06:17:39 <ais523> (but then, I haven't recorded anything for months anyway)
06:18:09 <ehird> I'm fairly sure torrents are at least an order of a magnitude easier to use than a VCR timer
06:18:18 <ehird> and torrents aren't even very simple...
06:19:18 <ehird> something like tivo is probably easier, but also more locked-down
06:19:22 <ais523> hmm... does Visual Studio run in Wine?
06:19:29 <ehird> almost certainly not
06:19:32 <ais523> I'm sort-of wondering what the free versions are like
06:19:41 <ais523> I've used a paid version at University, it was just generically annoying
06:19:46 <ais523> so I switched to the command-line version instead
06:20:02 <ais523> cl.exe isn't really that bad, it's hard to really mess up the interface of a command-line compiler
06:20:11 <ehird> there's a well-polished vi keybindings type thing for visual studio
06:20:14 <ehird> that probably makes it nicer
06:20:31 <ehird> (a big commercial thing, not just a 10-line open source addon that adds three commands and no combining)
06:20:50 <ehird> http://www.codekana.com/ is also quite cool-looking due to its ability to parse invalid code
06:20:58 <ehird> but visual studio just seems like Too Much
06:24:13 <ais523> <Wikia> You are now leaving Wikia. Please click here to continue, or wait 10 seconds to be redirected.
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06:24:26 <ais523> what a brilliant idea!
06:24:43 <coppro> wiki* is generally bad
06:24:53 <ehird> wait you're not serious are you?
06:25:09 <coppro> absolutely. Do you know the amount of time I have spent reading random articles on Wikipedia?
06:25:17 <coppro> almost as bad as TVTropes
06:25:28 <ehird> coppro: fuck you, i was all prepared to be all holier-than-thou :P
06:25:34 <ehird> just go and ruin my rage!
06:26:47 <ehird> so uh anyone want to .iso this usb stick :|
06:29:39 <coppro> hmm... any reason a CD must be ISO format? Why not just dd off the stick?
06:29:47 * Sgeo founded a wiki on wikia.. back before they went evil
06:29:54 <ehird> coppro: .iso → USB
06:30:07 <ehird> .iso ubuntu 9.04 → usb sticky stick
06:30:14 <ehird> unetbootin would be the thing
06:30:20 <ehird> uses qt4, but windows/linux binaries only
06:30:26 <ehird> and i'm way too lazy to compile it
06:32:22 <coppro> ehird: format the stick, copy the disk over, then set up grub on it?
06:32:36 <ehird> you can't use grub, just syslinux
06:32:53 <ehird> but sure, that would work, added to todo as "last resort".
06:34:22 <ehird> because it won't work? i don't know this shit, i just know it's true
06:35:00 <coppro> it won't work from a USB stick?
06:35:07 <coppro> works fine from a USB harddisk for me
06:35:33 <ehird> ffffffffffffffffffffff
06:35:55 <coppro> you appear to have sprung a leak
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06:43:14 <ehird> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ ;; .........ffffffffffffffffffff
06:44:08 <oerjan> yes it was rather bad today
06:44:32 <coppro> ehird: I hate him now too :(
06:44:55 <coppro> but he invented Piet, so all's good
06:45:01 <oerjan> well he's on the run from death already
06:45:52 <ehird> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/2425.html
06:46:38 <oerjan> wouldn't that rather be death _to_ time?
06:48:23 <ehird> but they're all death by
06:48:31 <ehird> oerjan: death by being time
06:48:46 <oerjan> maybe, possibly, perhaps
06:56:46 <ehird> so, who wants to get this usb working
07:02:34 <coppro> no, pretty sure she's asleep
07:05:13 <ehird> she dreams about usb ubuntu install cds
07:08:49 <coppro> hmm... she never complains about nightmares
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10:34:24 <AnMaster> ais523, what was that about ejecting usb stick about?
10:34:50 <ais523> AnMaster: I'm not entirely sure; ehird seems to have mechanical problems with his
10:35:45 <AnMaster> ais523, he must be weak if he can't pull out an usb stick!
10:36:02 <ais523> AnMaster: there's some sort of weird magnetic lock thing
10:36:48 <AnMaster> ais523, that locks onto what? the plastic of the computer?
10:37:01 <ais523> I'm not sure of the details
10:37:17 <AnMaster> also that seems too silly to be true
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