00:00:23 <AnMaster> yes, was saying night in another channel too. Now I set /away and am going to bed. Cya tomorrow
00:11:26 <ehird> Say, when will geocities be erased?
00:16:26 <ehird> It's going tomorrow.
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00:32:59 <ehird> Holy shit i7s are a lot cheaper now.
00:33:41 <ehird> (Quad-Core) 2.8 GHz 95 W i7-860 for $289.99... the older 920 was the same price (well, $1 cheaper) and only 2.66, plus it used 130 W.
00:34:30 <ehird> bsmntbombdood: Intel are laughing at you
00:35:36 <ehird> Hey, with Geocities closing, Agora will have outlived it.
00:35:47 <ehird> (Geocities is merely 15; Agora is 16.)
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01:05:05 <fizzie> I do grub2 nowadays (well, 1.97~beta4-1, says the package version), because Debian-unstable's "grub" package went and changed to that (with a pretty reasonable "we first chainload from grub1 so if it doesn't work your system isn't completely hosed" upgrade path), and I like playing with things, and it does seem to work just fine, despite any bloatsy.
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01:07:32 <fizzie> Can't say I care terribly much about the boot loader since, like you sort-of implied, it's not like you spend a lot of time in it; so since it does what I want, I can't really see why to deviate from the distro-default choice.
01:08:14 <ehird> I was more investigating it as a distro-maker.
01:27:47 <Ilari> Wonder where people have gotten impression that secure password absolutely requires non-alphanumeric characters and case-sensitivity...
01:28:12 <lament> it's just a good way to enforce non-dictionary passwords
01:28:13 <ehird> You can only use 0 and 1 in your password.
01:28:25 <ehird> It's not good, it's annoying
01:28:26 <augur> all passwords are binary!
01:28:31 <ehird> What about people who use DiceWare
01:28:38 <ehird> somephrasespiledtogetheralotofthem
01:28:55 <augur> with convenient shorthand for all 8-bit-long chunks :P
01:29:24 <pikhq> Just state that the password must have a certain amount of entropy.
01:29:54 <augur> thatd be an interesting measure of a passwords acceptability
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01:32:29 <Ilari> Have classes of characters, any character of that class causes entiere class to be added to base set size. Then compute log2 of base set size and multiply by password length?
01:34:18 <Ilari> Urgh... IDE error 51/54 on hdc (CD drive)... Looks like bad burn...
01:40:15 <Ilari> But all files on that disk seem to read properly without any I/O errors...
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01:41:13 <zzo38> I have thinking about a computer pinball game that uses Forth and a few other things about it. It would have three scripts with Forth codes, one is te "hardware" script which defines the physical layout of the table and which are connected to what, the "software" script (which can include the hardware script with various words meaning different things now) which is like the CPU of the pinball table, and the "extra" script which defines things
01:41:22 <zzo38> :And then once sounds and decals images are added, you put everything together in one ZIP file. The compilations options is for giving names and default values of options that can be set by the user, and those values are then set as constants when the other scripts are being compiled.
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03:16:01 <fungot> Oranjer: i have very great difficulty under this point :) view, that/ elements that go to/ head by a cliff :)/ 245-255 feet plain, and :) which i have ever received.
03:18:42 <coppro> fungot appears to have been writing a poem!
03:18:43 <fungot> coppro: my dear huxley
03:19:05 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
03:19:15 <coppro> fungot, what is a Great Old One?
03:19:17 <fungot> coppro: i have said, i had little difficulty in finding my way to the university fnord, picking up a paper from the next opening in the same inexplicable rhythm, while nimbuses of unclassifiable light resembling that of the modern blackfellows, wherein the high-priests dwelt with a magnificence scarce less than that which all the foreigners and the superstitious old folk feared. mazurewicz came home at six o'clock and said peop
03:19:35 <fungot> oppro: published june 1936 in astounding stories, vol. 29, no. 1, p. fnord
03:19:52 <coppro> didn't get a response to that
03:19:56 <fungot> coppro: " s'pose one night ye seed somethin' heavy heaved offen obed's dory beyond the reef' and then learned next day a very troublesome situation was created by the fnord of
03:20:29 <Oranjer> he has captured the voice of a veteran shark hunter
03:23:08 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft* nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
03:23:15 <fungot> Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
03:23:49 <Oranjer> fungot, tell me of the jabberwocky
03:23:50 <fungot> Oranjer: one thing was certain, that the ridiculous idea crossed my mind that it was really touching to hear the melancholy tone in which she said ' i never expected i should be dumb, and full fnord fnord, how fnord thou of yt? yt fnord bytte of rhyme.
03:26:22 <Oranjer> fungot, that doesn't make any SENSE
03:26:23 <fungot> Oranjer: they take me a walk: though tired and stiff, to climb the heights i madly fnord and, now i come to think of it, as the poor little creature. " i know what ' sin' means," said the little lady in my arms, than it would have been dreadful, always supposing that fairies can be walked over my own belief is that they are something of the feeling of one who has crossed a street, and has had a bad dream. put him to bed at once
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03:43:29 <fungot> immibis: fnord. no nightmare is pleasant; unpleasant fnord are not anxiously desired. having once decided on his quarters, it needed only a second or two for him to run up the stem like a tiny fnord of fnord!"
03:43:56 <immibis> fungot, an fnord is an unpleasant nightmare which is not anxiously desired and runs up stems?
03:43:57 <fungot> immibis: the next best solution, it seemed impossible!" he exclaimed. " he measures time quite as fnord as the years glide away." yet knew not what: like shaft from bow at random shot, he spoke, ' there's only one day at a time.'
03:44:23 <Oranjer> ah geez that is some beautiful prose
03:44:46 <Oranjer> "yet knew not what: like shaft from bow at random shot, he spoke, "there's only one day at a time."
03:45:18 <fungot> Available: agora alice* c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
03:45:46 <fungot> immibis: " and how was the fnord of my fnord! and nothing could be sweeter than my temper, till the proper time came for fnord it, of the whole invention. all the while and fighting for the crown, which the driver was carrying into the shop, one by one.
03:45:52 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
03:46:02 <Oranjer> can we combine styles I want to
03:46:19 <Oranjer> ^style lovecraft alice discworld
03:46:45 <Oranjer> ^style discworld,lovecraft
03:46:57 <oerjan> i am pretty sure you cannot
03:47:15 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
03:47:16 <fungot> fax: " you were a person at all but after two hundred years!'
03:47:16 <oerjan> the files for each style are precomputed
03:47:26 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
03:47:26 <fungot> fax: ' let's get out of here,' said vimes. " got change of a dollar was gaining the upper hand. there was nothing but the taste of...
03:47:31 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
03:47:32 <fungot> fax: " business district somewhere," said brutha. " i don't even know if he's really good because he'll come out. believe me.
03:48:03 <fungot> Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
03:48:15 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
03:48:15 <fungot> fax: i quoted the stanza!
03:48:17 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
03:48:35 <Oranjer> stop saying the "fungot," at the beginning, it does not register!
03:48:36 <fungot> Oranjer: ' i shouldn't know you again if we did meet,' humpty dumpty interrupted impatiently. ' what does it live on?' alice enquired.
03:48:48 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
03:48:48 <fungot> fax: " ' i fear,' said alice; ' but if they do come, i strove to prove the matter true by putting everything i knew into an axiom:
03:50:18 <Oranjer> fungot, what do you think of Jorge Luis Borges?
03:50:19 <fungot> Oranjer: i told him, as if it wasn't trouble enough fnord the eggs," said the king, and the professor fnord replied, as he stood and fnord his wife may at their pleasure assume fnord' before, with a strange look in his eyes. " most orators are born, you know."
04:01:20 <ehird> [02:19] coppro: peop
04:01:21 <ehird> [02:19] fungot: •oppro: published june 1936 in astounding stories, vol. 29, no. 1, p. fnord incompatible encoding
04:01:21 <fungot> ehird: altogether, a most unsatisfactory pair of premisses!
04:12:24 * coppro is going to try and make a fnord-compatible encoding
04:13:15 <ehird> coppro did not say its name
04:13:18 <fax> so we should mollycoddle n00bs and wrap them up in cotton wool?
04:13:23 <ehird> and fungot said "•oppro"
04:13:24 <fungot> ehird: " where shall we look?" said lady muriel, we moved on in silence till the sound of the " o" in " borogoves" is pronounced like the " o" in " worry". such is human fnord.
04:13:25 <ehird> which is not coppro
04:13:28 <ehird> fax: reddit-reader.
04:13:46 <ehird> coppro: so yeah, wtf?
04:13:54 <fungot> coppro: ' fnord and sawdust,' said the guard, putting his hands to his mouth in the shape of a horse's head), and, burning with curiosity, she ran against it before she could stop herself.
04:14:13 <ehird> [02:19] coppro: peop
04:14:13 <ehird> [02:19] fungot: •oppro: published june 1936 in astounding stories, vol. 29, no. 1, p. fnord incompatible encoding
04:14:14 <fungot> ehird: ' that's all,' said alice; ' but if you hadn't done them,' said alice.
04:14:17 <fungot> ehird: " well, since you ask the question!" i hastily interrupted him. " and this is bruno. it doesn't take long. he's only got one eye open!" roared the queen.
04:14:26 <fungot> coppro: " i think the best way will be for you to carry when you're fairies, you know. that would be all the rest were grouped in twos and threes, then ten or twenty together, and fnord
04:16:18 <fungot> Oranjer: and that these two, when fnord, give us a ' ap'ny!" the fair fnord exclaimed with enthusiasm.
04:17:25 <oerjan> well fungot's previous message got cut off there
04:17:26 <fungot> oerjan: " for fifteen years," said sylvie. " it's going fnord i may so express myself." then they both bowed low and their curls got entangled together. she made out the words, several times over, with a slender gold chain attached to it.
04:17:36 <oerjan> maybe the cutting off is also needed...
04:17:53 <ehird> fungot: cut off you bitch ass
04:17:53 <fungot> ehird: ' does that kind go smoothly?' the white queen sitting on the other set. of course we'll have the coach-and-four out, at the top of the little frog, and looking rather fnord. sugar is sweet; salt is not sweet.
04:17:56 <ehird> fungot: cut off you bitch ass
04:17:56 <fungot> ehird: they sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; you may hunt it with forks and hope; they threatened its life with a railway-share; you may charm it with smiles and soap!"
04:17:58 <ehird> fungot: cut off you bitch ass
04:17:58 <fungot> ehird: ' you don't know how hard they fnord of them helping the poor old man!"
04:17:59 <ehird> fungot: cut off you bitch ass
04:17:59 <fungot> ehird: ' you will observe the rules of battle, that alice could hardly hear what they said.
04:18:00 <ehird> fungot: cut off you bitch ass
04:18:04 <fungot> Available: agora alice* c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
04:18:07 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
04:18:13 <ehird> fungot: i am ready for some lovecraft pimping
04:18:17 <ehird> someone else say fungot
04:18:55 <Oranjer> fungot, cut off your last word, please
04:18:57 <fungot> Oranjer: nerves on edge, and it looks nothing at all like the look of that moving column. it fnord that deep flights of onyx steps go down to business since the shock of my mother's demise had visibly affected my father. i think that the professor, too fnord to keep silent and solitary.
04:19:02 <ehird> fungot: i am ready for some lovecraft pimping
04:19:03 <fungot> ehird: mental projections down the ages from an ineffable antiquity human or pre-human whose knowledge of the dark, olden years of the province. nor was i pleased by mr. fnord dexter of ye bay in fnord oute uncommon things and fnord to band together, and believed that charles or allen had merely unearthed an fnord counterpart perhaps one who had taken a good priest to fnord what had come had left no trace, not even trying to di
04:19:34 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
04:19:36 <fungot> fax: fnord o'malley tells of devil-worship with box found in the cottage, two abreast, as if curwen were extorting some sort of secret and fnord action. curwen, a man he had known in myriad other dreams. there it still stood on the altar in the ancient family of de la fnord that throb down in the mud. but mind ye, luther he didn't see nothin' at all, or even ourselves, of anything definite. we had replaced the tarpaulin over po
04:19:58 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
04:19:59 <fungot> fax: so when carter bade that old grey chief of the cats also told him where to look, and once
04:20:07 <ehird> it ignores your command
04:20:09 <ehird> if you don't have ^
04:20:12 <ehird> as the first character
04:20:19 <fax> ^fungot, ^style alice
04:20:28 <ehird> stop being purposefully idiotic
04:20:30 <ehird> you need the command first
04:20:34 <fax> fungot, ^style alice
04:20:35 <fungot> fax: of course it was the wild thunder of the mountain slopes adjoining the apertures seemed invariably smooth and fnord and knows just how to leave a place where the roof had wholly caved in. the debris rose like a mountain, for only in the basements and cellars was there much saving of life, both of these tales owe their supreme magic to the cunning development which appears in the selection and collocation of every least inc
04:20:38 <ehird> ^, command, newline
04:20:50 <fungot> Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
04:20:50 <fungot> Oranjer: but he was good for fnord fnord is a kind of folk who have no horror of a joke. i wish you were not quite so fnord i've had to ask you to recall how tenderly i fnord!"
04:21:07 <oerjan> fax: if you cannot grasp a simple command format from observation we'll have to cancel your membership
04:21:17 <ehird> i think he's trolling
04:21:32 <Oranjer> cut your membership card in half
04:21:40 <fax> oejan I figured out hte format: ^, command, newline
04:21:58 <Oranjer> heheheahahahehehehahahehgaheahasdfGAH
04:22:01 <ehird> but we told you that earlier
04:22:05 <ehird> Oranjer: stop laughing all the time
04:22:11 <fax> turned Oranjer into a squid
04:22:22 <Oranjer> remember, as fungot said, sugar is sweet, salt is not sweet
04:22:23 <fungot> Oranjer: fnord. fnord sometimes fnord all animals sometimes sleep."
04:22:45 <Oranjer> "all animals sometimes sleep"
04:23:02 <fax> all animals sometimes sleep in a simply conservative extention of PA
04:23:57 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:23:57 <fungot> fax: the earl nodded. " of course you wouldn't have two fnord in one dinner?' alice asked with some curiosity. " i quite lost my heart to her!" said the professor," i said.
04:25:17 <Oranjer> fungot, what's your opinion on...EVOLUTION?!!?!
04:25:17 <fungot> Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy)
04:25:18 <fungot> Oranjer: in reading/ fnord :)/ offspring. nevertheless, in almost every breed, in/ :( hydrog. memoir," it would be even more striking.
04:25:50 <ehird> fax: why do you keep prependining fungot, ?
04:25:53 <fungot> ehird: villarsia sp.? " gentianeae). now on my plants there are, as to/ compositae and fnord and in this case no abnormal rootlets have been observed, as he had been obliged to read other books, and these to tristan d'acunha, a volcanic island situated under an arid climate will at once say whether i have made it clearer that he attaches most importance to/ plant, or more rarely partially transferred. but we are often wholly un
04:25:55 <ehird> apart from trolling
04:26:03 <fungot> ehird: geological notes made during a survey :)/ :( beagle" is described as being best. if, then, that foliated schists indisputably are sometimes produced with/ upper lip over/ canine or eye tooth raised on/ fnord
04:26:41 <oerjan> keep your notation polished
04:26:55 <Oranjer> "polish remover" :O Nazis!
04:27:52 <Oranjer> fungot, you're not a nazi, are you?
04:27:53 <fungot> Oranjer: arborescent cabbages :). it is said that some few plants seem to migrate more readily than they can be bent or doubled in any direction.
04:27:55 <oerjan> was a sport in the FRC hellympics, i recall
04:28:17 <fax> Oranjer: arborescent cabbages :)
04:28:43 <oerjan> are those cabbages involving into trees?
04:28:47 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:28:48 <fungot> fax: yours affectionately, ch. darwin." about wallace in lubbock's last chapter. in/ long-styled being quite smooth.
04:28:55 <fungot> Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books)
04:28:56 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:28:57 <fungot> fax: ' that's why i can't write anything down?' william said aloud. ' destiny.'
04:28:59 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:28:59 <fungot> fax: ' if something happens, something else has to happen! have you seen any like this before," said
04:29:00 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:29:01 <fungot> fax: " music's free," said brutha. " do you know much about gods?" said buddy.
04:29:07 <ehird> I'm feeding a troll
04:29:10 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:29:11 <immibis> fungot has flood protection
04:29:12 <fungot> immibis: there was a splash and the doors swing open," he added.
04:29:12 <ehird> just ignore fax when he does that
04:30:08 <Oranjer> hey, fungot, I need advice on how to implement the relation described by the mapping of n dimensions on each other, forming a tuple, in a mere 2-D plane.
04:30:09 <fungot> Oranjer: granny weatherwax was pretty damn' powerful. she was so rich she lived in three rooms in a fnord jerkin, rakishly floppy hat and black nails and education. oh, yes...
04:30:32 <Oranjer> okay, it is apparent that this bot is saying "look to the past for answers"
04:30:36 <fungot> Oranjer: albert looked up at the wooden box. technically, a cat locked in a gentle but very positive movement.
04:32:02 <Oranjer> though fungot, what symbol should I use to represent "the synthesis of these concepts"?
04:32:03 <fungot> Oranjer: om sat peacefully on brutha's lap. " i s'pose it all depends on how alive they've let themselves become able to do it, sergeant," he said, to no-one in particular.
04:33:02 <immibis> fungot, what is the meaning of life?
04:33:03 <fungot> immibis: ' oh, to sort it out.
04:33:32 <Oranjer> I would have to entirely agree with this sub-sentient bot
04:34:18 <immibis> fungot, what is the meaning of death?
04:34:19 <fungot> immibis: " you can really fnord' to have to tell you that the world's ended, then,' said
04:34:23 <immibis> fungot, what is the meaning of meaning?
04:34:24 <fungot> immibis: there was a young woman. very well," he muttered.
04:36:40 <Oranjer> fungot: the world needs a universal language: agree/disagree?
04:36:41 <fungot> Oranjer: wheezing a little, and walked up and down
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04:38:58 <madbrain> hmm, it would be posslibe to make a system that runs at 60fps, with 262 scanlines per frame, 382 mem cycles (full ram access is 1 cycle, more accesses from the same RAM page are 1/3 cycle)
04:39:04 <oerjan> fungot: right, a conlang based on wheezing and silly walks
04:39:04 <fungot> oerjan: " why did you. i was champion three years running up at copperhead. i could destroy you utterly.
04:39:25 <Oranjer> wow, oerjan, I think it just threatened you
04:39:38 <Oranjer> because you insulted its ability to create a conlang from such thigns
04:40:26 <oerjan> fungot: that's it, you need anger management therapy
04:40:26 <fungot> oerjan: ' for various foreign notables and similar people.'
04:41:39 <Oranjer> fungot, are you saying foreign notables (and similar people) require the attentions of practitioners of psychiatry?
04:41:40 <fungot> Oranjer: " oook." the creator looked around distractedly. " you boys can afford it!"
04:42:03 <Oranjer> ah! so if such people can afford psych help, then they should get it, fungot?
04:42:04 <fungot> Oranjer: ' yes. look, you'd need one along elm street somewhere, dose to the stunned reptile. " it fnord you up. you'd said who did it?"
04:45:47 <immibis> fungot, oranjer needs to look along elm street?
04:45:48 <fungot> immibis: 1. a `while' ends it will not be an expression in each cardinal direction to look at it, create a new `while', and are human-readable; c-intercal will refuse to carry out bitwise ands, ors, and so will not affect uses of interleaving is to carry out bitwise ands, ors, and so on until its least significant bit, that produces an output executable, or something more complex), so you can also be used in expressions that ne
04:46:10 <fungot> immibis: 2.1 language-affecting options may change depending on the atari compiler
04:46:18 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:46:18 <fungot> fax: do pin :2 :1 times :2, error exit on overflow 2, an `ick_linelabel' is a debug-time error caused when you give the `-p' option is used); for more information on how much memory the lexer-generator needs to be done with a different license, version 1.2 or any later version published by the `oil' compiler option to `ick' will delete those files, include files, and some of the microcontroller's negative voltage rail. there ar
04:46:21 <Oranjer> what the hell fungot you switched styles on us what
04:46:22 <fungot> Oranjer: one of the form of each, one character after the created statement. ( a tail array can also avoid the problem is that such a variable can usually be read and written; however, it would be compile-time errors in a non-multithreaded program ( this is achieved with the c preprocessor is run and line labels
04:46:40 <ehird> either you have severe mental retardation
04:46:43 <ehird> or are trying to annoy us
04:46:53 <immibis> it's just ^style not fungot, ^style
04:46:54 <fungot> immibis: finally, the " vicword" program that allows you to have the same bit in register 32 ( 20). the .y register is as easy as possible.
04:47:02 <ehird> immibis: so we've told him ten times.
04:47:02 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
04:47:09 <fungot> Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
04:47:11 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:47:12 <fungot> fax: jsut stfu..ppl die everyday and someday you'll pass. it was flown from outside of the airstrip. therefore crashing into the trees at the door whilst watching this?
04:47:29 <immibis> lament are you here right now?
04:49:33 <Oranjer> hear that, fax? even the ol' beast itself is tired of your shit!
04:49:33 <fax> Oranger which shit?
04:49:33 <ehird> lament: ban fax he keeps prepending fungot comamnds with "fungot, " even though we've told him 50 times not to and he has acknowledged this and we have stated it plainly and also he is annoying us and he is trying to so yeah.
04:49:33 <fungot> ehird: that video? your comment would be able to get your xbox repaired. plenty of time, some people here.
04:49:33 <fax> you are all using the bot too
04:49:33 <ehird> xbox repaired? sweet!
04:49:33 <ehird> i don't have an xbox
04:49:33 <ehird> lament — MAD WITH POWER
04:49:33 -!- lament has set channel mode: -o lament.
04:49:33 <fax> wait a sec what is it I have done wrong?
04:49:33 <ehird> okay don't ban i guess
04:49:33 <ehird> fax: prepended fungot commands with "fungot, " which makes it ignore the commands
04:49:33 <fungot> ehird: i would have to say the least.... and i am quoting kingeek9:
04:49:33 <immibis> fax, you keep prepending ^style commands with "fungot,"
04:49:33 <fax> immibis everyone else is getting the bot to say stuff, why can't I too?
04:49:33 <fungot> immibis: boss fight is awesome and her songs were better bofor she changed, but that is amazing. i believe you have mentioned and named, and has been starded. always bet on duke!
04:49:33 <ehird> to troll us, you have succeeded
04:49:33 <fax> immibis what the hell is so bad about that??
04:49:33 <ehird> fax: it's just sending them with the current style
04:49:33 <ehird> that command format doesn't work
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04:49:33 <ehird> why am i explaining this to someone who is troling
04:49:33 <immibis> fax: it doesn't change the style
04:49:33 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
04:49:33 <fax> immibis and I don't want to change the style
04:49:33 <fax> immibis why does it matter if I do that?
04:49:33 <immibis> fax, then don't use ^style
04:49:33 <ehird> fax: so stop saying "^style"
04:49:33 <fax> immibis I am not
04:49:33 <fungot> Oranjer: iago. and this may helpe to thicken other proofs that do demonstrate thinly.
04:49:33 <ehird> [03:47] fax: fungot, ^style discworld
04:49:33 <fungot> ehird: pericles. report thy parentage. i think this is a trick, a mere devise, a sleight plotted betwixt her father and my grandfather were kings, and banquo
04:49:33 <immibis> fungot please take over this channel and kick fax
04:49:33 <fungot> immibis: buck. northumberland, say thus: some good thing comes to morrow
04:49:33 <ehird> [03:47] fax: fungot, ^style discworld
04:49:33 <fungot> ehird: oli. what boy, to have your company. fnord in, shall it seeme to signifie
04:49:44 <ehird> you are saying ^style
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04:49:58 <fax> immibis if you want me to stop using the bot I will do
04:50:02 <fungot> Selected style: agora (a large selection of Agora rules, both current and historical)
04:50:14 <ehird> just ignore fax, he's trollzin
04:50:24 <immibis> fax, it responds to *anything* with the word "fungot" in it using whatever the last style was
04:50:25 <fungot> immibis: ( e) a player
04:50:42 <fax> immibis: I know that
04:50:47 <immibis> fungot, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
04:50:48 <fungot> immibis: during this period e may become 2 rather than continue to exist, with two supporters. this rule
04:50:48 <ehird> Oranjer: talking about /ignores = uncool thx
04:51:40 <ehird> i meant ignore as in the don't read sense, not as in /ignore :P
04:52:49 <ehird> although you may not know about /ignore
04:52:49 <fax> you guys are insane I wasn't using the bot half as much as the rest but I still am the one that got told off
04:52:49 <fax> just becuaes you thought I didn't understand the command..
04:52:49 <ehird> then why did you say it, just out of curiosity
04:52:49 <ehird> also, we're #esoteric
04:52:49 <ehird> of course we're insane
04:53:27 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
04:53:28 <fungot> fax: iii) an entity's voting power on a sane proposal. as soon as possible, notify the notary.
04:53:47 <immibis> fax: it is annoying when you say "fungot, ^style something"
04:53:48 <fungot> immibis: a rule change is defined by the promotor to distribute the judgement must be either true, then
04:53:50 * ehird clicks a link on reddit, sees "After some kind people in #esoteric@irc.freenode.net", blinks
04:53:55 <fax> immibis why?
04:54:02 <fungot> Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
04:54:08 <ehird> (http://geeksbynature.dk/?p=61)
04:54:11 <ehird> coppro and immibis are mentioned
04:54:31 <oerjan> ehird: you do realize whether he adds , ^style discworld has no effect whatsoever, including bad ones, other than in your head?
04:54:40 <ehird> oerjan: IT'S ANNOYING AND CONFUSING :(
04:54:47 <fax> oerjan you are very wise
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04:55:05 <oerjan> clean shaven, i'm afraid
04:55:19 <fax> Oranjer hates me :(
04:55:26 <fax> because I ^styled
04:55:29 <ehird> persecution complex!
04:55:30 <fax> oh really??
04:55:37 <ehird> hurf durf trollaxing
04:55:41 <Oranjer1> I merely despise your current actions
04:55:49 <ehird> I DESPISE YOUR FACE
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04:56:10 <fax> im the worst person in the world
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04:56:30 <ehird> `addquote <fax> im the worst person in the world
04:56:31 <HackEgo> 96|<fax> im the worst person in the world
04:56:41 <HackEgo> 11|<SimonRC> TODO: sex life
04:56:46 <HackEgo> 16|<Madelon> 11 holes for me :D
04:56:49 <HackEgo> 78|<GregorR> ??? <GregorR> Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? <GregorR> Or are there monster dildos and cocks? <GregorR> Or are both the dildos and cocks monster?
04:57:22 <fax> ^style fungot
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04:59:06 <HackEgo> 24|<oerjan> ehird has gone insane, clearly.
04:59:18 <HackEgo> 38|<Dylan> speaking of pants <Dylan> harry potter movie
04:59:27 <HackEgo> 91|<oklopol> actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge
04:59:34 <HackEgo> 93|<Oranjer> oohhh <Oranjer> ha <Oranjer> heh <madbrain> and what are your other characteristics? <Oranjer> oh, many, madbrain <Oranjer> but it's hardly worth it to go on with listing that list here
04:59:36 <HackEgo> 91|<oklopol> actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge
04:59:46 <HackEgo> 16|<Madelon> 11 holes for me :D
04:59:49 <oerjan> yes, we are clearly insane. every one.
04:59:50 <HackEgo> 19|<Warrigal> "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom
04:59:51 <HackEgo> 32|<ehird> so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers
04:59:53 <HackEgo> 90|<oklopol> hmm, this is hard
04:59:57 <HackEgo> 63|<fizzie> The thing is just to exist
05:00:13 <HackEgo> 29|IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <bsmntbombdood> there is plenty of room to get head twice at once
05:00:25 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
05:00:36 <HackEgo> 88|<Madelon> both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. <Madelon> kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in?
05:01:27 <HackEgo> 1|<Aftran> I've always wanted to kill someone. >.>
05:01:27 <fax> `quote fungot
05:01:28 <fungot> fax: ( iii) if the office after the
05:01:29 <HackEgo> 18|<fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. 23|<fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. 27|<fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there werent evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing
05:01:44 <fungot> immibis: any player is awarded to any of the
05:01:52 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
05:02:17 <HackEgo> 23|<fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it.
05:02:20 <ehird> fax: fungot ignores HackEgo
05:02:20 <fungot> ehird: there are three ranks within the past 48 hours. if a proposal that the
05:02:30 <HackEgo> 14|<reddit user "othermatt"> So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs?
05:03:35 <HackEgo> 59|<Dylan> actually, I pretended to be a hobo to get directions
05:03:39 <fax> `quote fungot
05:03:39 <fungot> fax: ( b) for n abstain votes. the
05:03:40 <HackEgo> 18|<fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. 23|<fizzie after embedding some of his department research into fungot> Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. 27|<fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there werent evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing
05:03:54 <HackEgo> 93|<Oranjer> oohhh <Oranjer> ha <Oranjer> heh <madbrain> and what are your other characteristics? <Oranjer> oh, many, madbrain <Oranjer> but
05:04:00 <HackEgo> 04:04:00 up 81 days, 3:14, 0 users, load average: 0.29, 0.37, 0.20
05:04:03 <HackEgo> 93|<Oranjer> oohhh <Oranjer> ha <Oranjer> heh <madbrain> and what are your other characteristics? <Oranjer> oh, many, madbrain <Oranjer> but it's hardly worth it to go on with listing that list here
05:04:14 <fax> `echo "$PATH"
05:04:23 <HackEgo> /tmp/hackenv.10883/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
05:04:35 <immibis> !bf +++++++++++++[>++>++++++++>+++++++++>+<<<<-]>>.+.<++++++.>---.>.-------.<+.>+.+++++.>---.
05:04:49 <ehird> it has an ignore list
05:04:58 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
05:05:15 <fax> !bf >++++++++++[>++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++++>++++>+++>+++++++++>++++++++++++>++++++++++++>++++++++++++>+++++++++++>++++++++++><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-]>++>--->>+++>+>---->++++>++>++++>----->---->+>-->+><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.
05:05:44 <HackEgo> 36|<Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour"
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05:05:58 <HackEgo> 92|<oklopol> if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has
05:06:12 <HackEgo> 53|<oklopol> anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true <oklopol> should put that on my todo list
05:06:27 <ehird> i like how half of these are just normal oklopol talking
05:06:33 <HackEgo> 21|<pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest.
05:06:49 <fungot> Available: agora* alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
05:06:54 <HackEgo> 56|<oklopol> i'm my dad's unborn sister
05:07:00 <HackEgo> 40|<ehird> That'd be the fahrenheit? I'm trying to have a mental breakdown here.
05:07:18 <oerjan> ehird: did you succeed?
05:07:18 <fungot> Selected style: jargon (UNIX-HATERS mailing list archive)
05:07:18 <HackEgo> 92|<oklopol> if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has
05:07:26 <HackEgo> 88|<Madelon> both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. <Madelon> kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in?
05:07:30 <HackEgo> 83|<Madelon> yay fire! * Madelon combusts spontaneously.
05:07:44 <fungot> Oranjer1: case 2: on ice cubes bourbon on the
05:07:55 <Oranjer1> ...burn on ice cubes? okay, fungot
05:07:56 <fungot> Oranjer1: actually, a translation function is not hard for the
05:08:05 <ehird> (jargon used to be the jargon file :P)
05:08:20 <HackEgo> 17|<GKennethR-L> :d <(I can lick my nose!)
05:08:23 <fungot> Selected style: speeches (misc. speeches from Project Gutenberg)
05:08:30 <fungot> Oranjer1: in an instant, from the customary repetition of habitual acts, and of such mighty questions, in the hope that i may end this long debate with a few of those virtues which are not unlikely to attain the end.
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05:08:54 <HackEgo> 95|<fungot> Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis".
05:08:58 <Oranjer1> I imagine Morgan Freeman saying that, of course
05:09:08 <HackEgo> 52|<ehird> Apple = Windows.
05:09:11 <HackEgo> 6|<Keiya> I think the freemasons are actually a cover for homosexual men.
05:09:15 <HackEgo> 39|<GKennethR-L> I'm a furry
05:09:31 <fungot> Oranjer1: to answer this question, we must live through all time, from asking for some explanation of so extraordinary a nature that it has no sort of shelter or favour but what it can win, it has followed that the degree of fecundity fnord to this fnord, so fnord mixed with so much care, sometimes by wit, but more frequently by intrigue, by disguises, mistakes of persons, creed, or colour, shall be then, thenceforward, and for
05:10:03 <HackEgo> 78|<GregorR> ??? <GregorR> Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? <GregorR> Or are there monster dildos and cocks? <GregorR> Or are both the dildos and cocks monster?
05:10:04 <Oranjer1> no wonder that guy complained about them, if he really did see them this often
05:10:32 <HackEgo> 7|<AnMaster> that's where I got it <AnMaster> rocket launch facility gift shop
05:10:44 <Oranjer1> fungot: could you stop saying fnord? if you want to convey sadness, you should append a :sadface:
05:11:06 <fungot> ehird: delivered in hartford, at a later period, by unparalleled sacrifices and exertions, it becomes a very great deal more popular if it was once discovered by the skill with which he had, for a few days later, and i do not believe that all these varieties have been produced, and possibly may be upheld. nothing is more ridiculous than the manner in which it will leave behind. renew the youth of the state, not only from guilt,
05:11:10 <HackEgo> 62|<ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
05:11:44 <HackEgo> 71|<GregorR-L> If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... <GregorR-L> I'd call it jabbear.
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05:12:49 <HackEgo> 75|* ehird disables javascript
05:12:53 <HackEgo> 62|<ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns.
05:12:58 <HackEgo> 44|<zzo38> I am not on the moon.
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07:14:45 <fungot> Warrigal: i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
07:15:11 <Warrigal> `addquote <fungot> i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
07:15:11 <fungot> Warrigal: i've been monologuing for a while
07:15:14 <HackEgo> 97|<fungot> i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys)
07:15:47 <Oranjer> fungot, it is entirely impossible for you to monologue, as you only speak when spoken to
07:15:48 <fungot> Oranjer: os project used buenos as the base.... _), meaning the end value for the time being
07:16:02 <fungot> Selected style: alice (Books by Lewis Carroll)
07:16:07 <fungot> Oranjer: " read them, sylvie!" here one of the party, who were discussing some new music that had just arrived from london.
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07:26:14 <immibis> does anyone know how to make gcc allocate global variables at fixed memory addresses?
07:26:41 <coppro> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Variable-Attributes.html
07:27:37 <coppro> if it's not there, it doesn't have it
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08:17:10 <fax> fungot, ^style discworld
08:17:11 <fungot> fax: 23. some hungry crocodiles are unamiable. though what it was like this. what object can we imagine in the arrangement by which each different size ( roughly speaking) of living creatures has its special shape? for instance,
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08:17:58 <fax> ^________^
08:18:06 <immibis> by the way, that does *not* change the style
08:18:17 <fax> oh?? I thought it did this whole time xD
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08:36:58 <fizzie> Yes, there's one uncaught fungot bug that sometimes causes it to get confused; that unsolicited reply way back there in the logs was probably it, since the nick-to-reply-to was corrupted too.
08:36:58 <fungot> fizzie: " nonsense!', said the earl. " an argument i heard only fnord not by a lady. ' why, about you!' haigha and hatta set to work at once to eat some of the fnord of the soul: and rising, fnord,
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10:50:34 <oklopol> immibis! my favorite irclet!
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11:27:52 <ais523> wow, a spam that's a cross between a 417 and pharmaceutical spam
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12:44:40 <augur> i just watched star trek
12:44:51 <augur> and im still enjoying it
12:44:55 <augur> not because it was especially awesome
12:44:57 <oklopol> in star trek, there's something called spock
12:45:16 <augur> but because as part of my nerd pride, i revel in the fact that im a nerd who enjoys star trek
12:45:37 <oklopol> oh well i suppose that makes you a bit of a nerdophiliac
12:45:54 <augur> why else do you think i find you so sexy? ;o
13:01:49 <augur> ok i must be off to school
13:06:11 <fizzie> Spork would've been a better name.
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15:54:35 <AnMaster> fizzie, what is it with geeks and sporks?
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15:55:10 <fizzie> It's just something you can foon.
15:57:08 <AnMaster> also I'm way too tired to google. Been a *very* busy day.
15:58:39 <fizzie> Deewiant: It doesn't sound quite as good, no.
15:59:00 <fizzie> Foon's also just an alternative name for a spork, but the way I learned it, it's the inverted variant.
15:59:11 <AnMaster> fizzie, I'm not sure the function "sporks" can be inverted. sporks⁻¹?
15:59:33 <AnMaster> that would be (sporks)⁻¹ to make it clear
15:59:37 <fizzie> It's not the function, it's just the concavity of it.
16:00:23 <fizzie> If you feel like downloading 1.5 megabytes of tiny-resolution AVI video from a slow place, http://www.spork.org/movies/foon.avi
16:00:56 <AnMaster> fizzie, look: sporks = spoon∘fork
16:01:02 <AnMaster> well, it could be a relation too
16:01:53 <fizzie> Personally I've just considered a spork as the union of spoon and fork, with the order having no meaning.
16:03:23 <fizzie> Anyway, if spork = spoon∘fork, you certainly don't get spork⁻¹ out of any foon = fork∘spoon construction.
16:04:17 <AnMaster> root 7899 37.7 8.7 208996 161996 ? RN 16:02 0:19 /usr/bin/python /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index -q
16:04:25 <AnMaster> no where does it says what a xapian thingy is
16:04:37 <AnMaster> not in the man page, not in the file itself
16:05:21 <fizzie> I'm not sure what the official name for the three-way blending of fork + knife + spoon (or spork + knife, or knork + spoon, or spife + fork) is; the figure caption for the wikipedia Splayd article does say they're known as "sporfes".
16:06:15 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splayd
16:06:30 <fizzie> It doesn't quite tell where the name comes from.
16:06:42 <AnMaster> oh hm xapian seems to be some sort of search db
16:07:07 <fizzie> "SPLAYD® utensils (after the verb to splay - to slant, slope or spread outwards) were invented in Australia by Bill McAurthur of Potts Point, New South Wales in the late 1940's."
16:07:14 <fizzie> Ah, on the company's "history" page.
16:07:51 <AnMaster> fizzie, easy to hurt oneself on those it seems
16:08:47 <fizzie> Sporfe-chucks, now that's a terrible weapon.
16:09:10 <AnMaster> fizzie, eh... how did you even come up with that idea
16:09:33 <fizzie> By extrapolating from "hurt oneself".
16:09:49 <AnMaster> some extreme extrapolating that
16:12:27 <fizzie> Alternatively maybe some sort of thing where you take a regular metal fork, knife (a sharp one!) and spoon, rotate each so that it is perpendicular to the two others (thank the spork for three dimensions!), translate so that the center-points of their handles overlap, and meld the things together.
16:15:07 <fizzie> (Then try to take it with you to an airplane.)
16:21:33 <AnMaster> fizzie, eh. "thank the spork for ..."?
16:22:17 <fizzie> It's just the "thank the $deity for ..." sentence structure; I substituted the first thing that came to mind.
16:22:40 <fizzie> I'm not quite sure that the spork is actually the reason we have three dimensions, but you never know.
16:23:00 <AnMaster> fizzie, if it isn't, the real reason could be offended by that line
16:43:49 <ehird> mok lot of the ffot
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17:16:14 <AnMaster> "<TABLE BORDER="5" CONS=() WIDTH="800px">" <-- eh what?
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17:53:52 <ehird> today's xkcd is incidentally not funny
17:54:07 <ehird> but it's way too convoluted to actually be
17:55:30 <ehird> also, it uses the name megan. again
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18:12:11 <ais523> anyway, they fixed my computer problems by replacing the computer
18:12:16 <ais523> it turned out to be a bizzare hardware fault
18:12:28 <ais523> one of the temperature sensors was malfunctioning, so it kept thinking it was overheating
18:12:40 <ais523> and was spinning the fan up when off in an attempt to prevent the CPU catching fire
18:15:05 <AnMaster> ehird, I never said xkcd comic was funny
18:15:12 <ehird> I was just noting.
18:15:27 <ehird> shoulda just told it to HCF
18:15:46 <ais523> heh, you mean it wouldn't be trying to cool the CPU down on the assumption that the fire was deliberate?
18:15:48 <AnMaster> ais523, wouldn't that just require CPU or mobo replacement?
18:15:59 <AnMaster> I mean. that is where the sensors usually are
18:16:00 <ais523> AnMaster: yes, but they had a computer spare
18:16:10 <ais523> presumably they're going to replace the motherboard on the one they removed, and put it back into service
18:16:11 <ehird> ais523: either that, or at least it'd be cooling it for a legitimate reason
18:16:43 <ehird> wow, Windows 7's WordPad can open .odts
18:16:52 <ehird> i didn't expect that from Microsoft...
18:17:13 <ais523> it's probably using the Word filters
18:17:29 <ehird> I doubt it; bundling Office parts with Windows?
18:17:30 <ais523> Microsoft have complied with the letter of the OpenDocument standard for a few months now
18:17:32 <ehird> Microsoft would never do thaat
18:17:48 <ehird> .odt and .doc and .docx all suck just about equally, tbh
18:17:53 <ais523> although, it's in a way incompatible with most other .odt writers
18:18:02 <ehird> although .doc isn't XML, which makes it slightly less horrific
18:18:06 <ehird> isn't .odt a zip or something?
18:18:08 <ais523> and I'm not sure, I learnt how to process .ods by reading the file itself
18:18:26 <ais523> the format's a pretty clear one
18:18:29 <ehird> zipped xml is the craziest file format imaginable
18:18:33 <ais523> and admittedly, that is the sort of thing XML was invented for
18:18:34 <ehird> isn't .doc pretty well supported nowadays, anyway?
18:18:39 <ais523> you should see the docs for .doc
18:18:50 <ehird> ais523: I imagine the same applies to .odt
18:18:59 <ais523> (also, .docx is a huge misuse of XML; XML done well is bad enough, XML done badly is even worse)
18:19:04 <ehird> does anything even do .odt properly apart from OpenOffice?
18:19:17 <ais523> ehird: I heard KOffice does
18:19:26 <ais523> although, compatibility isn't all that good
18:19:41 <ais523> someone important in the OpenDocument committee did a compatibility test
18:19:44 <ehird> "Notepad, by the way, remains crap." — entire paragraph in Ars Technica's review of Windows 7
18:19:45 <AnMaster> who cares about that though. Mine are all *.tex
18:19:56 <ais523> and found that the major implementations, other than Microsoft Office, were about 80% compatible
18:20:06 <ais523> which is impressive from a programming standpoint but useless from a business standpoint
18:20:18 <ais523> Microsoft Office was 0% compatible, incidentally
18:20:22 <ehird> coooooool, windows 7 can boot from a .vhd
18:20:26 <ehird> which is a Virtual PC VM
18:20:36 <ais523> because =2+2 from OpenOffice becomes a literal 4 in Excel
18:20:43 <ehird> cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
18:20:44 <ais523> which is a really insane way to interpret formulae
18:20:59 <ehird> that happens in the really really short K spreadsheet
18:21:09 <ehird> if you edit the formulae it saves it as a literal
18:21:12 <ehird> (but adding one line more fixes this)
18:21:13 <ais523> Microsoft claim that this meets the letter of the spec because formulae aren't standardised yet
18:21:18 <ehird> one or two lines, I forget
18:21:44 <ehird> guys! windows 7 can boot from vm images? isn't that really cool :|
18:22:12 <AnMaster> <ehird> coooooool, windows 7 can boot from a .vhd
18:22:19 <AnMaster> if it is a VM, what did you expect?
18:22:34 <ehird> you can just add it to the bootloader
18:22:46 <ehird> windows 7's bootloader
18:22:49 <ehird> uses windows 7's kernel
18:22:53 <ehird> to boot a virtual pc vm
18:22:57 <ehird> and that is AWESOME
18:23:11 <AnMaster> ehird, can the kernel be stored *inside* that VM?
18:23:15 <ehird> The images themselves can be either .WIM images (as used in Vista), or .VHD (as used in Virtual PC). The ability to use VHD images allows the same image to be used across both virtual and physical hardware. Using a VHD with physical hardware depends on a new Windows 7 feature that allows direct booting from a VHD file; as a consequence, only Windows 7 (and Windows Server 2008 R2) can be deployed in this way. Manually deploying VHD images is surprisingly si
18:23:15 <ehird> install an image into the VHD and then add an entry for the VHD into the boot menu using bcdedit. They are also supported using the updated Windows Deployment Services found in Server 2008 R2.
18:23:23 <ehird> you can only boot windows 7 from it, though
18:23:26 <ehird> but it's still ccool
18:23:29 <ehird> AnMaster: it's a full HD image etc
18:23:34 <ehird> the windows 7 kernel supports being booted from a VHD
18:23:39 <ehird> and the bootloader works with t his
18:23:50 <ehird> cooler if it supported other OSs, but still cool!
18:24:01 <AnMaster> ehird, yawn they are rather unlikely to support *.vdi though
18:24:17 <ehird> are you criticising Microsoft for not giving up their competitive advantage?
18:24:25 <ehird> some people really do live in a fantasy world...
18:25:15 <ehird> it's targeted at business stuff that needs to deploy servers and stuff
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18:38:53 <fungot> ais523: " the result we proceed to divide, as you see, miss, this here ought to have a joke made, why don't you make one yourself?'
18:39:06 <ais523> Oranjer: you need to use proper capitalisation when talking to fungot
18:39:07 <fungot> ais523: fnord. sugar is sweet; some sweet things are unwholesome; no nice cakes are new ( fnord but the other looks fnord." " fnord, read the fnord! here, bill! will the roof fnord to go with fnord fnord! and such horrid fnord!"
18:39:18 <fungot> Available: agora alice* c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube
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18:39:26 <fungot> Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
18:39:40 <fungot> Oranjer: the assertation fnord in the article
18:39:53 <ais523> fungot: say something more interesting than that...
18:39:54 <fungot> ais523: finally, i suspect, has some... issues. ( my bad. :d
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18:41:07 <fungot> Oranjer: in 1991, the great tunb island was part of the consensus but i don't think that the t-x had any effect on the part the buddhist chroniclers of ceylon to give an idea of how many different sienas there are; then see fnord fnord like fnord is available at
18:41:28 <Oranjer> hey! I was born on an island in 1991!!!!
18:41:58 <fizzie> The wikipedia style is completely unfiltered, so sometimes fungot spews out talk page signatures and such.
18:41:59 <fungot> fizzie: while connected to a brain scanning device, the expert moderators of wikipedia must have a first division from class x onwards. final selection is made through interviews.
18:42:31 <fizzie> Ooh, I didn't know Wikipedia uses a brain scanning device to pick moderators.
18:42:42 <ais523> Wikipedia doesn't have moderators
18:42:48 <ais523> so the statement is vacuously true
18:42:55 <ais523> (well, /everyone's/ a moderator, I suppose)
18:43:29 <fizzie> Well, administrators, then.
18:43:48 <fizzie> That's how I read fungot's comment anyway.
18:43:48 <fungot> fizzie: 20:30, april 24, 2007.. fnord ( user fnord special:contributions/ fnord) 20:30, 12 september 2008 ( utc
18:43:58 <fizzie> Ha, and there's a signature, finally.
18:45:07 <ehird> [[Not even... I skimmed the first page, got to the bottom and saw it was a 15 page article. At that point I just thought to myself "15 pages, f* that" and closed the tab to come read the comments.]]
18:45:07 <ehird> these windows kids, dissatisfied with ars making a 15 page review
18:45:07 <ehird> you know us mac users
18:45:16 <ehird> we read every damn page of the ~22 page John Siracusa OS X reviews
18:45:47 <ais523> I actually read the whole review
18:45:58 <fizzie> I'm sure you like it "uphill both ways", but is that really a suitable topic of conversation in polite company?
18:46:23 <ehird> Siracusa's OS X reviews are better though.
18:47:03 <Oranjer> fungot, what OS do you use?
18:47:06 <fungot> Oranjer: fnord) refers to a list, that is required to watch this show. because, it was determined that " ln" should be " loser their vote."
18:47:16 <ehird> fungot runs on debian, doesn't e
18:47:17 <fungot> ehird: this article needs major editing and expanding. ( yes, it is possible to easily compare box office performance, and weekly with international box office and, once released on the net. information about census should not be wikilinked. span style="border: 1px solid fnord style="background: f8fcff; color: fnord 16:12, 22 may 2007 ( utc)
18:47:29 <ehird> information about census should not be wikilinked
18:47:45 <fizzie> ehird: Yes. You could even call it a double-Debian, since both the VM host and guest are Debians.
18:48:32 <ehird> "haha. you nailed me." —reddit
18:48:33 <ehird> I don't think that means what you think it means...
18:51:32 <AnMaster> <fungot> fizzie: while connected to a brain scanning device, the expert moderators of wikipedia must have a first division from class x onwards. final selection is made through interviews. <-- that was unusually coherent...
18:51:32 <fungot> AnMaster: " another back of the film
18:51:47 <ehird> it's futirist wikipedia
18:52:01 <ehird> they control the galaxy
18:52:05 <ehird> and are fully uploaded minds, no more bodies
18:56:39 <AnMaster> wow this build system was interesting
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20:14:17 <ais523> yay, the world doesn't actually end until 2220
20:14:23 <ais523> it seems that the 2012 date was a miscalculation
20:14:28 <ais523> and nobody had bothered to check it until now
20:18:51 <ais523> not the comic, the stylesheet
20:26:48 <fizzie> I doubt there's any browser that'd interpret the <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="QBASIC"> bit.
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20:27:36 <zzo38> If you have a Twitter account, can you fix this program to provide write access to Twitter, also? http://pastebin.ca/1644129
20:27:39 <ehird> ais523: miscalculation? seriously?
20:27:56 <ais523> 2012 is some sort of big astronomical event, not the end of the calendar
20:28:06 <ais523> well, astrological I suppose
20:28:07 <ehird> the calendar cycles
20:28:14 <ais523> well, the end of the cycle, I meant
20:28:15 <ehird> those who say otherwise are liars
20:28:47 <ais523> ah, 2012 is the sun crossing the galactic equator, it seems
20:29:07 <ais523> which Mayan astrologers thought was rather noteworthy, but which wasn't linked to the calendar
20:29:08 <zzo38> It is the end of the Mayan long-count, howevre it is still possible to extend the Mayan long-count to 13
20:29:22 <zzo38> (Or as long as you want)
20:29:43 <fizzie> Despite my best efforts to the contrary, I had to smile for few bits of that xkcd page source; notably, the part where there's a <SCRIPT LANGUAGE='SCHEME'> tag followed by the "eval" function from SICP's metacircular evaluator.
20:30:52 <zzo38> Which xkcd page is that?
20:31:06 <fizzie> The current front page.
20:31:14 <ais523> wow, I want to run that through the w3c validator now
20:31:42 <ais523> Result: 94 Errors, 22 warning(s)
20:32:08 <ais523> heh, the <HTML WEB="2.0"> drove it mad
20:32:26 <ehird> it doesn't have a midi
20:32:30 <zzo38> Ya, I can see many attributes and stuff that doesn't go
20:32:45 <ais523> geocities websites were all like that
20:32:47 <ais523> as was the advertising
20:32:48 <ehird> (else (error "Common Lisp or Netscape Navigator 4.0+ Required" exp))))
20:33:03 <ehird> but not generally so broken
20:33:08 <ehird> also, mostly with MIDIs.
20:33:15 <ehird> haha, there's an RDF
20:33:17 <ehird> commented out, though
20:33:19 <ais523> I remember how happy I was when I was young, and figured out how to make the awful JS on free hosting and free domain name services cancel each other out
20:33:23 <ehird> that's how you do embedded rdf
20:33:29 <ehird> wonder if anything can parse the rdf through that crap
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20:34:34 <zzo38> The Mozilla view-source is coloring the slash and part after it in the LANG= to red
20:35:05 <fizzie> It probably doesn't like the snowman there.
20:35:17 <zzo38> Truncated filenames
20:35:31 <ais523> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fxkcd.com&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 if you want some fun
20:35:39 <ais523> with all that, I'm surprised it even renders
20:36:23 <zzo38> It has a invalid image USELES~1.PNG
20:38:48 <ais523> well, based on the name it was probably useless anyway
20:40:57 <Azstal> I liked the <TABLE SHELL="REGEDIT.EXE">
20:41:10 <ais523> I can't even tell what that's /meant/ to do
20:41:22 <zzo38> Probably nothing. They just put it there for joke
20:41:47 <ais523> well, what it's pretending to be meant to do
20:43:17 * ais523 wonders if it would have been funnier if it validated perfectly
20:43:27 <ais523> or possibly, 0 errors, 1337 warnings, or something like that
20:45:27 <ehird> geocities is still running
20:45:50 <ais523> ehird: it closes down today, apparently
20:45:55 <ehird> thus why i said it
20:46:20 <ehird> they'd better hurry up
20:46:22 <zzo38> Do you have a Twitter account, are you able to fix the program to allow write access to Twitter, also. I don't have Twitter account, but some people does and I like to allow write-access so that people who do have account can use this feature
20:46:35 <ehird> Four hours and 14 minutes to go
20:46:44 <ehird> at least in the UK :P
20:48:56 <zzo38> Is the Japanese GeoCities still available for longer time? Someone told me it is, on another channel on another server
20:54:36 * pikhq notes that it doesn't validate using *any* HTML DTD.
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21:08:00 <ehird> I have often wondered why R5RS didn't have a procedure that accepts a
21:08:01 <ehird> string and returns a new string that is like the input one but with all
21:08:01 <ehird> the likely names of cats in it capitalized.
21:08:45 <ehird> — http://groups.google.com/group/plt-scheme/browse_thread/thread/eebf5af76f9d18c1/e0d312e913f4dbdb#e0d312e913f4dbdb
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21:18:49 <ehird> obliterate it already!
21:20:16 <ehird> IT MUST HAPPEN SO LET THE CARNAGE BE WROUGHT
21:20:23 <ehird> PILLARS OF DARKNESS WILL FILL THE SKY
21:20:27 <Oranjer> did you see xkcd's tribute?
21:20:37 <Oranjer> they redid the site! yaaay
21:20:39 <ehird> AND S'ARGT'RTYLRK'ALGROT'H WILL RISE AGAIN
21:20:54 <ehird> Oranjer: gtfo xkcd lover (ok ok so the redesign is good)
21:21:19 <Oranjer> I just wish Yahoo would save the info
21:21:26 <Oranjer> there was lotsa crazy shit on their
21:21:38 <ehird> it'll still be on disk
21:21:48 <ehird> we just have to get someone to buy them
21:21:56 <ehird> they're taking the servers down
21:22:03 <ehird> they haven't said what will happen to the disks
21:22:16 <ehird> think how long erasure would take, months!
21:22:20 <ehird> Oranjer: probably not just yet
21:22:33 <ehird> they don't need the disk yet.
21:22:34 <ehird> so it's a waste of resources
21:22:35 <Oranjer> I dunno, ehird, seems like a pointless gamble to me
21:22:44 <Oranjer> we should get the info now
21:22:47 <ehird> how is it a gaamble
21:23:05 <Oranjer> as in, we're risking the info on yahoo!'s generosity
21:23:18 <Oranjer> that they won't erase it *whenever* without telling us
21:27:19 <fizzie> Given that both textfiles.com -- http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1961 -- and archive.org -- http://www.archive.org/web/geocities.php -- have been trying to capture everything they can, I doubt it'll be a total loss anyway.
21:27:40 <ehird> The obscure, barely-linked-to pages, constituting like 90% of geocities, are what matters.
21:27:50 <ehird> They have scraped maybe 10% of Geocities together.
21:28:01 <ehird> Oranjer: it's not a risk because it's fucking THEIRS
21:28:14 <ehird> i'm risking my livelihood on my good judgement
21:28:21 <ehird> well yeah, technically
21:28:25 <ehird> but that's a bit misleading
21:28:54 <Oranjer> so our and Yahoo!'s interests never have to necessarily coincide
21:29:02 <ehird> someone mirror the BANCStar page
21:29:16 <ais523> I don't have anywhere to host it
21:29:19 <ais523> is it on the Web Archive?
21:29:28 <ehird> geocities isn't gone yet
21:29:30 <ehird> I'll save a web archive
21:29:35 <ehird> (safari's html+css+js+images+etc)
21:29:49 <ehird> nice to be able to click save and get a complete snapshot
21:29:55 <ehird> hey, what's the esolangs wiki article called?
21:31:47 <ais523> there isn't an esolang article on BANCstar
21:32:34 <ehird> ais523: link me to teh geocities; also that's a shitty reason
21:32:34 <ais523> ooh, deleted from Special:Undelete too
21:32:42 <ehird> probably graue on a power trip
21:32:52 <ehird> anyway got the geocities link?
21:32:56 <ais523> http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/tarpit/bancstar.html
21:34:00 <ehird> Shall I save the whole http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/tarpit/index.html?
21:34:12 <ehird> And his var'aq page.
21:34:52 <Oranjer> fungot, you must help us preserve geocities' data!
21:34:54 <fungot> Oranjer: ( restarting fnord). if improved after it has been claimed in the first strip, and was about to translate this article into a redirect is a political theory very different from existentialism, most notably 30 seconds to mars, but also mentioned at the beginning explaining that passchendaele is now called passendale and ypres is now called drug of abuse was absolutely not about fnord drugs, save a few lines.
21:35:09 <ehird> ais523: http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/index.html
21:35:21 <ehird> could you wget --mirror?
21:35:27 <ehird> no point in perfectly preserving them, too much effort
21:36:16 <ehird> LET IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUURM
21:36:47 <Oranjer> jesus fuckin' houdini that's the most common, most pathetic excuse I have ever heard
21:36:50 <ehird> http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/index.html
21:37:08 <ehird> someone might have the interp if it hasn't been saved and shit and who cares
21:39:04 <ehird> [[We’re pretty sure we have the first two completed. Again. WE THINK WE HAVE EVERY SITE FROM 1999 AND BEFORE ON GEOCITIES THAT WAS LEFT. (Update: My team is more inclined towards “most” than “all”.)]]
21:39:13 <ehird> Okay, that is impressive.
21:39:14 <AnMaster> parts of it I should have at least
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21:40:00 <ehird> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1961
21:40:04 <ehird> I thought you said night, AnMaster.
21:42:00 <fizzie> It must've been some kind of styrofoam fake-arrow.
21:42:13 <ehird> I want a fake styrofoam arrow.
21:42:37 <Oranjer> enough to point out things from far away?
21:43:13 <ehird> It'd be fake sized!
21:43:22 <ehird> But, err, size of a kid, I guess.
21:43:58 <Oranjer> smaller than a spear, bigger than a foam finger-hand
21:44:28 <AnMaster> ehird, the arrow wasn't on the same line as the word night was it?
21:44:40 <ehird> AnMaster sure does like those mind gagmes.
21:44:51 <ehird> Oranjer: kid-sized; literally.
21:45:01 <AnMaster> why did I read "gagmes" as "goatse"?
21:46:34 <HackEgo> 66|<Aftran> It looks like my hairs are too fat. Can you help me split them?
21:48:39 <HackEgo> 75|* ehird disables javascript
21:48:52 <HackEgo> 18|<fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know.
21:49:12 <Oranjer> heh, I did too, after a while
21:49:52 <FireFly[DS]> You're probably more used to that keyboard layout, though?
21:53:56 <FireFly[DS]> Yeah, since almost every homebrew uses their own virtual keyboard, few bothers to make it customisable
21:54:38 <Oranjer> I wish I had a tablet thingy
21:56:02 <FireFly[DS]> Yeah, well, plugging it into anything seems to short-circuit the power source :\
21:56:19 <AnMaster> <HackEgo> 75|* ehird disables javascript <-- nice one
21:56:34 <AnMaster> and good that you finally saw the right path. The light side of the browser.
21:56:52 <ehird> the context was being on a 400mhz arm running firefox.
21:57:04 <ehird> also, this promptly completely broke reddit, so i reversed it.
21:57:09 <ehird> also, you added that quote yourself.
21:57:13 <AnMaster> * FireFly[DS] found ` on the american qwerty layout <-- why are you using that?
21:57:48 <AnMaster> FireFly[DS], oops broken computer
21:58:39 <AnMaster> FireFly[DS], so use the warranty then
21:59:03 <AnMaster> otherwise I would suggest taking the old PSU you surely having lying around somewhere
22:00:04 <FireFly[DS]> And he has the warranty doxuments and stuff
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22:44:49 * pikhq mutters about make and mk failing at quoting forever
22:46:45 <oerjan> by definition i should think they can work in absolutely any way _except_ the normal one
22:47:19 * oerjan realizes "out of order" could be ambiguous
22:48:42 <madbrain> the technique I'm woring on is basically a huge stack based cpu, and it puts lots of operations in it and solves them "locally"
22:49:24 <pikhq> Why does mk not handle filenames with parenthesis in them... :(
22:51:06 <madbrain> for instance a*b + c*d is turned into a b * c d * +
22:51:23 <madbrain> and from there it can solve both a b * and c d * at the same time
22:54:37 <madbrain> obviously what limits this sort of stuff is (1) memory access dependencies (2) order of execution dependencies (3) feedback
22:54:54 <AnMaster> pikhq, I can't imagine such filenames...
22:56:16 <ais523> AnMaster: CLC-INTERCAL used to have a space in its filename
22:56:17 <ehird> [21:49] pikhq: Why does mk not handle filenames with parenthesis in them... :(
22:56:20 <ais523> which exposed a bug in mandb
22:56:26 <ehird> AnMaster: it's easy to imagine: NAME YOUR FILES WHAT THEY ARE
22:56:39 <AnMaster> hm would it be "glareee" or "glaree"?
22:56:44 <ehird> there are names of pieces of music with parentheses in them
22:57:04 <ehird> just because you live in a world where manipulating files that aren't all-fucked-up-like-this is near-impossible doesn't mean everyone else does
22:57:12 <ais523> AnMaster: I've never heard of either word
22:57:23 <ehird> I checked in the dictionary
22:57:27 <AnMaster> ais523, well it is obvious "glare" and "ee" ending.
22:57:39 <ehird> it's a stupid word
22:57:46 <ais523> but it's coined in any case
22:57:58 <ehird> seriously, don't use that word
22:58:01 <ehird> it sounds retarded
22:58:05 <madbrain> register writes can be dealt with by turning registers into buses... each read instruction waits until the bus becomes valid and then reads, each write instruction stops the bus from propagating downwards and replace it with their own bus, wait until their data is ready and then propagate downwards
22:58:09 <ehird> pikhq: which port? or are you using p9
22:58:14 <AnMaster> surely this is well known in English
22:58:28 <ehird> pikhq: define not handle; show your mkfile
22:58:30 <AnMaster> ais523, ehird: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ee
22:58:45 <madbrain> memory writes can be dealt with in a similar manner but you have to wait at least for the memory address to be ready
22:58:47 <ais523> AnMaster: that doesn't work on general words
22:58:52 <pikhq> %.ogg: %.flac oggenc "$prereq" -o "$target"
22:58:57 <ehird> glareee as in someone who glares?
22:59:01 <pikhq> ... Why did it omit a newline?
22:59:09 <ais523> oh, someone who is glared at
22:59:10 <AnMaster> <ehird> glareee as in someone who glares? <-- who is glared at
22:59:14 <ais523> the someone who glares would be a glarer
22:59:19 <ais523> and "glaree" in that case, I usppose
22:59:20 <ehird> pikhq: sec, lemme look at mk
22:59:43 * pikhq is at least glad that mk handles *spaces* in filenames correctly
22:59:45 <AnMaster> why was that question so confusing?
23:00:02 <ehird> pikhq: firstly, why the quotes? iirc mk handles that for you
23:00:22 <ehird> also, `man mk` uses $stem.ext instead of $prereq/$target
23:00:30 <pikhq> ehird: It didn't handle that correctly.
23:00:31 <pikhq> Though that's because of /bin/sh's quoting.
23:00:32 <AnMaster> pikhq, I can't imagine anyone preferring ogg over flac :/
23:00:37 <ehird> <tab>oggenc $stem.ogg -o $stem.flac
23:00:45 <ehird> pikhq: use rc not sh
23:00:49 <ehird> seriously, using mk with sh is just ugh
23:00:59 <ehird> AnMaster: PORTABLE MUSIC PLAYERS DON'T EXIST
23:01:02 <pikhq> ehird: Alright, I'll change the MKSHELL.
23:01:09 <ehird> pikhq: just omit it, it defaults to rc
23:01:12 <ehird> unless plan9port futzes that up
23:01:17 <AnMaster> ehird, true. I need *.aac for my phone's ring tunes
23:01:19 <pikhq> ehird: plan9port defaults to rc.
23:01:36 <ehird> so just omit the MKSHELL
23:03:14 <pikhq> Now I get "missing closing quote", because of a single ' in the filename.
23:03:22 <ehird> pikhq: there is a way to do this
23:03:45 <pikhq> Yeah, I'm aware there *is* a way. I'm just trying to figure that out. ;)
23:03:57 <ehird> <tab>oggenc '$stem.ogg' -o '$stem.flac'
23:04:04 <ehird> target and prereq are used
23:04:26 <ehird> target/prereq are uesd when it doesn't use %s
23:04:29 <ehird> so yeah, my last attempt stands
23:04:36 <ehird> Regular expression meta–rules:
23:04:36 <ehird> ([^/]*)/(.*)\.$O:R: \1/\2.c
23:04:37 <ehird> cd $stem1; $CC $CFLAGS $stem2.c
23:04:41 <ehird> ok, I didn't know you could do THAT
23:05:03 <ehird> [[The recipes printed by mk before being passed to rc for execution are sometimes erroneously expanded for printing. Don't trust what's printed; rely on what rc does.]]
23:05:09 <ehird> (it doesn't go line-by-line like make)
23:07:02 * pikhq still sees "missing closing quote".
23:07:59 <ehird> pikhq: with my mkfile?
23:08:13 <pikhq> missing closing quote: I'm Waiting For.ogg
23:08:17 * AnMaster tries to understand the magnitude of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway_chained_arrow_notation and fails
23:08:31 <ehird> AnMaster: you can't understand the magnitude ofa million either
23:08:39 <ehird> the command it prints
23:08:43 <ehird> worth having a look
23:08:47 <pikhq> That's the full output.
23:08:58 <ehird> pikhq: do you have it as a quiet target thing?
23:09:02 <AnMaster> ehird, If I understand that page correctly 3→3→3→3 is larger than Graham's number
23:09:03 <ehird> if not, that's a mk error; not in the target
23:09:11 <ehird> pikhq: paste the whole mkfile?
23:09:27 <pikhq> MKSHELL=$PLAN9/bin/rc
23:09:35 <pikhq> <tab>oggenc '$stem.flac' -o '$stem.ogg'
23:09:45 <ehird> pikhq: ok, and you're just doing "mk"?
23:09:49 <ehird> I mean, mk needs arguments...
23:10:11 <pikhq> mk Mmhmm/01\ -\ The\ One\ I\'m\ Waiting\ For.ogg
23:10:44 <ehird> okay, so that's clearly a mk problem
23:10:50 <ehird> have you tried quoting it instead of doing \ all over the place :P
23:11:07 <pikhq> That's just the shell auto-escaping on tab completion.
23:11:19 <ehird> right, it looks like it's escaping fine
23:11:27 <pikhq> mk "Mmhmm/01 - The One I'm Waiting For.flac" ;# Equivalent, and results in the same.
23:11:39 <ehird> for shits and giggles move it to I''m
23:11:45 <ehird> would be interesting to see how it reacts.
23:12:23 <pikhq> oggenc '$stem.flac' -o '$stem.ogg'
23:12:23 <pikhq> ERROR: Cannot open input file "$stem.flac": No such file or directory
23:12:23 <pikhq> mk: oggenc '$stem.flac' -o '$stem.ogg' : exit status=exit(1)
23:12:34 <ehird> the quotes stop expansion
23:13:23 <ehird> pikhq: what does mk claim the command as?
23:13:23 <pikhq> Apparently mk hates *quotes* in filenames. :(
23:13:26 <pikhq> Quoting is very hard, it seems.
23:13:36 <pikhq> oggenc Mmhmm/01 - The One I''m Waiting For.flac -o Mmhmm/01 - The One I''m Waiting For.ogg
23:13:39 <ehird> quoting sucks because stupid things are based on string expansion
23:13:47 <oerjan> AnMaster: actually i hadn't even looked at the page
23:13:49 <ehird> pikhq: put an echo before the rc command
23:13:53 <ehird> so that rc can tell what it actually sees
23:13:59 <ehird> well, that won't work perfectly, but
23:14:11 <AnMaster> oerjan, You know it since before I assume.
23:14:41 <AnMaster> oerjan, what do you normally work with then in math
23:14:46 * pikhq goes to get food; will be back
23:14:50 <ehird> AnMaster: not such large numbers.
23:15:05 <AnMaster> ehird, well ok. But there are lots of other things to select from
23:15:13 <AnMaster> I wanted something more specific :p
23:15:51 <ehird> I imagine oerjan just doesn't work in that pathological domain.
23:16:08 <AnMaster> ehird, indeed. Maybe in analysis?
23:16:28 <ehird> Didn't he link to one of his papers?
23:17:00 <ehird> Like a year or so ago. He should relink it
23:17:10 <ehird> (I tried finding it but there are a TON of oerjan johannsenns)
23:17:16 <ehird> (I probably mangled his last name there)
23:17:31 <AnMaster> ehird, try ö instead of oe, Or maybe ø
23:17:37 <oerjan> er a ton of Ørjan Johansens that are mathematical, i doubt
23:17:42 <ehird> Uh, yes, slashed o.
23:17:48 <ehird> I meant his LAST name.
23:17:59 <ehird> I don't... care...
23:18:11 <ehird> oerjan: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=Ørjan+Johansen+paper&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
23:18:59 <ehird> LINK IT LIKE A GREEN
23:19:42 <oerjan> link shmink i don't even remember where they are
23:20:04 <ehird> "I don't even remember what they were about!"
23:21:04 <Deewiant> ehird: You're doing it wrong. http://scholar.google.fi/scholar?q=Ørjan+Johansen
23:21:17 <ehird> You're doing it wrong, because I can't read Finnish.
23:21:21 <ehird> Also, I didn't know thaht site even existed.
23:21:29 <ehird> Also, there are way too many results there to be him. Um, probably.
23:21:35 <ehird> I doubt "A multimedia approach to TV-media literacy" is him.
23:21:38 <Deewiant> It's in English for me, don't blame me for Google's inane auto-redirection
23:22:07 <ehird> Anyway, there's no way to figure out which are him
23:22:12 <Deewiant> And don't blame me, I got there from .com.
23:22:48 <Deewiant> If you have nothing to say then just SAY NOTHING
23:23:07 <oerjan> dammit y key is randoly malfunctioning
23:24:04 <ehird> That's horrible. Are you okay? U, I hope you are okay. It would be very bad... argh, I don't use m much
23:24:33 <oerjan> incidentally all y papers were cowritten with either Richard Gjerde or Alf Rustad
23:26:08 <Deewiant> So the top three are probably all relevant
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23:27:28 <oerjan> the top tree ay vary by country, you know
23:28:16 <AnMaster> oerjan, would G_64 followed by G_64 ! be larger or smaller than A(G_64,G_64)
23:28:35 <ehird> I think AnMaster thinks advanced mathematics means inane questions about really big numbers and really exploding functions
23:28:45 <AnMaster> ehird, that is *one* part of it
23:28:53 <ehird> A obviously grows much faster than !
23:28:56 <AnMaster> an interesting part too. For some values of interesting
23:28:58 <ehird> and if you put one iota of thought into it...
23:29:23 <AnMaster> ehird, well. I was wondering when repeated that number of times. But guess it doesn't matter...
23:29:24 <ehird> what does that t even mean?
23:29:27 <ehird> concatenating the digits?
23:29:33 <ehird> that's a ridiculous operation
23:29:35 <AnMaster> ehird, as in G_64!!! is three times
23:29:44 <oerjan> h interesting they're not all behind paywalls as i feared: http://www.mscand.dk/article.php?id=153 is readable
23:29:49 <ehird> well, A is biggter
23:29:56 <ehird> A uses G64 to grow G64 too
23:30:01 <ehird> in the same way that your ! thing does
23:30:08 <ehird> but A grows faster than that, almost certainly
23:30:18 <ehird> so my answer to your inane question is that the latter is bigger
23:30:26 <AnMaster> ehird, wasn't sure when there were so many ! that was all
23:30:28 <ehird> oerjan: sweet, I don't understand a fucking word
23:30:39 <ehird> AnMaster: you could have just worked it out from smaller numbers and used induction...
23:30:55 <oerjan> i guess there is readable and there is readable
23:30:56 <AnMaster> ehird, well true. Would have been a lot more work.
23:31:11 <ehird> it'd have been much less overall
23:31:16 <AnMaster> ehird, yes. That is what it alls boil down to
23:31:24 <ehird> Deep. Actually, no, not deep.
23:32:55 <ehird> Brought to you by the Department of Not Noticing An Almost-Identical Typo in the Very Next Wor,d Incorporat.ed
23:34:01 <ais523> ehird: is not correcting the second typo intentional?
23:34:15 <ais523> in that case, is either truly a typo?
23:38:21 <oerjan> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
23:39:02 <AnMaster> and that is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_license in this case
23:39:24 <AnMaster> for which the wikipedia article just differs by the case of one letter
23:39:32 <ais523> the name of the license was chosen deliberately, ofc
23:39:33 <AnMaster> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_License that is)
23:40:01 <ais523> AnMaster: you're starting to sound worryingly like zzo38, stop it
23:40:11 <ais523> only zzo38 can be zz038
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23:40:21 <ais523> but, you're not all the way there yet
23:40:40 <ais523> AnMaster: that pointing-out of the case difference
23:40:46 <oklopol> wait is that oerjan's thesis
23:41:46 <oklopol> no wait i'm going with thesis
23:42:02 <oerjan> oklopol: no, just one paper from it
23:42:53 <oklopol> oh, right, i just scrolled down and happened to see a 100
23:43:35 <oklopol> is gjerde your evil alter ego
23:44:32 <oerjan> he actually changed into professional programming after finishing his thesis, actually
23:45:09 <ehird> is professional really needed? "i work in amateur programming"
23:45:24 <fizzie> Barely legal amateur programmers.
23:45:29 <pikhq> ehird: So, any idea why mk hates single quotes?
23:45:41 <ehird> pikhq: Sure — second
23:46:22 <ehird> fizzie: "barely legal" isamusing
23:46:35 <ehird> oklopol: makefile processor thingy from plan 9
23:46:37 <ehird> like make but better
23:46:55 <oklopol> would have to be a *lot* better
23:46:58 <oerjan> oklopol: we do, however, have the same tendency for puns
23:47:12 <ais523> the opposite of the way in which GNU make is 'better'?
23:47:17 <ehird> ais523: sends whole rule as a block instead of line-by-line
23:47:17 <oklopol> oerjan: so the thesis is probably full of them?
23:47:23 <ehird> you can quiet an entire rule
23:47:25 <oerjan> oklopol: alas i don't think so
23:47:27 <ehird> instead of tons of @s
23:47:31 <ehird> variable expansion is MUCH saner
23:47:34 <ais523> what if you want to quiet half a rule?
23:47:46 <ehird> echo out the commands you want to show :P
23:47:58 <ehird> ais523: since it sends everything out as a block, you can do conditions and shit without the \ mess
23:48:03 <ais523> I'm sure that can't be the right answer, that would suckmore
23:49:54 <ehird> the real answer is don't
23:50:24 <ais523> what about suppressing errors on half a rule?
23:50:27 <ais523> that's quite a sensible operation
23:50:42 <ais523> I suppose you could write || true on the lines in question, but it's not quite the same thing
23:50:44 <ehird> split your rule up; also, make doesn't have any special support for that
23:51:29 <fizzie> GNU Make does; that's the "-" prefix.
23:51:45 <ais523> oh, I didn't realise it was a GNUism
23:51:48 <ehird> mk sucks less for things people actually do.
23:51:58 <ehird> oh, it also handles C dependencies sanely, iicr
23:52:00 <fizzie> It might be a non-gnuism too, GNU make's the only thing I know to have it.
23:52:03 <pikhq> Straight UNIX make really doesn't do all that much.
23:52:07 <ehird> you can inject stuff into the mkfile
23:52:20 <ehird> it's been a while since I used it, though
23:52:28 <ehird> allmost found something
23:53:05 <fizzie> Though if the commands are just shell commands like in Make, I assume you could use something like a "|| true" suffix.
23:53:06 <ehird> http://code.swtch.com/plan9port/src/tip/src/cmd/mk/
23:53:14 <ehird> pikhq: feel free to dig in http://code.swtch.com/plan9port/src/tip/src/cmd/mk/ with me :P
23:53:22 <ehird> fizzie: Yes, the whole block is executed as a shell script
23:55:49 <ehird> bit of a wild goose chase this
23:56:12 <ehird> pikhq: by this point, I'd just write a python shell script with a function if modtime blah blah blah, system('...') and then like
23:56:24 <ehird> files = file.glob whatever
23:56:36 <ehird> yeah, it's a pain to recreate a make system but it's a few lines and this mk problem is truly puzzling
23:56:43 <pikhq> ehird: So, what you're saying is "someone needs to write a Make-like that doesn't suck."
23:56:50 <ehird> mk almost doesn't suck :(
23:56:59 <ehird> pikhq: the problem is that working with non-crappy filenames on unix sucks
23:57:03 <ehird> and make-like stuff is quite unixy
23:57:12 <ehird> someone needs to make a unix-like system that doesn't involve string interpolation...
23:57:31 <pikhq> Yeah, unixy string handling is quite bad.
23:57:50 <pikhq> Which is quite irritating, since UNIX does so damned much string handling.
23:58:57 <ehird> I was going to say something about it being such a shame that Unix is still being used by most people, but then I realised that most people use something even worse.