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01:00:30 <ion> http://i.imgur.com/Iof5s.jpg
01:01:31 <Gregor> Please tell me that's real Finnish.
01:01:45 <ion> It is indeed.
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01:21:18 <zzo38> OK, I am back now
01:27:22 <Sgeo> zzo38, wb'
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02:13:22 <zzo38> I have made a table to review four online quiz systems: Internet Quiz Engine, Quizilla, OkCupid, and FunTrivia. Some information I got from Wikipedia, some by trying, and the first one is my own program. If you have information about these, or suggest for additional systems to compare, tell me please.
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02:14:27 <zzo38> Do you know the maximum number of questions and maximum choices per question and maximum number of results for Quizilla? Do you know what programming language Quizilla and FunTrivia are written in?
02:15:10 <quintopia> zzo38: what are your requirements for "quiz system"? does something like surveymonkey count?
02:16:18 <zzo38> quintopia: No. (Although I may make a way to conduct polls using IRC, in future.) (Also, if you have any feature suggestion of Internet Quiz Engine, tell me that too.)
02:16:30 <zzo38> (Or, if you have any comparison rows to suggest in the table.)
02:16:59 <quintopia> zzo38: define "quiz system"
02:17:35 <zzo38> quintopia: It is difficult. I used Wikipedia's article about "Online quiz" for now
02:18:18 <quintopia> i didnt even know okc was still supporting their quiz system
02:18:25 <zzo38> (There is a German service there, but I do not know well reading German, so I will omit that one unless someone can provide me all the information for each row in the table)
02:20:23 <zzo38> quintopia: As far as I can tell, they are, and no account is required to run the quiz editor on OkCupid, either. And it appears to have some similarities to Internet Quiz Engine.
02:21:15 <zzo38> gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/textfile/miscellaneous/onlinequiz.txt
02:22:34 <zzo38> If any information is incorrect or missing, and you know the correct entry, please notify me.
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06:02:38 * pikhq_ mutters
06:02:50 <pikhq_> Why would you stick upscaled video on a Bluray?
06:03:18 <pikhq_> "Yeah, uh, it was originally 480i, but... Fuck you, we're giving you 1080p with no gain in quality."
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06:44:14 <olsner> pikhq_: because the bluray sells for more money?
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06:49:23 <pikhq_> No reason you couldn't stick better-compressed 480i or 480p video on there though.
06:50:07 <olsner> maybe if you do that you can't stick that HD 1080p logo on the back of it
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07:03:21 <fizzie> You can't stick in 480p video, it's not legal.
07:03:50 <fizzie> The primary video stream must be one of six "HD" formats, or one of two (480i at NTSC rates, 576i at PAL) "SD" ones.
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07:05:08 <fizzie> (C.f. http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Audio_Visual_Application_Format_Specifications-18780.pdf pages 14-15, "Primary video stream".)
07:06:04 <pikhq> Almost all 480p video is 480p24... And one of the weirder things about MPEG-2 container formats is it's possible to mux 480p24 so that it plays back as a 480i30 stream, which *ought* to be legal on Blu-ray...
07:06:18 <pikhq> (it is on DVDs, and is *extensively* used)
07:06:58 <fizzie> "720x480x59.94-i" is the 480i format, if that's what you mean, yes.
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07:07:15 <pikhq> Blah, yeah, that.
07:07:53 <pikhq> ... Wait, it's 720x480? The single most ridiculous choice of resolutions?
07:08:21 <fizzie> That's what the pdf above says.
07:08:35 <pikhq> Kay, so the people who did Blu-ray were clueless.
07:08:57 <fizzie> It also says that "real" 480p24 (and 480p23.976) is allowed in the secondary video stream.
07:09:18 <fizzie> (For the picture-in-picture feature.)
07:10:24 <pikhq> 720x480 includes the nominal analogue blanking, making it the single least convenient digital video resolution to deal with.
07:10:58 <pikhq> And so nearly everything handles it wrong, instead just playing it as straight 4:3 or 16:9.
07:11:17 <cheater__> haha
07:12:12 <pikhq> Instead of either playing it at the appropriate pixel aspect ratio, or imitating analog TV behavior by displaying the active picture area as 4:3 or 16:9.
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07:27:28 <fizzie> Well, I mean, one assumes they're following the DVD-Video spec there; according to secondary sources (the official isn't anywhere, of course) it allows (for NTSC) 720x480 and 704x480, but actual "anamorphic" 16:9 only when the "full-D1" (720x480) resolution is used.
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07:31:55 <pikhq> *Nice* violation of Rec. 601 there.
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08:01:06 <Taneb> Hello
08:19:20 <zzo38> I played very short Dungeons&Dragons today
08:19:33 <Taneb> Were you all dwarves and halflings?
08:19:35 <Taneb> (hur hur)
08:21:23 <Taneb> But go on
08:21:24 <Taneb> Unless you are going on and I've lost connection, which is a distinct possibility
08:21:24 <Taneb> @ping
08:21:24 <Taneb> Yep, I've lost connection
08:21:24 <lambdabot> pong
08:21:25 <Taneb> Bye!
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08:22:48 <zzo38> Taneb: No. It is continuation of the same game as before, just a session of a short duration.
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09:01:23 <Sgeo> o.O new DF
09:01:29 <Sgeo> What will be the new nickname?
09:01:34 <Sgeo> DF2012 is taken
09:06:32 <Phantom_Hoover> what
09:06:32 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
09:06:41 <Phantom_Hoover> it'll still be df2012
09:06:55 <Phantom_Hoover> toady's released like 4 non-save-compatible updates thus far
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09:09:46 <Taneb> Hello
09:10:36 <Taneb> Does this mean I'll have to start my fortress AGAIN!?
09:26:08 <cheater__> don't pretend it hasn't been ransacked yet
09:26:42 <Madoka-Kaname> Phantom_Hoover, is this one non-save-compatible still?
09:28:37 <Phantom_Hoover> Yes.
09:28:50 <Phantom_Hoover> It's half the reason I'm get to properly get back into DF.
09:29:11 <Phantom_Hoover> It's... really not a game for backwards compatibility.
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09:29:40 <Sgeo> Phantom_Hoover, I think the notes say that it is save-compatible?
09:30:10 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh? Good.
09:30:45 <Phantom_Hoover> omg minecarts look so fun
09:30:59 <Phantom_Hoover> particularly since they look so weaponisable
09:31:23 <Taneb> To my knowledge, Minecraft only has 5 non-save-compatible families
09:31:40 <Phantom_Hoover> The first 4 are presumably all really old?
09:31:51 <Taneb> No, the last 3 are on different platforms
09:31:56 <Taneb> There's classic and indev
09:32:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Oh, mobile and 360.
09:32:16 <Taneb> And then infdev/alpha/beta/"full" release
09:32:22 <Taneb> And mobile and 360
09:32:33 <Taneb> I believe iOS and Android versions are co-compatible
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09:46:03 <Madoka-Kaname> Taneb, really?
09:46:11 <Madoka-Kaname> I thought on the PC, there have been 4 formats so far.
09:46:27 <Taneb> Yeah, but they included converters
09:46:28 <Madoka-Kaname> Classic, Beta, first file-system like format, Anvil
09:46:41 <Taneb> And there's been more than that
09:46:51 <Madoka-Kaname> IIRC, there was one before NBT too
09:47:32 <Taneb> Classic and Indev had their own formats
09:48:24 <Taneb> There's Alpha format, Region format, then Anvil format
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10:28:14 <Sgeo> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Fuel
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10:30:11 <monqy> me too
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10:31:01 <Taneb> PatashuXantheres, you're getting longer
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10:33:32 <Taneb> On another note, Homestuck Anthem still sounds like a ping-pong match to me
10:42:49 <fizzie> Taneb: Homestuck Anthem and a ping-pong match are identical for all in-game purposes.
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13:35:48 <cheater_> kmc: 'sup bro
13:36:39 <cheater_> and bro is of course short for brogrammer
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14:09:54 <itidus21> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1989-05-28/
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14:18:48 <kmc> the truth about the world is that crime does pay
14:21:35 <itidus21> so if you leave now then who's gonna play?
14:22:14 <itidus21> [or some similar post]
14:22:48 <itidus21> cos i'd like to think the world was a better place
14:23:01 <itidus21> i'd like to leave the world as a better place
14:23:35 <itidus21> ^so if you walk away, then who's gonna stay?
14:24:28 <itidus21> [or some similar post]
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14:36:01 <kmc> itidus21 understands
14:37:10 <itidus21> but i acknowledge that it doesn't mean i agree.. nor that i get the meaning of it
14:37:37 <itidus21> not that i don't want to agree or anything
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14:51:25 <itidus21> https://images.4chan.org/mu/src/1336752176872.png :>
14:51:46 <itidus21> i still had that open in my browser
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15:00:38 <cheater_> itidus21: 404
15:00:52 <itidus21> ok
15:01:36 <itidus21> it was that nef quintero thing
15:05:07 <cheater_> oh yeah, gotta love that nef quintero thing
15:05:41 <cheater_> (i.e. no idea what you mean)
15:10:44 <quintopia> nef quintero sounds vaguely familiar
15:11:10 <Taneb> Sounds a bit like something Intel might do
15:14:46 <cheater_> haha yes
15:14:50 <cheater_> although: http://www.facebooktroll.com/2011/06/nef-quintero-is-going-to-hack-into-your-computers-and-beat-you-up/
15:14:52 <cheater_> heh
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15:30:49 <itidus21> i'm starting to see things from nef's point of view though
15:31:18 <Taneb> itidus21, read Timecube, tell me how it goes
15:32:00 <itidus21> i have heard of timecube.. i don't want to mess my head up any further honestly
15:32:55 <itidus21> i ended up on one such page.. it was bad enough
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15:36:57 <cheater_> http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/05/15/congratulations-on-the-divorce-norway/
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15:42:45 <itidus21> i guess nef is what i would be if i was more aggressive, rude and risk-taking sort of person
15:43:52 <Taneb> And 20 years younger
15:44:05 <Taneb> :P
15:45:42 <itidus21> gradually i am coming to terms with the core ultimatums, tradeoffs, and decisions of life
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16:24:50 <zzo38> How to compare yesterday's temperature with today?
16:26:08 <cheater_> how is temperature compard?
16:27:03 <Taneb> I'd say about the same?
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16:28:57 <cheater_> Taneb: best optimization ever.
16:30:40 <zzo38> I mean in the city I am at
16:30:57 <Taneb> Which city'd that be?
16:31:02 <zzo38> Actually, I mean in Vancouver, BC, which is near where I am at
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16:32:12 <Taneb> I'd say probably cooler, given the data I've found in 30 secs of looking
16:48:51 <cheater_> what
16:49:00 <cheater_> ubuntu 12.04 installer displays @ubuntu tweets.
16:49:05 <cheater_> the fuck.
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17:23:21 <quintopia> "There exist NP-complete problems for which the best known running times have the form O(2^(n^c)) for c < 1, and if the best possible running time for 3-SAT were of this form..."
17:23:51 <quintopia> Why does this say "if"? doesn't a subexponential time algorithm for any NP-complete problem imply a subexponential time algorithm for 3-SAT?
17:24:45 <quintopia> (namely by running the reduction of 3-SAT to that other problem, which involves solving that other problem a polynomial number of times)
17:25:00 <kmc> cheater_: wow
17:28:45 <cheater_> you know what they should do
17:28:50 <cheater_> dump you onto #ubuntu
17:28:51 <cheater_> and have you chat
17:28:56 <cheater_> it'd be like unreal tournament
17:29:02 <cheater_> have you ever played unreal tournament, kmc?
17:29:33 <cheater_> it has a multiplayer server browser
17:29:58 <cheater_> and it automatically connected to #utgames on some irc server
17:30:21 <cheater_> i used to know the admin of that thing
17:30:27 <cheater_> at some point he got tired of tens of thousands of clients constantly connecting and disconnecting
17:30:41 <cheater_> and blocked the unreal tournament irc client from connecting at all
17:30:45 <cheater_> lolz abound
17:35:03 <cheater_> so kmc, while this yii guy is still trying to figure out my cv (he's sending me questions about it) i got contacted by some guy today for some other php job
17:35:29 <cheater_> apparently i need to know OOP PHP5.
17:36:14 <cheater_> and i need to know how to write APIs.
17:36:31 <cheater_> no sorry
17:36:37 <cheater_> "develop" APIs
17:37:24 <cheater_> and it's a good to have if i can build high availability clusters
17:41:11 <cheater_> kmc: come to europe and write clusters with me
17:41:18 <cheater_> we'll implement NFS over HTTPS
17:41:20 <kmc> where in europe
17:41:29 <cheater_> i thought you kept up with my migrations
17:41:42 <cheater_> it's local to where i live
17:41:50 <cheater_> because fuck moving for a job right now
17:42:54 <cheater_> actually we could implement NFS over Token Ring over Frame Relay over RS-485 over UDP over HTTP
17:43:14 <kmc> yes
17:43:25 <kmc> RS-485 for the win
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17:51:14 <cheater_> kmc if i have an URL which applies to many reddits then can i link it to all of them
17:51:22 <cheater_> or something
17:51:28 <cheater_> not sure if my wording is correct
17:51:37 <cheater_> i'm not up to it when it comes to new things
17:51:42 <kmc> i don't know a way other than submitting indivdually to each
17:52:08 <cheater_> yea but is this 1. possible 2. allowed
17:52:15 <cheater_> and also 3. dongs
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17:54:37 <kmc> i've done it many times and haven't been yelled at
17:54:40 <kmc> but i kind of hate reddit
17:54:47 <kmc> but i still submit there because i want my things to be seen
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17:57:40 <cheater_> haha
17:57:42 <cheater_> same here.
17:57:51 <kmc> actually there's no "kind of"
17:57:52 <cheater_> reddit is the scum of the earth
17:57:53 <cheater_> kind of like irc
17:58:00 <kmc> heh
17:58:15 <cheater_> so kmc
17:58:16 <cheater_> move here
17:58:18 <cheater_> we have Bier
17:58:21 <cheater_> and Oktoberfest
17:58:25 <cheater_> and Grossbusige Frauen
17:58:49 <cheater_> or Stahlharte Jungs if you prefer that sort of thing
17:58:50 <kmc> heh
17:58:55 <kmc> i learned a new word today
17:58:58 <kmc> thanks cheater_
17:59:07 <cheater_> was it
17:59:13 <cheater_> Zygohistopreproconfluence
17:59:21 <kmc> no it was Grossbusige
17:59:22 <cheater_> that's two words
17:59:28 <zzo38> Stop cheating
17:59:30 <cheater_> so what was your word
17:59:32 <cheater_> oh
17:59:32 <cheater_> ok
17:59:36 <AnotherTest> cheater_: we have bier in Belgium too!
17:59:41 <cheater_> actually it uses scharfes-s
17:59:48 <cheater_> AnotherTest: but not Bier
17:59:59 <AnotherTest> Like Großbusige?
18:00:04 <cheater_> yes, like that.
18:00:19 <kmc> Bier und großbusige Frauen und Schnellzüge
18:00:25 <AnotherTest> Well the dutch word is 'bier'(without the capital)
18:00:33 <cheater_> Heiße Großbusige Fickstuten
18:01:00 <AnotherTest> Ich spreiche leider nicht gut Deutsch.
18:01:02 <cheater_> AnotherTest: exactly, that means the edit distance IS NOT ZERO
18:01:07 <kmc> what's Fickstuten
18:01:20 <AnotherTest> Aber Ich studiere Deutsch.
18:01:21 <cheater_> it's a composite word
18:01:48 <kmc> faustfick
18:01:49 <cheater_> Stute is a female equine
18:02:15 <cheater_> kmc: you should capitalize that, otherwise you're not allowed to perform the action
18:04:02 <AnotherTest> Hm. German is a nice language, at least I think.
18:04:09 <Taneb> Ich haben ein nicht knowledge of the German language
18:04:21 <cheater_> hahaha
18:04:24 <cheater_> Taneb: wins
18:04:31 <cheater_> @trollcoins +100 Taneb
18:04:31 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
18:05:31 <cheater_> wow lambdabot you are so uncool
18:05:42 <cheater_> everyone knows trollcoins are the new, free currency
18:05:50 <kmc> the free currency that anyone can edit
18:06:55 <cheater_> hahahah
18:07:07 <cheater_> @trollcoins +100 kmc
18:07:07 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
18:07:15 <cheater_> damnit lambdabot why are you so retarded
18:07:28 <cheater_> why won't you ever learn when we're talking to you
18:07:47 <cheater_> so kmc, i've been thinking about this whole issue of a child learning for years how to do the most basic things
18:07:55 <cheater_> and the AIs not having that much time to themselves
18:08:37 <cheater_> and i think that's kind of bullshit, because people should be able to play back courses to the AI in accelerated time
18:08:42 <cheater_> kind of like a unit test
18:08:51 <cheater_> or a selenium test
18:09:13 <cheater_> brr, my blood chills when i think of an AI raised with a selenium test suite
18:09:47 <cheater_> but wouldn't that be absolutely amazing
18:10:12 <cheater_> to be able to create an intelligence, and finely tune every aspect of its psyche by being able to rewrite every moment in its upbringing
18:10:36 <cheater_> you could have it not only trained by the most amazing people in the world, but also have them go back and fix possible issues
18:11:02 <cheater_> it'd be like the road to perfecting the human psyche
18:11:12 <cheater_> there's a movie in there somewhere
18:11:16 <cheater_> also a joke, but i got nothin'
18:11:55 <kmc> yes
18:12:04 <kmc> brb, going to feed birds in the park
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18:14:56 <cheater_> omg, kmc you're such a homeless person
18:15:24 <cheater_> i bet "brb" just means "wait while i close the laptop lid and put it in my shopping cart"
18:18:18 <Taneb> He seems to be taking a long while to close the laptop lid
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18:20:02 <cheater_> don't be fooled, he's on a bouncer
18:20:34 <AnotherTest> cheater_: the problem is mainly that current (chat) Ai works with detection of patterns but can't place something in a context
18:20:50 <AnotherTest> so if 2 patterns collide things fuck up
18:20:57 <cheater_> i was talking about ai in general
18:21:05 <cheater_> like, you know, hard intelligence
18:21:29 <AnotherTest> Computers are probably just not big enough then
18:21:55 <AnotherTest> and inefficient
18:21:57 <nortti> awesome! My calcilator broke and ee have math exam (trigonomeyric fictions) tomorrow
18:22:00 <Taneb> I reckon computers are big enough, just nobody's figured out the trick yet
18:22:07 <AnotherTest> well compared to the human brain of course
18:22:35 <Taneb> nortti, cos 0 = 1; sin 0 = 0
18:22:41 <Taneb> That's all you need to know
18:22:41 <zzo38> Maybe; maybe not.
18:22:49 <AnotherTest> Taneb: they need a supercomputer to simulate the human brain for less than a second(I read that somewhere)
18:23:32 <AnotherTest> nortti: just imagine a circle in your mind
18:23:52 <Taneb> They don't need to simulate the human brain to replicate intelligence
18:23:54 <nortti> Taneb: umh. maybe I just try to use,my slide rule
18:23:59 <AnotherTest> we couldn't even use a calculate
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18:24:03 <zzo38> Find a table of trigonometry. Perhaps you can print it out from your computer, if it is permitted
18:24:05 <Taneb> Slide rules have trig?
18:24:12 <Taneb> I thought they did logs
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18:24:22 <Taneb> Man, the past is an amazing place
18:24:29 <nortti> Taneb: well mine has sin
18:24:32 <AnotherTest> Taneb: true, but it means that intelligence is really complicated
18:24:37 <zzo38> Taneb: My slide rule has trig, logs, and more. Different slide rules have different functions, some are fancy and have many, while some have only multiplication
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18:24:59 <zzo38> I have a slide rule too
18:25:01 <Taneb> Wow!
18:25:22 <Taneb> I want a slide rule...
18:25:28 <quintopia> i have one in the drawer over there
18:25:35 <Taneb> Can I have it?
18:25:41 <quintopia> i want a curta, but they are ungettable without thousands of dollars
18:25:57 <nortti> zzo38: I don't have printer. If I write something I use my electronic typewriter
18:26:43 <olsner> you have a typewriter? are you from the past?
18:26:43 <quintopia> zzo38: do you have a curta
18:26:51 <nortti> quintopia: try asking your relatives. That's where I got minr
18:27:04 <nortti> (not curta thoug)
18:27:08 <quintopia> nortti: my relatives are not sciencey
18:27:10 <zzo38> nortti: OK, then you have to type it by hand, even if calculated by computer
18:27:25 <zzo38> quintopia: I do not know what that mean
18:27:37 <quintopia> zzo38: google it
18:28:06 <zzo38> OK, perhaps later I will look it on Google or Wikipedia
18:28:14 <nortti> olsner: I have time travelled from year 1997 to chat in this channel
18:28:14 <AnotherTest> use DuckDuckGo
18:28:17 <AnotherTest> not google
18:28:28 <zzo38> I ordinarily prefer Wikipedia
18:28:33 <olsner> nortti: cool! welcome to our century, traveller
18:28:55 <AnotherTest> nortti: Can I barrow your time machine?(assuming that's how you got here)
18:29:01 <AnotherTest> *borrow
18:29:38 <nortti> AnotherTest: I don't have time machine. it was xkcd reference
18:29:49 <AnotherTest> :(
18:29:56 <cheater_> <AnotherTest> Computers are probably just not big enough then < yeah but improving computer
18:30:03 <cheater_> <AnotherTest> Computers are probably just not big enough then < yeah but improving computer performance is a solved problem
18:30:29 <AnotherTest> cheater_: until Moore's law ends
18:30:38 <Taneb> nortti's time machine: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003124
18:30:50 <cheater_> IT NEVER ENDS
18:30:59 <AnotherTest> people say it is, although I'm not convinced
18:31:06 <AnotherTest> *will end
18:33:33 <quintopia> i have travelled from the year 1986 to tell you this: you are really young, nortti
18:33:57 <nortti> yes I am
18:33:58 <AnotherTest> now, or in 1986?
18:34:15 <tswett> How old am I?
18:34:20 <Taneb> 1997? that's as old as my brother!
18:34:56 <AnotherTest> cheater_: NEVER might be an overstatement; not in the near future?
18:36:24 <cheater_> NEVER ENDS
18:42:29 <AnotherTest> well I guess you can keep on making something smaller forever
18:42:48 <AnotherTest> until it's infinite small
18:43:26 <AnotherTest> infinite^(-1)
18:45:01 <cheater_> infinite^oo
18:47:11 <Taneb> > 1/0
18:47:12 <lambdabot> Infinity
18:47:22 <Taneb> > (1/0)^(-1)
18:47:22 <lambdabot> *Exception: Negative exponent
18:47:29 <Taneb> > (1/0)^^(-1)
18:47:30 <lambdabot> 0.0
18:49:15 <nortti> > sqrt (1/0)
18:49:16 <lambdabot> Infinity
18:50:03 <nortti> sqrt(1/0)=(1/0)^(-1)
18:51:54 <nortti> no wait. It is not
18:53:02 <nortti> (1/0)^(-1)=1/(1/0)
18:53:13 <nortti> > 1/(1/0)
18:53:14 <lambdabot> 0.0
18:53:41 <AnotherTest> >sqrt(-1)
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18:53:54 <AnotherTest> > sqrt(-1)
18:53:55 <lambdabot> NaN
18:54:03 <AnotherTest> no complex?
18:54:33 <AnotherTest> > 0/0
18:54:34 <lambdabot> NaN
18:54:48 <AnotherTest> > 0%0
18:54:49 <lambdabot> *Exception: Ratio.%: zero denominator
19:02:53 <Taneb> > sqrt (-1) :: Complex
19:02:54 <lambdabot> Expecting an ordinary type, but found a type of kind * -> *
19:02:59 <Taneb> > sqrt (-1) :: Complex Double
19:03:00 <lambdabot> (-0.0) :+ 1.0
19:03:05 <AnotherTest> :)
19:03:21 <AnotherTest> > + 1 2 3 4
19:03:22 <lambdabot> <no location info>: parse error on input `+'
19:03:27 <AnotherTest> Why doesn't that work?
19:03:38 <AnotherTest> I thought operators were prefix in lambda expressions
19:03:38 <Taneb> Because + is infix
19:03:48 <Taneb> This is Haskell, not Lambda
19:03:51 <AnotherTest> ah
19:03:57 <AnotherTest> that explains
19:04:08 <Taneb> > (+) 1 2 + (+) 3 4
19:04:09 <lambdabot> 10
19:04:32 <AnotherTest> > a = 5; a^2
19:04:32 <lambdabot> <no location info>: parse error on input `='
19:04:36 <AnotherTest> hm
19:04:40 <Taneb> > let a = 5 in a ^ 2
19:04:41 <lambdabot> 25
19:04:46 <Taneb> @where lyah
19:04:46 <lambdabot> http://www.learnyouahaskell.com/
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19:04:53 <AnotherTest> I don't know haskell, unfortunately
19:04:55 <Taneb> Read that if you want to learn Haskel
19:04:56 <Taneb> l
19:05:09 <AnotherTest> I will I have have some time
19:05:10 <itidus21> do most people who learn haskell already know LC? :D
19:05:26 <Taneb> itidus21, I'd presume not
19:06:35 <Taneb> @where rwh
19:06:35 <lambdabot> http://www.realworldhaskell.org/blog/ http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/
19:06:43 <Taneb> AnotherTest, that's another alternative
19:07:23 <AnotherTest> > let a = 0 in a/a
19:07:23 <lambdabot> NaN
19:07:26 <AnotherTest> :)
19:07:33 <Taneb> > join (/) 0
19:07:33 <lambdabot> NaN
19:07:45 <Taneb> (you don't need to know why that works until later)
19:07:56 <itidus21> judging by the way my face grinched at the idea .. i won't ask that question again
19:09:42 <itidus21> `pastelog itidus
19:09:58 <Taneb> `quote commitee
19:10:02 <HackEgo> No output.
19:10:07 <Taneb> `quote comittee
19:10:13 <HackEgo> 597) <Taneb> I think this has taught us one thing. We can't teach itidus20 lambda calculus by comittee
19:10:19 <HackEgo> 2011-07-16.txt:00:00:57: -!- itidus20 has joined #esoteric. \ 2011-07-16.txt:03:40:55: <itidus20> zzo, sort of like how stage hypnosis is supposed to work eh. \ 2011-07-16.txt:03:42:10: <itidus20> i've seen an [obviously staged] video of a guy who hypnotized a woman to think he was invisible and then he would tickle her with a feather and make her look up with confusion \ 2011-07-16.txt:03:42:20: <itidus20> on youtube
19:10:40 <itidus21> eep
19:13:12 <itidus21> `pastelog itidus
19:13:24 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25272
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19:14:55 <itidus21> oh gods.. i'm really the worst.
19:16:06 <Taneb> itidus21, you're great.
19:16:12 <Taneb> We all love you for being you.
19:17:23 <Taneb> Isn't that right, ais523?
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19:17:51 <itidus21> i like me.. its not a cause for guilt or sympathy.. but.. comparing myself to other wild ones who come here
19:18:26 <itidus21> i am really on my own trip..
19:18:49 <Taneb> Your rambles really cheer me up
19:19:21 <cheater_> kmc: are you still homeless
19:19:27 <cheater_> or are you back
19:20:24 <itidus21> the reason i looked up my logs is to find a particular ramble.. and i wanted to see if something i just did was unconcious plagiarism :D
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19:24:32 <ais523> Taneb: it's better for someone to be themself than someone else
19:24:33 <ais523> usually
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19:37:41 <itidus21> <oklofok> itidus20: i think it's better to prevent reaching the middle altogether
19:37:47 <itidus21> i have to finally agree
19:38:58 <itidus21> <oerjan> Taneb: imagine a square where the sides are glued to each other, but not by actually bending the square, instead by making the sides be teleportation portals...
19:39:13 <itidus21> he has a way with words..
19:40:31 <zzo38> But topologically I think it would be the same thing either way
19:40:57 <itidus21> yes.. what i ended up doing was very simple.. diabolically simple even
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19:43:53 <itidus21> http://oi50.tinypic.com/xxd89.jpg
19:44:30 <itidus21> the circle is a HUD map.. which basically was the missing piece i needed combined with what oklo said that middle of the thing shouldn't be accessible
19:46:01 <itidus21> since the HUD map could potentially go a long way to create the illusion that you are walking around a round planet
19:49:11 <AnotherTest> bye
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19:51:35 <itidus21> the quality of mspaintadventures seems way up
19:54:08 <itidus21> no no im just very confused
19:55:07 <Taneb> itidus21, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/cascade.php?s=6&p=6009
19:56:52 <itidus21> i just remembered this really low quality art about 2 guys doing some weird stuff
19:57:54 <kmc> cheater_: i'm back
19:57:58 <kmc> the birds didn't want my food
19:58:30 <Taneb> itidus21, it hasn't been like that since 2006
19:58:48 <Taneb> In 2007, it was medium quality about one guy doing some weird stuff
20:01:04 <monqy> which was that
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20:06:33 <Taneb> Wearing wizard hats and marx masks and smoking pipes
20:07:00 <Taneb> Now it's high quality art about LOADS AND LOADS OF FREAKING CHARACTERS doing REALLY WEIRD STUFF
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20:13:18 <itidus21> blackout
20:13:23 <itidus21> for a few seconds
20:14:01 <itidus21> taneb: that was too creepy for me
20:19:15 <zzo38> Please read gopher://zzo38computer.cjb.net:70/0phlog*c_prog.ibtlfmm-part-i
20:20:03 <cheater_> kmc: i don't think i'd want your food either.
20:20:25 <cheater_> it's probably full of tobasco.
20:20:47 <zzo38> What kind of food is it?
20:23:09 <kmc> zzo38: that is a super sketchy URL
20:23:16 <kmc> cheater_: it was stale bread
20:23:19 <kmc> like croutons almost
20:23:22 <kmc> no tobasco
20:24:28 <cheater_> you apparently must still improve at being the pidgeon lady
20:24:36 <cheater_> pigeon too
20:25:36 <kmc> pidgin lady
20:25:39 <kmc> the problem is, we had competition
20:25:44 <kmc> some guy throwing fresh bread
20:25:47 <cheater_> lol
20:25:50 <cheater_> who's we
20:25:53 <kmc> damn city pigeons, they have it so good
20:25:55 <cheater_> are you having a social life
20:25:56 <kmc> me and my girlfriend
20:25:58 <kmc> yes
20:26:01 <cheater_> not true
20:26:09 <cheater_> is she a 45 year old truck driver
20:26:17 <kmc> no
20:26:18 <cheater_> with hairy elbows
20:26:23 <cheater_> ok
20:26:30 <kmc> i'm just a splatter, splatter, splatter on the windshield of life
20:26:38 <cheater_> is she interesting and h0t
20:26:40 <kmc> yeah
20:26:55 <cheater_> is she more interesting and h0t than me
20:27:52 <kmc> i don't know cheater_
20:28:29 <cheater_> you inched this ----> <---- close to getting your head ripped off
20:28:34 <cheater_> safe answer
20:30:23 <cheater_> so kmc
20:30:37 <cheater_> does this mean i'm not your #1 any more
20:35:15 <kmc> haha
20:35:20 <kmc> no
20:37:34 <cheater_> so i have not been replaced as your only reason to get up in the morning
20:37:51 <cheater_> ok good
20:38:27 <cheater_> hey btw, have you noticed that the new logitech keyboards have this funny rounded space bar
20:38:42 <cheater_> instead of like the classical rectangular bar
20:39:03 <cheater_> much easier to hit with the thumb
20:39:31 <nortti> how is it rounded?
20:42:24 <cheater_> it tapers off so the front edge is much lower than the edge facing the keys
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21:17:55 <nortti> I'
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21:31:38 <zzo38> kmc: What does a super sketchy URL mean?
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21:59:21 <ion> R.U. a Cyberpunk? http://d.asset.soup.io/asset/3167/2077_6fd2.jpeg
22:15:13 <nortti> how old id that image?
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22:16:21 <tiMMe> Hello all bright minds
22:16:31 <tiMMe> after a bit of research I found this irc chan
22:16:51 <ais523> hi tiMMe
22:16:53 <ais523> `? welcome
22:16:55 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:17:26 <tiMMe> I could use some help with decoding a ''turing esoteric'' code
22:17:45 <ais523> ah, OK
22:17:54 <ais523> you have a program in an esolang but don't know the language? or something else?
22:18:14 <tiMMe> no, Its a hobby of mine.. and to get to the next hint.. i need to crack this one
22:18:25 <tiMMe> I had no idea what this was before 10 min ago
22:18:28 <ais523> you're missing some context, I think
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22:19:23 <ais523> as in, you haven't given me enough information to explain what you're trying to do
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22:19:41 <tiMMe> Allright..
22:20:04 <tiMMe> well this is somewhat like a treasure hunt.. the clue i need to get to the next part, is decrypted..
22:20:16 <ais523> encrypted?
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22:20:24 <tiMMe> well, I don't know what to call it
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22:20:31 <tiMMe> its written in this coe
22:20:33 <tiMMe> code*
22:20:51 <tiMMe> Could I post a pastebin link, and you could take a look at it
22:20:59 <ais523> OK, might help to explain things
22:21:57 <tiMMe> Would you mind taking a look at it for me? maybe you'll understand it
22:22:06 <ais523> I already said OK…
22:22:10 <tiMMe> http://pastebin.com/eLJVk507
22:22:11 <tiMMe> thank you
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22:24:50 <zzo38> I cannot figure it out yet, but I tried. I can see it consists of letters P,Q,R,S,T,U,V and spaces.
22:25:23 <ais523> tiMMe: are you sure that's an esolang? or just a regular code?
22:25:29 <ais523> I guess regular codes are almost ontopic here too…
22:25:48 <tiMMe> well I asked for another hint, and he said turing esoteric
22:25:50 <zzo38> Including long runs of Q, some runs of T as well. But, I do am just guessing it to be a regular code, and not any kind of computer program
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22:26:35 <tiMMe> Its probably only a code, not a computer program
22:27:00 <ais523> this channel's mostly about programming
22:27:03 <tiMMe> if you decypher it, it will give me directions, coordinates or something
22:27:12 <tiMMe> okay.. sorry about that. had no idea
22:27:38 <tiMMe> Do you have any idea where I could get help with this type of thing?
22:27:46 <ais523> not sure
22:27:56 <ais523> here's probably not actually that bad a place, even though it's offtopic
22:28:03 <Gregor> There is probably a significance to the offsets between the letters, i.e. it's encoding something like 1,0,0,1,1,-2,0,0,...
22:28:23 <tiMMe> Well you guys came to more conclutions in 2 min, than me and my friends did in 4-5 hours :P
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22:28:44 <zzo38> Discuss it here if you want; we are often not on topic anyways, but you can try something more relevant channel may work
22:28:50 <zzo38> Gregor: I was thinking of that too
22:29:16 <ais523> perhaps the six letters correspond to the six 3D compass directions?
22:29:24 <ais523> could be forming the route through a 3D maze
22:29:25 <zzo38> I also noticed the sequence "PQQQRSQQQQPTUSQV PQQQQQQQQQRSTTTTTTTTTPTUSTV" appearing twice
22:29:55 <zzo38> Also, every code word ends with "V"
22:30:04 <tiMMe> Above the "code" it says this : Crack the code to find its whereabouts... | That's why I think its coordinates
22:30:08 <Gregor> Oh, good catches, both.
22:30:44 <Gregor> In fact, they all contain PTUS, then zero or more (but few) characters, then V at the end.
22:30:58 <Gregor> (And all start with PQQ, but that's a bit more obvious)
22:31:23 <zzo38> Actually, the offsets between the letters do not seem relevant to me due to the way what letters are used and their patterns
22:31:38 <zzo38> Gregor: But, yes those too, are something to consider
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22:33:43 <tiMMe> Would you want the website where I've gotten the code? Maybe its easier to look at it there
22:34:03 <zzo38> tiMMe: Do you have any more context, such as, what would this be the whereabouts of?
22:34:14 <tiMMe> yeah, look at this link
22:34:15 <tiMMe> http://coord.info/GC3K55F
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22:42:57 <itidus21> hmm
22:45:21 <zzo38> That is difficult.
22:46:23 <itidus21> could it be one of those languages where its not concerned with the symbols but the patterns they form?
22:46:52 <zzo38> Possibly
22:47:32 <zzo38> Nevertheless I think that the spaces delimit code words and each one is separate from each other
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23:00:31 <itidus21> 1)each codeword always starts with P
23:00:38 <itidus21> 2)after intial P there is always a sequence of 2 - 9 Q's
23:00:48 <itidus21> 3)after the sequence of Q's there is always RS
23:01:02 <itidus21> 4)the RS is always followed by either a sequence of 3 - 10 Q's or a sequence of 3 - 9 T's
23:03:24 <itidus21> 5)this is always followed by PTU
23:04:57 <oklopol> looks like it could be regular
23:05:14 <oklopol> i mean the language from which words between spaces are taken
23:06:17 <Lumpio_> Let's see
23:06:25 <Lumpio_> tiMMe: So is this from Dropbox or notch
23:06:29 <itidus21> rather. 1 - 2 PTU's
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23:08:20 <tiMMe> dropbox or notch ? what do you mean
23:08:55 <tiMMe> anyway, someone cracked it for me ;D on a norwegian forum
23:09:10 <Lumpio_> ook, what was this from anyways
23:09:29 <itidus21> i got what i said above wrong
23:10:21 <oklopol> tiMMe: do tell
23:11:45 <itidus21> im guessing that Q and T are like brainfuck's + and - in some way
23:12:03 <tiMMe> I assumed that Q was + since it was the most of it. And since there were an equal amount of R and U they had to be [ and ], R came first so it had to be [. I saw on a example program that they started with > So I assumed that was P. I guessed the rest, only 7 tsigns total, so few options.
23:13:22 <oklopol> oh.
23:13:49 <oklopol> what an impure puzzle.
23:14:01 <ais523> oklopol: are you making a Haskell joke?
23:14:06 <oklopol> no
23:14:15 <ais523> good
23:14:18 <Lumpio_> ...somehow it made me think of brainfuck too
23:14:22 <ais523> I'm not sure if we have a defined punishment for Haskell jokes
23:14:24 <Lumpio_> But I didn't bother to actually run it.
23:14:28 <ais523> but an undefined punishment is arguably worse
23:14:28 <oklopol> i just don't like puzzles where you have to know something to crack it
23:14:37 <Lumpio_> Looks like rather crude brainfuck though
23:14:45 <Lumpio_> Probably a full program for each letter of output
23:14:59 <oklopol> :O
23:15:04 <oklopol> doubt it
23:15:12 <zzo38> Lumpio_: It is what I thought, too
23:15:19 <zzo38> But perhaps not quite
23:15:41 <itidus21> i should not have given such red herrings
23:15:44 <itidus21> in my analysis
23:16:00 <oklopol> hmm
23:16:20 <oklopol> yeah okay so letters are really that short to produce based on the constants page on esolang
23:16:24 <zzo38> Or maybe each code word is a program or something else but standalone, and put together. Either by letter, or by numbers...
23:16:35 <oklopol> copypaste from there?
23:19:16 <itidus21> ^bf >++[<+++>-]>+..++.
23:19:16 <fungot> <CTCP><CTCP>
23:19:54 <itidus21> ^bf >++[<+++>-]<+..++.
23:19:54 <fungot>
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23:22:43 <itidus21> ^bf >++[<--->-]<-.
23:22:43 <fungot>
23:22:59 <Lumpio_> http://pastebin.com/bD0E1vmr
23:23:14 <kmc> the punishment for Haskell jokes shall be unspecified behavior
23:23:36 <oklopol> is that a haskell joke
23:24:26 <kmc> no it's a C joke
23:24:40 <itidus21> ^bf <++[>+++<-]>+..++.
23:24:40 <fungot>
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23:32:25 <itidus21> Her finner du cachen: N 59 23.148 E 010 25.557
23:32:37 <oklopol> ^bf >+++[<+++[<++++++++>-]>-]<<.
23:32:37 <fungot> H
23:33:15 <oklopol> okay that's not from the constants page
23:33:19 <itidus21> what a prick
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23:33:30 <oklopol> prick?
23:33:31 <itidus21> yes it wasn't codewords at all
23:33:49 <itidus21> the H gets everything prepared >.<
23:34:07 <oklopol> i see.
23:34:34 <oklopol> why have i still not made a programming language puzzle :(
23:34:59 <oklopol> i had a language half-made for it, but i never bothered to finish and publish it and it's gone now
23:35:12 <itidus21> its a simple text replace. timme was right about R and U
23:35:40 <oklopol> based on the H he was right about everything
23:36:22 <itidus21> ^ Her finner du cachen: N 59 23.148 E 010 25.557 :D
23:36:49 <oklopol> you said that already, what's your point
23:37:14 <kmc> achtung du cachen
23:37:18 <itidus21> im..
23:37:21 <itidus21> an asshole
23:37:29 <oklopol> you are?
23:37:41 <itidus21> a bit
23:37:41 <kmc> die nyankatze!
23:37:44 <kmc> http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/73/73315.jpg
23:38:17 <oklopol> aww cute
23:40:37 <shachaf> "god is dead" -- nyankatze
23:41:21 <kmc> thachaf
23:42:14 <itidus21> :o
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