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00:08:44 <ais523> network outage between router and the hop beyond that, rare to get one of those
00:09:07 <ais523> I noticed the network was back up when adverts started showing again in my feed reader :)
00:09:49 <elliott> heh
00:09:50 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
00:10:23 <ion> You subscribe to ad feeds? :-)
00:10:35 <ais523> @messages
00:10:35 <lambdabot> You don't have any new messages.
00:10:38 <elliott> how else would ais523 find all the newest adverts?
00:11:29 <oklopol> hi elliott, what's your state today, and do you feel that your state graph is strongly connected
00:11:57 <shachaf> helliott
00:12:05 <ion> hall
00:12:10 <elliott> oklopol: absolutely
00:12:47 <oklopol> great!
00:13:07 <oklopol> mine is a tree and i'm way down it :(
00:13:38 <ais523> mine's a line, I'm never in the same state twice
00:14:01 <elliott> mines dot
00:14:04 <elliott> im _|_
00:14:08 <oklopol> sheep
00:14:10 <elliott> -- Aristotle.
00:14:19 <elliott> (famous rap-metal guitarist)
00:14:26 <elliott> (3000 bc - 1 ad)
00:15:10 <oklopol> jesus did _not_ like rap-metal.
00:15:35 <elliott> aristotle was actually jesus' brother
00:15:46 <elliott> there was a time travel accident.
00:15:50 <elliott> sadly he did not survive
00:15:51 <oklopol> half-brother?
00:15:57 <elliott> no, brother.
00:16:47 <oklopol> so mary did not have an intact hymen before jesus?
00:17:08 <elliott> I didn't say Aristotle was born first.
00:17:09 <oklopol> i assume he was jesus' big brother if he was born 3000 bc
00:17:10 <ais523> There were no results matching the query .Create the page "Linux desktop zeitgeist" on this wiki!
00:17:14 <elliott> oklopol: like I said, time travel accident
00:17:17 <ais523> wrong search engine, I guess…
00:17:25 <elliott> ais523: thanks for the esolang name
00:17:26 <oklopol> oh i missed that line.
00:17:31 <ais523> also, that "remove newlines" button is really oddly bugged
00:17:34 <ais523> elliott: that's what I thought :)
00:18:17 <oklopol> i tend to censor the most important line, life is way too interesting otherwise.
00:20:50 <ais523> wow is Zeitgeist really pretentious
00:21:05 <ais523> I didn't even realise that an activity logging daemon /could/ be pretentious…
00:22:23 <Gregor> I think that the name "Zeitgeist" implies pretension.
00:23:19 <elliott> "The Element of Intelligence"
00:24:31 <kmc> fulltext search that celebrates craftsmanship
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00:27:14 <elliott> I think the example engravings on Apple products may be the most ridiculously pretentious and awful things ever. http://images.apple.com/v20120515091949/startpage/images/store-fdayipadengraving.png
00:33:05 <Gregor> That's not so much pretentious, as just plain horrible.
00:35:59 <elliott> http://cdn.macworld.co.uk/cmsdata/news/3245946/iPad_engraving.jpg
00:36:23 <elliott> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AeaeRDQ8GKo/TB6623RDnXI/AAAAAAAAAVk/TTHtzj4QgpA/s1600/touch_fathersday_engrave.jpg
00:36:50 <elliott> Actually all Apple marketing material seems to take place in an alternate universe where everyone is rich and insufferable.
00:37:13 <oklopol> who buys their parents stuff
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00:39:34 <oklopol> well perhaps something cheap and mainly symbolic like a... fucking iphone
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00:39:38 <elliott> http://dynamicaspects.org/blog/2012/05/15/back-to-the-future/
00:39:47 <oklopol> or whatever that thing is
00:45:10 <zzo38> What is the local telephone number in my area for reporting scams on telephone?
00:45:30 <elliott> 0800 419419
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00:46:06 <shachaf> zzo38: Are they telephone scams?
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00:47:09 <zzo38> Yes
00:48:12 <zzo38> I found it in the telephone book
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00:50:19 <zzo38> I have now recorded the session I have played of Dungeons&Dragons game yesterday. It is of short duration so there isn't much to write.
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01:02:17 <zzo38> One online quiz system I wanted to review is one which I seem to remember was available on X-BIT, but X-BIT is gone now, and I don't know if there are other servers which it can be tried.
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01:52:41 <elliott> What's X-BIT?
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02:00:48 <zzo38> X-BIT is some BBS I was on during year 2000, it is very good they had many interesting messages and good games I like including Word Nerd, Word Warp, and Wheel of Fortune
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02:05:57 <elliott> zzo38: It seems to still exist to me.
02:06:08 <elliott> http://x-bit.org/; the online client at http://x-bit.org/ftelnet/ connects just fine.
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02:11:12 <zzo38> Well, they said it would stop. Anyways X-BIT is not HTTP-based service
02:11:48 <zzo38> O, this X-BIT works now, same as before. I tried connect using HyperTerminal it works OK
02:12:06 <zzo38> But my account got deleted
02:14:01 <Sgeo> elliott, is it worth using the new version of DF?
02:14:17 <elliott> What do you mean by new version? DF2011 -> DF2012?
02:14:23 <elliott> Sorry, do I mean DF2010?
02:14:59 <Sgeo> I mean v0.34.08 which came out very recently
02:15:11 <elliott> Sure, why not? Isn't it save-file compatible?
02:15:24 * Sgeo is sort of waiting for Lazy Newb Pack >.>
02:15:59 <elliott> Have you seen how unreadable the tilesets are?
02:16:32 <elliott> Dwarf Therapist and sometimes DFHack (usually to work around bugs) are sometimes useful, but the rest is junk, and Dwarf Therapist is available separately.
02:16:56 <Sgeo> Has DT even been updated yet? >.>
02:17:03 <elliott> >.>
02:17:03 <Sgeo> Or maybe I'm lazy and just want an easy installer
02:17:08 <monqy> >.>
02:17:08 <elliott> It was updated two days ago.
02:17:27 <elliott> http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/df_34_08_win.zip http://dwarftherapist.googlecode.com/files/DwarfTherapist-0.6.12.zip
02:18:17 <elliott> And you don't need Dwarf Therapist for the beginning of a fortress, if you're really that lazy.
02:19:26 <Sgeo> Doesn't Lazy Newb Pack have keybindings to make laptop play easier?
02:19:44 <elliott> Dunno, but I play on a laptop.
02:20:03 <elliott> Well, the original keyboard I played it on technically has a number pad. But I never use it, and the rest of the keys are laid out like a laptop.
02:20:12 <elliott> I don't really see what you'd have problems with using a laptop keyboard.
02:20:32 <elliott> It's not like there's a penalty for using the arrow keys to move diagonally like there is in roguelikes :P
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02:51:22 <elliott> ais523: Is it 4 or 5?
02:51:25 <HackEgo> 641) <fizzie> It's a bit like a regular monowheel, except when you brake too hard, instead of you going around and around inside the wheel, the (1100lb) wheel rolls over you.
02:51:28 <HackEgo> 788) <Taneb> I swear my dreams are becoming increasingly rave + computer science oriented
02:51:36 <HackEgo> 628) <Ngevd> Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love
02:51:37 <HackEgo> 732) <Phantom_Hoover> Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels.
02:52:16 <quintopia> 4 or 5 until wat?
02:52:29 <elliott> 4 or 5 quotes.
02:52:37 <quintopia> until wat?
02:54:20 <shachaf> elliott: It's 5.
02:54:35 <elliott> ais523: Is it 5?
02:54:46 <shachaf> Yes.
02:55:44 <elliott> ais523: Is it 4?
02:55:51 <shachaf> elliott: No.
02:56:09 <elliott> Isn't it?
02:56:18 <shachaf> It isn't.
02:57:49 <elliott> Wow.
02:59:31 <ais523> it's 5
02:59:36 <ais523> `quote
02:59:38 <ais523> there's your fifth
02:59:39 <HackEgo> 826) <Taneb> it's funny what is gay right c***
03:02:13 <zzo38> I paid for X-BIT service and they said it lasts for the entire lifetime, but since my account got deleted I do not have that.
03:03:38 <ais523> elliott: 826?
03:03:48 <elliott> Yeah okay.
03:03:50 <elliott> `delquote 826
03:03:51 <ais523> 628 is probably next-worst but it's much better
03:03:54 <HackEgo> ​*poof* <Taneb> it's funny what is gay right c***
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03:08:32 * AerosolProphet greets
03:10:35 <elliott> `welcome AerosolProphet
03:10:38 <HackEgo> AerosolProphet: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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03:15:23 <JeremyS> Hey, is anyone interested in giving feedback on a cross-platform brainfuck Debugger/Editor I've just written?
03:18:49 <elliott> sure
03:18:53 <elliott> `welcome JeremyS
03:18:57 <HackEgo> JeremyS: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
03:19:29 <AerosolProphet> Where can this brainfuck debugger be found?
03:21:44 <JeremyS> https://code.google.com/p/wxbfide
03:22:12 <AerosolProphet> Kool. I'll check it out.
03:22:23 <JeremyS> I'll package up a tarball if you don't like svn.
03:22:26 <JeremyS> It's wxwidgets
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03:27:05 <AerosolProphet> Eh. SVN works
03:29:00 <JeremyS> Okay, it also uses Codeblocks to build I realize. Do you want a Makefile instead?
03:29:35 <AerosolProphet> Im not familiar with CodeBlocks.
03:29:53 <AerosolProphet> Yes, probably
03:30:45 <JeremyS> Okay, I'll upload it to svn
03:34:38 <JeremyS> AerosolProphet: Okay, done
03:41:07 <AerosolProphet> Ok. Brb
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03:47:40 <zzo38> I have recreated X-BIT account. Now I can access FidoNet, Word Warp game, etc. Currently I am using HyperTerminal to connect since it is what I used before, but I may configure PuTTY to work with it, or something else related too
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04:21:14 <zzo38> What light bulb?
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04:23:18 <elliott> no light bulb
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05:37:25 <Sgeo> Should I just go ahead and watch captnduck
05:37:47 <elliott> no just
05:37:48 <elliott> play df
05:37:49 <elliott> it's really easy
05:37:59 <elliott> if you want play a succession fortress so you can skip the earlygame
05:38:04 <elliott> taneb is good at getting fortresses started
05:38:23 <Sgeo> But I'd get the fortress killed
05:38:45 <elliott> unlikely
05:38:50 <elliott> fortresses tend to stay alive unless goblins
05:38:58 <elliott> or unless you build something and mess it up
05:39:14 <Sgeo> What if DF bores me?
05:39:22 <Sgeo> What if I like reading DF stories more than playing DF
05:39:54 <elliott> then don't play df
05:54:51 <shachaf> zzo38: hi
06:01:24 <zzo38> Hello
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06:21:50 <zzo38> Perhaps I can make up a program to printout the quiz files in Internet Quiz Engine, by converting to TeX and then DVI and then whatever format the printer accepts (such as PCL). But it would try to guess one of many possible "modes" it is in to determine the best layout for printing, and you can override that and other options if you want to do so.
06:24:14 <zzo38> I can also try to ask them to put Internet Quiz Engine on X-BIT as well.
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06:50:48 <ais523> hmm, Jeff Atwood seems to have trolled a sizeable proportion of programmers on the internet recently
06:50:55 <ais523> not sure if he meant to or if he was being serious
06:52:22 <elliott> and now you're helping him troll #esoteric? :P
06:52:53 <ais523> sure :)
06:57:24 <cheater_> @tell kmc googled for Quotron, came up with this: http://pcridesagain.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/theguts.jpg
06:57:24 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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07:48:05 <Patashu> sgeo: you could always pick a succession fortress in progress, and then... just play it locally and not post about it
07:51:00 <ais523> <gnawer> Isn't that a tautology? <BernzSed> Most tautologies are.
07:53:15 <elliott> :D
07:54:55 <ais523> worth quoting in #esoteric /as well as/ upvoting
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07:55:28 <HackEgo> 242) <Phantom_Hoover> [...] reyouthismootherate [...]
07:55:39 <HackEgo> 682) <Ngevd> It's like single player Hackiki in a way(?) <tswett> Ngevd: yes, but with multiple players.
07:55:41 <HackEgo> 745) <oklopol> i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself
07:55:41 <HackEgo> 531) <ais523> (Enigma is two games; one is solving Enigma puzzles, the other is working out how to represent things as Enigma puzzles, preferably with the minimal amount of lua and player-hidden information possible)
07:55:41 <HackEgo> 288) <Warrigal> My penis is definitely way smaller than that.
07:56:18 <ais523> hmm, 531 is mostly simply factual rather than amusing, which makes it weird why it got quoted
07:56:23 <ais523> unless there's some hidden meaning there I missed
07:56:37 <ais523> so I'd delete that one out of the five
07:56:38 <ais523> elliott?
07:56:47 <elliott> o hhm what i hi
07:56:49 <elliott> *hmm
07:57:00 <elliott> 288 is crap
07:57:12 <elliott> 531 is better, even if it's bad
07:57:14 <elliott> `delquote 288
07:57:18 <HackEgo> ​*poof* <Warrigal> My penis is definitely way smaller than that.
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07:57:52 <HackEgo> 487) <Taneb> aibohphobia <Taneb> The fear of palindromes
07:57:55 <HackEgo> 765) <ais523> oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you? <Frooxius> No, sorry. <ais523> phew <Ngevd> How about Finland? <Frooxius> Why would I live there? <fizzie> That's a *very* good question. <fizzie> Why would anyone?
07:58:06 <HackEgo> 281) <zzo38> Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want.
07:58:07 <HackEgo> 449) <fizzie> The zipWith Camel, a famous World War 1 era airplane.
07:58:09 <HackEgo> 767) <Phantom_Hoover> There.... is a box of Gardasil next to the butter in my fridge. <Phantom_Hoover> At least my sandwich will be immune to cervical cancer *and* genital warts, I suppose.
07:58:24 <ais523> 487 is unoriginal; 449 is a bit meh
07:58:32 <ais523> 767 is pretty hilarious
07:58:44 <elliott> 765 is good too
07:58:48 <ais523> yes
07:58:54 <ais523> and 281 is in between
07:59:04 <elliott> I'd delete 281
07:59:07 <elliott> it's only funny because of the grammar
07:59:12 <elliott> hmm
07:59:16 <elliott> ok, 487
07:59:17 <ais523> it's funny because of the sentiment expressed too
07:59:18 <elliott> if it really is unoriginal
07:59:22 <elliott> `delquote 487
07:59:23 <ais523> I've seen it before
07:59:25 <HackEgo> ​*poof* <Taneb> aibohphobia <Taneb> The fear of palindromes
07:59:28 <ais523> well before #esoteric
07:59:33 <ais523> it might have been reinvented
07:59:39 <oklopol> ais523 is a bit of an ailihphiliac, so he knows these things
08:00:03 <oklopol> perhaps ailihphile is how it would actually work
08:00:06 <oklopol> come to think of it
08:00:06 <ais523> Wiktionary says it dates from at least 1983
08:00:19 <cheater_> why does posterous suck so much
08:00:19 <ais523> elihphile, surely?
08:00:21 <cheater_> can someone tell me
08:00:43 <oklopol> my aigahphagia is getting so bad i cannot eat foods without an axis of symmetry anymore
08:00:45 <ais523> cheater_: does it have anything to do with the topic of the channel, or the current conversation?
08:01:13 <ais523> hmm, a state of having no palindromes is being sselless
08:01:36 <elliott> something having lots of palindromicity means it's lufful
08:01:40 <cheater_> ais523: irc is not a colliding medium, a channel can have multiple conversations in parallel
08:01:53 <ais523> cheater_: a conversation requires multiple people who actually want to take part in it
08:02:00 <ais523> (thus the "topic of the channel" clause)
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08:02:16 <elliott> that's some hostname
08:02:25 <ais523> .gf?
08:02:39 <oklopol> french guiana
08:02:39 <elliott> doesn't look like an actually real hostname
08:02:48 <elliott> oh, it is
08:02:50 <elliott> just no HTTP
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08:03:08 <cheater_> your question was phrased as an or clause, which implied you were only asking about the one or the other. so, yes, the question is related to the conversation it is part of.
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08:03:22 <fizzie> $ curl 'http://death.to.religion.info.gf/'
08:03:23 <fizzie> <html>
08:03:23 <fizzie> <head><title>403 Forbidden</title></head>
08:03:39 <fizzie> It's IPv6-only, though.
08:03:39 <ais523> cheater_: that's not what "current conversation" means, and you're misinterpreting me deliberately
08:04:04 <cheater_> no, i am just saying there is no "current conversation" in a medium that can hold multiple conversations
08:04:16 <ais523> there is if it's only holding one conversation at the time
08:04:25 <ais523> and often there's a current main conversation as well as side conversations
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08:04:57 <cheater_> i think what you want is a mailing list where conversations are clearly demarcated by reply chains
08:05:10 <cheater_> that can work better to isolate conversations imo
08:05:46 <oklopol> holy fuck the time just changed on its own when i wasn't looking o_O
08:05:53 <oklopol> sur fucking real
08:06:28 <ais523> cheater_: no, that's what /you/ want, apparently, and you're trying to derail the channel into something useless /again/
08:06:43 <cheater_> no i'm not
08:06:50 <ais523> yes you are
08:07:41 <oklopol> cheater_: "no i'm not" is not even a palindrome, shame on you!
08:07:52 <cheater_> blogging is an important part of being able to publish pertinent knowledge, such as for example programming language information. i was hoping someone could suggest a better platform for it. how is that useless
08:08:12 <cheater_> i think you just want to aggravate this because you don't like me
08:08:19 <cheater_> so i'll just stop talking about this
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08:08:37 <ais523> it's not just me, you've driven quite a few people from the channel already
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08:08:43 <cheater_> not true
08:08:51 <ais523> is true, I've been taking surveys
08:08:53 <elliott> manifestly true, actually
08:09:01 <elliott> since I'm one of them
08:09:01 <cheater_> um, they leave because they don't like me
08:09:06 <cheater_> in fact, look at kmc's reaction
08:09:17 <cheater_> he specifically said that if i come in and talk about just anything, people flip out
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08:10:27 <oklopol> "cheater_ um, they leave because they don't like me" who thinks this is reason enough on a channel this size? i can't quite figure out my opinion.
08:11:47 <oklopol> well anyway gotta go to work to work
08:17:06 <elliott> hmm, I should get around to installing <cite> and <math> on Esolang
08:20:25 <ais523> going back to the conversation we were at before this distraction: I guess something that's full of palindromes is luful
08:21:43 <elliott> plagiarist!
08:22:00 <elliott> 09:01 <elliott> something having lots of palindromicity means it's lufful
08:22:16 <ais523> missed that
08:22:28 <ais523> it was 20 minutes ago and above the fold, so you can't expect me to remember
08:22:30 <elliott> someone who studies primes is a tsigolologist
08:22:38 <elliott> "tsi" is like "psi"
08:22:39 <ais523> *palindromes?
08:22:40 <elliott> but with ts
08:22:43 <elliott> ais523: err, eys
08:22:44 <elliott> *yes
08:22:45 <elliott> same thing
08:22:57 <elliott> heh, that sounds like "psycholologist"
08:23:50 <ais523> someone who manufactures palindromes is a htimsmith?
08:24:11 <ais523> the opposite of a palindrome is unnu
08:25:05 <ais523> and something that used to be a palindrome but isn't any more is ex-xe
08:25:18 <elliott> something that isn't a palindrome is a nonon
08:25:45 <elliott> someone prejudiced against palindromes is a tsist
08:25:48 <ais523> hmm, the adjective is quite different from the noun in this case :)
08:26:25 <elliott> msism
08:26:35 <elliott> something that's like a palindrome but not quite is y
08:26:51 <elliott> (do i win)
08:26:56 <ais523> that one made me laugh
08:27:01 <ais523> alternatively, hsish
08:28:16 <elliott> or a ekila-alike
08:28:18 <elliott> *an
08:28:52 <ais523> the IRC channel for discussing palindromes is ## (also the Twitter hashtag)
08:30:13 <elliott> 09:30 Topic: Welcome to the two hash channel, also known as ##, or nameless "about" channel.
08:30:15 <elliott> thanks freenode
08:31:00 <ais523> it actually exists?
08:31:04 <ais523> I assumed it'd be some sort of error
08:31:14 <ais523> now I'm wondering what it's about
08:31:18 <elliott> I think all of them up to like 16 hashes exist
08:31:28 <elliott> ais523: it's either about nothing, or the official channel for something called #
08:31:51 <ais523> would explain why it's quiet
08:31:54 <ais523> arguably also why Sgeo is there
08:32:09 <ais523> (and given that he isn't obviously online right now, perhaps he idles there rather than joining just because it was mentioned)
08:32:28 <elliott> i have this vision of sgeo's client's channel list just filled with
08:32:29 <elliott> #
08:32:30 <elliott> ##
08:32:31 <elliott> ###
08:32:32 <elliott> ####
08:32:35 <elliott> ...
08:33:17 <Sgeo> Or, I could be lurking in here.
08:33:25 <ais523> which?
08:33:28 <elliott> no that's impossible
08:33:37 <elliott> ais523: it could be both!
08:33:43 <ais523> something which might or might not be a palindrome is a maybebyam
08:33:44 <Sgeo> I joined just because it was mentioned.
08:33:51 <ais523> elliott: indeed, but that's even more unlikely
08:33:59 <elliott> ais523: since when can you prepend "maybe" to words?
08:34:03 <elliott> "This sure is maybegreat!"
08:34:21 <ais523> elliott: since Haskell
08:34:32 <elliott> something that fulfils some, but not all of the laws of palindromes, is quasisauq
08:34:36 <ais523> but people know what it means anyway, therefore it's a rule
08:34:49 <ais523> *quasisaqu
08:34:56 <elliott> oops
08:35:00 <elliott> wait, what?
08:35:04 <elliott> that's not a palindrome
08:35:05 <elliott> oh
08:35:08 <elliott> ha
08:35:09 <elliott> ha
08:35:10 <elliott> ha
08:35:11 <elliott> ha
08:35:12 <elliott> ha
08:35:14 <elliott> ...
08:35:16 <elliott> ha
08:36:47 <ais523> there is no such thing as a free alligator helmet
08:37:06 <elliott> that's... not a palindrome
08:37:19 <ais523> there's a lot of other things it isn't too
08:37:32 <elliott> what isn't it not?
08:37:48 <ais523> a somewhat mutated meme?
08:37:56 <ais523> (a palindrome that goes viral is a mememem, btw)
08:38:21 <elliott> is the meme something other than "... free lunch"?
08:38:53 <ais523> no
08:39:01 <ais523> well, "there is no such thing as a free lunch" is the full meme
08:39:05 <elliott> no it's not
08:39:12 <elliott> it's "there ain't"
08:39:19 <ais523> or, I think it's more correct as "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
08:39:37 <ais523> but "ain't" means "have not" so that sentence isn't correct
08:40:06 <elliott> it's perfectly correct
08:40:16 <elliott> double negation is weird in natural language
08:40:43 <ais523> it should be "isn't" not "ain't" to be correct
08:40:57 <elliott> err, wait, what?
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08:41:05 <elliott> "ain't" is a perfectly valid way to say "isn't"
08:41:20 <elliott> "there ain't" ~ "there isn't"
08:41:28 <Sgeo> ai = is
08:41:40 <ais523> "I ain't got a car"?
08:41:42 <Sgeo> clearly
08:41:46 <pikhq_> "Ain't" ain't incorrect, it just ain't formal.
08:41:57 <ais523> perhaps it's just a generalised negated contraction
08:42:07 <elliott> ais523: it stands for multiple things
08:42:16 <elliott> is not, am not, haven't, etc.
08:42:19 <ais523> now we need a sentence where "hasn't" and "isn't" both fit
08:42:30 <ais523> English does need an amn't, perhaps ain't is meant to fill that gap
08:44:19 * oerjan thinks he once learnt that ain't is everything mushed together
08:44:31 <pikhq_> oerjan: Good approximation.
08:44:52 <fizzie> ais523: He hasn't a clue; he isn't a clue. (The latter in the context of a private detective story or something.)
08:45:06 <ais523> fizzie: well done
08:45:29 <pikhq_> And "he ain't a clue" actually works for both meanings.
08:45:41 <pikhq_> Though without context I'm defaulting to the "isn't" interpretation...
08:46:10 <oerjan> hm i'm not sure you can use ain't for a non-auxiliary "have"?
08:48:34 <elliott> oerjan: well, ain't would always mean "haven't" in context
08:48:48 <oerjan> still.
08:49:05 <oerjan> it is not modifying any other verb.
08:49:24 <elliott> i'm not sure what you mean, hten
08:49:25 <elliott> *then
08:49:28 <pikhq_> It'd sound *weird* from some speakers, but from others it'd work just fine.
08:49:53 <pikhq_> Though, just the thought of "ain't" coming from an RP speaker gives me the giggles.
08:50:11 <itidus21> i find "once upon a time" to be a really bizzare idiom
08:50:29 <oerjan> we _ain't_ amused
08:51:29 <oerjan> itidus21: lots of languages have formulaic fairy tale introduction idioms
08:51:48 <itidus21> do they make equally little sense gramattically?
08:52:00 <oerjan> norwegian's "det var en gang" sadly makes sense in context
08:52:18 <itidus21> it's the "upon a time" which really throws me
08:52:33 <oerjan> (it just means "there was once")
08:52:44 <pikhq_> "Mukashi mukashi" (Japanese) is kinda weird.
08:52:59 <pikhq_> "Mukashi" is a word meaning approx. "a long time ago".
08:53:09 <elliott> alternative fairytale openings: "OK, so" "It's kind of a long story, but" "Listen up, bitches:"
08:53:13 <pikhq_> Why repeating it turns it into a fairly tale introduction, I dunno.
08:53:29 <pikhq_> "A long time ago, a long time ago:"
08:53:30 <oerjan> (although it is still idiomatic: it wouldn't fit in any other context)
08:53:30 <elliott> oerjan: "There was once" is done in English too, I think
08:53:40 <elliott> pikhq_: in a galaxy far away, in a galaxy far away
08:54:00 <pikhq_> Actually, to give you a better sense of how weird that is:
08:54:02 <pikhq_> "Ago, ago:"
08:54:44 <pikhq_> I guess I'll just accept that it goes in with all the other word-repetitions-that-make-for-different-meanings, then.
08:55:05 * oerjan vaguely recalls there was one which meant something like "there was and there wasn't"
08:55:15 <pikhq_> Like "toki" (time) -> "tokidoki" (sometimes)
08:55:27 <pikhq_> Or "iro" (color) -> "iroiro" (various)
08:55:40 <pikhq_> Still friggn' weird.
08:56:15 * oerjan suddenly recalls "Det hendte i de dager da Vårherre vandret omkring på jorden" which is used for _religious_ fables
08:56:25 <elliott> what does that translate as?
08:56:46 <oerjan> It happened in those days when our Lord walked about on the earth
08:57:01 <itidus21> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_upon_a_time -- surprisingly helpful
08:57:14 <oerjan> s/those/the/
08:57:39 <elliott> "Whistle, whistle, the story is done"
08:57:41 <elliott> What a shitty ending.
08:57:50 <elliott> "'...and three days they ate, drunk and had fun."
08:57:54 <elliott> That's better.
08:57:58 <elliott> "and with a dog and a cat, the tale is finished" what
08:58:02 <monqy> "the end"
08:58:05 <elliott> s/^""/"/
08:58:15 <elliott> '...and they lived happily until they died.' '...and if they have not died yet, they still live there today.'
08:58:37 <elliott> 'And then came a pig with a long snout, and the story is out (over).' WHAT
08:58:39 <fizzie> That's the length of it.
08:58:52 <elliott> haha, I just reached that one
08:59:06 <elliott> "Disaster there, feast here... bran there, flour here..." Wow, what kind of ending is that?
08:59:23 <elliott> "There was, and there was not, there was..." Or a beginning. Georgian, explain yourself???
08:59:39 <pikhq_> 'And if they're not dead, they still live.'
08:59:47 <elliott> 'So blissful' -- good ending.
08:59:48 <pikhq_> Congrats, Danish.
08:59:52 <elliott> "And I was there, drank some mead ale, dribbled through my beard, had not in my mouth"
08:59:53 <elliott> WHAT
09:00:04 <elliott> these have to be fake
09:00:29 <fizzie> Snip, snap, snout: then this adventure is finished. What's it with snouts?
09:00:36 <pikhq_> elliott: The Japanese ending I've never seen, but it at least doesn't seem like *obvious* bullshit.
09:01:20 <pikhq_> Yup, it's accurate.
09:01:35 <pikhq_> Though the translation seems off.
09:03:27 <pikhq_> "めでたし" is a conjugation of 愛でる, defined as "美しさを味わい感動する。"... Something like "lovely", "wonderful", then.
09:03:49 <pikhq_> No idea where "blissful" came from.
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09:05:04 <ais523> the Greek ending is pretty amusing
09:05:23 <elliott> @tell oerjan I found your terminal.
09:05:23 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
09:05:37 <elliott> haha, that /is/ good
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10:03:58 <Taneb> Hello
10:06:40 <elliott> hi Taneb
10:08:10 <Taneb> I never did write the specs for Dilston, did I?
10:08:20 <Taneb> I can't get it to be not-turing complete
10:09:39 <elliott> It's hard to make things sub-TC.
10:10:00 <Taneb> I don't want it to be sub-TC, I want it to be maybe TC in a certain way
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10:10:22 <Taneb> That is, iff a non-trivial loop occurs in some collatz (hailstone) sequence
10:15:56 <elliott> Right.
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10:28:58 <elliott> "The relational database model is one of the very few things in the entire history of the computer industry where we actually got things right, up front, instead of just endlessly duct taping hack over hack."
10:29:11 <elliott> Hello, I'm a reddit commenter! I have literally never seen SQL.
10:29:24 <Taneb> Oh, SQL
10:30:33 <itidus21> . o O ( google:SQL::windows:unix )
10:32:38 <itidus21> No results found for "google:SQL::windows:unix".
10:36:15 <itidus21> i wish i didn't post the last 2 lines.
10:36:57 <itidus21> "Originally based upon relational algebra and tuple relational calculus," wow.. even SQL is based on algebra and calculus
10:39:26 <elliott> FSVO algebra; calculus.
10:41:51 <itidus21> "one of the very few things in the entire history of the computer industry" so many compliments are based on fallacies.
10:42:15 <itidus21> of course i would have believed him if i didn't read "I have literally never seen SQL."
10:47:01 <Sgeo> Isn't SQL just a thin layer over the underlying concept though?
10:48:56 <itidus21> drinking game would be take a drink every time the word relation, calculus or algebra appears in this wikipedia reference of the above quote: http://www.dbdebunk.com/page/page/1897740.htm
10:50:36 <Kray> related http://technology.amis.nl/2009/10/13/oracle-rdbms-11gr2-solving-a-sudoku-using-recursive-subquery-factoring/
10:52:50 <elliott> that's great
10:56:07 <itidus21> "<addintel> how ever this dosent resolve all the sudoku types ..maybe just the easy ones." this guys dreams are crushed
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11:24:47 <Taneb> @ping
11:24:47 <lambdabot> pong
11:25:04 <Taneb> I'm merely almost gone, it seems
11:29:32 <Patashu> hey elliott
11:29:35 <Patashu> one of my ghosts finally killed someone
11:29:38 <Patashu> <3
11:29:38 <elliott> \o/
11:29:39 <myndzi> |
11:29:39 <myndzi> /|
11:29:40 <Patashu> !lg * killer=~patashu -tv
11:29:55 <elliott> this isn't ##crawl, that won't work :P
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11:34:55 <nooga> ?
11:35:21 <nooga> another hermetic game?
11:36:22 <elliott> "Hermetic"?
11:37:18 <Taneb> !lg * killer=~patashu -tv
11:37:19 <EgoBot> This isn't ##crawl!
11:37:23 <Taneb> Perfect...
11:37:28 <nooga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetics
11:37:30 <nooga> ;d
11:37:57 <Taneb> The word "esoteric" is used in that article!
11:38:00 <Taneb> It's relevant
11:38:15 <nooga> of course it is
11:40:30 <elliott> I know what "hermetic" means.
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11:41:02 <nooga> then why ask?
11:41:15 <elliott> I was inquiring as to its specific relevance in your question.
11:41:26 <nooga> oh
11:42:02 <nooga> right
11:43:42 <nooga> i was ust curious, because every time i come back here after a while, i see some brand new stuff you're all playing with
11:44:06 <elliott> If it's a game, it might be the same one as last time, if it was within the past few weeks.
11:44:17 <elliott> (Crawl.)
11:44:23 <elliott> Unless you mean Minecraft :P
11:45:49 <nooga> minecraft isn't hermetic at all
11:46:06 <nooga> and crawl is...
11:46:08 <nooga> uh
11:46:10 <nooga> roguelike?
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11:46:21 <Taneb> Yeah
11:47:09 <nooga> btw. seen Brogue?
11:48:17 <elliott> yes
11:48:28 <elliott> it's very pretty
11:48:30 <nooga> i think it's fun
11:48:40 <elliott> and quite fun, although I haven't played it too much yet
11:48:43 <nooga> quite casual but still entertaining
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11:50:03 <elliott> crawl isn't very casual at all, but it's quite entertaining
11:50:03 <Taneb> Remember when ais523 got almost addicted to Dredmor?
11:51:22 <elliott> "almost"
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11:54:30 <Patashu> you can play crawl casually
11:54:36 <Patashu> you only need to know tab, o and i
11:55:06 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott: wait should I tell APT Guy to tell McBride to hurry the fuck up with Epigram 2 or is that no longer relevant?
11:55:07 <lambdabot> Phantom_Hoover: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
11:55:25 <elliott> Patashu: i isn't strictly necessary
11:55:34 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: That's like telling ais523 to hurry up with Feather.
11:55:40 <elliott> It accomplishes nothing.
11:55:47 <Phantom_Hoover> AH BUT
11:55:54 <Phantom_Hoover> We are not ais523's students.
11:55:59 <elliott> Yes.
11:56:00 <elliott> We are.
11:57:24 <Taneb> We are all doing computer science at Birmingham university
11:58:13 <Phantom_Hoover> Wait is ais not in manchester
11:58:27 <Taneb> ais523 is definitely Birmingham
11:58:29 <Phantom_Hoover> also why does this mac suck so much
11:58:44 <Taneb> Because it's actually a dyson
11:58:50 <Phantom_Hoover> why have apple decided that because something works on a phone it must work on a desktop
11:59:01 <Taneb> Because windows and ubuntu agree
11:59:07 <Taneb> *microsoft and canonical
11:59:56 <Taneb> I have an answer for everything
12:00:51 <Phantom_Hoover> ok lets just stab everyone
12:01:18 <Taneb> That would be a bad idea
12:01:21 <Taneb> Also slightly illegal
12:01:37 <Taneb> Also, you're in Edinburgh, and Edinburgh =/= Glasgow
12:01:41 <Taneb> Remember that!
12:01:54 <Phantom_Hoover> oh god you're right
12:01:58 <Phantom_Hoover> WHAT HAVE I BECOME
12:02:06 <Phantom_Hoover> (the answer is 'a glaswegian')
12:02:13 <Taneb> A Glasw-- dammit
12:02:13 <elliott> `quote glasgow
12:02:16 <HackEgo> 512) <Phantom_Hoover> Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 679) <Phantom_Hoover> No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. <Phantom_Hoover> It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum.
12:02:39 <Phantom_Hoover> Words of wisdom, there.
12:03:08 <Taneb> `quote breakfast
12:03:11 <HackEgo> 474) <NihilistDandy> Non sequitur is my forte <NihilistDandy> On-topic discussion is my piano <Taneb> Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte <Taneb> Full fat milk is my pianissimo <Taneb> On which note, I'm hungry \ 496) <Taneb> I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency \ 767) <fungot> elliott: to be honest, it doesn't exist in a state of almost perpetual
12:03:25 <Taneb> `quote 767
12:03:28 <HackEgo> 767) <fungot> elliott: to be honest, it doesn't exist in a state of almost perpetual stalemate, and expands to a larger board and more exotic collection of what he refers to as a thermal hull, instead of some kind of clock pun. no, dammit, will this breakfast injure his shrill, bearded, scraggly old men in space. jade's radioactive, omnipotent, space-warping dog named...
12:03:36 <Taneb> ^style
12:03:37 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
12:04:07 <Phantom_Hoover> Thought that would continue as "a state of almost perpetual breakfast".
12:04:25 <Taneb> But alas, it doesn't
12:05:44 <Phantom_Hoover> `quote octopus
12:05:46 <HackEgo> 217) <zzo38> Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 248) <zzo38> ais523: Maybe it is better, because I don't think the octopus will live very well in the tree. But the difference is that the Internet is lying and you cannot see such things; you could make modified picture, though, in order to lie more clearly, at least.
12:06:14 <Phantom_Hoover> Someone should invent those some day.
12:06:22 <Taneb> Here's an idea: a Fungot style based on the quotes
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12:08:50 <Taneb> I like how more than 8% of this channel is bots
12:09:12 <Taneb> 10% if you count myndzi
12:09:32 <Taneb> 12% if you count elliott
12:09:38 <elliott> :(
12:09:49 <elliott> There aren't enough quotes to be a decent fungot style, I think.
12:09:51 <fungot> elliott: seems to be absent, just build a lazy stream in the sense of " i am xenu" and tell them that
12:10:07 <Taneb> That's because you keep deleting them
12:10:18 <Taneb> Maybe if we incorporate bash.org
12:10:20 <Taneb> @quote
12:10:20 <lambdabot> Berengal says: data Neither a b = Left | Right
12:10:22 <Taneb> And that
12:10:22 <elliott> I keep deleting the crappy ones.
12:10:34 <Taneb> @help quote
12:10:34 <lambdabot> quote <nick>
12:10:35 <lambdabot> remember <nick> <quote>
12:10:35 <lambdabot> Quote somebody, a random person, or save a memorable quote
12:12:19 <elliott> "Aw, that sucks." -GOD
12:13:46 <elliott> `quote tortoise
12:13:48 <HackEgo> No output.
12:13:49 <elliott> `quote acid
12:13:52 <HackEgo> 274) <zzo38> Lymia: I put big spider in my bed already. So if you have no more left you do not have to worry about it anymore. You can just take a cold shower or hot acid or whatever you want to, instead.
12:13:53 <elliott> `quote super
12:13:56 <HackEgo> 579) <Phantom_Hoover> THERE WAS A VISIBLE SUPERNOVA AND NOBODY FUCKING TOLD ME??????????????????????????/ \ 640) <shachaf> Real Tar is GNU tar. <shachaf> You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough.
12:13:57 <elliott> `quote ignorance
12:14:00 <HackEgo> 619) <fungot> sadhu: it's been said that boole is the crowning jewel perched precariously upon the perfect peak of programmer prowess, casting its limitless limpid light over the loathesome lands of those who scuff and wallow in the dreary dust of digital depravity and unbounded wilful ignorance of the testament of our lord jesus christ into your life.
12:14:01 <elliott> `quote no
12:14:04 <HackEgo> 9) <Madelon> Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? <Lil`Cube> not yet <Lil`Cube> trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 12) <fungot> GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, you know the rest. \ 28) <Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour" \ 30) <ehird> pikhq: A lunar
12:14:38 <elliott> Taneb: Do you have an opinion on the quote identifier issue?
12:17:34 <Taneb> Which quote identifier issue?
12:20:01 <elliott> Taneb: Well, you know how deleting quotes changes the numbers of other ones?
12:20:14 <elliott> That sucks. It would be nice to have a better means by which to identify quotes.
12:20:56 <elliott> Some options are: persistent integers (quote identifiers are never reused, and gaps are allowed; this is what the old quote system did); timestamps; prefixes of cryptographic hashes; and the text of the quotes themselves.
12:21:42 <Taneb> I'd go for a combo of the current system and persistent integers, which on thinking about it wouldn't work at all
12:22:00 <elliott> What combo, out of curiosity?
12:22:13 <Taneb> Each quote gets two numbers
12:22:27 <elliott> That sounds confusing :)
12:22:28 <Taneb> One permanent, one temporary
12:22:47 <Taneb> It wouldn't work, though
12:23:14 <Taneb> They'd interfere with each-other like an unobserved photon and itself
12:23:59 <elliott> `echo (2012-05-16T13:23:44) Abc def quux.
12:24:01 <HackEgo> ​(2012-05-16T13:23:44) Abc def quux.
12:24:07 <elliott> Hmm, that's a pain to copy here.
12:24:11 <elliott> Taneb: Does that select as one word for you?
12:24:30 <Taneb> It doesn't grab the brackets
12:24:42 <elliott> Right, that's intended behaviour. Not so for me.
12:24:58 <elliott> `echo (ac62d173) How about this?
12:25:01 <HackEgo> ​(ac62d173) How about this?
12:25:26 <elliott> (As in, aesthetically.)
12:25:48 <Taneb> Looks like a jumbled mess
12:26:02 <Taneb> Could work
12:28:16 <elliott> Hmm.
12:28:27 <elliott> `echo (20120516T132344) Abc def quux.
12:28:30 <HackEgo> ​(20120516T132344) Abc def quux.
12:28:35 <elliott> Ugh, that's just so ugly though.
12:28:41 <elliott> The hash is nicer. But even that's suboptimal.
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12:29:11 <elliott> Hi Phantom_Hoover. Do you have an opinion on the quote identifier issue?
12:29:12 <Taneb> elliott, does it break on the hyphendashes, or the colons, or both?
12:29:21 <elliott> Taneb: Both.
12:29:29 <Taneb> Hmm
12:29:34 <Phantom_Hoover> Obviously quotes should be allowed in identifiers.
12:29:38 <elliott> (I love you for "hyphendashes".)
12:29:46 <elliott> (But it's "HYPHEN-MINUS".)
12:29:59 <Phantom_Hoover> Would we outlaw the classic int to_be_or_not_to_be?
12:30:02 <elliott> Hyphenminogrives.
12:30:04 <Taneb> (Dammit, I knew it was two of them, but which one)
12:30:20 <Phantom_Hoover> Or veniVidiVici :: IO Bool?
12:30:54 <elliott> NO -GOD
12:32:05 <Taneb> main = do {x <- veniVidiVici; if x then return () else putStrLn "alea iacta est" >> main}
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12:35:48 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: But seriously. :'(
12:36:19 <Phantom_Hoover> Obviously you should be allowed to have quotes in identifiers, otherwise Haskellers couldn't pretend to be mathematicians
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12:36:23 <Phantom_Hoover> nooooooooooooooooo
12:36:35 <Phantom_Hoover> my wicker burn!!!
12:36:38 <Phantom_Hoover> em
12:36:49 <Phantom_Hoover> *wicke-- OK that's too entertaining to correct.
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12:37:49 <Phantom_Hoover> check logs for wicker burn
12:39:10 <elliott> yubnjkm ,
12:39:24 <elliott> 12:36:19: <Phantom_Hoover> Obviously you should be allowed to have quotes in identifiers, otherwise Haskellers couldn't pretend to be mathematicians
12:39:29 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: one day im punch you
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12:39:47 <elliott> Taneb: let's punch Phantom_Hoover
12:39:49 <Phantom_Hoover> aha but how can you punch hoover
12:39:56 <Phantom_Hoover> your fist will just get hoovered
12:40:25 <elliott> ill punch from inside the bag
12:41:14 <Phantom_Hoover> bag is reinforced anti-punch bag
12:42:06 <elliott> my punch sis too scrtorng
12:42:13 <elliott> -GOD
12:43:18 <Taneb> We could just take him to Glasgow
12:43:24 <Taneb> And let the natives deal with him
12:43:45 <Taneb> (People from Hexham are immune to Glasgow. We even have a train that goes there)
12:43:49 <Phantom_Hoover> NO that is INHUMANE
12:44:23 <Taneb> Says the ghostly vacuum cleaner
12:45:02 <Phantom_Hoover> wait yes you ALSO cannot punch me unless your fists are DRENCHED IN HOLY WATER
12:45:08 <elliott> Taneb: I like the way you think. Yr promoted.
12:45:47 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, I'm technically possibly catholic. I have access to Holy Water.
12:47:49 <Phantom_Hoover> My cousin was astonished that I haven't been confirmed.
12:47:54 <elliott> XD
12:47:59 <Taneb> Neither have I
12:48:05 <elliott> You're just so Catholic, Phantom_Hoover!
12:48:52 <Taneb> It appears Misfile is doing a Christmas arc
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13:59:40 <Phantom_Hoover> Wait doesn't everyone have access to holy water?
13:59:57 <Phantom_Hoover> You can buy it at gift shops at pligrimage sites.
14:00:04 <Phantom_Hoover> *pilgrimage
14:02:09 <Taneb> >>
14:02:10 <Taneb> <<
14:02:15 <itidus21> alongside pheromones
14:02:25 <Taneb> Is Hexham a pilgrimage site?
14:02:30 <Taneb> I DON'T THINK SO
14:02:41 <itidus21> it is for monks of esolang
14:02:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Just head for Ireland, it's not that far.
14:03:02 <Taneb> Lindesfarne's closer
14:03:23 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: I *am* Ireland on toast.
14:03:31 <elliott> *You're* the angel fraud, right? House.
14:03:38 <elliott> *Exoskeleton*, y'all.
14:03:50 <itidus21> it pains me to want to use the words monks of esolang when i am not really
14:03:51 <Phantom_Hoover> We are all happy *campers*!
14:03:58 <elliott> Woo the *excellent minister* for Olympics!
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14:04:34 <elliott> Supremum is like and *what's* effervescent?
14:05:01 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: Are *you* OK?
14:05:22 <Phantom_Hoover> Phantom_Hoover is not one *bubble*.
14:05:28 <Phantom_Hoover> Phantom_Hoover is many *fingers*.
14:05:49 <elliott> Taneb: It's okay to *burn* without fumes.
14:06:20 <elliott> I'm *dead* porcupine.
14:07:04 <elliott> Well, shucks, *gargoyles*. I'm business endeavour.
14:09:02 <itidus21> whenever i try to use some "filter" on my next chat post, i find a reluctance form to post anything meaningful or substantial
14:09:38 <itidus21> filter in this sense being something like put * around a random word
14:10:03 <elliott> `quote
14:10:03 <elliott> `quote
14:10:04 <elliott> `quote
14:10:05 <elliott> `quote
14:10:07 <elliott> `quote
14:10:12 <HackEgo> 162) <fizzie> It's like mathematicians, where the next step up from "trivial" is "open research question". <fizzie> "Nope... No...This problem can't be done AT ALL. This one--maybe, but only with two yaks and a sherpa. ..."
14:10:15 <HackEgo> 838) <kmc> i saw Godspeed You! Black Emperor live <kmc> it is hard to tell when the soundcheck ends and the set begins
14:10:17 <HackEgo> 768) <itidus21> the possession of diamonds by the bourgeois is more about establishing their bourgeoisness more than wanting a malleable metal <itidus21> oops i forgot i said diamonds instead of gold
14:10:20 <HackEgo> 505) <Phantom_Hoover> You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug?
14:10:25 <HackEgo> 641) <oerjan> <Patashu> But wait what if I'm using a quantum computer <-- there is "quantum entropy". it's the same except no one understands it.
14:11:13 <elliott> 768 or 505, I think.
14:11:17 <elliott> itidus21: Phantom_Hoover: Duke it out.
14:11:50 * Phantom_Hoover punches itidus with MATHS
14:12:30 * itidus21 /me
14:13:09 <itidus21> what? the?
14:13:36 <kmc> MATHS stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin
14:13:36 <lambdabot> kmc: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
14:13:57 <itidus21> Malvern Armadale Toorak Hawthorn South Yarra
14:16:47 <itidus21> http://ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/Maps/Routes/GIFs/6_Frankston.gif -- hawksburn? whatever
14:17:44 <kmc> :O
14:17:56 <itidus21> so i got one wrong
14:18:02 <kmc> that's incredible
14:18:06 <kmc> i must tell my train/math nerd friends
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14:20:18 <kmc> the melbourne metropolitan railway map is really dumb
14:20:33 <kmc> all the lines are the same color
14:21:44 <itidus21> the 2 colors indicates the ticket zones. basically there is the zone 1 in the middle and zone 2 on the outside.. there used to be 3 until a few years ago
14:21:54 <kmc> yeah
14:23:33 <kmc> but it's much more common (and useful) to indicate zones with area shading, and use the line colors themselves to indicate service patterns
14:24:06 <itidus21> heh
14:25:25 <itidus21> as for tickets here, they're trying to make this new fast system but it's a bit of a blunder
14:25:25 <kmc> as on the London or Paris maps for example
14:28:36 <itidus21> life gets kinda boring when you have no money
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14:32:08 <Taneb> I've got relatives in Melbourne
14:32:37 <elliott> I *am* Melbourne (hold the toast).
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14:33:16 <itidus21> talking about tickets reminds me of the places i've been, and times i've gone shopping etc
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14:42:31 <Taneb> I think English is an awful global language, but for now we're stuck with it
14:42:37 <Taneb> Or at least I am
14:43:42 <elliott> I was going to reply in Lojban but then I forgot all the very small amount of Lojban I knew.
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14:44:51 <Taneb> Lojban would be a brilliant global language except no-one speaks it
14:45:26 <elliott> it wouldn't really be that brilliant
14:45:31 <elliott> but it might be amusing at least
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15:14:01 <Taneb> Hey guys, I have a Hackage account now!
15:15:13 <elliott> oh dear god
15:15:16 <elliott> we're doomed
15:15:44 <Taneb> :{P
15:16:07 <Taneb> When I feel evil I grow a kinda sucky moustache
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15:25:27 <elliott> Taneb: That...
15:26:45 <Taneb> }. Does that make you feel better?
15:27:05 <Taneb> ^celebrate
15:27:05 <fungot> \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/
15:27:06 <myndzi> | | | `\o/´ | | | `\o/´ | | |
15:27:06 <myndzi> /< |\ /´\ | /< /< /| | |\ /´\ /'\
15:27:06 <myndzi> /\ (_|¯`\
15:27:06 <myndzi> (_| |_) |_)
15:38:23 <Taneb> fungot
15:38:24 <fungot> Taneb: that's pretty useless in a language without a purpose, no?) ' eq?' instead. beats germany.
15:38:42 <Taneb> ^style iwcs
15:38:42 <fungot> Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts)
15:38:52 <Taneb> fungot, what do you think of my hackage account?
15:38:53 <fungot> Taneb: a strange fantasy land on the threshold of the door. expressed the opinon that if anyone knows the place, but it has given me a splitting the profits for the nigerian government!
16:05:30 <Gregor> That's actually a surprisingly cogent response.
16:34:16 <fizzie> fungot: Why are you being cogent. Stop being cogent. You're not built to be cogent.
16:34:16 <fungot> fizzie: i know! i'll assemble a prize, finance minister, the new tech to build a time like!
16:35:48 <elliott> fizzie: Uh oh. He's... ASSEMBLING A PRIZE.
16:49:59 <Phantom_Hoover> hello
16:54:37 <Taneb> Hello
16:58:42 <elliott> hi
16:58:55 <Phantom_Hoover> we are all in agreement then
16:59:20 <elliott> im not
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16:59:27 <kallisti> fungot: I love you
16:59:27 <fungot> kallisti: no, the boy, do i? jolly good. nothing has a bite that big to you, our helpful. ' is phone is still workin' class, guv.
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17:01:29 <itidus21> fungot
17:01:29 <fungot> itidus21: there's the internet, adam. it could just apply a jolly good. nothing has a bite that big, long turn, we be evadin' pursuit, you're sorely mistaken, my good man. all hobbits are hard a starboard, helmsman!
17:01:52 <itidus21> wonders if adam apply is a pun
17:02:03 <Taneb> fizzie, I think fungot is jolly good
17:02:03 <fungot> Taneb: you... you're jane, my experience here's ' elped me decide on a career too!
17:02:27 <Taneb> itidus21, probably a coincidence, seeing as IWC has a character called Adam
17:02:55 <itidus21> indeed. fungot doesn't understand a word i'm saying.
17:02:55 <fungot> itidus21: do i look like ben, you dolt conjure a fireball the likes of you, going, monty. a shipment of arms! solidarity will prevail over any opposition! we shall i?
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17:11:43 <itidus21> fungot
17:11:43 <fungot> itidus21: our own! how close a friend, is a pint," replied merry, " never heard the news from the east of paris. made of plaster
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17:17:47 <elliott> fungot
17:17:47 <fungot> elliott: you are not evil, terrible things are happening. this is the lost plateau marked on the map, and ye be havin' the muscles to account for die increased mass, it is.
17:19:10 <itidus21> "this is the lost plateau marked on the map"
17:19:20 <Phantom_Hoover> Inspiring :')
17:19:28 <Phantom_Hoover> ^style
17:19:28 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs* jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
17:24:08 <elliott> Fingeres
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17:29:35 <Taneb> I like how it goes from pirate to german in less than 7 words
17:34:14 <quintopia> elliott: i agree. a pint is quite a friend
17:34:28 <quintopia> ^style iwcs
17:34:29 <fungot> Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts)
17:34:34 <quintopia> oh
17:34:36 <quintopia> never read that
17:36:53 <elliott> there's also
17:36:56 <elliott> ^style iwca
17:36:56 <fungot> Not found.
17:36:58 <elliott> ^style iwc
17:36:58 <fungot> Not found.
17:37:01 <elliott> oh
17:37:05 <elliott> only iwcs is in
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18:33:37 <nortti> http://www.retroprogramming.com/2009/07/perverse-code-deviant-forth.html
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18:56:38 <lambdabot> elliott said 9h 51m 9s ago: I found your terminal.
18:57:18 <elliott> hi
18:57:56 <oerjan> g'day
18:58:08 <elliott> : )
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23:01:00 <Phantom_Hoover> fungot!
23:01:00 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: the very air, with minnesota jones, and i'll make the best, a minor thing, but laughed it off one of the marx of elven philosophy.
23:17:27 <Phantom_Hoover> fungot!
23:17:27 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: a bit of a noble way of the most secure and well-guarded buildings in the world, we should at the way you stopped the orcs are nearby forest logging in a sensitive wilderness. they're a regular letters back in the 1950s
23:17:28 <Phantom_Hoover> fungot!
23:17:28 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: i should probably forget alchemy. two or three, my dear, not gilderoy lockhart again, too literal with the same of your cat
23:17:28 <Phantom_Hoover> fungot!
23:17:29 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: no, a real, that's the beauty! bends over to touch the frog, the rake, and the enormous craniums? we never seem to be having a bit of a noble way of the most secure and well-guarded buildings in the world, we should at my word install the patch of light a star. they're too uncouth point, followed by the gerund if necessary, bein' too hot, but would also knock back a beer, get big mad, all is not lost. several we
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23:22:10 <nortti> J is pretty interesting language
23:22:11 <Phantom_Hoover> oh no i broke him
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