00:11:16 <itidus21> <nortti_> who does "you" include? <-- his "you" mustn't be questioned. :D
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00:29:57 <itidus21> Phantom_Hoover: some people apparently feast on knowledge in their early 20s... i don't know wheer they get the time or energy for it
00:31:05 <itidus21> maybe cos my schooling didn't go so well
00:33:24 <itidus21> knowing things is depressing in a way
00:33:37 <itidus21> becoming aware of the ubiquity of experiences
00:38:31 <itidus21> or the way we humans make a big deal about continents, but were we to drain up the water, all we would find is a giant desert
00:51:09 <itidus21> i think that learning is a delicate balancing act to ensure that you're still crazy enough at the end to want to use what you learned
00:57:55 <itidus21> one important step to success is to avoid learning any national security secrets that would encourage them to keep you under their eye
00:58:13 <HackEgo> ? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quachaf \ quoerjan
00:59:33 <itidus21> another is avoid NDA's where reasonably possible
01:00:57 <Sgeo_> HackEgo doesn't do binary files?
01:03:28 <itidus21> more importantly, if you are smart enough that someone thinks it's worth getting you to sign an NDA especially avoid it then
01:03:38 <Phantom_Hoover> <itidus21> or the way we humans make a big deal about continents, but were we to drain up the water, all we would find is a giant desert
01:04:34 <itidus21> its ujst a thought that popped into my head
01:06:48 <itidus21> it may help if i explain that when i joined here i expected to find basic derivatives. everything else that followed can be traced back to that
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01:13:25 <Sgeo_> Phantom_Hoover, even I've made a BF derivative (ok, so I'm not exactly the best person to use "even I've")
01:13:54 <Sgeo_> zzo38 used it in his own language.
01:14:20 <Phantom_Hoover> I don't think I can get zzo38 to do anything, on account of him being almost Lovecraftianly incomprehensible.
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01:14:37 <itidus21> i mean i probably expected to find lisp, scheme, squeak, smalltalk, ocaml, bugsys, etc derivatives
01:14:39 <Phantom_Hoover> The best I can do is just leave him and hope the cultists don't work out how to awaken him from his slumber.
01:14:58 <Sgeo_> itidus21, I've made a BF derivative
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01:15:16 <zzo38> That's OK I don't let the cultists work out how to awaken me from my slumber.
01:15:43 <zzo38> I will awake by myself when I want to be awake.
01:16:36 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: Perhaps you are next.
01:23:51 <kallisti> Phantom_Hoover: I make good language
01:24:04 <kallisti> I am worthy to be called #esoteric
01:26:09 <kallisti> Each person can have a total of up to 52 pulp organs, 32 in the permanent and 20 in the primary teeth. The total volumes of all the permanent teeth organs is 0.38cc and the mean volume of a single adult human pulp is 0.02cc.
01:26:58 <kallisti> Phantom_Hoover: does the UK flouridate its drinking water?
01:27:09 <kallisti> we do so in the US, and it's a big controversy
01:29:21 <kallisti> reducing dental care costs for poor families with many young children at very little cost is evil.
01:30:26 <pikhq> kallisti: See, it's mind-damaging poison.
01:35:49 <Phantom_Hoover> You know full well nobody's seriously arguing that it's bad because it improves dental health, and to dismiss all safety concerns as fears of it being 'mind-damaging poison' is not just dumb, it's patronising as hell.
01:36:47 <zzo38> I think Phantom_Hoover is correct.
01:37:16 <kallisti> I didn't say that's what they were arguing. I was saying that's the actual results of flouridation.
01:37:25 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: "Although water fluoridation can cause dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of developing teeth, most of this is mild and usually not considered to be of aesthetic or public-health concern. There is no clear evidence of other adverse effects. Moderate-quality studies have investigated effectiveness; studies on adverse effects have been mostly of low quality."
01:37:31 <elliott> the case for fluoride seems pretty well cut out to me
01:37:39 <elliott> and all anti-flouridation I have seen has been of the conspiratorial sort
01:38:07 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, I'm not saying it isn't, I'm saying that kallisti and pikhq's statements were dumb.
01:39:11 <Phantom_Hoover> I have seen serious discussion as to fluoride's safety, and although it concluded it's safe the alternative was seriously considered.
01:40:31 <kallisti> you could say that it puts too much trust in the government to ensure public safety. However, that argument extends to almost any large-scale public works project.
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01:57:36 <kallisti> itidus21: alternatively you could cover all the continents with water
01:57:41 <kallisti> and you'd just have a big ocean
01:57:57 <kallisti> not so important now, silly humans.
02:00:46 <kallisti> sometime in the distant future all of the continents will eventually merge together again
02:01:52 <kallisti> I'd like to imagine that society dissolves
02:01:57 <kallisti> but we're still alive as a species
02:02:27 <kallisti> I'd be willing to bet money that a sci-fi book about this very subject already exists.
02:03:07 <itidus21> you should always account for the fact that the person taking your bets might not care if you win
02:04:00 * kallisti roams the Neopangean landscape atop the sturdy spine of his feathered Neovelociraptor companion.
02:04:17 <kallisti> yeah everything is the same but with a Neo- prefix.
02:05:48 <kallisti> oh, except Velocirators weren't present during Pangea
02:06:25 <kallisti> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnachronismStew
02:10:19 <kallisti> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SomewhereAPalaeontologistIsCrying
02:11:19 <Phantom_Hoover> Soon you'll realise that the idiots renamed all the "You Fail X Forever" into "Artistic Licence - X" to go easy on the poor little artists.
02:12:05 <pikhq> It's pretty simple, really. Some people seem to have gotten into their head that tvtropes should be 'serious'.
02:12:16 <pikhq> Rather than, uh, a bunch of people snarking at media extensively.
02:12:28 <kallisti> but that's all I /want/ from it. :(
02:14:41 <Phantom_Hoover> Also they purged like all the sex-related tropes because apparently sex is something only perverts care about.
02:15:05 <kallisti> Phantom_Hoover: you are a pervert for knowing about those articles
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02:16:41 <Phantom_Hoover> (OK well to some extent it was Google adsense forcing their hands, but IIRC they made it far more puritan than it had to be.)
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03:16:25 <Sgeo_> String comparing on RSS from Twitter does not work
03:16:34 <Sgeo_> Because it will sometimes mix up the order of attributes
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04:24:57 <Sgeo_> Is pooryorick a regular here?
04:28:04 <zzo38> Someone I ask told me that there is no rule in boxing that says you have to get up as soon as you are able to.
04:28:27 <zzo38> Sgeo_: I don't know!!
04:37:15 <kallisti> zzo38: is there any rule in Indy racing that you have to press the accelerator
04:38:47 <zzo38> Does anyone drive behind you in Indy?
04:58:45 <itidus21> kallisti: who do you ask? _who_?
05:01:15 <itidus21> zzo38: are you still playing that text boxing sim? :D
05:03:29 <itidus21> in a professional chess tournament is it ok to wear a small lcd screen with flashing lights on your head?
05:06:53 <kallisti> though I've read stories about youth chess tournaments where opponents would tap their finger lightly
05:07:02 <kallisti> as a way to distract their opponent in a criticial move.
05:07:25 <kallisti> a very subtle thing that you could barely notice consciously.
05:07:58 <itidus21> is it illegal to sit in your indy car while you play chess?
05:08:12 <itidus21> inside the tournament building that is
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06:25:03 <zzo38> itidus21: Yes I have still played that text boxing sim as well as other BBS door games today
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09:23:59 <Sgeo__> What's the formal name for Python's sucky coroutines?
09:25:43 <Sgeo__> Does that encompass the lack of a function being able to ... nest... generators to become a generator
09:25:52 <Sgeo__> Wow, I have no idea how to describe what I want to say
09:26:23 * Sgeo__ vaguely wonders what metaprogramming is like in Lua compared to Tcl
09:27:36 <shachaf> Python3 has "yield from" which is maybe what you're talking about?
09:28:01 <shachaf> You still need to mark places that use generators explicitly.
09:28:42 <Sgeo__> shachaf, oh, wow. That's good. Still can be annoying I guess, but at least it's livable
09:29:03 <Sgeo__> Wait, ... no. Can't really pass that into something as a callback, can you?
09:29:20 <shachaf> I'm not sure what you mean.
09:30:12 <Sgeo__> As in, a function that takes a callback, using generators to do a continuation-like thing and essentially telling the thing asking for the callback to resume the generator
09:30:38 <shachaf> So doing coöperative threading of sorts?
09:31:22 <shachaf> You would presumably have some kind of scheduler and add the suspended "thread" to the queue when you got the callback.
09:32:13 <Sgeo__> I remember in a C# 3.5 project having to write a scheduler
09:32:48 <shachaf> "scheduler" is perhaps an overstatement here.
09:34:08 <shachaf> while True: queue.pop().next() # or something
10:21:46 <ion> Ubisoft games on your computer? Any webpage can run any executable on your computer through their DRM crap. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4311264
10:25:10 <Sgeo__> I just helped someone in #tcl
10:25:23 <Sgeo__> How do I go so quickly from newbie to someone capable of providing help?
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10:43:56 <Sgeo__> I'm suddenly struck by how popular purl.org is
10:44:03 <itidus21> Sgeo__: the explanation which is most damaging to your ego is the most likely one to be true
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11:03:43 <fizzie> Heh, got five "on vacation" autoreplies to an email sent to the department staff@ address. It's the season.
11:11:11 <Sgeo__> So, just wrote code relying on a thing called xsxp under the impression that it was an XML parser. It is not.
11:11:46 <fizzie> Like the old adage says, "everything that's got an X in it is not an XML parser".
11:12:34 <Sgeo__> Well, something that calls itself an XML parser should probably be an XML parser.
11:12:36 <Sgeo__> "eXtremely Simple Xml Parser
11:13:08 <Sgeo__> It's more of a pretty interface to some other parser
11:15:54 <ion> X.org isn’t an XML parser?
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11:55:44 <GlitchMr> I've feeling that this language isn't esoteric enough: http://paste.uk.to/6d77917c
11:58:01 <nortti> @msg Vorpal pictures of my t20: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0073.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0074.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0075.jpg
11:58:11 <nortti> @tell Vorpal pictures of my t20: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0073.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0074.jpg https://dl.dropbox.com/u/28915864/IMAG0075.jpg
11:59:00 <GlitchMr> Samsung SyncMaster710? I once had such... :P
12:03:35 <GlitchMr> Also, I think I went too far with implementing unit testing in my language :P
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12:43:44 <fizzie> I think I had a SyncMaster brand CRT once.
12:44:36 <fizzie> It was notable for having that 5*BNC style input too, and those also supported combined H/V sync (and sync on green) so I could use a 13w3/4*BNC adapter cable with it.
12:45:18 <fizzie> Maybe "notable" is a bit too fancy a word.
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13:41:10 <itidus21> s/It was notable for having/It had/
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13:54:02 <nortti> GlitchMr: I got that syncmaster for free few years ago
13:55:14 <nortti> the computer is literaly dug from dumpster
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15:07:24 <Sgeo__> nortti, I was forced to use an obsolete tDOm because I couldn't get TclXml working with tclkit and I couldn't find a newish tdom.kit
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19:56:15 <nortti> do you know about the state of Plan 9? Is is completely unusable, usable by my standard or really usable?
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20:03:27 <fizzie> Antwerp railway station: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/20120721_003.jpg
20:05:43 <fizzie> It was also still like that about seven hours laters when we were leaving.
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21:51:00 <mroman> Lambdabot tells you when you got messages :)
21:51:32 <mroman> No, I don't talk with myself!
21:51:51 <lambdabot> Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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22:00:51 <ion> @@ @tell elliott @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo
22:00:57 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
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