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00:22:40 <Phantom_Hoover> Everyone's jumping ship, I see.
00:23:04 <elliott> ?
00:23:04 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
00:23:23 <Phantom_Hoover> I guess they might also just be sleeping.
00:23:42 <elliott> @ask monqy your messages were beautiful.
00:23:42 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:23:48 <elliott> @ask monqy I will watch your brogue game
00:23:48 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:39:56 <shachaf> @@ @tell ion @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo
00:39:56 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:45:10 <elliott> @ask monqy nice D:1 plate armour, you cheater
00:45:10 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:45:55 <shachaf> elliott: Did you see that great SO question?
00:49:57 <elliott> probably not
00:50:33 <Phantom_Hoover> was it great
00:53:47 <elliott> @ask monqy close call with the purple gas and the shattering on D:7
00:53:47 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:54:37 <Sgeo__> What game?
00:55:17 <elliott> Sgeo__: brogue
00:55:21 <elliott> it's excellent, you should play it
00:56:13 <elliott> @ask monqy either the recording viewer handles it badly (slowly) or you actually rest manually instead of using Z
00:56:13 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:57:25 <Sgeo__> Ah. Really wish there were brogue servers
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00:58:32 <elliott> i'm idly working on a streaming patch. recording files work pretty well, though.
00:58:41 <elliott> a lot of them are posted on the forums
01:01:14 <Sgeo__> Cool, at the streaming patch
01:12:38 <elliott> @ask monqy goes out of sync on turn 8728 : (
01:12:38 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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01:43:42 <zzo38> I made this MagicKit improvements http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=9137 but you can tell me please if you think should have other improvements too, which one do you want?
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02:38:39 <ion> > co "coward"
02:38:42 <lambdabot> "ward"
02:42:57 <Sgeo__> co?
02:45:43 <pikhq_> @source co
02:45:43 <lambdabot> co not available
02:49:44 <Sgeo__> @src co
02:49:44 <lambdabot> Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
02:53:40 <Jafet> @check \coy -> co y == case coy of 'c':'o':y -> y; y -> 'c':'o':y
02:53:41 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `co'
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03:59:20 <elliott> hello monqy
04:00:56 <monqy> hi
04:00:56 <lambdabot> monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
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09:55:08 <kmc> hi shachaf
09:55:31 <shachaf> hi kmc
09:57:45 <shachaf> kmc: Now I can't randomly move conversations over to the other channel!
09:58:13 <shachaf> I'm not quite sure what happened but I hope you stick around somewhere or other.
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10:01:23 <kmc> thanks
10:01:30 <kmc> what happened should be pretty clear if you read the logs
10:02:54 <elliott> mysterious
10:03:19 <shachaf> I read the logs and couldn't figure it out.
10:04:13 <kmc> joshua_ was a douche to me in a way that i can't really tolerate
10:04:30 <kmc> i explained why i was upset, and gave him an opportunity to say something in response, which he declined to do
10:04:33 <kmc> so i left
10:04:52 * shachaf 's people-being-rude-on-the-Internet detector may be broken.
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10:05:24 <shachaf> elliott: "exciting #suction happenings"
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10:58:26 <ion> Buttermilk "plays" with her "friends" http://youtu.be/5IuRzJRrRpQ
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11:32:30 <Sgeo__> elliott, Brogue has an ID system o.O
11:32:51 <monqy> is Sgeo__ playing brogue
11:33:06 <Sgeo__> monqy, I might start
11:33:10 <Sgeo__> Currently just reading wiki
11:33:18 <monqy> I hear the wiki contains wrong information
11:33:41 <monqy> elliott: are you going to teach sgeo how to be good at brogue
11:35:15 <elliott> <Sgeo__> elliott, Brogue has an ID system o.O
11:35:16 <elliott> astonishing
11:35:19 <elliott> a roguelike with an id system
11:35:33 <elliott> Sgeo__: just play it, it spoils you on 90% of everything if you look at descriptions
11:35:44 <elliott> including hit rolls etc.
11:35:53 <Sgeo__> elliott, I was under the impression that id systems were generally disliked in here, or by someone in here, or is that specific to Crawl and NetHack IDing?
11:36:08 <elliott> i don't like most id systems and crawl's is especially bad
11:36:13 <elliott> brogue's is not objectionable
11:38:17 <Sgeo__> It's interesting to read about a game without playing it.
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11:40:37 <Sgeo__> http://brogue.wikia.com/wiki/Staff_of_Blinking
11:40:49 <Sgeo__> The description in-game does not appear to be enough to aide with proper use
11:41:46 <monqy> oh no
11:41:49 <elliott> Sgeo__: it is impossible to write a complete strategy guide for use of items and terrain in brogue because the whole game is figuring out how to exploit those things within the context of a randomly generated terrain; it is 100% a game about dealing with what you get and exploiting your surroundings to your advantage
11:42:10 <elliott> therefore the only guide that can possibly be helpful for 90% of things is trial and error, building the skill of learning to recognise uses
11:42:30 <elliott> there are some things that are relatively constant (for instance, how to play the id game) but those are easily figured out in a game or two if not explained
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11:43:00 <Sgeo__> elliott, by proper use, I mean details of how the item functions such as "It uses all the charges to put you $num_of_charges spaces in that direction"
11:43:28 <elliott> huh?
11:43:33 <Sgeo__> elliott, did you read what I linked?
11:43:50 <elliott> yes.
11:44:04 <elliott> the in-game description is perfectly consistent, only a misreading would suggest the erroneous interpretation that the wiki tries to suggest;
11:44:09 <elliott> additionally, the in-game targetting makes it completely clear
11:44:11 <elliott> as it displays the beam
11:44:20 <elliott> and hence you would see it is impossible to use it to teleport
11:44:34 <Sgeo__> Ah, ok
11:45:53 <elliott> iirc at least the guide thing on the wiki is terrible
11:46:06 <monqy> i dont read the wiki so
11:47:47 <Sgeo__> I like watching Let's Plays
11:47:52 <Sgeo__> I'll see if there's a Let's Play
11:48:07 <elliott> Sgeo__: just watch one of the recordings on the forum or something
11:48:26 <elliott> mikeym or Creaphis or i-forget-who-else if you want to see a good player
11:49:04 <Sgeo__> Hmm, anything wrong with watching one on YouTube?
11:49:13 <Sgeo__> I actually get narration that way.
11:49:26 <Sgeo__> I guess even though I tend to prefer blind LPs, there's no point with Brogue?
11:49:37 <monqy> how can you use your imagination if you have narration
11:49:41 <monqy> how can you use your imagination if you're not playing yourself
11:49:43 <monqy> how can you use your imagination, sgeo
11:50:16 <Phantom_Hoover> It's not an LP if there's no commentary, really.
11:50:45 <Sgeo__> Oh, the one I'm watching is largely blind
11:51:34 <monqy> why would you watch a blind lp of brogue, don't want any informative information or spoiling on how to play well?
11:52:09 <Sgeo__> Because I like blind LPs, it's fun to watch someone struggle to learn how to play a game
11:52:32 <Sgeo__> I tend to look for text if I want to learn how to play a game well
11:53:10 <elliott> monqy: sgeo doesn't like doing things, he just likes consuming media about doing things
11:53:25 <Sgeo__> What elliott said.
11:53:43 <elliott> it is sad that you agree
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12:00:05 <Sgeo__> This person has Homestuck music playing in the background
12:01:25 <elliott> good to know
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12:11:47 <Phantom_Hoover> elliott, isn't reading Boatmurdered the same?
12:12:35 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: the same as what
12:12:48 <Phantom_Hoover> Consuming media about doing things.
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12:32:46 <Sgeo__> So, how are people supposed to know about altars?
12:33:07 <Sgeo__> Um, ok, maybe not "altars"
12:33:23 <Sgeo__> Um, carpeted rooms with the items and when you take one item cages fall around the rest
12:35:08 <Sgeo__> "Either Incendiary darts or a potion of incineration are always generated on the level." about "Flammible Barricade in the Doorway"
12:35:18 <Sgeo__> Is that explained in the game somehow, or is that a genuine spoiler?
12:40:39 <Sgeo__> Mind you, I think the person I'm watching is an idiot: Attacking a thing that's described as containing poisoned gas?
12:41:00 <monqy> : )
12:42:27 <elliott> Sgeo__: maybe you should play the game rather than asking people to do your research on the game for you
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12:52:58 * Sgeo__ downloads 1.6.4
12:53:03 <Sgeo__> (Had 1.6.2 on here before)
12:57:51 <Sgeo__> Someone told me how to change the size once but I forgot
13:00:44 <Sgeo__> PageDown
13:04:55 <Sgeo__> It, uh, apparently comes with a bot
13:06:11 <elliott> what do you mean
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13:06:46 <monqy> clearly any form of automation of anything is a "bot"
13:06:50 <monqy> wouldn't you agree, itidus21
13:07:15 <Sgeo__> Well, it seems to automate playing the game...
13:07:22 <monqy> does it?
13:07:23 <itidus21> for the greater good i will quietly agree
13:07:28 <monqy> thank you
13:07:50 <Sgeo__> What's Autopilot
13:07:59 <monqy> why don't you try it out
13:08:04 <Sgeo__> It seems to explore and fight mosters and descend levels
13:08:15 <itidus21> i'm quite happy though, i got minecraft today
13:08:48 <itidus21> i'm quite sad though, i crashed minecraft today... but i changed some things so hopefully it will be better
13:08:56 <elliott> Sgeo__: it is useful for the first few levels, at least it was when they didn't have vaults
13:09:30 <elliott> autoexplore is still useful for the first N floors
13:09:49 <itidus21> hmm
13:10:05 <Sgeo__> It seems to die to sentinals a lot
13:10:14 <monqy> I'm surprised it gets to sentinels
13:10:20 <itidus21> maybe chess games should be played that way.. only stopping for the humans when they're not sure what to do
13:11:05 <itidus21> i know that that guy already suggested something like computer assistance during chess
13:11:17 <Sgeo__> This iteration got stuck due to .. hm
13:11:27 <Sgeo__> I see no path for further exploration
13:12:02 <elliott> it doesn't do secret doors
13:12:03 <Sgeo__> Got jammed due to caustic gas
13:12:12 <elliott> are you going to use autoplay as your let's play
13:13:12 <Sgeo__> Died to pink jellies
13:13:21 <elliott> apparently yes
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13:24:21 <Phantom_Hoover> itidus21, no, everyone should just play continuous chess
13:27:06 <itidus21> Phantom_Hoover: for the greater good i will quietly agree
13:28:49 <itidus21> speaking of jellies though, i would like to know what a jelly or slime is supposed to be. is it like the thing in the blob? is it a land-jellyfish? is it fungus?
13:29:10 <itidus21> just putting that out there
13:29:46 <itidus21> oh, must be about time for a what-if
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13:30:01 <Taneb> Hello!
13:30:35 <Taneb> @ping
13:30:35 <lambdabot> pong
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13:30:36 <monqy> hi
13:33:01 <itidus21> i believe the best way to introduce something is to not influence the audiences expectations at all
13:35:21 <Taneb> @ping
13:35:21 <lambdabot> pong
13:36:13 <itidus21> like, this is a cardboard box 1ft x 1ft x 1ft. it may contain cookies, or books, or chicken bones, or old records, or fossilized tree samples, or diet coke, but really so long as it's safe, i'm only dampening the experience by talking about it at all
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13:38:28 <Taneb> What if you open the box?
13:40:18 <itidus21> yes, it's infact a collection of bertrand russell's academic elbow patches
13:40:37 <monqy> better than i ever could have dreamed of or hoped for
13:43:14 <itidus21> discalimer: i don't actually believe he necessarily had any, nor that they mean anything, nor that i have a clue what he did
13:44:41 <itidus21> included is an undiscovered notebook of mozart explaining his toilet humour
13:50:27 <monqy> ive always wondered what was up with that
13:51:12 <itidus21> i can't help feeling a bit wrong by making references to things i have no association with
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14:34:51 <kmc> itidus21: i like your chess idea
14:35:01 <kmc> computer and human playing in teams
14:35:09 <kmc> have seen this talked about, mostly where the human has the final say
14:35:24 <kmc> but you could also do it where the computers play except when uncertain
14:36:39 <kmc> stop signs seem to be entirely optional in montenegro
14:36:50 <kmc> we saw 6 cars in a row go through one without even slowing down
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16:33:48 <Taneb> Hello!
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16:43:37 <Taneb> Thanks
16:49:39 <Taneb> How the hell is selling DRM-protected games on Linux any less ethical than on any other operating system?
16:50:09 <elliott> hi
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16:50:59 <Taneb> Oh wait, the thing I'm complaining about isn't a thing
16:50:59 <Taneb> That's good
16:51:25 <monqy> good to hear
16:53:10 <itidus21> ironically it's probably more ethical to sell DRM-protected games on Linux than any other OS
16:53:53 <Taneb> more or equally
16:54:05 <Taneb> eg FreeBSD, Hurd
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16:55:51 <kmc> i think using DRM is ethical, but makes your product significantly less valuable
16:55:58 <kmc> i also think publishing tools to break DRM is ethical
16:56:20 <Taneb> I don't really have a stance on the ethics of DRM
16:56:25 <kmc> in the USA there is a legal asymmetry here
16:56:27 <kmc> which needs to go away
16:56:39 <Taneb> DRM that negatively affects other parts of your system is unethical
16:56:46 <kmc> though i think we've moved on to other things to nerd-rage at
16:56:50 <kmc> yeah
16:56:50 <Taneb> DRM that installs without permission is unethical
16:56:54 <kmc> invasive rootkit DRM is not ok
16:57:23 <itidus21> hmmm
16:57:44 <nortti> Taneb: is there DRM that doesn't negatively affect your system?
16:57:47 <itidus21> the question i guess is whether linux would become corrupted by DRM
16:58:06 <Taneb> nortti, parts of your system that are used when not playing the game? I dunno, probably not
16:58:28 <Taneb> Not just games, other stuff too, but I think games is the context where DRM comes up the most
16:59:25 <itidus21> well, how does one prevent oneself being a pirate when one compiles ones own OS
16:59:35 <itidus21> lol
16:59:38 <kmc> wow
16:59:42 <itidus21> and should one
16:59:57 <Taneb> itidus21, if it's your own OS, it's not piracy
17:00:10 <Taneb> Going on your own boat isn't being a pirate
17:00:17 <Taneb> Neither is taking your money off it
17:00:41 <kmc> it's quite possible to violate copyright on GPL software
17:00:53 <kmc> probably not so easy to do this with "personal use" only
17:01:29 <kmc> anyway copyright law is just as essential to free software as it is to proprietary commercial software
17:01:33 <itidus21> so im starting to go back on my last statement
17:01:35 <kmc> at least the GPL school of free software
17:01:47 <kmc> itidus21: doesn't that happen every time you make a statement?
17:01:55 <Taneb> I'm not a huge fan of GPL
17:01:57 <kmc> you could save us all some time by going back pre-emptively
17:02:04 <nortti> yeah. for WTFPL/CC0/PD school it wouldn't matter
17:02:29 <kmc> for BSD/MIT it would not matter much, but perhaps people still want attribution
17:02:38 <nortti> yeah
17:02:42 <itidus21> kmc: only because i make my statements around phds, haskell coders and mathematicians
17:02:43 <Taneb> MIT and CC0 are the two I use the most
17:02:51 <kmc> here i'm ignoring the fairly separate issue of warranty / liability
17:02:55 <kmc> itidus21: no
17:03:07 <nortti> I use WTFPL or the license original software used
17:03:09 <kmc> you say things which any reasonable person would judge to be nonsense
17:03:22 <Taneb> kmc, I find a bit of itidusrant on occasion quite therapeutic
17:03:38 <nortti> +(if I'm developing software project someone else started)
17:03:38 <kmc> yeah i'm happy itidus21 is here
17:03:41 <itidus21> first you have to know GPL exists before you can know i am talking nonsense about it
17:03:44 <kmc> don't get me wrong :)
17:04:35 <kmc> if there were no copyright law, then corporations could use currently-GPL software in proprietary products, but their employees could also legally publish that proprietary source code
17:04:48 <kmc> however they'd still be fired for doing so, and maybe sued for breach of contract
17:04:48 <itidus21> ok.... yes it does happen every time
17:05:10 <Taneb> kmc, are you a fan of your local Pirate Party?
17:05:17 <kmc> no strong opinion
17:05:39 <kmc> actually I think currently the GPL benefits large companies over small ones
17:05:45 <Taneb> Last election, they were the only party who I read their manifesto and agreed with everything.
17:06:01 <Taneb> Which isn't saying much, as the only other manifesto I read was the BNP's
17:06:02 <kmc> large companies can develop everything in-house and make money with software they never publish in any form
17:06:07 <nortti> Taneb: where do you live?
17:06:31 <fizzie> Every bit I say goes through a box that's busy violating copyright on GPL software by using it in a way not allowed by the license.
17:06:33 <kmc> in that case they can use GPL software however they like (though many are still deathly afraid of it)
17:07:39 <Taneb> nortti, UK
17:07:46 <nortti> ok
17:07:50 <Taneb> BNP is the extreme right-wing pary
17:07:54 <Taneb> *+t
17:08:10 <fizzie> BNP is the Basic Nultilingual Plane.
17:08:21 <nortti> I am member of piraattinuoret which is yout organization of pirate party of finland
17:08:23 <itidus21> also the Bacchus Naur Party
17:08:40 <itidus21> ^Baccus
17:08:53 <kmc> black panther party with NP oracle
17:08:55 <fizzie> Backus.
17:09:10 <Taneb> @ping
17:09:10 <lambdabot> pong
17:09:15 <kmc> Taneb: i have heard that BNP is actually in favor of liberal social policies like increased funding for education
17:09:19 <kmc> in between all the racism
17:09:30 <kmc> you know, increased funding for educating white british people
17:09:49 <Taneb> Ooh, that ping is not good
17:09:52 <kmc> my british friend speculates that this is because people in the BNP don't agree on anything other than the racism, and whoever happened to draft their platform decided this bit sounds good
17:09:53 <fizzie> Bacchus-Naur Form is what you get when you try to do a BNF grammar but you're really really drunk.
17:09:58 <kmc> ++
17:10:28 <Taneb> nortti, WITHIN THE SAME TOWN AS ELLIOTT!
17:10:47 <nortti> so you are hexam
17:10:53 <nortti> *live in
17:10:56 <Taneb> I'm all the hexham
17:11:15 <nortti> so elliott lives in Taneb?
17:11:44 <Taneb> Yeah.
17:11:55 <Taneb> As do just less than 12000 other people
17:11:59 <nortti> isn't that kinda strange
17:12:04 <Taneb> A bit
17:13:13 <itidus21> its only strange to me because i had never heard of hexham before
17:13:40 <kmc> apparently hexham is the #2 location for esoteric programming
17:13:45 <fizzie> It still sounds like cursed pork to me.
17:14:14 <Taneb> kmc, by density, #1 if you only count places with >1 person
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17:14:59 <fizzie> Is there a slang verb "hexhamming", and if so, what does it mean?
17:15:07 <Taneb> No
17:15:16 <nortti> kmc: which is the #1 locatin?
17:15:17 <fizzie> A shame. "I'm really hexhamming it up tonight" sounds very dynamic.
17:15:19 <nortti> *what
17:15:28 <kmc> finland
17:15:49 <nortti> that is a whole country
17:15:57 <Taneb> Specifically Helsinki, iirc
17:16:02 <nortti> ok
17:16:06 <itidus21> the trouble of it is that most artificial constraints in real life are created by police.. eg. your car can go over the speed limit... a person can leave a store without paying for something
17:16:12 <Taneb> fizzie, make that a thing
17:16:27 <itidus21> but... if you have police regularly patrolling your pc.. then you lose your privacy
17:16:51 <kmc> if only there were some legal doctrine regarding limits of what police can do on private property
17:17:13 <itidus21> but if you don't have police regularly patrolling your pc, then you would never get caught doing something outside of the artificial constraints
17:17:40 <fizzie> Helsinki (or the "Greater Helsinki" region, more appropriately) is probably esoteric-important only by virtue of having something like 25% of all Finns in it.
17:17:53 <fizzie> Things like oklopol come from different cities.
17:17:57 <Taneb> I believe Hexham has been used as a euphemism for Hell and the middle of nowhere in parts of southern Scotland
17:18:01 <itidus21> so my naive understanding is that the pc sort of polices itself, some of the time
17:18:16 <nortti> how many here live in Helsinki?
17:18:23 <Taneb> About 4, I think?
17:18:57 <fizzie> It depends on whether you're counting the neighbour towns, like is sometimes done.
17:19:04 <nortti> so does that make Helsinki the esolang capital of the world-?
17:19:07 <nortti> --
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17:19:23 <fizzie> I'm technically from Espoo, for example.
17:20:21 <Taneb> I'm technically from Newcastle, my birth certificate says Yorkshire, and I've lived in Melbourne
17:20:32 <Taneb> But I live in Hexham
17:21:16 <fizzie> Yes, I suppose I'm "from" Helsinki in the born-in sense. But currently-living-in Espoo.
17:21:27 <Taneb> I have a vague feeling elliott lives just outside, but this is only based on the one sighting I have heard of of elliott, which occurred at the latest in 2004
17:21:31 <fizzie> I seem to recall Deewiant lives in Helsinki proper.
17:21:41 <Taneb> That is, just outside Hexham, not just outside me
17:21:43 <fizzie> And atehwa probably somewhere around here too.
17:21:49 <fizzie> (It's nickping time.)
17:22:02 <fizzie> Oh, and ineiros nowadays.
17:22:05 <Taneb> What the hell is a nick
17:22:18 <fizzie> I suppose you could say fungot lives here too.
17:22:19 <Taneb> And how does one "ping" one
17:22:20 <fungot> fizzie: after this proceeding, i say, god bless the land, or the lives of your officers. you must ride at the fnord.
17:22:29 <Taneb> I think you mean "nitpicking"
17:22:46 <fizzie> Nicks are the names before the comments, and you "ping" one by mentioning it in the text.
17:23:04 <Taneb> Oh, that makes sense
17:23:19 <Taneb> Although you are nitpicking
17:23:40 <itidus21> Taneb: a nick is a set of symbols, used to identify a chatter which can be embedded within a post
17:24:28 <Taneb> I think I've just broken my headphones
17:24:52 <Taneb> @ping
17:24:52 <itidus21> theres no great need for nicks to be in roman characters except that they're easier to type
17:24:53 <lambdabot> pong
17:25:13 <Taneb> Nah, the Youtube video just started buffering as I turned the volume right up
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17:25:43 <itidus21> the channel could consist of entirely brainfuck nicks
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17:26:03 <Taneb> Or Cyrillic
17:26:06 <itidus21> except it would be difficult in many ways, and possibly not allowed as nics
17:26:59 <itidus21> * >[-]+ :Erroneous Nickname
17:27:35 <Taneb> @ping
17:27:35 <lambdabot> pong
17:28:47 <nortti> I think that []{}\|-_ are legal but otherwise it must be alphanumeric
17:29:12 -!- Taneb has changed nick to [-].
17:29:18 -!- [-] has changed nick to Taneb.
17:29:27 <fizzie> nortti: ` and ^ too.
17:29:33 <Taneb> [-] is registered
17:30:04 <fizzie> nickname = ( letter / special )*8 ( letter / digit / special / "-" ) special = %x5B-60 / %x7B-7D ; [ ] \ ` _ ^ { | }
17:30:15 <fizzie> (From the RFC; there might be network-specific rules, of course.)
17:30:21 -!- nortti has changed nick to []{}\|-_`^.
17:30:24 <[]{}\|-_`^> :D
17:31:05 <Taneb> Quick, register it
17:31:14 <kmc> some of t he symbols are considered upper case versions of others
17:31:23 <fizzie> kmc: Not everywhere any more.
17:31:35 <fizzie> Freenode has ASCII-specified uppercasings, for example, IIRC.
17:31:40 <kmc> i bet the irc protocol forbids bytes above 0x7E in nicks
17:31:55 <fizzie> (One of the numerics at connection time specifies case mapping.)
17:31:56 <kmc> which means you could not use UTF-8 for non-ascii nicks
17:32:03 <kmc> obviously we should switch to UTF-7
17:32:10 <[]{}\|-_`^> hmm
17:32:16 <[]{}\|-_`^> no. base64
17:32:19 <kmc> /nick +Ji0
17:32:25 -!- itidus21 has changed nick to struct{int_a[5]_.
17:32:31 <struct{int_a[5]_> hm no
17:32:32 <fizzie> {}|^ would be the lowercase of []\~, and still are in e.g. IRCnet, I think.
17:32:39 <kmc> utf-7 is shorter and still coincides with ASCII in some places
17:33:08 <[]{}\|-_`^> foo
17:33:10 <[]{}\|-_`^> ok
17:33:20 <[]{}\|-_`^> ~ is not allowed
17:33:56 -!- struct{int_a[5]_ has changed nick to tidus21.
17:34:09 <fizzie> Oh, "CASEMAPPING=rfc1459" in Freenode still. I was a mistaken.
17:34:16 <fizzie> Maybe they've reverted their stance or something.
17:34:26 <[]{}\|-_`^> I registered this nick by the way
17:34:44 -!- []{}\|-_`^ has changed nick to nortti.
17:34:52 <nortti> #quit
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17:35:09 <nortti> ä/nick []{}\|-_`^
17:35:13 -!- nortti has changed nick to []{}\|-_`^.
17:35:56 <fizzie> Yeah, current Freenode does the {}|^ <=> []\~ casemap. Well. Good.
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17:37:35 <[]{}\|-_`^> fizzie: isn't ` lowercase ^?
17:38:26 <tidus21> lol
17:38:33 <fizzie> Nnno? [\]^ are 0x5b .. 0x5e, {|}~ are 0x7b .. 0x7e.
17:38:40 <[]{}\|-_`^> hmm
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17:39:48 <tidus21> my chaos is too great for this chatroom
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17:40:42 <tidus21> taneb innocently said "What the hell is a nick?"
17:40:45 <fizzie> I didn't know about ^/~, incidentally; it's not part of the same 7-bit Finnish encoding that I believe gave us the equivalency of [\] and {|}.
17:40:49 <tidus21> ^Taneb
17:40:50 <fizzie> $ echo '[\]^{|}~' | iconv -f ISO646-FI -t utf-8
17:40:50 <fizzie> ÄÖÅ^äöå‾
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17:43:27 <fizzie> And of course quite often d = ä, v = ö since so few things are 8-bit clean. (Okay, maybe not so often these days.)
17:46:53 <kmc> sucks
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18:10:56 <Taneb> I think it's funny how, as a video game, the music video for Californication looks incredibly dated
18:17:31 -!- elliott has joined.
18:17:35 <elliott> Taneb: I live inside Hexham.
18:18:12 <Taneb> elliott, I never said you didn't. I merely said I had very weak evidence suggesting you didn't.
18:18:22 <Taneb> But I am glad to have that confirmation
18:18:23 <elliott> Well I'm suing.
18:18:33 -!- elliott has left ("Leaving").
18:21:21 <Taneb> ...did he join the channel JUST to say that?
18:22:37 -!- elliott has joined.
18:22:40 <elliott> Yes. Good night.
18:22:40 -!- elliott has left ("Leaving").
18:23:12 <Taneb> How enigmatic
18:23:37 <Taneb> Wait, that's barely enigmatic at all
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19:14:08 <Taneb> "It's advised to have a functional internet connection" "But my browser's written primarily in C!"
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19:18:17 <[]{}\|-_`^> what?
19:19:31 <[]{}\|-_`^> #shell poweroff
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19:21:48 <Taneb> Not very funny joke
19:22:23 <Taneb> Reflecting the double meaning of Functional in the context of computing
19:24:13 <Taneb> @ping
19:24:14 <lambdabot> pong
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19:39:22 <oerjan> i'd swat []{}\|-_`^ for that name, but i fear the swatter might get stuck.
19:43:23 <shachaf> oerjan: Do it!
19:43:46 <oerjan> always the enabler, shachaf
19:44:11 <oerjan> however, tradition requires that i ignore your request.
19:44:22 <shachaf> oerjan: I just want to see the swatter get stuck.
19:44:34 <shachaf> oerjan: Perhaps the entire nick will get stuck to the bottom of the swatter!
19:44:41 <shachaf> Then you'll have to do two-level swats forevermore.
19:45:18 <oerjan> fancy
19:45:35 <shachaf> We haven't had a good swattage in here for years.
19:47:02 <Taneb> I still remember when FireFly died due to swatting
19:47:13 * oerjan gives shachaf a roundhouse swat -----###
19:47:18 <FireFly> that one time
19:50:29 <shachaf> kmc: Should I say "poëtry"?
19:55:18 <oerjan> obvioüsly.
19:57:11 <tidus21> it was funny
19:57:36 <oerjan> now that was a bad joke today, http://www.yafgc.net/
19:57:55 <oerjan> (warning: the rest of the comic is not always sfw)
19:58:20 * oerjan seeks for a missing i lying about
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20:01:16 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to TwoFixt.
20:03:24 -!- TwoFixt has changed nick to copumpkin.
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20:23:37 <fizzie> Incidentally, how would you pronounce []{}\|-_`^ if you happened to be talking to []{}\|-_`^ in some voice-oriented medium?
20:29:15 <tidus21> left square bracket, right square bracket, left seagull, right seagull, backslash, pipe, sheffer stroke, dash, underscore, grave accent, caret
20:29:23 <oerjan> these were supposed to be finnish replacement characters, no? so however those are pronounced.
20:29:29 <tidus21> i was intending to delete the word pipe
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20:35:20 <fizzie> oerjan: Not all of them are.
20:36:02 <fizzie> oerjan: It's ÄÅäåÖö-_`^ if you interpret it that way.
20:36:12 <oerjan> a household name, surely
20:36:50 <fizzie> I guess the -_`^ part could be some sort of a suffix, since there's of course so many ÄÅäåÖös around, not everyone can be "the ÄÅäåÖö".
20:37:22 <oerjan> true dat
20:38:46 <Taneb> @ping
20:38:47 <lambdabot> pong
20:39:12 <Taneb> That probably means it's time for bed...
20:39:17 <Taneb> Or Minecraft
20:39:24 <oerjan> same thing.
20:40:23 <fizzie> I suppose an INTERCAL user would pronounce []{}\|-_`^ as U-turn-U-turn-back-embrace-bracelet-backslat-spike-worm-flat-worm-backspark-shark.
20:42:58 <oerjan> and not an ampersand in sight.
20:47:05 <mroman> And a normal person would pronounce it "fuck it, I can't pronounce that".
20:52:47 <Taneb> What's a normal person doing on IRC?
20:52:59 <mroman> Define normal?
20:53:05 <ion> What’s a normal person?
20:53:22 <oerjan> a person with a gaussian distribution, of course
20:53:55 * ion degausses your distribution
20:54:56 <mroman> Luckily I don't know what that is.
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20:55:32 <Taneb> "Get out."
20:59:22 <boily> fizzie: wasn't "~" the worm, or am I getting my INTERCAL confused again?
21:02:44 <mroman> And I don't understand the WP article for gaussian distribution so...
21:02:55 <mroman> No idea :)
21:03:12 <Taneb> Basically, it's a continuous frequency distribution that's really useful
21:03:28 <Taneb> In that for sufficiently large samples, a LOT of things average to it
21:04:17 <Taneb> Goodnight
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21:04:43 <fizzie> boily: I was looking at a HTML conversion of the manual. Maybe it got something wrong. ~ does sound more wormy.
21:05:13 <mroman> He really expect me to understand "continous frequency distribution"
21:05:23 <mroman> *expected
21:05:25 <fizzie> "In the dark, all distributions are normal." (An old adage.)
21:06:09 <oerjan> mroman: basically if you had any statistics course worth the name, you _would_ have heard of it.
21:06:24 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to cointegration.
21:06:34 -!- cointegration has changed nick to copumpkin.
21:06:37 <mroman> I hadn't.
21:06:41 <fizzie> I like to call it "the hump distribution", even though I suppose most of them are quite humpy.
21:07:04 <oerjan> mroman: also it's the same as what's called the "bell curve"
21:07:32 <mroman> Doesn't ring a bell (curve) ;)
21:07:48 <mroman> I never had statistics.
21:08:59 <oerjan> my laptop has started making these clicking sounds again :(
21:09:40 <oerjan> i hadn't really noticed that it had stopped for a long time, but now it's really irritating.
21:10:08 <fizzie> oerjan: You could say it's kind of like a non-cyclic version of the Von Mises-Fisher distribution, I'm sure that'd be helpful. (Not that they're directly related or anything.)
21:10:54 <oerjan> come to think of it, it used to happen when i was solving a lot of simon tatham's puzzles before...
21:11:02 <oerjan> and now i've started again.
21:11:11 <oerjan> fizzie: surely.
21:12:20 <oerjan> it's just the universe's way of telling me, "you can try as hard as you want to have fun; i will do _something_ to ruin the experience."
21:13:42 <fizzie> Those puzzles, if I recall correctly, do involve a lot of clicking.
21:13:59 <oerjan> that's not where the sound is coming from.
21:14:28 <fizzie> No, but it's the law of similarities. As above, so below. And all that.
21:15:00 <oerjan> i guess it's the disk which does it with a certain kind of access pattern.
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21:16:04 * oerjan hits fizzie with an emerald table (^^^^)
21:16:21 <fizzie> I had a disk which did a horrible clicking. Or it was even more like a whirr-clunk kind of thing. (Sadly, I don't remember what happened in the end.)
21:16:46 <oerjan> oh wait it's supposed to be tablet, not table. sorry about that.
21:17:12 <fizzie> No worries, people hit me with tables all the time. (Not really.)
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22:02:10 <oklopol> http://xkcd.com/761/ i like to follow the hottest trends and be all hip and shit so here's an old xkcd; now isn't breadth-first search that you first date multiple people for a week one after another, then you date them the same people for two weeks, and so on, and depth-first search is where you're in a relationship until it goes bad
22:03:01 <oklopol> hmm okay maybe he means dating these people at the same time
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22:57:57 <kmc> is this where i start an argument about monogamy
22:58:52 <oerjan> no. you can only start a monologue.
22:59:07 * kmc rimshot
23:01:56 <oklopol> what's your opinion on it?
23:03:27 <kmc> eh i think i will pass on this one
23:03:51 <oklopol> but i wanna know :(
23:04:24 <oklopol> i dated a polyamorist for two and a half years
23:04:37 <kmc> how did that work out
23:06:10 <oklopol> well for the first two years it was effectively just an open relationship, which was cool. then she got a second boyfriend and my world collapsed and shit.
23:06:36 <kmc> :/
23:06:45 <kmc> did you think you would be cool with it, and you turned out not to be cool with it?
23:06:46 <oklopol> so now i hate polyamory but am not really satisfied with a fully closed relationship.
23:07:05 <kmc> i think deciding you hate polyamory is an unreasonable generalization from that
23:07:10 <kmc> but understandable on an emotional level
23:07:13 <oklopol> i didn't understand someone could actually want multiple partners apart from sex until it was too late.
23:07:27 <kmc> my girlfriend broke up with her other boyfriend and i'm extremely bummed about it
23:07:51 <oklopol> sounds reasonable
23:07:51 <tidus21> lol
23:07:58 <kmc> loltidus
23:08:11 <tidus21> im not sure which comment is funny
23:08:16 <tidus21> the comment or the reply
23:08:18 <oklopol> i'm not a very social person, for me the point of a gf is to get to be alone with someone.
23:08:19 <kmc> how come your nick changed
23:08:25 <tidus21> typo
23:08:27 <kmc> mm
23:08:29 <tidus21> darn
23:08:30 <kmc> that's a good way to pu tit
23:08:31 <kmc> put it*
23:08:31 <oklopol> because being alone alone is lonely at times.
23:08:42 <tidus21> :|
23:08:53 -!- tidus21 has changed nick to ineedanick.
23:09:01 <kmc> i don't think i recognize a difference between a significant other and a really close friend who you also have sex with
23:09:10 -!- ineedanick has changed nick to uncertain21.
23:09:13 <kmc> /nick ineeddick
23:09:35 <uncertain21> yeah theres a lot wrong with ineeda**ck
23:10:26 <oklopol> well if we discount the sex thing, afaiu usually the difference is you have an implicit agreement to stay together through the hard times instead of always being with the partner that is currently the most satisfying.
23:11:16 <oklopol> or really that's just my opinion, not what i understand to be the case
23:11:24 <kmc> well i think close friends also stick together through hard times
23:11:29 <kmc> i only have a few close friends though
23:11:37 <oklopol> friendships can fade away
23:11:44 <kmc> so do relationships
23:12:20 <kmc> "til death do us part" is still a finite amount of time
23:12:21 <oklopol> i don't think so
23:12:50 <uncertain21> and the proper order of things is that the man dies a natural death first
23:12:59 <oklopol> i think crashing characterizes the ends of ideal relationships better.
23:13:15 <oklopol> you can't break up with a friend, nor do you have to. just don't see them.
23:13:32 <kmc> i think it's not the same for "close friends" whatever i mean by that
23:13:38 <kmc> it would be like breaking up
23:13:44 <oklopol> yeah i guess
23:14:01 <kmc> they would try to contact me and i would ignore them and we'd both get really sad
23:14:07 <kmc> that's a way to break up with someone
23:14:34 <oklopol> so why were you sad that she broke up with him?
23:14:44 <uncertain21> lol
23:15:05 <oklopol> i mean was it because you felt bad for her or something more practical
23:15:11 <uncertain21> my guess is that it's because suddenly he is burdened with her whole existence
23:15:23 <uncertain21> instead of having adapted to sharing part of her existence
23:15:32 <kmc> amazingly your ability to guess things correctly is not improved when you are talking about my personal life
23:15:47 <kmc> oklopol: a lot of reasons
23:15:55 <kmc> i feel sad when my friends are sad
23:15:58 <kmc> i'm close with both of them
23:16:11 <kmc> now i can't hang out with both of them at the same time
23:16:14 <uncertain21> like haskell, and lambda calculus, relationships are not something i have actually used
23:16:21 <kmc> also he's less friendly toward me, understandably so
23:16:49 <kmc> and i feel guilty too
23:16:50 <oklopol> did you have like casual threesomes and shit? wait that's a bit inappropriate perhaps.
23:17:03 <kmc> also i worry that she'll eventually dump me
23:17:09 <kmc> what do you mean by "casual"
23:17:24 <oklopol> just like, normal relationship shag.
23:17:34 <uncertain21> oklopol: yes... it was a binary tree sort of threesome, rather than a triangle
23:17:41 <kmc> shut the fuck up
23:17:47 <kmc> you are really getting to me
23:17:48 <uncertain21> no i mean in my life actually
23:18:21 <uncertain21> my friend and his gf.. when drunk
23:18:56 <kmc> uncertain21: congrats
23:18:56 <Phantom_Hoover> wat
23:19:04 <Phantom_Hoover> are you people talking about relationships
23:19:13 <kmc> oklopol: we had threesomes, i don't know what's "casual" about it as she was in a long term relationship with both of us
23:19:16 <uncertain21> its about the closest i get to a sex life
23:19:27 <kmc> there were other threesomes as well
23:19:32 <kmc> with other third parties
23:19:45 <kmc> a number of people had sex in various configurations and settings
23:19:56 <kmc> not including the back of a volkswagon
23:20:29 <oklopol> kmc: okay casual is perhaps a bad term for describing relationship sex, given that it basically means the opposit.
23:20:30 <oklopol> re
23:20:32 <oklopol> e
23:20:32 <Phantom_Hoover> oh dear shit uncertain21 is iti oh dear
23:20:52 <oklopol> but i find it more casual than non-relationship sex.
23:21:09 <uncertain21> Phantom_Hoover: just force your memory to block it out
23:21:23 <kmc> oklopol: hmm, it's casual in another way, yes
23:21:31 <kmc> a nice way
23:21:32 <oklopol> iti is not a virgin?
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23:23:14 <oklopol> so if your gf has multiple boyfriends, you aren't afraid that you're inferior to them and will lose her?
23:24:16 <kmc> well ideally no
23:24:27 <kmc> if your friend has other friends, do you worry similarly
23:24:35 <oklopol> i mean with monogamy, you don't have this problem, they can be sex-machines made of money and sexiness and she can't touch them. well unless you break up but the barrier is bigger, and she can't sample beforehand.
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23:24:55 <kmc> people like having multiple friends because they get complimentary things out of each relationship
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23:25:17 <kmc> and if your friends get along with each other as well, the whole is better than the sum of the parts
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23:25:26 <kmc> i don't see why "relationships" should be different
23:25:42 <uncertain21> oklopol: i don't count casual threesomes i'm involved in as real sex :P
23:25:43 <kmc> that said if you ask "do you worry that $x" to me, the answer is always "yes"
23:25:47 <kmc> i worry about everything all the time
23:25:49 <kmc> so yes
23:25:57 <uncertain21> it's just.. worse than nothing really
23:26:16 <kmc> i would never impose a rule that my girlfriend can't sleep with other people at all
23:26:19 <kmc> that is terrible
23:26:27 <kmc> i want her to be happy
23:26:39 <kmc> sleeping with other people from time to time is something which makes her happy
23:26:52 <kmc> and conversely for me
23:27:00 <oklopol> i don't worry about my friends, but i'm not sure i'm really bffs with anyone.
23:27:03 <mroman> Now I get what gaussian distribution is.
23:27:05 <oklopol> i mean that's just gay.
23:27:09 <kmc> -_-
23:27:10 <mroman> It's what xkcds random button is missing.
23:27:21 <mroman> It produces 23 all the time.
23:27:55 -!- uncertain21 has changed nick to itidus21.
23:27:58 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, wait did you just equate friendships to romantic relationships.
23:28:06 <oklopol> (that said, yes, i'm bisexual.)
23:28:20 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: yes
23:28:36 <Phantom_Hoover> That's... quite a leap.
23:28:45 <kmc> i don't understand the difference anyway
23:28:56 <kmc> and i've been in several of what you'd probably call romantic relationships
23:29:00 <kmc> including currently for several years
23:29:27 <Phantom_Hoover> What about hormones and shit?
23:29:34 <kmc> what... about them?
23:29:39 <kmc> i don't really know how to respond to that statement
23:30:14 <itidus21> `pastlog <kmc.*itidus21
23:30:16 <Phantom_Hoover> I'm fairly sure there's a neurochemical difference between the two.
23:30:36 <kmc> there are people i'd like to have sex with but not be friends with, and vice versa
23:30:48 <HackEgo> No output.
23:30:51 <itidus21> `pastlog <kmc.*itidus21
23:31:02 <itidus21> i dunno if i'm doing this wrong
23:31:03 <kmc> i have friends who i would never have sex with but who give me the warm fuzzy "relationship" feeling
23:31:07 <HackEgo> 2012-06-28.txt:06:47:27: <kmc> itidus21: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnjusltDHk
23:31:20 <kmc> anyway there are all sorts of neurochemical phenomena which i have no conscious access to
23:31:25 <itidus21> Phantom_Hoover: that link can explain hormones and shit
23:31:30 <kmc> clearly
23:32:08 <kmc> i am saying that i don't understand the difference, not that there isn't one
23:32:12 <kmc> maybe eventually i will understand the difference
23:32:15 <Phantom_Hoover> OTOH the idea of romantic and sexual feelings being separate is hardly an unconventional one.
23:32:27 <kmc> but i have got this far in life without doing so, and not for lack of close friends or sex partners
23:33:04 <oklopol> i see the difference between friendship and relationship mostly as a contractual one
23:33:24 <oklopol> wait i guess i said that already
23:33:35 <kmc> i think there's an implicit contract in any close friendship, whether 'romantic' or not
23:33:44 <kmc> maybe this means i have 'romantic' non-sexual close frienships
23:33:45 <kmc> whatever
23:33:47 <kmc> terminology sucks
23:34:35 <kmc> the bit about friendships can fade and relationships can't is interesting, though
23:34:38 <kmc> i wil think about that more
23:34:41 <oklopol> i don't think i have an implicit contract with any of my friends
23:34:57 <oklopol> then again i don't have friends i don't just occasionally completely forget about for months.
23:35:24 <kmc> i have a few friends who i talk to practically every day
23:35:43 <kmc> constantly throughout the day i will see or do something and want to tell them about it
23:35:46 <oklopol> on the other hand when i then randomly call them i expect nothing to have changed so i'm probably wrong about this.
23:35:47 <kmc> so i'm thinking about them all the time
23:35:52 <itidus21> i don't have anyone outside of my family that i talk to offline
23:36:33 <itidus21> except people who i am paying for their time, or people who the government is paying for their time :P
23:36:37 <oklopol> itidus21: no talking during the threesomes? sorry, i can't get over this, it's so outside character.
23:36:43 <Phantom_Hoover> wait what about the one with whom you had the threesome?
23:36:48 <itidus21> oh that....
23:36:52 <Phantom_Hoover> or was he a family member?
23:36:55 <oklopol> :D
23:37:14 <itidus21> ok.. i should add the constraint of for years
23:37:17 <oklopol> "except people who i am paying for their time"
23:37:32 * oerjan is starting to suspect that the clicking from his laptop is because for the first time in months it spends several seconds in a row _not_ doing disk I/O, so it actually gets parked... so something has stopped hogging the disk and it should be a _good_ thing. but damn that sound is irritating.
23:37:33 <Phantom_Hoover> friend whores
23:37:36 <oklopol> yes :D
23:37:51 <Phantom_Hoover> watch out for FTDs
23:37:57 <kmc> aka therapist
23:38:03 <oerjan> (sorry for not joining the sex talk)
23:38:06 <itidus21> paying for their time = doctors, people selling food
23:38:06 <kmc> they're highly trained though
23:38:07 <itidus21> :P
23:38:14 <kmc> like those $1,000/hr prostitutes
23:38:39 <oklopol> hehee FTDs
23:38:42 * Phantom_Hoover wonders if you could hire one of those prostitutes for 3.6 seconds.
23:38:50 <oklopol> oerjan: please do
23:38:54 <itidus21> 1 prostitute.. she just didn't appeal to my twisted needs
23:39:04 <kmc> which are?
23:39:06 <oklopol> itidus has threesomes regularly, your turn to surprise us
23:39:49 <itidus21> no no.. there was only 2 .. and threesome only in a binary tree topology
23:39:55 <itidus21> lol
23:40:06 <oklopol> you mean you didn't have sex with the guy?
23:40:09 <itidus21> right
23:40:22 <oklopol> really, i would've never guessed
23:40:43 <itidus21> some things about me are best left unexplained
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23:40:46 <oklopol> usually when two guys and a girl have a threesome, the guys can't stop kissing each other
23:41:46 <oerjan> you should all trust oklopol on this.
23:41:52 <kmc> can't tell if oklopol sarcastic or not
23:41:59 <kmc> pretty accurate in my experience
23:42:05 <oklopol> :P
23:42:15 <oklopol> oh you.
23:42:22 <oerjan> can't tell if oklopol and kmc or both sarcastic or not
23:42:26 <kmc> well i mean you eventually stop kissing
23:42:32 <kmc> to do other things with your mouths
23:42:33 <oerjan> *are
23:42:40 <itidus21> i have some mental issues to work through before i can enjoy sex
23:42:54 <kmc> :/
23:43:06 * kmc had some as well
23:44:25 <kmc> just remember it's not gay unless the balls touch
23:44:48 <oklopol> oerjan: i was being sarcastic, kmc wasn't
23:44:51 <Phantom_Hoover> what if the penises touch
23:44:54 <oerjan> unless the balls touch what?
23:45:07 <oerjan> oklopol: OKAY
23:45:20 <kmc> i was not being sarcastic until the "balls touch" statement
23:45:30 <oklopol> that was clear
23:45:34 <kmc> ball touching is neither necessary nor sufficient for gayness
23:46:13 <itidus21> yeah... it's probably best if i don't explain any more
23:46:40 <oklopol> no it's not
23:46:46 <oklopol> we won't judge
23:47:23 <oklopol> Phantom_Hoover: if penises touch, you're gay.
23:47:24 <itidus21> ive told other chatrooms every last detail about anything related to sex.. it's really not interesting
23:47:31 <oklopol> super gay.
23:47:48 <oklopol> can you paste the log?
23:47:54 <itidus21> lol
23:47:55 <itidus21> no
23:48:11 <oklopol> then why the long teaser
23:48:13 <Phantom_Hoover> itidus21, I dunno, a lot of people find sex very interesting.
23:49:39 * oerjan tries disabling jqs as that seemed to run every few seconds.
23:49:40 <itidus21> women always keep their distance from me
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23:49:50 <itidus21> ah, java quick starter
23:49:51 <oklopol> even prostitutes?
23:50:09 <Phantom_Hoover> That's where it went wrong.
23:50:19 <Phantom_Hoover> Getting close to iti was just too far.
23:50:27 <Phantom_Hoover> Too twisted.
23:50:44 <oerjan> itidus21: yep. i think it might be keeping the disk working unnecessarily, but not continuously, causing constant parking (i noticed the clicks seemed to happen a few seconds after jqs wakes up)
23:51:02 <oerjan> they still happen now, but not as frequently
23:52:17 <itidus21> shiit
23:52:50 <itidus21> ok to end the suspense
23:53:55 <itidus21> my first time was with this guys sister.. except since she acted like she was missing a few cards in her deck, it didn't go all the way
23:54:08 <oklopol> how far did it go and what age?
23:54:11 <itidus21> but the next day she said it did.. and started up about how i better not make her pregnant
23:54:21 <oklopol> oh
23:54:33 <oklopol> your penis didn't go all the way i guess
23:54:40 <itidus21> it was at this point i realized my memory isn't very good
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23:55:31 <oklopol> i don't think i got it in on my first time. such a complicated process :D
23:56:06 <itidus21> first step was accidently trying to finger her urethra, until she explained my error
23:56:15 <oklopol> hehe :D
23:56:37 <oklopol> did you hear the story about the woman who used the urethra as a vagina
23:57:29 <oklopol> but yeah usually that's more like third date stuff so it's understandable if she got mad
23:57:58 <itidus21> also.. there was an awful squeaking noise when our bodies touched, like an armpit raspberry thing
23:58:48 <oklopol> and you were twelve so that was really bad?
23:58:51 <Phantom_Hoover> argh
23:58:53 <itidus21> nah not 12
23:59:53 <oerjan> poor Phantom_Hoover
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