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00:00:05 <Arc_Koen> and at the end of episode 4, she takes the cuffs off
00:00:13 <Arc_Koen> no, at the end of episode 3, sorry
00:00:18 <Arc_Koen> and episode 4 starts with her leaving
00:00:36 <Arc_Koen> with unsurprising "oh hey I was hiding an artefact in my pocket" scenes
00:00:43 <coppro> ah
00:00:43 <Arc_Koen> and then daniel jackson collapses
00:00:46 <Arc_Koen> and she's back
00:00:50 <Arc_Koen> *shocker*
00:01:04 <Phantom_Hoover> was he an artefact-powered robot
00:01:08 <Arc_Koen> and then the opening sequence starts, and that's where I am
00:01:59 <Arc_Koen> but there is a goa'uld glider in the opening sequence, that's... disturbing
00:02:12 <Arc_Koen> though I guess they should be called "jaffa glider" now, or something
00:02:35 <Phantom_Hoover> so these goa'uld haven't invented the aer
00:02:37 <Phantom_Hoover> oplane
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00:02:56 <Arc_Koen> wooooow Amanda Tapping is still in the sequence
00:03:06 <Arc_Koen> that's weird
00:03:28 <Arc_Koen> well from what I could gather from the 8 first seasons the goa'uld haven't invented anything
00:03:42 <Arc_Koen> they just stick around for millenia and took stuff from about every culture in the galaxy
00:03:50 <Phantom_Hoover> except the airplane?
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00:04:20 <Arc_Koen> and then 3 people from earth discover the stargate, and a couple years later, the goa'uld are all dead
00:04:35 <Phantom_Hoover> "it was an accident, we swear"
00:04:55 <Arc_Koen> yeah they have a tendency to start all-out galactic wars by accident
00:05:21 <Arc_Koen> actually that's how season 9 starts :(
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00:06:03 <Arc_Koen> "oh hey, now we at last are gonna have peace in our galaxy! finally! hey what's that device?" *teleports to another galaxy* *start an all-out intergalactic war* "oops"
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00:07:22 <Arc_Koen> that works for atlantis too (though in that case I guess they only "awakened" a war that had been slowly going on for the past ten millenia)
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00:08:22 <Arc_Koen> ok, the dominatrix girl is definitely not in the opening sequence
00:12:24 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/1333/26176/Vala%20Mal%20Doran.png
00:12:32 <Phantom_Hoover> you think *that* looks dominatrixy?
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00:45:53 <Arc_Koen> Phantom_Hoover: dazzle me
00:46:53 <Phantom_Hoover> uh
00:47:39 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/raelee_hill_03.jpg
00:47:51 <Arc_Koen> (she did make an entry in the previous season dressed in one of those darth vader clone trooper outfits)
00:48:08 <Arc_Koen> uh, is that the same actress?
00:48:36 <Phantom_Hoover> no, aeryn's costumes generally just have an overabundance of leather
00:49:03 <Phantom_Hoover> but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2EWaCPRz8
00:50:21 <Arc_Koen> haha
00:52:01 <Phantom_Hoover> then there's most of the rest of that season, but i can't be arsed to check if it's on youtube
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02:30:48 <Arc_Koen> random thought of the day before I wish you sweat dreams:
02:31:19 <Arc_Koen> if I give my blood every other month until I'm too old
02:31:40 <elliott> sweat dreams
02:31:43 <Arc_Koen> is there a risk to develop a left elbow cancer?
02:32:14 <Arc_Koen> I just felt I had to share that thought :-)
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02:38:13 <kmc> is "nondeterminacies" a word
02:46:49 <quintopia> ew
02:47:00 <quintopia> arc wished us sweat dreams?
02:47:17 <quintopia> "the gross version of wet dreams"
02:47:23 <quintopia> or even "nightmares"
02:48:05 <kmc> haha
02:50:11 <quintopia> and you want indeterminacies probably
02:50:26 <kmc> i think i'm still not allowed to give blood
02:50:50 <quintopia> i'm ineligible until next november
02:51:18 <kmc> i think indeterminacies means something slightly different
02:51:29 <kmc> i want to talk specifically about the parts of a system which are nondeterministic, rather than just the ones whose state i don't know
02:51:34 <kmc> granted that is something of a subjective distinction
02:52:46 <quintopia> then say "nondeterminstic subsystem"
02:53:13 <elliott> ew
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03:43:26 <Sgeo> I feel like I'm being adored by my gf and her parents for what I consider to be basic human decency.
03:46:00 <pikhq_> I get the exact same feeling from my gf, oddly enough.
03:49:31 <Sgeo> Well, in this case, it's more one specific thing that happened today
03:59:29 * pikhq_ inquires
04:04:08 <kmc> another way to phrase that is "i don't give myself enough credit for being a good person"
04:05:16 <pikhq_> I'd accept that phrasing.
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04:45:34 <Sgeo> Oh, didn't see your inquiries
04:45:37 <Sgeo> inquires
04:46:42 <Sgeo> gf was feeling very sick at school and upset at being sick. I met up with her as soon as she texted (I was on campus), stayed with her at medical office, and until she got a cab to go home
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04:51:10 <Sgeo> pikhq_, poje
04:51:14 <Sgeo> poke
04:51:23 <pikhq_> Sgeo: Hmm.
05:01:07 <elliott> poje
05:01:58 <pikhq_> "Poje", Finnish for "poke"
06:02:42 <kmc> play -n synth 5 sine 350 sine 440 channels 1
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06:16:19 <Sgeo> Is it pathetic that I'm using a Java decompiler on a .jar I made?
06:17:48 <kmc> not pathetic, just a little bit funny
06:17:56 <kmc> you do what you gotta do Sgeo
06:18:07 <Sgeo> I don't have to do it
06:18:20 <Sgeo> There are other ways for me to view the code
06:18:28 <Sgeo> Just right now I find the decompiler the most convenient
06:18:54 <Sgeo> (I did not download the decompiler for this particular .jar, but for another one for which a decompiler actually makes sense)
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06:52:41 <shachaf> 22:44 <SamanthaAD> mostly what I wanted to know when I came here was a general idea of why Haskell did everything with monads so I could see the way the languages was coming together in my mind as I progressed through the tutorials.
06:52:53 <shachaf> Why is the Internet so misleading? :-(
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07:00:43 <kmc> oh no i've learned how to use bash arrays
07:01:58 <kmc> also i have written some silly commands, like
07:01:59 <kmc> f() { echo : synth 0.2 sine $1 sine $2 channels 1 pad 0 0.1; }; play -n synth 2 sine 350 sine 440 channels 1 $(f 1336 852) $(f 1477 770) $(f 1209 852) $(f 1336 770) $(f 1477 697) $(f 1336 941) $(f 1477 852) : synth 2 sine 440 sine 480 channels 1 pad 0 4 repeat 99
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07:05:01 <shachaf> kmc: That's a weird experience.
07:06:28 <shachaf> kmc: Context?
07:06:51 <kmc> ?
07:07:07 <kmc> which experience is weird
07:07:10 <kmc> learning to use bash arrays?
07:07:17 <shachaf> The phone dial thing.
07:07:39 <kmc> it's just the sound of dialing a phone
07:07:54 <shachaf> Unexpected, and even though I'd just run the command I immediately wondered what phone the sound was coming from.
07:08:02 <kmc> :)
07:09:24 <fizzie> Why is it 8675309?
07:09:47 <shachaf> There's a song.
07:10:05 <fizzie> Oh, is it that Jenny thing?
07:10:08 <shachaf> I don't know if I've ever heard the actual song.
07:10:21 <fizzie> I'm sure I haven't heard it, but I have heard of it.
07:10:32 <fizzie> Just not often enough to recognize the number.
07:11:03 <kmc> wow you decoded it
07:12:00 <fizzie> I'm a bit sad I didn't get to decode it from a waveform.
07:12:11 <fizzie> It would've felt so CSI-ish, I believe.
07:12:37 <Jafet> "It's in redbook. Fortunately, I speak redbook!"
07:12:51 <fizzie> (This was not a request for making a waveform with some other DTMF digits, I've got actual work to do.)
07:13:28 <fizzie> DTMF decoding was one of the Matlab exercises on the introduction-to-DSP course, I think.
07:13:41 <elliott> Death To Motherfuckers decoding
07:13:59 <elliott> the true meaning of christmas???
07:15:04 <kmc> yes
07:38:24 <Sgeo> I'm not sure whether to be impressed by JSONP or disgusted that it needs to exist.
07:39:20 <ion> sgeo: Yes.
07:40:18 <Sgeo> ...I feel like a derp for only realizing the horrific security implications after having read that part of the Wikipedia article.
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07:53:57 <w64code4670> God! www.mejesus.com
07:54:59 <fizzie> "It's-a me, Mario."
07:55:15 <ion> w64code4670: I think you accidentally the protocol.
07:55:37 <ion> I’m going to assume you meant gopher://
07:57:15 <fizzie> I assumed HTTP, but I think I assumed wrong, because there an ArgumentOutOfRangeException in c:\domains\mejesus.com\wwwroot\App_Code\MeCulture.cs, on the line if(avaliable.Contains(s.ToLower().Substring(0, 5))). (That's one detailed error message.)
07:58:23 <ion> So… not avaliable.
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10:13:09 <oerjan> the rumors of my death etc. etc.
10:13:09 <lambdabot> oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
10:13:15 <oerjan> @messages
10:13:15 <lambdabot> shachaf said 13d 10h 33m 36s ago: sorry
10:13:42 <fizzie> Poignant.
10:13:54 <oerjan> @tell shachaf YOU WILL BE SORRY
10:13:54 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:14:17 <shachaf> @massages oerjan
10:14:18 <lambdabot> oerjan said 24s ago: YOU WILL BE SORRY
10:14:23 <shachaf> hi oerjan
10:14:31 <shachaf> we missed you :'(
10:14:37 <oerjan> it doesn't help that shachaf missed that i'd been there just two days before
10:14:54 <shachaf> oerjan: I don't logread.
10:15:13 <shachaf> oerjan: What was I sorry for, again?
10:15:22 <oerjan> i dunno, haven't got to that part yet
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10:17:48 <oerjan> 23:40:06: <elliott> shachaf: Maybe you shouldn't make jokes about oerjan dying.
10:17:51 <oerjan> 23:40:29: <shachaf> @tell oerjan sorry
10:18:47 <fizzie> Were they at least funny jokes?
10:19:32 <oerjan> i think they were undetectable jokes
10:19:41 <ion> @messages
10:19:41 <lambdabot> You don't have any new messages.
10:19:48 <ion> @@ @tell shachaf @messages
10:19:48 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:20:28 <shachaf> @@ @tell ion @messages
10:20:28 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:20:40 <fizzie> @_@
10:20:45 <ion> @@ @tell shachaf @messages
10:20:45 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:20:49 <shachaf> @messages
10:20:49 <lambdabot> ion said 3s ago: shachaf said 17s ago: ion said 40s ago: You don't have any new messages.
10:21:21 <shachaf> oerjan: So you didn't die?
10:21:23 <shachaf> What happened?
10:21:36 <ion> despite shachaf’s best efforts?
10:21:46 <oerjan> <shachaf> I bet he's logreading this right now <-- WOW SPOOKY
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10:22:10 <shachaf> ion: No way! oerjan > /me / 3
10:22:27 <fizzie> Is that a "fat guy" joke?
10:22:28 <oerjan> wtf is that notation
10:22:52 <fizzie> oerjan: You're worth barely a third of a shachaf, I think.
10:23:06 <oerjan> OKAY
10:23:14 <shachaf> *more than* a third!
10:23:22 <shachaf> People! Pay attention!
10:23:30 <shachaf> oerjan: Speaking of which, have you used any lenses lately?
10:23:54 <oerjan> nope, my eyesight is ... ok maybe i should have checked it again.
10:24:10 <oerjan> *it checked
10:26:58 <oerjan> ok now the people in the logs are _actually_ joking about my death.
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10:27:36 <oerjan> and then it went downhill from there.
10:27:49 <shachaf> don't do it, oerjan!
10:27:51 <shachaf> don't logread!
10:28:03 <oerjan> ...i'm just searching for my nick...
10:28:13 <oerjan> no intention of reading _everything_
10:31:26 <fizzie> I just searched for your nick too.
10:31:32 <fizzie> "Downhill" is kind of mildly put.
10:37:30 <oerjan> hm i'm still logged in on esolang on this computer
10:38:04 <oerjan> i sort of expected logouts to be global for a nick
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12:32:47 <ion> poonikins the magic warrior princess http://youtu.be/rt4p9A-U4Ko
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15:39:15 <AnotherTest> Hello
15:45:14 <boily> hi.
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16:38:41 <Arc_Koen> ok, carriage interpreter in Ocaml seems to be working
16:57:36 <atriq> Yay!
16:58:08 <atriq> I was writing in Haskell, but I don't know if I'll bother
16:59:36 <atriq> Because CPressey already did
17:00:30 <atriq> On another note, how easy is it to set my computer up as a proxy server?
17:02:18 <Arc_Koen> I guess that depends a proxy server for whom
17:02:28 <Arc_Koen> buuuuut I really don't know anything about it
17:06:28 <kmc> and what kind of proxy
17:06:37 <kmc> What Are You Really Trying To Do (tm)
17:07:29 <atriq> Who Knows
17:07:32 <atriq> (tm)
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17:39:13 <atriq> Well, the candidate I voted for lost quite badly
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17:47:29 <kmc> for what?
17:47:33 <kmc> fedora code name?
17:48:01 <atriq> Police and Crime Commissioner
17:48:11 <atriq> Much less important
17:48:22 <kmc> oh
17:48:49 <atriq> But yeah, 16.4% turnout
17:48:54 <atriq> Not many people care
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17:50:45 <atriq> Huh
17:50:58 <atriq> > (56 + 26.6) + 10.6
17:50:59 <lambdabot> 93.19999999999999
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17:55:27 <fizzie> lambdabot: Are you SURE?
17:55:50 <kmc> why didn't it print 93.2, HASKELL SUCKS
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17:56:09 <fizzie> Yeah, even the Windows calculator is better! (Disclaimer: didn't test Windows calculator.)
17:56:44 <kmc> windows calculator is 5 times as fast because it has fewer assembly instructions (disclaimer: did not measure speed) (disclaimer: did not look at disassembly)
17:56:59 <FreeFull> kmc: Because it doesn't use decimal/fixed-precision arithmetic by default
17:57:42 <FreeFull> Windows calculator calculates 2^100000 like a champ. Yep.
17:58:38 <kmc> LIKE A BOSS
17:59:33 <fizzie> > 2.0^100000 -- LIKE A CHUM
17:59:35 <lambdabot> Infinity
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18:00:20 <quintopia> i got that email once
18:00:24 <quintopia> and ignored it hardcore
18:00:42 <quintopia> cuz like...doesnt every poster get one?
18:00:59 <elliott> something like that yes
18:01:20 <elliott> I actually do have a shitload of rep from the haskell tag though so if there was a reasonable threshold I would probably cross it
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18:09:09 <atriq> Trivia: GEDCOM doesn't support people having more than 999 children
18:11:49 <oerjan> i wonder how many have had that.
18:13:26 <oerjan> i recall that a significant fraction of asians are decended from the same man, theorized to be genghis khan. although that doesn't mean he'd have had to have that many directly.
18:13:34 <oerjan> *descended
18:14:18 <atriq> I heard 0.5% of everyone, and 5% of Asians
18:14:25 <atriq> He did rape, pillage, and burn a lot.
18:14:32 <atriq> If he focused on the first, he could maybe manage it,.
18:16:34 <kmc> if you look far enough into the future, odds are extremely high that either everyone alive is descended from you, or nobody is
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18:18:09 <Arc_Koen> kmc: 93.2 may be a more correct approximation, but it would mislead you into believing the answer is exactly 93.2
18:18:37 <Arc_Koen> whereas everyone knows what 93.1999999999999 means!
18:20:05 <Arc_Koen> kmc: would it be possible that every person x from generation (far enough into the future) is descended from *every* person y from generation (present)?
18:20:22 <kmc> unlikely
18:20:26 <kmc> some people will have their line die out
18:20:28 <Arc_Koen> assuming we dump those who don't have kids
18:20:35 <kmc> even if you have kids, your kids might not
18:20:54 <kmc> Arc_Koen: obviously it should use interval arithmetic by default
18:20:55 <Bike> there are also isolated groups, like the sentinelese.
18:21:00 <Arc_Koen> no, I mean, if my kids don't have kids, then we dump my kids, thus I don't have kids, thus we dump me
18:21:25 <Arc_Koen> (sad story)
18:22:38 <kmc> oh
18:31:31 <oerjan> it might be possible that for some pair of generations, everyone who has descendants has all of the others as descendants
18:32:08 <Arc_Koen> ./carriage '11+$11+111+@!'
18:32:08 <Arc_Koen> Fatal error: exception Carriage.EXPLOSION
18:32:12 <Arc_Koen> atriq: :(
18:32:58 <Vorpal> heh, I finally got my SB Live card working under windows 7, with the alpha kX drivers. What a difference to the crappy on board Intel "HD" it is.
18:33:19 <Arc_Koen> of course that's what should be expected when being overconfident and putting raise (EXPLOSION) everywhere where something might go wrong, with no indication as to *what* went wrong
18:33:56 <Arc_Koen> examples 1 and 3 work fine, though
18:34:01 <kmc> raise TheRoof
18:34:44 <Vorpal> what language is it that uses "raise" to throw exceptions?
18:35:02 <Arc_Koen> Ocaml does
18:35:06 <Vorpal> ah
18:35:59 <Gregor> C does… ^^
18:36:12 <Arc_Koen> you can also use failwith "some text here" , which is equivalent to let _ = raise (Failure "some text here") in ()
18:36:50 <oerjan> :t raise
18:36:51 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `raise'
18:36:59 <Arc_Koen> that is, it is equivalent to ignore (raise (Failure "some text here"))
18:37:20 <oerjan> @hoogle Exception a => a -> b
18:37:20 <lambdabot> Control.Exception.Base throw :: Exception e => e -> a
18:37:21 <lambdabot> Control.Exception throw :: Exception e => e -> a
18:37:21 <lambdabot> Control.OldException throw :: Exception e => e -> a
18:38:42 <elliott> i feel like i should say something about ocaml sucking
18:39:30 <Arc_Koen> go ahead
18:39:53 <elliott> ocaml sux
18:40:03 <kmc> mm yes
18:40:07 <kmc> quite
18:43:38 <Gregor> F♯ is AWESOME tho 8-D
18:43:57 <kmc> props for using correct sharp symbol
18:44:16 <Gregor> Well, I was actually referring to the musical note.
18:44:20 <Gregor> The language is fucking terrible.
18:44:28 <kmc> someone should make a language called F♯ A♯ ∞
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18:54:43 <elliott> kmc: did you know that C Sharp is actually officially C#
18:54:46 <elliott> not C♯
18:55:01 <elliott> kmc: I think there actually is an A♯
18:55:07 <elliott> so all someone has to do is make ∞ and then write a polyglot in 'em
18:56:28 <kmc> that sucks
18:58:08 <elliott> you suck kmc
19:00:00 <kmc> probably so
19:00:09 <kmc> i suck myself??
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19:09:01 <atriq> Grah GEDCOM is so ridiculously complicated
19:10:54 <kmc> Bike: now i am arguing with a friend about whether south sentinel island should count as an independent country
19:11:02 <kmc> they don't have international recognition, but neither do some other things he counts
19:11:15 <kmc> they have complete control over their territory and its foreign policy and trade
19:11:19 <quintopia> why no one tell me about this https://github.com/orangeduck/CPP_COMPLETE
19:12:32 <Bike> hahaha, you're welcome
19:14:17 <kmc> their claim to such is not really disputed either
19:15:57 <Bike> aren't they officially just sort of vaguely "administrated" by the indian government?
19:16:08 <kmc> yeah
19:17:12 <elliott> "Ultimately just this should be enough for turing completeness. Using these truth tables one could theoretically make a binary computer much like has been done in systems such Conway's Game of Life or even Minecraft."
19:17:15 <elliott> that's only finite memory goddamn it
19:17:18 <elliott> charlatan
19:18:13 <elliott> oh good it gets fixed later
19:18:17 <quintopia> yeah, that sounded off to me too, but it does look like what he actually created /is/ at least a LBA
19:18:21 <Bike> i'm more disappointed that he didn't use NAND instead of AND
19:19:34 <elliott> /*! Empty Data Array - Extend for more Cells */
19:19:34 <elliott> #define BF_DATA_EMPTY() (0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0)
19:19:34 <elliott> okay
19:19:38 <elliott> so it's not a proof of turing completeness
19:19:40 <elliott> go home everybody
19:20:26 <atriq> This should be really easy why isn't this really easy :(
19:20:29 <atriq> Not that, this.
19:20:38 <oerjan> because of karma.
19:20:49 <oerjan> @karma atriq
19:20:51 <lambdabot> atriq has a karma of 1
19:21:38 <quintopia> it's not a TC proof, but it is a passable implementation of BF
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19:27:52 <Arc_Koen> oerjan: I thought it was more readable without the plainpres
19:27:56 <Arc_Koen> (talking about LOCK)
19:28:12 <Arc_Koen> or maybe it would be better as a "horizontal" table?
19:28:49 <Arc_Koen> though the point of it being vertical is you can see identation
19:28:53 <Arc_Koen> indentation
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19:29:25 <kmc> exec 3>&2 > >(ts >> log) 2>&1
19:33:07 <oerjan> O KAY
19:33:32 <Arc_Koen> I sense some disagreement in that okay
19:33:42 <oerjan> the force is strong in this one
19:33:45 <oerjan> *with
19:34:12 <elliott> i missed O KAY
19:38:43 <Arc_Koen> must be some disturbance in the force
19:39:01 <Arc_Koen> atriq: how's your fueue interpreter going?
19:39:05 <oerjan> ah right
19:39:21 <atriq> Arc_Koen, I had a really weird error
19:39:31 <atriq> That worked differently when I tried to debug it
19:39:45 <Arc_Koen> tell me more I want to laugh too
19:40:01 <atriq> I said weird, not funny
19:40:03 <atriq> But anyway
19:40:26 <atriq> Running oerjan's Thue-Morse sequence program, it printed 0 then got caught in an infinite loop
19:40:30 <atriq> So I tried to debug it
19:40:55 <atriq> It printed "011" and errored trying to print an invalid character
19:42:18 <atriq> And because the code is awful, I'm gonna clear it and try again
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19:43:54 <Arc_Koen> I think I might have run is similar bugs
19:44:21 <Arc_Koen> oerjan: do you agree we blame this on your Thue-Morse sequence program?
19:44:28 <atriq> I do not
19:44:54 <Arc_Koen> that's why I asked Oerjan
19:47:20 <oerjan> well is there any interpreter which _does_ run it with the intended result?
19:48:03 <Arc_Koen> mines do
19:48:12 <oerjan> good, good.
19:48:19 <Arc_Koen> but they did have some problems the first times they encountered it
19:48:20 <oerjan> in which case, no.
19:48:50 <Arc_Koen> what, just because one or two interpreters interpret it correctly, you assume there is nothing wrong with it?!
19:49:05 <oerjan> sure, that's the standard policy, right?
19:49:46 <Arc_Koen> what if the interpreters are wrong and it cancels out?
19:50:18 <oerjan> then everything explodes in gamma rays. also standard policy.
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20:19:22 <Vorpal> heh
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20:42:51 <atriq> Okay, writing it like this makes it significantly shorter
20:43:01 <atriq> From about 100 lines of code to about 30
20:43:58 <FreeFull> What did you change?
20:47:46 <atriq> Replaced a big nested case tree thingy with viewpatterns
20:49:36 <atriq> And it still behaves in the same way!
20:49:42 <atriq> The same, really incorrect way
20:50:35 <Gregor> Everybody stock up on Twinkies!
20:50:50 <Gregor> The Twinkies you buy now will be the last for the REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE
20:51:13 <FreeFull> Screw twinkies
20:51:19 <FreeFull> Eclairs all the way
20:51:28 <oerjan> what's Gregor babbling about
20:51:49 <Arc_Koen> hehehe just beat my father 8-0 in backgammon
20:52:05 <Arc_Koen> I think that's a pretty good argument in favour of "none of us knows how to play"
20:52:48 <Gregor> http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-closing/
20:52:52 <Gregor> oerjan: ^^^
20:53:37 <oerjan> but but how then will america identify their future leaders
20:53:51 <elliott> `
20:53:53 <elliott> oops
20:54:03 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
20:54:08 <Gregor> ... loooooooooooool
20:54:19 <Gregor> Please, HackEgo, run the epsilon program.
20:54:26 <Gregor> oerjan: I don't know!
20:56:05 <Gregor> A world without Wonder “Bread” is a world not worth living in, my friends.
20:58:54 <FreeFull> Real bread or no bread
20:59:27 <oerjan> "The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union"
20:59:44 <oerjan> one of these is even less like the others...
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21:10:37 <atriq> Hmm, that could be causing problems
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21:18:03 <atriq> Okay, the Fueue program that should print the alphabet is instead printing out ^A, \-91
21:19:51 <atriq> Arc_Koen, could you send me a run-through of the first couple of hundred steps of that program?
21:20:23 <Arc_Koen> for some values of "a couple", yes
21:20:54 <atriq> Does that include "a couple" == 2?
21:21:40 <atriq> Or "all of them"
21:22:15 <Arc_Koen> uh, well
21:22:24 <Arc_Koen> truth is I don't have an option to count the number of steps
21:22:36 <Arc_Koen> so I'll try to interrupt it before it overflows my window
21:23:08 <atriq> Could you do "fueueinterpwhatever > file", and send me the file?
21:23:28 <Arc_Koen> I don't think I wanaa do that directly
21:23:41 <Arc_Koen> unless you can provide me with knowledge on how not to create an infinite-length file
21:24:22 <Arc_Koen> or can I do ./fueuec --print ')$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]' > file and then still halt at any time with ^C or ^D ?
21:24:40 <Arc_Koen> wait, I seem to remember having that conversion with you a couple months ago
21:24:48 <atriq> I don't recall this
21:25:14 <Arc_Koen> hey can I combine that with sprunge directly?
21:25:21 <Arc_Koen> ok, probably not a good idea
21:25:57 <Arc_Koen> oh wait, it's a finite loop
21:26:01 <Arc_Koen> that was instantaneous
21:26:07 <Arc_Koen> probably not 200 steps then
21:26:18 <Arc_Koen> ok, how do I send that to you?
21:26:30 <atriq> Some pasting service?
21:26:32 <Arc_Koen> is there some nice way I can send an email directly from the shell?
21:26:32 <atriq> Email?
21:26:47 <FreeFull> Originally email was only sent from the shell, Arc_Koen
21:26:54 <Arc_Koen> shocker
21:27:13 <atriq> I don't think so?
21:27:13 <atriq> Not without setting it up, at least
21:27:33 <Arc_Koen> so can I do something like "email -from koen@stuff -to atriq@stuff -content Hello atriq how are you"?
21:27:36 <FreeFull> pastebin is easier
21:27:37 <Gregor> /usr/sbin/sendmail
21:27:48 <Arc_Koen> I'm gonna abuse that command!
21:27:57 <Gregor> It's not abuse, that's what it's there for X_X
21:30:30 <FreeFull> https://github.com/zodman/dpaster
21:30:58 <Arc_Koen> that looks incredibly complicated
21:31:13 <Arc_Koen> there are about 30 options and none of them seems to be the recipient's mail
21:31:39 <atriq> It will probably be easier to paste it somewhere
21:31:49 <Arc_Koen> in fact, it almost looks like I'm supposed to know stuff about email protocols
21:32:00 <Gregor> Arc_Koen: You're supposed to pass in the email headers.
21:32:11 <Arc_Koen> that's what I just said!
21:32:12 <FreeFull> Just use dpaster from above or something similar
21:32:12 <elliott> mailx is a thing
21:32:19 <FreeFull> And then give atriq a link
21:32:26 <Arc_Koen> I'm gonna use thunderbird for tonight
21:32:33 <Arc_Koen> but one day I sware i'll know how to send an email
21:32:48 <Gregor> Arc_Koen: Dude, email headers are ASCII pairs, it's not even remotely difficult X_X
21:33:12 <Gregor> To: whoever@wherever.com\nFrom: whosinwhatsit@wherever.weee\nSubject: I will eat your brains.\n\nBody
21:33:44 <Gregor> And /usr/sbin/sendmail -t is the only option you want.
21:34:00 <quintopia> i am intimately familiar with this structure, it being that i use vmail for my email, which has you edit the email document directly ;D
21:34:43 <quintopia> also, i believe you meant "Subject: Re: Your Brains\n"
21:35:14 <Gregor> Subject: Lunch? (was Re: Your brains)
21:36:20 <Arc_Koen> ok, well, email sent
21:36:35 <atriq> Recieved
21:36:44 <Arc_Koen> that was easy
21:39:05 <Arc_Koen> atriq: also all numbers in the queue are preceded with a space, so "- 2" means [subtraction, 2] whereas "-2" means [-2]
21:40:16 <Sgeo> atriq, elliott blah blah blah
21:40:26 <elliott>
21:40:29 <elliott> you forgot monqy
21:40:57 <Sgeo> hisorry monqy
21:41:05 <monqy> hi Sgeo
21:41:15 <monqy> and elliott too
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22:03:54 <atriq> Sgeo, Homestuck update
22:03:58 <atriq> Do the thingy
22:04:08 <Sgeo> I did the thingy.
22:04:38 <atriq> Oh wait
22:04:39 <atriq> You did
22:04:58 <atriq> I thought that was you being annoyed at me and Arc_Koen for some reason
22:05:15 <atriq> Thank you for the thingy
22:05:52 <Arc_Koen> understandable
22:06:18 <Arc_Koen> seeing as how similar "elliott" and "Arc_Koen" look
22:10:50 <atriq> Got it!
22:10:52 <atriq> Aha!
22:10:54 <atriq> Ahaha!
22:11:33 <oerjan> mad with fueury
22:21:20 <atriq> Okay, it now successfully prints "A"
22:21:27 <atriq> And I know why it doesn't get onto "B"
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22:32:40 <atriq> SUCCESS!
22:33:17 <oerjan> IMPOSSIBLE!
22:33:53 <Arc_Koen> now to write a fueue interpreter in fueue
22:34:15 <atriq> Oh no!
22:34:21 <atriq> Oh don't you dare be wrong now!
22:34:30 <atriq> The Alphabet program works
22:34:39 <atriq> The Thue-Morse sequence program prints "0"
22:38:17 <Arc_Koen> a good beginning
22:38:51 <atriq> And nothing else...
22:44:50 <atriq> Arc_Koen, could you give me a similar run-through for the Thue-Morse one?
22:44:58 <Arc_Koen> of course
22:45:08 <atriq> Thank you
22:47:43 <Arc_Koen> 75.5 Mo
22:47:45 <Arc_Koen> is that too much
22:48:09 <atriq> What unit is a "Mo"
22:48:27 <Arc_Koen> oh right
22:48:37 <Arc_Koen> the o stands for octet, which is french for byte
22:48:44 <atriq> Aaah
22:48:45 <atriq> Heh
22:49:02 <Arc_Koen> so, 1000000 bytes, or something
22:49:12 <atriq> Could you pipe it through "head -n 1000" or something?
22:49:16 <Arc_Koen> I never know whether it's 2^20 or 10^3
22:49:20 <Arc_Koen> ok
22:50:45 <Arc_Koen> sent
22:50:58 <atriq> Recieved
22:56:41 <oerjan> 75.5 mol
23:09:00 <kmc> that's a lot of bytes
23:09:34 <atriq> Especially seeing as it diverges from mine in about 12 lines
23:11:28 <shachaf> > 75.5*6e23
23:11:30 <lambdabot> 4.53e25
23:12:07 <elliott> <Arc_Koen> the o stands for octet, which is french for byte
23:12:08 <elliott> joking right
23:12:29 <elliott> well
23:12:29 <Arc_Koen> how so?
23:12:37 <elliott> i guess french might use octet where others would use byte but
23:12:42 <elliott> octet is a term outside of french
23:12:51 <elliott> and actually octet and byte have subtly different meanings that nobody cares about
23:12:57 <atriq> SUCCESS
23:13:04 <Arc_Koen> yeah, "octet" has an "eight" thing into it
23:13:30 <shachaf> Hmm, someone should use "octave" for something.
23:13:35 <shachaf> As far as I can tell octave = bit
23:13:44 <Arc_Koen> but since "Mo" didn't ring a bell, I just assumed it was french
23:15:13 <shachaf> But you might be able to get away with octave = 12 bits?
23:15:29 <atriq> Now I need to write a main action, test it, make a back up, and then mess with it
23:15:46 <kmc> byte meaning 8 bits is like word meaning 16 bits except more so
23:16:19 <Arc_Koen> thing is we really don't have another word for byte in french
23:16:22 <kmc> i'm not sure what the distinction is between the machine-specific definitoins of byte and word, though
23:16:38 <kmc> other than that byte got fixed to 8 bits and people still needed a term for one unit for the machine
23:16:53 <Arc_Koen> (which is ok, because anyone caring about the distinction would do their work in english anyway)
23:16:55 <shachaf> People use "word" to mean 32 or 64 bits, though.
23:17:04 <shachaf> Sometimes they prefix it with "machine" or something.
23:21:46 <coppro> 02:40:18 < Sgeo> ...I feel like a derp for only realizing the horrific security implications after having read that part of the Wikipedia article.
23:21:57 <coppro> your intuition is bad and you should feel bad
23:23:01 <coppro> Sgeo: having dealt with someone who needs a lot of attention, it is on some level basic human decency, but there is definitely a point where it stops being because you have other shit to do
23:24:06 <atriq> Do I want to know context?
23:25:09 <Sgeo> First part about horrific security implications is about JSONP
23:25:37 <Sgeo> Second part is how I felt like I adored by my gf for having basic human decency for staying with her on campus when she got sick
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23:26:36 <atriq> I am not familiar with JSONP
23:26:42 <atriq> Or your girlfriend, for that matter
23:26:42 <coppro> it's ok
23:26:44 <coppro> it's dumb
23:27:32 <Sgeo> My girlfriend is not dumb.
23:28:01 <coppro> was not talking about it
23:28:11 <atriq> How seriously sick are we talking?
23:29:11 <Sgeo> Nothing lethal.
23:31:23 <Sgeo> Sick as in "acutely sick in class"
23:31:56 <Sgeo> Actually, I can imagine using JSONP, if I control both services
23:33:01 <Sgeo> atriq, JSONP is the idea of doing an AJAX-like thing from a different domain by making a SCRIPT tag that src's the service and the service returns the data wrapped in a function call, function supplied by the requestor
23:33:04 <atriq> Okay, that sick, I would say it definitely is basic human decency
23:33:12 <atriq> Okay
23:33:18 <coppro> yeah, if it's acute, definitely
23:33:21 <atriq> I'm gonna go now and probably sleep or something
23:33:24 <atriq> Who knows
23:36:08 <Sgeo> Apparently her ex wouldn't have done that. I asked.
23:37:25 <coppro> ass
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23:39:55 <monqy> but would her ex have asked
23:46:28 <Arc_Koen> Sgeo: My girlfriend is not dumb. / coppro: was not talking about it
23:46:28 <Arc_Koen> nice
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23:59:15 <Phantom_Hoover> df update: i'm so awful at designing things
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