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00:00:16 <elliott> HAPPY UTC APOCALYPSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:00:24 <fizzie> olsner: Is it finlandssvenska, though?
00:00:38 <olsner> fizzie: imo it's not
00:00:42 <fizzie> They speak that here on the cost a lot.
00:00:58 <elliott> i don't get it why are you guys still alive
00:00:59 <elliott> ohhhh
00:01:02 <elliott> different timezones
00:01:10 <olsner> sounds more like an arbitrary northern swedish dialect
00:01:11 <fizzie> Maybe Åland counts as real Swedish since they're monolingual IIRC.
00:03:05 <olsner> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Åland_Swedish says "generally considered to be a variant of eastern swedish"
00:03:17 <fizzie> There were two people speaking finlandssvenska in the train, and they talked about their friend who was just 14 years old, but already used something that contextually sounded like a drug, but what they called "Eemeli".
00:03:43 <fizzie> I don't know what it was all about.
00:04:12 <olsner> could be referring to a girl called Emelie
00:04:28 <Phantom_Hoover> eemeli was born with naturally psychotropic skin
00:04:43 <fizzie> I think that bit was in Finnish. It's a Finnish male name.
00:05:48 <fizzie> There was also a 50-something old guy who said he's no good at fistfights, so he'd like to get a gun, because he's good at shooting people. He was going to Turku to meet his friend Herkko, who was currently in court; when Herkko got out they were going to drink away his money.
00:06:17 <Bike> and you didn't get his number?
00:06:32 <fizzie> Also, he had just left his wife and kids without letting them know except by leaving a letter, and he was going to send out the divorce papers from Turku.
00:06:35 <Phantom_Hoover> that's swedes for you
00:06:48 <Phantom_Hoover> to whom was he relating this
00:07:02 <fizzie> Someone was going to hit concrete from the fifth floor, too. That part was a bit unclear.
00:07:13 <fizzie> To someone at the other end of a telephone call.
00:07:34 <fizzie> The stories are I suppose the best thing about public transportation.
00:08:15 <Phantom_Hoover> public transportation is unfortunately extortionate and dull
00:08:25 <Phantom_Hoover> *in england
00:08:41 <Phantom_Hoover> in scotland it is at least not as extortionate
00:09:19 <olsner> boring and dull until you try to get off the train and have to discover that the door handle is on the outside
00:09:21 <fizzie> Admittedly it's predominantly dull in Finland too. It's not a thing that is done that you would speak to any stranger. (Which I like, but then again I am a Finn too.)
00:10:12 <fizzie> At most you might grumble something like "that's my stop" when you're in the window seat, want to get out, and the other person isn't getting the hint from your angry scowl.
00:10:37 <olsner> oh, what a verbose way to get off a train
00:10:53 <fizzie> (Because the angry scowl is naturally the default setting.)
00:11:44 <Phantom_Hoover> my kind of country
00:11:59 <olsner> I'd expect the escalation order to be something more like subtle look -> angry look -> knife fight
00:12:03 <elliott> fizzie: q: are all finns depressed or does it just look that way
00:12:35 <Phantom_Hoover> olsner, it's finland, it'd be a drunken gun fight
00:13:21 <olsner> but with a gun there would be no blood on your hands
00:13:46 <fizzie> We do knife fights.
00:14:02 <Bike> my favorite public transport experience was seeing a ninety year old lady with a t-shirt reading "FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCKERS". no word on her knife fight capacity, though
00:14:08 <fizzie> At night, in the grill fast-food stand queue.
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00:15:34 <Phantom_Hoover> olsner, just stick your hands in the blood and spread it around a bit
00:15:44 <kmc> Bike: where was it?
00:15:47 <zzo38> What is your Dungeons&Dragons character's father's surname?
00:16:00 <kmc> there are lots of videos on YouTube of fights on MUNI
00:16:06 <kmc> don't know of any knife fights though
00:16:10 <Bike> kmc: portland's MAX thingie
00:16:27 <Bike> so, perhaps not that surprising
00:16:31 <fizzie> Hey, I've been in Portland's MAX thingie.
00:16:42 <fizzie> All I saw were young men in tight jeans.
00:16:57 <kmc> mmm light rail
00:16:59 <Bike> i was even traveling with such a young man at the time, can you believe it
00:17:28 <kmc> can you dig it daddy-o
00:17:38 <Bike> we were practicing our beat poetry
00:18:12 <fizzie> Oh, except! An oldish lady (65+?) bought me a ticket, because I was from Finland and she had been married to a Swedish guy like 30 years ago.
00:18:30 <elliott> haha
00:18:47 <elliott> what's the difference
00:18:55 <fizzie> (I was having a bit of a trouble with the ticket-selling machine. And so did others using it, so I suppose it was kind of wonky.)
00:19:24 <fizzie> I can't remember the name of her (late? ex?) husband, but it was some really prototypically Swedish name.
00:19:34 <fizzie> I think it was a two-parter.
00:21:58 <fizzie> Sundström. (Okay, not really a two-parter, but a compound anyway.)
00:22:04 <Jafet> Lars Larsson
00:25:10 <kmc> hans moleman
00:28:01 <fizzie> 1909 Sundströms living in Finland.
00:29:07 <kmc> sundström sounds like a unit of deadly radiation
00:29:15 <kmc> 1909 sundströms would certainly be fatal
00:37:55 <fizzie> Yeah, the *yearly* limit is like 220 millisundströms, right?
00:39:30 <quintopia> what's the conversion factor for sundströms to roentgens?
00:39:57 <elliott> `frink sundström -> roentgen
00:40:07 <HackEgo> Warning: undefined symbol "sundström". \ Unconvertable expression: \ sundström (undefined symbol) -> 129/500000 (exactly 2.58e-4) s kg^-1 A (unknown unit type)
00:40:40 <Bike> second-amperes per kilogram. i can dig it.
00:41:12 <quintopia> second amperes is coulombs, isnt it
00:41:41 <Bike> yeah but then you lose the ordering
00:42:17 <Bike> oh, apparently that's actually what roentgens are. silly me.
00:43:49 <quintopia> so irradiation is a measure of charge density per unit mass
00:44:15 <quintopia> makes sense but its still somewhat surprising, since it was expecting a more traditional measure of energy
00:44:43 <Phantom_Hoover> there really isn't an elementary definition
01:01:55 <zzo38> What things might be measure in square seconds? What might be measured in square hertz?
01:02:33 <Bike> square hertz is pretty useful for acceleration
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01:03:55 <zzo38> What units of angular measurement are there?
01:04:04 <quintopia> there are three
01:04:23 <quintopia> radians, degrees, and gradient
01:04:39 <quintopia> arcseconds is a special case
01:05:10 <quintopia> it is part of the degrees system
01:06:41 <quintopia> square arcseconds can be used to measure "solid angle" which corresponds the an area / subset of s^2
01:06:46 <quintopia> erm
01:06:49 <quintopia> S^2
01:07:28 <zzo38> I know of radians, degrees, grads, turns, brads, arcminutes, arcseconds, sidereal hours, astrological signs, right angles, compass directions, clocks, and probably some more I missed.
01:07:54 <zzo38> quintopia: O, I didn't know that! Can you have cubic radians?
01:09:51 <quintopia> sure
01:10:23 <zzo38> What is measured with cubic radians per square ampere?
01:10:25 <quintopia> most of the later ones you listed are special cases of the first ones
01:11:16 <quintopia> well, cubic radians measures the volume of an intercepted "arc" of S^3
01:11:41 <quintopia> which means it is most useful in 4D geomtery
01:11:45 <zzo38> quintopia: Well, yes they are often given by part and smaller parts, degrees/arcminutes/arcseconds, or sidereal hours/minutes/seconds, or degree/sign, like how with length you might have feet/inches.
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01:12:29 <quintopia> a square ampere sounds meaningless to me
01:12:45 <zzo38> Can a square ohm be used for anything?
01:13:08 <Bike> aren't there square ohms in the definition of farads or something
01:13:15 <zzo38> Maybe; I don't know.
01:13:38 <quintopia> ohms are v/a, so it would be square volts per square ampere and again i cant see what a square ampere could mean physically
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01:14:43 <quintopia> yes there is square amperes in farad definitions
01:15:48 <Bike> quartic-second-square-amperes per kilogram-square-meters, i think you mean!
01:16:25 <quintopia> apparently because voltss is define in terms of amps and ohms in defined in terms of both
01:16:37 <quintopia> the definition of ohm has A^-2
01:16:47 <quintopia> and so farads, as s/ohm
01:16:51 <quintopia> has A^2
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03:04:01 <Fiora> sgeo_: update?
03:05:26 <shachaf> Fiora................
03:05:29 <shachaf> That's not how it works.
03:05:36 <shachaf> You've upset the natural order of things.
03:05:43 <Fiora> nyahahaha~
03:12:51 <Phantom_Hoover> sgeo_, you're underperforming
03:12:57 <Phantom_Hoover> Fiora, you now do sgeo_'s job
03:14:07 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: Can I do your job now?
03:14:12 <Phantom_Hoover> sure
03:14:18 <Phantom_Hoover> heavy lies the crown etc.
03:14:49 <shachaf> Hmm?
03:14:57 <shachaf> Come to think of it I'm not sure what Phantom_Hoover's job is.
03:15:12 <Phantom_Hoover> that is the greater part of the weight
03:15:16 <elliott> it involves bricks; brains
03:15:24 <shachaf> Good point.
03:15:27 <Phantom_Hoover> yes, the rest of the weight is bricks
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03:23:51 <Arc_Koen> if you run out of bricks
03:23:57 <Arc_Koen> and there are too many brains
03:24:03 <Arc_Koen> I'd be more than happy to eat one or two
03:24:36 <Phantom_Hoover> and that's how you get kuru
03:25:39 <Arc_Koen> is that a BTD?
03:25:49 <Arc_Koen> brain transmissible disease
03:27:20 <Bike> You get it from eating brains. Does that count?
03:27:42 <Arc_Koen> well i don't see what else you would have me do with brains, so yes
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03:38:09 <Fiora> I don't have the list of people to ping though
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03:38:42 <monqy> the list is sgeo (duh), shachaf (why else would he care about it so much?), and that's about it.
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03:41:04 <elliott> monqy: you forgot monqy
03:41:07 <elliott> Fiora: NEVER FORGET to ping monqy
03:41:39 <monqy> Fiora: I didn't forget myself, but that reminds me I did forget elliott
03:41:54 <Bike> just ping everybody in the channel to be safe.
03:41:57 <Bike> less racist that way anyhow
03:42:05 <elliott> Fiora: no monqy is lying. he's just shy. ping monqy. he's only saying me because he wants to be kind. i don't need kindness
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03:42:22 <shachaf> Fiora: I'm not on the list.
03:42:32 <Fiora> this is confusing
03:42:51 <zzo38> Do you need to make up a new list?
03:42:55 <Bike> elliot is a man and a half. ping him one and a half times.
03:43:02 <Fiora> are you calling him fat
03:43:04 <elliott> yes. ping elliot
03:43:05 <elliott> not elliott
03:43:08 <elliott> v. important
03:43:20 <elliott> (ps i am like the polar opposite of fat)
03:43:29 <Bike> of course there's actually an elliot on freenode.
03:43:38 <shachaf> elliott
03:43:41 <shachaf> Uh.
03:43:48 <shachaf> elliott?
03:44:03 <Bike> and no i was not calling him fat gosh
03:44:06 <Bike> just thick and chainsawful
03:44:09 <Fiora> I was teasing you bike
03:44:16 <Bike> !!????!
03:44:29 <Bike> I don't think I can deal with this new phase of Fiora, Master Troller.
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03:44:36 <shachaf> Whew.
03:44:39 <shachaf> Good riddance, I say.
03:44:46 <shachaf> (Bike reads the logs, right?)
03:45:00 <Fiora> :<
03:45:02 <elliott> @ask Bike u mad????????? (im sorry. im really sorry)
03:45:02 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
03:45:09 <elliott> @ask Bike i couldnt not please forgive me
03:45:09 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
03:45:30 <shachaf> Fiora is the same person as Bike as far as I'm aware.
03:45:36 <Fiora> biiike :<
03:45:50 <monqy> elliott...
03:45:53 <monqy> unforgivable
03:46:03 <monqy> you know the punishment for that sort of transgression!!!
03:46:05 <monqy> "the list"
03:46:06 <Fiora> I am not actually the same person <_<;
03:46:27 <elliott> monqy: dont you mean the privilege
03:46:30 <elliott> & honour
03:46:37 <shachaf> honor
03:46:40 <elliott> no
03:46:43 <shachaf> bwe speak american here
03:46:45 <elliott> `quote hono
03:46:47 <HackEgo> 25) <Deewiant> ehird: There is no h in "honour"
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03:47:16 <shachaf> elliott: i bet you think honor is all about u
03:47:21 <monqy> Bike: you should type in @clear-messages↵
03:47:23 <elliott> Bike: you can't just leave for two minutes
03:47:24 <elliott> weak
03:47:26 <elliott> go
03:47:33 <elliott> @clear-messages↵
03:47:34 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
03:47:35 <Fiora> nooo don't make him leave again
03:47:39 <elliott> agreed, type that in
03:47:41 <shachaf> Bike: do what monqy said
03:47:50 <shachaf> monqy++ # ↵
03:47:50 <Bike> @clear-messages↵
03:47:51 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
03:47:56 <shachaf> without the ↵
03:47:57 <Bike> ok what do I win
03:47:58 <elliott> no
03:47:58 <lambdabot> Bike: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
03:48:13 <shachaf> no!
03:48:16 <Bike> Well fuck, if you don't specify without the ↵ how am I supposed to know!
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03:48:54 <shachaf> monqy: did you learn indexed lenses yet
03:49:05 <monqy> which were those
03:49:08 <monqy> the dumb ones???????
03:49:14 <shachaf> yes
03:49:20 <monqy> wasnt i supposed to be learning semisymmetric lenses!!!
03:49:23 <shachaf> wait
03:49:28 <shachaf> didn't you
03:49:34 <monqy> :0
03:49:43 <shachaf> monqy: semisymmetric lenses are "in master" now
03:50:27 <shachaf> monqy: the best part about semisymmetric isos?
03:50:28 <monqy> i hear unsafecoerce is "in master" too
03:50:36 <Bike> @tell elliot fucking fuck goddamn fuck fuckdouche fuckfuckfuckertyfuck FUCK
03:50:36 <shachaf> you can "unsafe"coerce is
03:50:36 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
03:50:57 <monqy> "elliot"
03:51:10 <elliott> Bike: poor elliot
03:51:11 <Bike> We've already been over my feud with elliot.
03:51:12 <monqy> Bike: i told you to @clear-messages↵ but you didn't listen did you!!!
03:51:19 <Bike> I DID
03:51:19 <shachaf> Bike: That was just uncalled for.
03:51:24 <Bike> @clear-messages↵
03:51:25 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
03:51:27 <Bike> see!
03:51:28 <shachaf> we don't say "goddamn" in here!!!!!
03:51:39 <Bike> is "fuckerty" ok
03:51:42 <shachaf> that's blasphemous
04:08:57 <sgeo_> I was too busy hanging out with friends after graduating to do my job
04:13:28 <Fiora> and it was a one page update
04:13:30 <Fiora> with like 5 lines of text
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06:16:42 <shachaf> `run echo unsafePerformApocalypse | zalgo
06:16:44 <HackEgo> u̞n̐s̻a̹fͫe͓P̡e͟rͩf͓o͕rͣm͑A̹pͦo̠c̭a͇l̕y̓p̊s͟e͙ \ ̺
06:32:12 <oklofok> what is this sorcery
06:41:37 <oklofok> `run echo unsafePerformApocalypse | zalgo
06:41:39 <HackEgo> uͪnͅs̓a͞f̽e͏P͛ẻr̭f͍o̐r̛m̡A̶p̤òc̥a̛lͧy̡p̀ṣe̓ \ ͒
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08:08:59 <Fiora> sgeo_: update
08:09:19 <Bike> elliot: update
08:20:28 <elliott> thanks - elliot, my long-lost twousin
08:23:15 <fizzie> The illest elliot.
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10:42:31 <zzo38> Do you think you can predict the end of the world by the horoscope? I think it is possible, although you need actual observation too. I can explain how, in case you don't know.
10:46:14 <elliott> is the world ending
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10:46:29 <AnotherTest> Greetings
10:47:19 <zzo38> elliott: I don't think so. I explained what I think was actually happening with the Mayan calendar.
10:49:02 <zzo38> Did you agree with what my idea was?
10:49:36 <elliott> absolutely
10:49:43 <monqy> what was your idea ?
10:50:18 <elliott> that was my next question
10:50:52 <zzo38> About the similarity to the Y2K thinking everything would break?
10:51:43 <zzo38> Because, they didn't program the computer to go up to 2000, like the Mayans did not write their calendar all the way up to (probably because they didn't want to write forever, or something like that)
10:54:24 <AnotherTest> So the world will end on 19 January 2038?
10:55:14 <Nisstyre-laptop> zzo38: I think they made up some bogus religious reason for the cyclic calendar
10:55:24 <Nisstyre-laptop> probably the real reason is what you said
10:56:31 <fizzie> It seems that some piece of software has stopped including plaintext versions of emails any longer.
10:58:32 <fizzie> All the stuff I get from the university officialdom nowadays is a non-multipart message with a Content-type: text/html body that always has this short boilerplate prefix of http://sprunge.us/bNja before any content.
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11:02:44 <Deewiant> fizzie: I get multiparts with a text/plain version for ICS-internal stuff.
11:05:13 <fizzie> Deewiant: Okay, that might be still true. But most of the stuff I get from "Aalto" in general seems to be that kind of stuff.
11:06:05 <fizzie> (I use the Outlook Web App to respond to those; should perhaps check what it sends out.)
11:06:17 <Deewiant> fizzie: The latest "Aalto Info" (20.12.) was multipart and I don't think I really get any other general Aalto-stuff.
11:07:18 <fizzie> That's probably sent from some kind of a system. I meant more emails from people working in an administrative role.
11:07:58 <fizzie> Like I've gotten a couple of emails from a "Planning Officer / Student Services" recently; the latest was from where I quoted that mess.
11:08:00 <Deewiant> Right; I don't really get anything like that except for ICS, I think.
11:10:50 <fizzie> Deewiant: Also some messages from the ICS department HR coordinator (Stefan). Though this is a forward, so maybe I should blame the original author.
11:11:11 <fizzie> "Subject: FW: Terveystalo - Virtaa voimavararyhmästä Arabia - syksy 2012" of Aug 30; I don't know who all this was sent to.
11:15:35 <fizzie> "List price: $14.99; Price: $0.01; You save: $14.98 (100%)" Amazon certainly has some good deals.
11:18:17 <fizzie> "$0.01 + $4.99 shipping" oh.
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11:36:04 <Deewiant> fizzie: Also multipart.
11:37:21 <fizzie> Not my copy.
11:38:43 <fizzie> The "kevät 2012" version I got via staff@ics.hut.fi is, but the "syksy 2012" that's in my @aalto.fi address is not.
11:39:36 <Deewiant> You're on their HT-list.
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11:40:58 <fizzie> Heh, apparently they need a nickname for our new offices in the other building.
11:41:04 <fizzie> (I did mention our group is moving?)
11:41:28 <FreeFull> They should name them the cheese shop
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11:43:56 <Deewiant> fizzie: Oh, where?
11:44:05 <GreyKnight> well played Google: http://www.google.co.uk/logos/2012/end_of_the_mayan_calendar-993005-hp.jpg
11:44:06 <lambdabot> GreyKnight: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
11:45:10 <GreyKnight> hmph!
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11:55:29 <fizzie> Deewiant: To Aalto ELEC, Department of Signal Processing and Acoustics.
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11:56:05 <fizzie> Deewiant: Mikko Kurimo, our group leader, got a professorship from there, so we'll all follow him there.
11:56:40 <GreyKnight> <ais523> it's a pity the DS9K doesn't actually exist
11:56:46 <GreyKnight> Deep Space 9 Kompiler?
11:56:51 <fizzie> Death Station 9000.
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11:58:23 <fizzie> The acoustics lab people are spread out all around the building, so they've got these names for all the different locations where they have offices; there's Moscow (their original 2nd floor E wing place), Chechnya (below it), Siberia (far out in the I wing), and Ural (high up in 4th floor in the G wing).
11:58:32 <Deewiant> fizzie: Where's that?
11:58:45 <fizzie> Our new offices are 3rd floor in the I wing, immediately above Siberia.
11:58:52 <fizzie> In the "Sähkö" building.
11:59:02 <fizzie> "Some suggestions so far by the professors include: Upper Siberia, Vladivostok and Mongolia."
12:00:06 <GreyKnight> `addquote <fizzie> Out new offices are [...] immediately above Siberia
12:00:13 <HackEgo> 881) <fizzie> Out new offices are [...] immediately above Siberia
12:00:32 * oerjan swats GreyKnight for typoing while copying and pasting -----###
12:00:37 <Deewiant> GreyKnight: r*
12:00:43 <fizzie> Also .*
12:00:49 <fizzie> (Man, that looks like a regex.)
12:00:51 <GreyKnight> :-(
12:01:11 <GreyKnight> `revert
12:01:14 <HackEgo> Done.
12:01:51 <oerjan> it's past the solstice and the world's still here I WANT MY MONEY BACK DAMMIT
12:03:41 <fizzie> Gnerp. I need to do this travel claim, and the project selection drop-down box has 6169 entries.
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12:06:38 <GreyKnight> oerjan: The true Mayan apocalypse is the one in your heart
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12:08:03 * oerjan hits GreyKnight with the saucepan ===\__/
12:08:17 <GreyKnight> doing
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12:08:33 <greyknight> you bashed my capitals in :-(
12:09:17 <greyknight> hey the DS9K has a website: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/green/gfd34/art/
12:13:08 <oerjan> <olsner> but with a gun there would be no blood on your hands <-- i don't think that applies when you're fighting the person in the neighboring train seat hth
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12:15:04 <oerjan> <zzo38> What is your Dungeons&Dragons character's father's surname?
12:15:23 <oerjan> Nonexistent. James Nonexistent.
12:16:36 <GreyKnight> I don't have an ongoing game at the minute. I did but I was sick for a while and had to drop out
12:19:25 <oerjan> <Bike> square hertz is pretty useful for acceleration <-- if you accelerate too much, you hit the square, which hertz
12:20:10 <fizzie> oerjan: Do you measure the frequency of a square wave in square Hertz?
12:20:53 <oerjan> nah that's just a whole new dimension of pain
12:29:48 <oerjan> <shachaf> we don't say "goddamn" in here!!!!! <-- indeed it freaks out ais523
12:30:40 <GreyKnight> >:-(
12:31:49 <oerjan> `addquote <zzo38> Did you agree with what my idea was? <elliott> absolutely <monqy> what was your idea ? <elliott> that was my next question
12:31:52 <HackEgo> 881) <zzo38> Did you agree with what my idea was? <elliott> absolutely <monqy> what was your idea ? <elliott> that was my next question
12:32:07 <elliott> oerjan: happy non-apocalypse
12:32:25 <GreyKnight> seeing as it's the end of the world, I phoned the bank and told them to stick their mortage payments up their jacksie B-)
12:32:28 <GreyKnight> felt good
12:32:31 <oerjan> elliott: but i _needed_ an apocalypse D:
12:33:21 <oerjan> i blame the atheists and their anti-faith
12:33:32 <fizzie> GreyKnight: It's the end of the world and you feel fine?
12:33:39 <fizzie> How lyrical.
12:37:05 <elliott> oerjan: I am kind of underwhelmed that absolutely nothing happened here whatsoever
12:37:08 <elliott> not even riots
12:40:05 <oerjan> elliott: they're having riots in gothenburg, i hear. although they started earlier.
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12:45:12 <FreeFull> Is there a built in function that does foldl (>>) (head x) (tail x)
12:47:47 <fizzie> foldl f (head l) (tail l) is the same as foldl1 f l, isn't it?
12:48:41 <FreeFull> I think so
12:48:59 <oerjan> hm it seems that it's just an accident that the day of this calendar turnover is solstice, that's not the case for other ones
12:51:03 <GreyKnight> ISTR something about they didn't take leap days into account properly when converting to our calendar? So it's been and gone if so :-o
12:51:13 <oerjan> FreeFull: do you need the result of the final item? otherwise sequence_ will do. or you could do fmap last . sequence although that may leak memory
12:52:16 <fizzie> I also have heard that according to some people the proper calendar synchronization would make December 23rd the right day.
12:52:49 <oerjan> GreyKnight: from the section on the issue, it seems that there's a pretty strong consensus now but that there was a lot of argument before they reached it
12:52:58 <fizzie> "The date of 4 Ajaw 3 K'ank'in is usually correlated as 21 or 23 December 2012." (Wikipedia.)
12:53:16 * GreyKnight throws his hands up
12:53:30 <GreyKnight> /o\ arrgh
12:53:48 <oerjan> "Today, 12:30, Friday December 21, 2012 (UTC), in the Long Count is (GMT correlation)."
12:54:06 <oerjan> i think that's a piece of autochanging text in wikipedia
12:55:14 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Correlations_between_Western_calendars_and_the_Long_Count
12:57:01 <oerjan> FreeFull: dependent on the monad, you may want foldr rather than foldl there
12:58:16 <oerjan> foldr (>>) (return ()) x
12:58:16 <fizzie> foldm, which folds in the middle.
12:59:00 <shachaf> @src sequence_
12:59:00 <lambdabot> sequence_ ms = foldr (>>) (return ()) ms
12:59:11 <oerjan> fizzie: no, but monads differ in whether >> is strictest in the first or second argument
12:59:21 <shachaf> foldr (>>) is generally the way to go.
12:59:28 <shachaf> Monads want to be right-associated.
12:59:38 <oerjan> oh right that's just what it does
12:59:42 <oerjan> shachaf: NOT ALL
12:59:50 <shachaf> oerjan: YES THEY DO
13:00:02 <oerjan> Reader is better the other way, for example
13:00:09 <shachaf> It is?
13:00:14 <oerjan> and State can be.
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13:00:23 <shachaf> oerjan: Reader doesn't even have any effects.
13:00:33 <shachaf> So you pretty much want to right-associate it.
13:00:43 <shachaf> Because you say foo >>= (\x -> bar >>= (\y -> ...))
13:00:49 <shachaf> Well, I guess you don't *have* to say that.
13:00:58 <shachaf> oerjan: Anyway the real answer is to use Codensity.
13:01:00 <oerjan> shachaf: no you don't, that makes it unnecessarily strict
13:01:15 <GreyKnight> <shachaf> Monads want to be right-associated. <-- Don't anthropomorphise monads. They hate that.
13:01:15 <shachaf> Codensity: The Best Monad?
13:01:22 <shachaf> thanks GreyKnight
13:01:31 <GreyKnight> np
13:02:22 <FreeFull> > Just 1 >> Just 2
13:02:24 <lambdabot> Just 2
13:02:36 <FreeFull> > foldl (>>) (Just 1) [Just 2]
13:02:38 <lambdabot> Just 2
13:02:50 <FreeFull> oerjan: Does that look wrong to you
13:03:02 <FreeFull> > foldl (>>) (Just 1) [Just 2,Just3]
13:03:04 <GreyKnight> > foldr (>>) (Just 1) [Just 2]
13:03:04 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `Just3'
13:03:04 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant `Just' (imported ...
13:03:05 <FreeFull> > foldl (>>) (Just 1) [Just 2,Just 3]
13:03:06 <lambdabot> Just 1
13:03:07 <lambdabot> Just 3
13:03:12 <oerjan> no, also Maybe is definitely one of the right associating ones
13:03:44 <FreeFull> :t (>>)
13:03:45 <lambdabot> Monad m => m a -> m b -> m b
13:05:21 <oerjan> also what was said about foldl1
13:05:36 <oerjan> or foldr1
13:05:50 <shachaf> 1 stands for "the devil"
13:06:10 <oerjan> > foldr1 (>>) $ fmap Just [1..10]
13:06:12 <lambdabot> Just 10
13:06:56 <oerjan> mind you those are among those evil partial functions
13:07:21 <shachaf> oerjan: Did you know: scanl1 isn't evil?
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13:11:13 <oerjan> indeed
13:11:38 <oerjan> :t scanl1
13:11:39 <lambdabot> (a -> a -> a) -> [a] -> [a]
13:12:22 <shachaf> > scanl1 undefined undefined -- OR IS IT?
13:12:24 <lambdabot> *Exception: Prelude.undefined
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13:23:28 <GreyKnight> `quote
13:23:30 <HackEgo> 206) <oklopol> hey speaking of young, some kinds asked me to buy some tobacco for them and i did, and then they were all likd "wow that guy's coool" when i told them i don't need their money
13:23:43 <GreyKnight> `quote
13:23:44 <HackEgo> 70) [Warrigal] `addquote <Dylan> hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows <Lawlabee> 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :(
13:23:45 <GreyKnight> `quote
13:23:46 <HackEgo> 614) <oerjan> elliott: it occurs to me that `? welcome is atypical: its information is actually true.
13:23:46 <GreyKnight> `quote
13:23:48 <GreyKnight> `quote
13:23:48 <HackEgo> 84) <vadim> it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone
13:23:49 <HackEgo> 27) <ehird> pikhq: A lunar nation is totally pointless. <fungebob> ehird: consider low-gravity porn <ehird> fungebob: OK. Now I'm convinced.
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13:43:37 <FreeFull> > scanl1 (\x y -> y) [1,2,3]
13:43:38 <lambdabot> [1,2,3]
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13:49:29 <fizzie> But are you supposed to call (\x y -> y) "const id" or "flip const", that's the question.
13:49:45 <fizzie> @pl flip const
13:49:45 <lambdabot> const id
13:49:56 <fizzie> lambdabot: That's just *your* opinion, man.
13:51:11 <elliott> I prefer const id except when I don't
13:51:34 <Jafet> tsnoc
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13:54:41 <oerjan> :t curry snd
13:54:43 <lambdabot> a -> c -> c
13:54:46 <oerjan> yw
13:55:23 <fizzie> For the discerning (a -> b -> b)'er.
13:55:45 <GreyKnight> `rng const_id flip_const
13:55:46 <HackEgo> const_id
13:55:58 <fizzie> :t curry wurst
13:55:59 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `wurst'
13:57:05 <oerjan> > return ask 1 2
13:57:07 <lambdabot> 2
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14:32:28 <FreeFull> :t let wurst a b = b in curry wurst
14:32:29 <lambdabot> a -> b -> t -> t
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14:36:58 <Taneb> That is the wurst function I have ever seen
14:53:42 <boily> good end of the world!
14:58:52 <Taneb> It certainly is the end of the world
14:58:55 <Taneb> I've smoked a cigar
15:28:10 <boily> going to scotch myself when I'll get back home.
15:30:39 <Taneb> ...is Korea really known as the land of the morning calm?
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16:11:26 <boily> Taneb: it comes from the Joseon (朝鮮) Dynasty, which can be interpreted as "Fresh Morning".
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16:17:48 <FreeFull> I wonder how much slower let x y = (10^y - 1) `div` 9 in x 1000 is over let x y = read (take y $ repeat '1') :: Integer in x 1000
16:18:03 <FreeFull> Assuming it is actually slower
16:18:30 <Taneb> > let x y = (10^y - 1) `div` 9 in x 1000
16:18:33 <lambdabot> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
16:18:48 <FreeFull> Taneb: It prints 1000 1s
16:18:57 <Taneb> > let x y = read (replicate y '1') :: Integer in x 1000
16:18:59 <lambdabot> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
16:19:23 <FreeFull> Reading in the string does seem faster
16:20:29 <Taneb> > let x y = foldl' (\acc c -> 10 * acc + toInteger (digitToInt c)) (replicate y '1') in x 1000
16:20:31 <lambdabot> Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Integer.Type.Integer'
16:20:31 <lambdabot> with a...
16:20:52 <Taneb> > let x y = foldl' (\acc c -> 10 * acc + toInteger (digitToInt c)) 0 (replicate y '1') in x 1000
16:20:54 <lambdabot> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
16:21:22 <Taneb> > let x y = foldl' (\acc c -> 10 * acc + c) 0 (replicate y 1) in x 1000
16:21:24 <lambdabot> 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
16:21:37 <Taneb> That's probably the quickest
16:21:44 <Taneb> That I can think of
16:22:00 <Jafet> That's the slowest
16:23:28 <Taneb> It's also easily extendable to other bases
16:25:18 <Taneb> > let x y = foldl' (\acc c -> 16 * acc + c) 0 (replicate y 1) in showHex (x 1000) ""
16:25:20 <lambdabot> "11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
16:25:29 <Taneb> Now I shall leave
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16:34:47 <Jafet> > replicate 1000 '1'
16:34:49 <lambdabot> "11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111...
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18:00:14 <Vorpal> Heh, someone ported that vMac emulator to Android.
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18:20:29 <GreyKnight> @tell zzo38 another angular unit is the mil (1/6400 of a revolution)
18:20:29 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:28:01 <GreyKnight> `quote
18:28:03 <GreyKnight> `quote
18:28:03 <HackEgo> 162) <fizzie> I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities.
18:28:04 <GreyKnight> `quote
18:28:05 <HackEgo> 584) <shachaf> Real Tar is GNU tar. <shachaf> You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough.
18:28:06 <GreyKnight> `quote
18:28:06 <HackEgo> 134) <alise> I love logic, especially the part where it makes no sense.
18:28:07 <GreyKnight> `quote
18:28:08 <HackEgo> 57) <oklopol> if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has
18:28:09 <HackEgo> 233) <ais523> OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension
18:28:13 <shachaf> 584 imo
18:28:35 <GreyKnight> no, 584 is trufax
18:28:57 <GreyKnight> also if a GNU tar feature doesn't make you feel superior to others then you should file a bug report, it was probably unintentional
18:29:02 <shachaf> `quote
18:29:03 <shachaf> `quote
18:29:03 <shachaf> `quote
18:29:03 <shachaf> `quote
18:29:03 <shachaf> `quote
18:29:05 <HackEgo> 659) <oklopol> why not just give the gays their own state so people could finally pray in peace
18:29:07 <HackEgo> 151) <catseye> i like the feeling of freedom you get driving a bus
18:29:07 <HackEgo> 651) <itidus21> myndzi\: ok so one of the nastiest puzzles i suppose is... you're on death row.. you don't want to die.
18:29:07 <HackEgo> 710) <itidus21> ok in other words, its a lot easier to reason about 2^43112609-1 apples by using the text "2^43112609-1" than it is to actually produce 2^43112609-1 apples
18:29:07 <HackEgo> 329) <zzo38> I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand.
18:29:10 <GreyKnight> s/tar/anything/
18:29:27 <GreyKnight> I only wanted to read a few
18:29:35 <GreyKnight> there are too many, put some back
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19:22:38 <oerjan> `addquote <GreyKnight> also if a GNU tar feature doesn't make you feel superior to others then you should file a bug report, it was probably unintentional
19:22:43 <HackEgo> 882) <GreyKnight> also if a GNU tar feature doesn't make you feel superior to others then you should file a bug report, it was probably unintentional
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19:30:42 <oerjan> `welcome Freyr
19:30:44 <HackEgo> Freyr: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
19:31:20 <Freyr> hi
19:31:46 <oerjan> hi, it's a bit quiet here right now
19:36:04 <GreyKnight> bananas!
19:36:53 <oerjan> mangos!
19:36:59 <boily> kiwifruit!
19:37:50 <boily> is Taneb back, or is someone here tanebly near? I think I now understand the purpose of his korean question, with nostradamus and all.
19:39:54 <oerjan> elliott is tanebly near hth
19:40:11 <oerjan> (although with a strong policy of never meeting, that may not help much)
19:40:46 <boily> @tell taneb bananas, mangos, kiwifruit, korean, nostradamus.
19:40:47 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:41:08 <boily> (the fruits will help him to recall the context. plenty of vitamins for a properly working memory!)
19:41:33 <oerjan> wit a mind
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21:15:16 <zzo38> In the Dungeons&Dragons game I have now advanced an experience level. Do you have ideas?
21:15:16 <lambdabot> zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
21:15:20 <zzo38> ?messages
21:15:20 <lambdabot> GreyKnight said 2h 54m 51s ago: another angular unit is the mil (1/6400 of a revolution)
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21:15:38 <zzo38> O, OK, now I know of more angular unit. I didn't know that one before.
21:15:49 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you know this type?
21:15:59 <shachaf> newtype Forget r a b = Forget { unForget :: a -> r }
21:16:36 <zzo38> shachaf: I have not heard or read of that or thought about it before.
21:17:04 <shachaf> zzo38: How about Profunctor?
21:17:10 <zzo38> No.
21:25:48 <kmc> "Police responded to a report of a man posing as a Cambridge Water Department employee... The man reportedly offered the resident a 50 percent rebate on his water bill but insisted on a $10 advance for the processing fee."
21:35:58 <oerjan> hey, it's just stupidity tax!
21:37:38 * oerjan owes heaps of that
21:38:14 <kmc> heh
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22:11:24 <Phantom_Hoover> could just be that he thought it was too pathetic to be a scam
22:14:39 <kmc> yeah
22:15:03 <quintopia> :(
22:15:45 <kmc> sometimes muggings start with scam attempts and then it's like 'ok well mr. knifey can confirm my story so there'
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22:17:31 <quintopia> that's why you should always call someone on their scam by pulling a gun on them first
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