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00:00:00 <Bike> this...
00:00:10 <GreyKnight> Bike: did I just blow your mind
00:00:17 <monqy> Imagine we are smoking a bong has a MPE for these vitamin bong
00:00:17 <monqy> powders. Pretend you are smoking this dust in a pipe, the
00:00:17 <monqy> formula for this action is ElectPulse(Metabolism(MPE)) when
00:00:17 <monqy> we fake we are smoking a pipe we ElectPulse(x) and when we
00:00:17 <monqy> know what we are smoking we create gelatin(x) and the effect
00:00:19 <monqy> on our behavior is staggering.
00:00:27 <nooodl> Bike: couple of minutes, then it becomes a rickroll
00:00:35 <Bike> this is even weirder than the time i saw terminator 2 as a gif
00:00:53 <monqy> Baby Blue Dust(x) = Found youth.
00:01:01 <monqy> Off White Dust(x) = Fertile dreams.
00:01:07 <monqy> Bright Green Dust(x) = Know all.
00:01:07 <monqy> Light Blue Dust(x) = Animal romance.
00:01:15 <monqy> nooodl how did you find this
00:01:19 <kmc> "We use the gelatin(x) function to mean chemical gelatin."
00:01:22 <kmc> ok, seems reasonable
00:01:24 <kmc> "This substance called Chemical Gelatin is the process the brain uses to transform meaning of words into chemicals."
00:01:28 <nooodl> monqy: /prog/
00:01:40 <GreyKnight> kmc: SUDDEN LEFT TURN INTO CRAZYLAND
00:01:47 <nooodl> it's a world4ch textboard and well, the worst people on earth frequent it
00:01:53 <nooodl> but sometimes you run into comedy gold like this
00:02:00 <monqy> itym true beauty
00:02:00 <nooodl> (tdavis posts on /prog/ sometimes)
00:02:02 <Bike> it's more like a continuous rocket thrust through crazyland, greyknight
00:03:15 <kmc> #begin LastWish(x){
00:03:17 <kmc> TARDIS(TransReverie(gelatin(DoneState(x))))
00:03:28 <nooodl> i should keep track of all the good prog threads
00:03:28 <GreyKnight> RE: SparrowOS.BMP: I like how (a) .Z files use a custom compression format not supported by any other OS ever, and (b) the text file describing how to deal with them under Windows is itself a .Z
00:03:42 <kmc> ok i think i need to add "or poetry" to my list of possibilities
00:03:45 <nooodl> (i'd say about 95% of them are bad, 3% meh, 2% good)
00:03:48 <Bike> "good prog threads"
00:04:07 <kmc> at least for "WPP8: WORM++ PART 8 BUNDLES OF PROGRAMS" which seems to be a kind of standard library
00:04:14 <Bike> kmc: he has poetry on his tripod site and his facebook and/or wherever people were stocking him to
00:04:32 <Bike> stalking.
00:04:49 <elliott> i used to read /prog/ in like uh
00:04:55 <elliott> many years ago
00:04:58 <nooodl> Bike: well, worm.txt was posted in one thead so obviously there are good /prog/ threads
00:05:00 <monqy> i've never read /prog/
00:05:02 <GreyKnight> Bike: your speech transcriber is showing hth
00:05:03 <elliott> (then i stopped because it became terrible rather than just really bad)
00:05:39 <kmc> THE 8 MAIN CAUSES OF DEATH
00:05:41 <nooodl> elliott: depending on when you stopped reading it's now either "worse than terrible" or "a lot worse than terrible"
00:05:42 <kmc> 07= Huge balls of confusing horror makes you laugh to death.
00:05:59 <GreyKnight> kmc: that's not funny, my granda died that way >:-(
00:06:10 <kmc> hehe, huge balls
00:07:19 <GreyKnight> wait why isn't .Z-ness just a file attribute
00:07:53 <GreyKnight> recycle the archive bit if needs be, not like anybody ever uses it :-U
00:15:52 <GreyKnight> "You probably know that arrogance, in computer science, is measured in nanodijkstras." -- Alan Kay
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00:33:41 <GreyKnight> I have exactly 256 browser tabs
00:35:10 <FreeFull> That's not many
00:35:25 <FreeFull> I've had over 700 open before
00:36:01 <asiekierka> nooodl: ohai
00:36:30 <GreyKnight> links on http://esolangs.org/wiki/4DL are dead :-(
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00:42:03 <greyooze> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Headache "You can only work with one stack at a time." Very first command listed operates on both stacks at the same time.
00:42:10 <greyooze> -_-
00:42:30 <greyooze> (so do the second and fourth)
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00:43:15 <GreyKnight> and fifth, and sixth, and tenth, and eleventh...
00:44:10 <Bike> it says /you/ can only work with one stack at a time, says nothing about the language itself!!!
00:44:24 <FreeFull> There should be a language where you can only operate on all five stacks at the same time
00:44:51 <kmc> Category:Shameful
00:45:17 <Bike> "Hello World (Branchless)" a great achievement for a hello world
00:45:40 <Bike> it specifies "GNU Cat" as if it's going to have all the options
00:47:07 <Bike> http://www.sparrowos.com/Wb/Doc/TrivialSolutions.html#l1 oh my
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00:48:17 <Bike> «Music is done with an elegant one-voice notation.» oh now that ain't cool
00:48:42 <kmc> 40+ year old person who still lists their SAT score
00:48:45 <kmc> and it isn't 1600
00:49:34 <Bike> oh he has a subreddit
00:49:53 <Bike> «SparrowOS V1.01 Released: Compiler has built-in "result" variable similar to "this" in C++»
00:49:56 <oerjan> GreyKnight: try the 4DL page again now :)
00:49:58 <kmc> is there a category on the wiki for esolangs that have syntax like normal programming languages?
00:50:13 <Bike> http://www.reddit.com/r/SparrowOS/comments/11kmm9/sparrowos_v101_released_compiler_has_builtin/ ohhhh myyyyy
00:50:14 <kmc> or anything but the worn out "every character is a command like brainfuck"
00:50:19 <nortti> have you seen gnu hello?
00:50:27 <GreyKnight> "PS/2 keyboard/mouse is used instead of USB, also more compatible." what
00:50:51 <Bike> kmc: butbut parsing is hard :'(
00:50:53 <Taneb> kmc, I think that's what people use "high level" for
00:50:59 <kmc> sigh
00:51:08 <kmc> Bike: i think that's not it even
00:51:10 <Bike> i'm honestly pretty lost on what this has to do with C++
00:51:22 <Bike> other than that... it's a reserved word, i guess?
00:51:37 <GreyKnight> http://www.sparrowos.com/Wb/Doc/Acknowledgements.html#l1 <-- wait, first paragraph implies this is a commercial product
00:51:42 <ais523> kmc: "every character is a command" is good for when you don't want parsers to get in the way
00:52:40 <Bike> GreyKnight: well, you can download it free.
00:52:47 <Bike> maybe it's shareware, in true DOS fashion.
00:53:31 <Bike> «God told me to stick with 640x480x16 color and kept me from blindly making child windows like Windows. Instead, I made one window per task with no child windows. He also guided my progress, very obviously.» elliott's right, this is worrying...
00:53:46 <elliott> Bike: thats not nearly the most worrying thing hes said by a long way
00:54:00 <Bike> i'm sure
00:54:11 <kmc> yeah i received similar insights when i was working on that boot sector demo
00:54:18 <elliott> he liked to post random words his program generated "from god" as reddit comments and also had "CIA is watching me"-style rants on twitter
00:54:25 <elliott> er as in streams of random words
00:54:54 <GreyKnight> it does exactly what he claims, the "most trivial solution"
00:55:16 <elliott> Bike: i actually like that "result" thing, it is sort of declarative!
00:55:24 <elliott> okay i only kind of like it
00:55:31 <GreyKnight> whether or not that is a good idea is an exercise for the reader :-P
00:56:31 <Bike> elliott: i think algol w did something like it? you assigned to a variable with the name of the function, and that'd be the value returned
00:56:52 <ais523> Bike: some BASICs do that
00:56:53 <GreyKnight> some BASICs do that too
00:57:00 * GreyKnight glares at ais523
00:57:04 <Bike> well, algol 60, apparently. not like i know algol beyond knuth
00:57:10 <elliott> Bike: pascal does that i think
00:58:56 <GreyKnight> "Buttons are widgets, not child windows." <-- how innovative!
01:01:08 <ais523> GreyKnight: indeed
01:01:15 <ais523> they're windows in Windows, or at least always used to be
01:02:04 <Bike> thank god God was there to steer him right.
01:04:14 <GreyKnight> ais523: wait what
01:04:24 <ais523> GreyKnight: really
01:04:35 <ais523> some sort of button window class
01:04:48 <GreyKnight> what
01:04:49 <GreyKnight> what
01:05:00 <Bike> um, i thought buttons and things were sometimes subwindows in X too.
01:05:17 <GreyKnight> but but why
01:05:35 <Bike> why not?
01:06:02 <Bike> a window is just a probably-box-shaped thing to render to
01:06:20 <kmc> funny how the internet is a small place sometimes
01:07:04 <GreyKnight> so wait are all widgets subwindows in Windows?
01:07:08 <kmc> i read an article critiquing the world health organization's metrics for parasite treatment programs
01:07:15 <kmc> and the first comment is by gwern and mentions haskell
01:07:43 <Bike> what article is that? (and what could that possibly have to do with haskell)
01:07:45 <GreyKnight> if so that OS's name just got a whole lot more appropriate
01:07:45 <GreyKnight> "it's windows all the way down"
01:08:25 <kmc> http://blog.givewell.org/2011/09/29/errors-in-dcp2-cost-effectiveness-estimate-for-deworming/
01:08:37 <kmc> the connection between the two is "excel sucks"
01:08:43 <kmc> ok i lied when i said i read this article
01:08:53 <Bike> so how'd you get to it?
01:09:07 <kmc> more like i spent 5 seconds looking at it and then trusted the smart people at givewell to do their jobs so i don't have to
01:09:29 <kmc> got to it by following links from givewell's writeup of Schistosomiasis Control Initiative which is their #3 charity
01:09:48 <Bike> "That spreadsheet contains five separate errors that, when corrected, shift the estimated cost effectiveness of deworming from $3.41 to $326.43." ah, accounting
01:10:11 <GreyKnight> Lies, damned lies, and accountancy
01:10:47 <Bike> hm, did i make a function to get me a tree of x windows
01:12:32 <elliott> i think i dislike givewell for something but i forget what entirely
01:12:55 <Bike> yeah i don't remember enough X to do this again do I
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01:14:16 <greyooze> `addquote <kmc> ok i lied when i said i read this article
01:14:19 <HackEgo> 886) <kmc> ok i lied when i said i read this article
01:14:31 <greyooze> foo
01:14:33 <kmc> elliott: oh if you find out, let me know
01:14:42 <Bike> so what is givewell
01:14:57 <elliott> http://www.givewell.org/
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01:15:02 <Bike> oh, charity accuracy gizmo
01:15:04 <elliott> alternatively read the sidebar kmc linked
01:15:08 <elliott> not really accuracy
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01:15:19 <Bike> charity suckiness gizmo
01:15:19 <elliott> they recommend charities based on analyses
01:15:26 <kmc> they try to determine the best few charities on a strict utilitarian basis
01:15:33 <kmc> so it's not just about whether the charities are lying or whatever
01:15:41 <kmc> but also about how much good they do per dollar
01:15:44 <kmc> and whether they can use more money
01:15:51 <Bike> right
01:16:04 <Bike> so they probably rate the go around taking worms out of people's feet charity higher than TOMS
01:16:12 <kmc> what's TOMS
01:16:40 <Bike> they're a shoe company. «When Toms sells a pair of shoes a pair of shoes is given to an impoverished child, and when Toms sells a pair of eyewear, part of the profit is used to save or restore the eyesight for people in developing countries.»
01:16:52 <elliott> topiary orgasm mechanisation service
01:16:56 <elliott> they help trees breed
01:17:12 <Bike> they've been criticized for destroying economies and bla bla
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01:17:23 <elliott> but what about the trees
01:17:29 <Bike> fuck trees.
01:18:12 <GreyKnight> Bike: I'd think splinters would be a problem...
01:18:35 <Bike> i think worms usually hit people because they walk in shallow water
01:18:44 <Bike> shallow and stagnant and all, i mean
01:21:02 <kmc> the world's wealthiest non-profit foundation is IKEA
01:21:11 <kmc> that's the stupid world we live in
01:21:29 <Bike> it... what? it is?
01:21:37 <elliott> Bike: tax evasion etc.
01:21:53 <Bike> nice
01:22:12 <kmc> IKEA is largely owned by a Dutch non-profit dedicated "to promote and support innovation in the field of architectural and interior design"
01:22:16 <elliott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IKEA#Corporate_structure
01:22:17 <Bike> pfff
01:22:25 <Bike> also when i googled it the first thing i got were some news articles about a monkey
01:22:34 <kmc> which pays salaries and gives "grants" to ikea designers and what-not
01:22:42 <kmc> i think this has actually backfired on them though
01:22:49 <kmc> because they can't exfiltrate money quickly enough
01:22:58 <Bike> ...wow, what the fuck is this
01:23:10 <Bike> "The ownership of Inter IKEA Systems is exceedingly complicated and, ultimately, uncertain."
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01:24:04 <Bike> «In the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China, IKEA Beijing sold an alligator toy for 40 yuan (US$5.83, €3.70) with all income going to the children in the earthquake struck area» hooray
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01:24:28 <Taneb> SO... nobody knows who owns IKEA
01:24:44 <Bike> I have a theory. I think it's those rich guys.
01:24:50 <elliott> yes I like how it basically says "IKEA is owned by uh... someone"
01:25:00 <elliott> "it's complicated"
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01:25:31 <GreyKnight> "but they're totally philanthropists"
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01:35:12 <kmc> obviously IKEA is owned by Majestic-12
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01:46:27 <kmc> the beijing - guangzhou high speed rail line opened today
01:46:31 <kmc> longest high speed line in the world
01:48:12 <Bike> we need trans-siberian maglev
01:48:54 <nortti> why?
01:49:55 <kmc> there is a planned 300km+ maglev line in Japan
01:49:56 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%AB%C5%8D_Shinkansen
01:50:02 <Bike> uh, so that we can cross the wastes at three hundred miles an hour, duh?
01:50:18 <kmc> it incorporates the JR-Maglev test track :D
01:50:53 <Bike> wow, a forty year old maglev track?
01:51:01 <elliott> japan is in the future
01:51:13 <Bike> fifty years, then.
01:51:20 <elliott> "JR Central aims to begin commercial service between Tokyo and Nagoya in 2027, with the Nagoya-Osaka section to be completed in 2045."
01:51:23 <elliott> nice long-term goals
01:51:45 <elliott> "On November 16, 2004, it also set a world record for two trains passing each other at a combined speed of 1,026 km/h (638 mph)."
01:51:50 <elliott> if two trains pass each other at the speed of light...
01:51:54 <Bike> that sounds terrifying
01:52:24 <elliott> i think once the trains get to a certain speed you might actually make people feel more comfortable by removing the windows
01:53:20 <Bike> isn't that what they did with conchord jets, or was that just technical limitations
01:53:46 <elliott> no idea
01:53:53 <elliott> concorde isn't it
01:54:13 <Bike> spelling is just the man's way of putting us down, man.
01:55:54 <kmc> nothing to see up there though
01:56:46 <kmc> "Concorde was equipped with smaller windows to reduce the rate of loss in the event of a breach"
01:56:56 <Bike> reassuring!
01:56:58 <Jafet> This is why Neo didn't fight the establishment in japan
01:57:39 <kmc> sucks that they cancelled the concorde after one crash
01:57:54 <elliott> Reflecting the treaty between the French and British governments which led to Concorde's construction, the name Concorde is from the French word concorde (IPA: [kɔ̃kɔʁd]), which has an English equivalent, concord. Both words mean agreement, harmony or union.
01:58:00 <elliott> The aircraft was initially referred to in the UK as Concorde, with the French spelling, but was officially changed to Concord by Harold Macmillan in response to a perceived slight by Charles de Gaulle.[12]
01:58:04 <elliott> great concord there
01:58:04 <Jafet> They cancelled it because it didn't make money
01:58:15 <elliott> kmc: wikipedia lists several other factors
01:58:21 <elliott> ...it also says it was profitable :p
01:58:22 <kmc> sure, the accident was a convenient excuse
01:58:26 <kmc> still it was a major factor
01:58:44 <elliott> In 1967, at the French roll-out in Toulouse the British Government Minister for Technology, Tony Benn, announced that he would change the spelling back to Concorde.[12] This created a nationalist uproar that died down when Benn stated that the suffixed ⟨e⟩ represented "Excellence, England, Europe and Entente (Cordiale)."
01:58:49 <elliott> jesus christ
01:58:50 <Bike> degaulle just pisses everyone off, doesn't he
01:59:01 <Bike> pfffff
01:59:05 <kmc> that's fantastic
01:59:14 <elliott> the 60s: what??? what happened
01:59:41 <elliott> I like the idea of a "Europe" suffix being considered a positive nationalist thing in Britain
01:59:49 <Jafet> I think it was profitable until they had to pay the designers
02:00:11 <Jafet> Yes, Britain and Europe are two distinct nations
02:00:28 <kmc> two countries separated by the english channel
02:00:52 <Jafet> More than BBC separates these feuding families
02:01:16 <kmc> meanwhile the 747 has crashed like 50 times
02:01:39 <GreyKnight> Clubs, bills, and partisans! Strike! Beat them down!
02:02:23 <kmc> i think concorde still has one of the best safety rates per hour flown, but i'm not sure
02:02:43 <Jafet> That's mainly because everyone, including idiots, use 747s
02:03:06 <kmc> possibly related to the fact that it didn't fly with Crazy Holiday Discount Airlines
02:03:18 <Jafet> Also cars have crashed a billion times or so
02:04:50 <Bike> best billion out of two billion and one, i say
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02:50:05 <DH____> Europe isn't a nation, just as NATO isn't a nation...
02:51:01 <elliott> thanks for the info I had no idea!
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02:51:55 <kmc> the trams in tallinn will be free starting in 2013
02:52:04 * DH____ backs quietly into a corner in shame...
02:56:24 <GreyKnight> i am the king of europe you are rong >:-(
03:02:06 <kmc> Europe isn't a nation, just as Asia isn't a nation...
03:02:16 <kmc> Europe ≠ the EU
03:03:07 <kmc> proof: the EU has a higher topological genus than Europe
03:03:43 <Fiora> it has more holes?
03:03:51 <kmc> yep
03:04:04 <GreyKnight> what are the holes currently anyway
03:04:10 <kmc> switzerland
03:04:17 <kmc> andorra
03:07:29 <kmc> monaco, vatican city, san marino
03:07:45 <kmc> liechtenstein
03:09:21 <kmc> oh but monaco is on the coast
03:09:48 * kmc has low ranks in "where is monaco"
03:10:05 <Bike> i think everything i've learned about monaco is from Our Dumb World
03:10:55 <Jafet> kmc should play europe tetris
03:12:56 <Fiora> huh, monaco is the densest country, even higher than singapore
03:13:52 <Bike> what about papal density, though
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03:14:50 <elliott> `quote papal density
03:14:52 <ion> paypal
03:14:53 <HackEgo> 708) <fizzie> Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.)
03:14:57 <elliott> I guess Bike was probably referencing that
03:15:05 <elliott> wait I thought of a dumb joke
03:15:13 <elliott> Fiora: yeah those singaporeans are really dense hah hah
03:15:22 <elliott> (the joke is it also means dumb)
03:15:38 <ion> > cycle "HA"
03:15:39 <elliott> glad to waste your time, no problem, any time (ha I repeated the word "time")
03:16:16 <Bike> it's good to know what i'm referencing.
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03:20:17 <kmc> 1.21 jiggapopes
03:20:26 <kmc> @pontifex lol wtf #fail
03:20:27 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
03:21:28 <GreyKnight> oh Switzerland still isn't in Europe
03:21:36 <GreyKnight> er the EU
03:22:14 <Bike> is there any expectation that they will be any time soon?
03:22:25 <Bike> because i don't see why they'd join
03:22:41 <Fiora> I think they just don't want to share their chocolate
03:22:48 <Fiora> which is a legit excuse
03:23:03 <Bike> so legit.
03:23:24 <elliott> 2 legit 2, um, join
03:23:44 <Jafet> Unlike Belgians, who SOLD OUT
03:23:50 <GreyKnight> Bike: peer pressure maybe?
03:24:15 <Bike> man the swiss didn't join anyone when they were being bombed by germans, they just ain't give a damn
03:24:17 <ais523> the swiss don't join any organization like that ever
03:24:23 <ais523> it's one of the things they're famous for
03:24:30 <Bike> 2 legit 2... nazi... something...
03:25:22 <Jafet> The swiss don't really have peers
03:25:54 <Jafet> The british used to, which explains their capitulation
03:26:06 <Bike> and i suppose the vatican's guards are swiss, too. maybe all the holes have a secret disorganization organization.
03:27:17 <GreyKnight> Well, Vatican City remains a hole because it's historically a very holey place B-)
03:27:47 <Fiora> the puuunnnsss
03:27:59 <Jafet> Camera cuts to skyline of the see
03:28:11 <Bike> no, no, someone needs to come up with one about swiss cheese first.
03:28:20 <Fiora> that's too obvious though!
03:28:43 <Bike> if it was obvious why hasn't it been made? checkmate atheists.
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03:39:00 <kmc> they hella collaborated with the nazis though
03:39:13 <kmc> nazis found it convenient to have banks in an ostensibly neutral country...
03:39:30 <hagb4rd> bike: i never knew that the nazis bombed swiss? are you sure?
03:39:39 <hagb4rd> yea
03:39:53 <Bike> hagb4rd: yes, by accident
03:40:10 <Bike> and they planned to take it over eventually because swiss people are german, but, you know, nazi plans
03:40:39 <hagb4rd> do you have a source
03:40:45 <hagb4rd> for this information?
03:40:56 <Bike> no, but wikipedia does! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_of_Switzerland_in_World_War_II
03:41:04 <hagb4rd> thanks
03:41:22 <Bike> oh wow there weren't any nazi ones
03:41:23 <Bike> derp
03:41:40 <elliott> looks like the nazis are even worse at executing their plans than you thought Bike
03:41:53 <Bike> quite
03:42:05 <hagb4rd> mssing the target by just a few countries :P
03:42:19 <Bike> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum oh, this is what i was thinking of
03:42:21 <hagb4rd> shit happens
03:42:22 <elliott> "Switzerland was a neutral country during World War II but adjacent to and at times completely surrounded by Axis countries. On several occasions Allied bombing raids hit targets in Switzerland resulting in fatalities and property damage."
03:42:26 <elliott> "whoops, sorry, missed"
03:42:52 <Bike> "a pimple on the face of europe", oh man
03:43:22 <Bike> elliott: it turns out that apparently when you bomb people at night and just invented radar you kind of have no damn idea where you are
03:44:12 <hagb4rd> +you're head is full of pervitin (methyl-amphetamine)
03:44:39 <elliott> "While Allied forces explained the causes of violations as navigation errors, equipment failure, weather conditions, and pilots’ errors, in Switzerland fear was expressed that some neutrality violations were intended to exert pressure on the country to end its economic cooperation with Nazi Germany."
03:44:44 <elliott> "neutrality violations"
03:44:46 <Bike> "whoops, sorry, missed. you know, have you ever really looked at your hands?"
03:44:54 <elliott> the whole structure we build up around bombing the fuck out of people is amazing to me
03:45:10 <Bike> i think you mean Strategic Bombing
03:45:15 <elliott> "sorry, we can't murder people in switzerland. they said they didn't want it"
03:45:45 <Bike> how many people died, anyway. 21, from the article?
03:45:48 <hagb4rd> well..communication is everything
03:46:13 <Bike> switzerland you wuss, russia lost like four billion
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03:46:24 <elliott> well 21 people is like half of switzerland's population
03:47:02 <elliott> okay it's actually 0.0002625%
03:47:04 <elliott> close enough
03:47:09 <Bike> i guess the other half were /really/ into selling nazis things if they overlooked the bombing then
03:47:27 <elliott> well all the swiss do is spend lots of money
03:47:28 <elliott> and shoot each other
03:47:37 <elliott> and have a flag that's the wrong fucking shape
03:47:42 <hagb4rd> lol
03:47:48 <Bike> nepal does too... is it a mountain thing
03:47:53 <Bike> also: which kind is giger
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03:49:09 <elliott> look i just write the theories
03:49:13 <elliott> the evidence-gathering is up to you
03:49:16 <Bike> hm, bhutan's is the right shape, but there's a pretty kitschy dragon on it
03:49:50 <elliott> i guess they are into direct democracy because you can't really sustain a government with 42 people
03:50:03 <Bike> i... can't think of any other mountain countries? at least, ones that are tiny
03:50:14 <elliott> Bike: wtf are you talking about, that dragon is metal as hell
03:50:53 <Bike> i must respectfully disagree, and furthermore postulate that you are in fact fucked
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03:51:40 <Bike> oh jesus is it carrying fruit
03:52:24 <elliott> are you going to tell a dragon it can't fucking carry fruit
03:52:34 <elliott> look
03:52:36 <elliott> maybe it likes fruit
03:52:37 <elliott> ok
03:52:57 <Bike> ok apparently their anthem is "The Thunder Dragon Kingdom"
03:53:05 <Bike> i guess that makes up for the fruit
03:53:20 <hagb4rd> o yes fruits.. i need fruits
03:53:34 <Bike> oh shit it has an official dance
03:53:37 * hagb4rd fears scorvy
03:53:40 <Bike> every anthem should have a dance.
03:53:47 <Bike> eat an orange, ciel.
03:54:31 <kmc> switzerland is also into not letting women vote
03:55:36 <elliott> well if you get bombed and only have 21 people left
03:55:40 <elliott> it's possible none of them are women
03:55:50 <elliott> like maybe the bomb managed to kill all the women and nobody else
03:56:17 <hagb4rd> a horrible vision
03:56:30 <hagb4rd> worst case indeed
03:56:56 <elliott> well it's entirely possible all the men were misogynists who were glad to be rid of them
03:56:59 <elliott> i'm just saying
03:57:01 <elliott> switzerland!
03:57:29 <Bike> so, i went looking for small mountain countries, and «The Mountainous Republic of the Northern Caucasus (MRNC; also known as the Mountain Republic or the Republic of the Mountaineers; 1917–1920) was a short-lived state»
03:58:41 <elliott> wow what
03:59:00 <Bike> it was during the early modern "fucking clusterfuck
03:59:05 <Bike> " period of russian history.
03:59:37 <hagb4rd> you need to look for countries _surrounded by_ mountains..
03:59:56 <Bike> isn't that only switzerland
04:00:10 <hagb4rd> maybe..don't know
04:00:21 <elliott> switzerland is actually a crater
04:00:26 <elliott> created during the wwii bombinbs of switzerland
04:00:37 <hagb4rd> though hannibal was crossing the alps with his war elephants to kick the shit out of rome
04:00:51 <Bike> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swaziland okay how about this, this could work
04:01:01 <Bike> their flag has a normal shape too...
04:01:25 <hagb4rd> lol..elliott
04:01:26 <Fiora> aren't some countries like kyrgystan practically surrounded by mountains?
04:01:43 <Fiora> *kyrgyzstan
04:01:45 <kmc> you get a B+ in "spelling kyrgyzstan"
04:01:47 <kmc> yes
04:01:48 <Fiora> novowelsstan
04:01:48 <hagb4rd> let's have afghanistan
04:02:04 <hagb4rd> it's not surrounded by mountains..
04:02:05 <elliott> kmc: kyrgyzstan get an F- in "naming your country"
04:02:06 <Bike> too big, i'm telling you
04:02:28 <hagb4rd> but you can't beat the folks out of that mountains in the north
04:02:32 <Bike> also swaziland has an average life expectancy of 31.88 years
04:02:32 <kmc> "clinton deploys vowels to bosnia"
04:02:37 <Bike> so uh. that's pretty sad.
04:02:46 <kmc> "cities of sjlbvdnzv, grzny to be first recipients"
04:03:14 <Bike> "let's lighten your mood with bosnia jokes"
04:03:40 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic
04:03:43 <hagb4rd> or even sealand with its 3 or 4 M60 brownings machine guns
04:03:53 <kmc> "His government members were also not always well-chosen. For instance, the Foreign Affairs Deputy Dr. Franz Lipp (who had been admitted several times to psychiatric hospitals), declared war on Switzerland over the Swiss refusal to lend 60 locomotives"
04:04:07 <kmc> "He also claimed to be well acquainted with Pope Benedict XV and he informed Vladimir Lenin via cable that the ousted former Minister-President Hoffmann had fled to Bamberg and taken the key to the ministry toilet with him."
04:04:26 <Bike> i think we found out why all the swiss died, elliott.
04:04:36 <elliott> i think i found my new hero
04:05:17 <Bike> "he was shot dead by the right-wing nationalist Anton Graf von Arco auf Valley, who was rejected from membership in the Thule Society because of Jewish ancestry on his mother's side" why do they mention this? how is it related
04:05:48 <Jafet> It's part of a jewish conspiracy
04:06:06 <Bike> oh dang this article has both the thule society and thurn und taxis, that's like half a conspiracy bingo.
04:06:15 <Bike> oh, and communists.
04:06:42 <hagb4rd> and don't forget: the beavers
04:07:00 <hagb4rd> they are out there
04:07:07 <hagb4rd> waiting
04:07:13 <hagb4rd> anticipating
04:07:22 <kmc> i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks
04:07:42 <elliott> well why else would you do it
04:08:43 <kmc> and then he's just like http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz3xws8MGl1r8wxeyo1_500.jpg
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04:10:03 <hagb4rd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T2uBeiNXAo
04:10:11 <hagb4rd> good movie ;)
04:11:46 <Bike> who are the rest of them on the phone with
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04:14:35 <hagb4rd> bike: well.. the presidents staff i guess
04:15:10 <hagb4rd> if you haven't seen this movie yet, go for it..
04:15:49 <hagb4rd> it's one of kubricks first masterpieces
04:17:04 <Bike> i think the best part about it is when they made a film from the same book, except not taking the piss the whole time
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04:18:24 <Bike> oh, no, based on Fail-Safe, which was similar enough that one sued the other. but still.
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04:28:21 <kmc> "the last available World Health Organization data in 2002 shows that 64% of all deaths in [Swaziland] were caused by HIV/AIDS"
04:28:24 <kmc> so yeah
04:28:29 <kmc> that's why the life expectancy is 31.88 years :(
04:28:35 <Bike> yeaaaaah
04:28:57 <Bike> that's like black plague level depopulation, isn't it
04:30:28 <kmc> if you are born in this country there is like a 1 in 3 chance you already have aids
04:31:22 <kmc> elliott: so did you figure out what you thought is wrong with givewell
04:32:58 <elliott> no, i didn't think
04:33:02 <elliott> ping me tomorrow?
04:33:12 <kmc> ok
04:33:21 <elliott> i would @tell myself but lambdabot doesn't let me
04:33:38 <kmc> will lambdabot alert you multiple times
04:33:49 <kmc> or is it ineffective as soon as you say anything
04:33:53 <elliott> idk
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04:34:05 <shachaf> hi monqy
04:34:05 <elliott> i'm leaving so you can @tell me now!
04:34:10 <kmc> k
04:34:15 <monqy> hi elliott
04:36:24 <hagb4rd> `pastelog hi monqy
04:36:55 <HackEgo> No output.
04:36:55 <hagb4rd> this must be sort of a running gag isn't it?
04:37:02 <hagb4rd> aw
04:37:07 <hagb4rd> very well
04:37:08 <kmc> hi shachaf
04:37:21 <kmc> @ask elliott so did you figure out what you thought is wrong with givewell?
04:37:22 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
04:38:13 <Jafet> You need to remind elliott that if he talks again today, he needs to remind you to remind him again
04:38:31 <shachaf> hi kmc
04:38:37 <kmc> how is your xmas
04:38:48 <kmc> χmas?
04:39:08 <Jafet> "Fishy"
04:39:22 <hagb4rd> ^ord χ
04:39:22 <fungot> 207 135
04:39:27 <shachaf> ⲭmas?
04:39:48 <monqy> ^ord ⲭ
04:39:48 <fungot> 226 178 173
04:39:52 <kmc> how did you come up with that character
04:40:04 <kmc> > fromEnum 'ⲭ'
04:40:04 <lambdabot> mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character)
04:40:05 <Bike> what the hell is that? a fucked up chi?
04:40:07 <kmc> ffffff
04:40:11 <shachaf> 2CAD COPTIC SMALL LETTER KHI [ⲭ]
04:40:11 <Jafet> 🎅
04:40:17 <Bike> ...coptic
04:40:19 <Bike> creative!
04:40:30 <Bike> oh, right, their alphabet is probably based on greek
04:40:46 <quintopia> does anyone have an ebook copy of feynman lectures on physics
04:40:51 <shachaf>
04:40:55 <shachaf> I guess that one's better.
04:40:56 <monqy> x
04:41:08 <shachaf> 2C96 COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER LAULA [Ⲗ]
04:41:23 <shachaf> 2C90 COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER THETHE [Ⲑ]
04:41:25 <shachaf> 2C8E COPTIC CAPITAL LETTER HATE [Ⲏ]
04:41:33 <shachaf> These are great.
04:41:39 <hagb4rd> quintopia: http://physicsebooklibrary.blogspot.de/2011/08/feynman-lectures-on-physics-complete.html
04:41:43 <monqy> coptic alphabet: adorable???????
04:41:51 <kmc> they have Ⳁ
04:41:52 <Bike> Ⲱ . that's pretty cool
04:41:59 <Bike> also it's called Oou
04:42:11 <shachaf> monqy: did you know lens has "an actual data structure" in it now
04:42:18 <shachaf> (Kind of.)
04:42:31 <monqy> shachaf: :-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:42:47 <shachaf> (actually it has two?????)
04:42:48 <hagb4rd> quintopia: sorry.. i thought you can download it for free there :/
04:43:25 <quintopia> hagb4rd: guess i have to buy :(
04:43:32 <shachaf> 2C16 GLAGOLITIC CAPITAL LETTER UKU [Ⱆ]
04:43:48 <shachaf> good letters
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04:44:16 <Bike> "iotated"?
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04:44:39 <Jafet> I like how all the physics ebook downloaders are indian students
04:44:39 <quintopia> hagb4rd: oh it gives a 4shared link
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04:45:04 <Bike> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2c29/glagolitic_capital_letter_iotated_big_yus.png fileformat.info has failed me.
04:45:37 <kmc> that's the writing system they used
04:45:40 <kmc> four hex digits in a box
04:46:20 <Bike> i thought we already decided that's what japanophiles thought japanese was
04:46:31 <kmc> yeah
04:46:36 <shachaf> http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=character_detail&uid=63adeh5ch3
04:46:37 <Bike> so
04:46:41 <shachaf> http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/render_graphic.php?type=usv&point_size=96&metrics=1&block_start=2C00&block_end=2C7F
04:46:47 <Bike> can we conclude that the ancient russians spoke japanese
04:47:02 <kmc> that's quite a letter
04:48:02 <Fiora> that is a really confused concept of what kanji is
04:48:09 <Jafet> "Blog posts for this character"
04:49:00 <shachaf> http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/render_graphic.php?type=usv&point_size=96&metrics=1&block_start=2200&block_end=2400
04:49:30 <Bike> http://imgur.com/cLWxC now in image form
04:49:44 <shachaf> 23E4 STRAIGHTNESS [⏤]
04:49:44 <shachaf> 23E5 FLATNESS [⏥]
04:50:17 <GreyKnight> question, does unicode have the Yellow Sign
04:50:20 <GreyKnight> if not why not
04:50:33 <Bike> because we don't know what it looks like.
04:50:36 <shachaf>
04:50:37 <kmc> what is it
04:50:39 <shachaf> :-(
04:50:49 <kmc> unicode has STRAIGHTNESS but not GAYNESS?
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04:51:02 <hagb4rd> quintopia: kool..it's not even broken :)
04:51:05 <GreyKnight> we should at least reserve a codepoint for it, let's think ahead
04:51:19 <Bike> it would probably go in a private use area.
04:51:47 <kmc> well there is http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26a3/index.htm and http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2640/index.htm
04:52:09 <Jafet> kmc: www.charbase.com/1f46c-unicode-two-men-holding-hands
04:52:29 <Bike> is that... a 3d render?
04:52:46 <GreyKnight> wow Unicode sure is branching out
04:53:23 <kmc> the unicode committee should know that gender isn't binary, it's a complicated system of combining characters and normalization forms
04:53:35 <Bike> as far as i can tell everything above 10000 is kind of nutty
04:53:37 <GreyKnight> what's next, U+234FB ANIMATED RICKROLL?
04:53:59 <kmc> all you have to do is convince a japanese mobile phone company to add it to their proprietary encodings
04:54:25 <GreyKnight> U+1F461: WOMANS SANDAL what why why
04:54:26 <kmc> then apple and facebook will campaign to add it to unicode so they don't fall behind in the lucrative japanese people sending cat faces to each other market
04:55:14 <Bike> in three hundred years the linguists look back, see that 10000 to 20000 is all pictures of cacts, wonder wtf happened
04:55:18 <Bike> cats
04:55:30 <kmc> based on http://www.charbase.com/2603-unicode-snowman i am guessing that charbase.com is stealing the OS X fonts
04:55:40 <kmc> which do include fancy colorful icons for emoji
04:55:55 <kmc> http://zachholman.com/posts/abusing-emoji/
04:56:02 <Bike> «Sometimes, the terms “astral plane” and “astral characters” are used informally to refer to the planes above the Basic Multilingual Plane (planes 1–16) and their characters.[5]»
04:56:41 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_(Unicode)#Supplementary_Multilingual_Plane wow, that's actually some pretty cool stuff.
04:56:56 <Bike> aha, and there's deseret!
04:57:03 <GreyKnight> also "astral" because you need to be high as a kite to appreciate it fully
04:57:23 <kmc> level 20 supplemental multilingual plane elemental
04:58:44 <kmc> it has Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols aka "14 fucking copies of the latin alphabet because fuck mathematicians"
05:00:20 * GreyKnight casts /summon ancient greek musical notation/
05:00:22 <Bike> «Plane 3 is tentatively named the Tertiary Ideographic Plane, but as of version 6.1 there are no characters assigned to it. It is reserved for Oracle Bone script, Bronze Script, Small Seal Script, additional CJK unified ideographs, and other historic ideographic scripts» seriously
05:00:41 <Bike> GreyKnight: what's that look like? i don't thnk i actually found any pictures of the delphic hymns
05:01:59 <kmc> "Oddly enough, if you drag emoji into the password box, a single emoji shows up as two characters" UTF-16?
05:03:17 <Bike> «The ConScript Unicode Registry suggests it be used for the Klingon glyph "KLINGON MUMMIFICATION GLYPH".»
05:03:51 <GreyKnight> Bike: it looks like this http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D200.pdf
05:03:55 <Bike> "Medieval Unicode Font Initiative"
05:04:35 <Bike> GreyKnight: lol, they just give up and number 'em.
05:07:52 <GreyKnight> Hieroglyphs are the same way, they are labelled with the Gardiner number
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05:16:33 <Bike> i'm kind of surprised they had specialized notation though. or that we know any of it.
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05:18:00 <GreyKnight> we have specialised musical notation *today*, why not the ancient Greeks?
05:18:42 <Bike> because the chinese and sumerians didn't.
05:19:11 <Bike> and because greek music wasn't polyphonic (probably) and they didn't have complicated scales. I think.
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05:25:41 <GreyKnight> well I guess the Chinese and Sumerians were slow starters!
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05:56:49 <kmc> too busy inventing gunpowder and malware respectively
05:57:35 <Bike> is that a snow crash joke or something more interesting
05:57:43 <kmc> snow crash joke, sorry
05:57:57 <Bike> oh well
06:01:36 <GreyKnight> I have never actually read that
06:02:05 <kmc> it's pretty good
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06:08:28 <zzo38> Are you going to do something about the [[International transportation]] article on esolang wiki? (1) It is only one sentence. (2) It is in the main namespace. (3) It is not related to esolang (or anything else, really). (4) The user made no other edits. I suggest either deleting or moving to [[User:Asmun/Sandbox]] without a redirect.
06:14:08 <GreyKnight> elliott thinks it is funny and refuses to delete it
06:16:24 <kmc> it's an esolang with one command
06:17:10 <zzo38> I also am unsure to delete it, but I think it should at least be moved; it is why I suggested that.
06:19:33 <kmc> TIL that burned whole rye grains smell the same as burned popcorn
06:21:24 <zzo38> Move it to [[User:Asmun/International_transportation]] if you don't like [[User:Asmun/Sandbox]]
06:21:56 <shachaf> zzo38: But what if I want to learn more about international transportation?
06:22:25 <kmc> no you can only learn about international shipping
06:22:38 <zzo38> shachaf: Then you should look on Wikipedia; the one sentence there explains nothing about it and its external link doesn't explain either.
06:23:29 <zzo38> Anyways I think it belongs in the User: namespace, not the main namespace, so if you agree, that is why I suggested [[User:Asmun/International_transportation]]. If you disagree, that is OK too but at least I suggest this so we can see who agree/disagree with me.
06:27:34 <GreyKnight> It doesn't *belong* anywhere because it's spam. But it's funny spam because they failed to insert a link to their website.
06:28:16 <GreyKnight> Right now it is staying because elliott finds it amusing, after he gets bored with it I guess it will get deleted?
06:31:56 <zzo38> Well, yes, it is spam too
06:32:14 <zzo38> But if it should go anywhere, it should go in the User: namespace. Otherwise, it should be deleted.
06:33:12 <GreyKnight> If any admin action is taken on it it should be to delete, moving it to User: makes no sense
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06:33:38 <zzo38> Well, yes, but it makes more sense than leaving it how it is, at least!
06:33:46 <GreyKnight> no it makes less sense!
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06:34:09 <zzo38> Are you sure?
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06:35:35 <GreyKnight> yes, if you're moderating it anyway why not just delete it? "Move to User" is a halfway compromise for actual articles, for funny spam the concept does not apply
06:35:58 <GreyKnight> partly because the "user" is a nonentity
06:36:42 <kmc> http://lookatthatfuckingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/
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06:37:21 <zzo38> However you said they don't want to delete it because is funny. If you *do* want to delete it, then of course you will.
06:39:14 <GreyKnight> well not me personally since I can't delete :-P
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10:10:31 <Taneb> Huh. someone in the wiki is trying to make a documentary about esolangs
10:13:41 <fizzie> A documentary about #esoteric sounds a far more appealing topic.
10:14:09 <fizzie> Or maybe a regular movie.
10:14:19 <fizzie> I don't know who'd they get to star as elliott, though.
10:15:10 <Taneb> I imagine Elijah Wood as elliott
10:15:30 <fizzie> My wife made the exact same suggestion before you said that.
10:15:44 <fizzie> Clearly that is the logical choice.
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10:18:31 <Taneb> fizzie, I'm your wife.
10:18:40 <Taneb> Only logical conclusion
10:21:20 <fizzie> I find that hard to believe.
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13:08:43 <nooodl> fizzie: who would play zzo38
13:09:58 <shachaf> fizzie: Why would elliott be the star?
13:10:02 <shachaf> I think that would be monqy.
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13:16:17 <GreyKnight> Also starring fungot as the comic relief!
13:16:18 <fungot> GreyKnight: more of a statement implies that statement would prove that. though we did experiment by photographing durbu's and lindi's chess game. 10k is plenty of ways to try to decode it
13:17:01 <GreyKnight> fizzie: for some reason I had assumed you were female?
13:17:24 <GreyKnight> (I suppose that doesn't actually rule out you having a wife, although it is significantly less likely that way)
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13:20:24 <nooodl> what would the plot be
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13:21:08 <nooodl> imo it should be like a cheesy sci-fi-action movie, somehow involving esolangs...
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13:56:13 <fizzie> GreyKnight: I'm not female, but I've heard "fizzie" is quite a feminine nick.
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14:02:23 <GreyKnight> also you are like a mother figure to little fungot :-3
14:02:24 <fungot> GreyKnight: i need to support locales in a modern os shouldn't even let a user know about cursor?'
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14:08:57 <fizzie> fungot: Who's your mommy?
14:08:59 <fungot> fizzie: as in i have read the spec can be burst upon by a good environment in hands of a competent programmer. "
14:09:34 <shachaf> fungot: Speak!
14:09:34 <fungot> shachaf: preferably with its legs talked off.
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14:16:48 <oerjan> `addquote <kmc> i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks
14:16:56 <HackEgo> 887) <kmc> i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks
14:20:06 <oerjan> `pastelog hi monqy
14:20:37 <HackEgo> No output.
14:20:57 <oerjan> `pastelog hi monqy
14:21:29 <HackEgo> No output.
14:21:38 <oerjan> `cat bin/pastelog
14:21:39 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ \ pasterandom() { \ if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \ echo "No." \ exit \ fi \ for i in $(seq "$1"); do \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ done | paste \ } \ \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \
14:22:41 <oerjan> > "hi monqy"
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14:22:42 <lambdabot> "hi monqy"
14:22:52 <oerjan> `pastelogs hi monqy
14:23:15 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13720
14:23:41 <oerjan> `run diff bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs
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14:23:47 <HackEgo> No output.
14:24:02 <oerjan> `run diff bin/pastelog bin/pastelogs
14:24:04 <HackEgo> No output.
14:25:17 <oerjan> why is there a multiline message in there.
14:25:52 <oerjan> `url bin/pastelog
14:25:54 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/pastelog
14:27:57 <oerjan> `pastelogs 3
14:28:03 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29274
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14:31:09 <GreyKnight> fungot I liek you
14:31:10 <fungot> GreyKnight: i don't care, it's a tarnished chain of my nick. i think
14:31:13 <GreyKnight> If you know the right codeword you can also call up the U.S.A. president on the telephone and *make* bathroom pranks: http://www.webcrunchers.com/stories/toilet.html
14:31:52 <shachaf> ^style
14:31:52 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
14:32:27 <shachaf> `pastelogs <monqy> hi
14:32:40 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.13421
14:33:06 <shachaf> [too many lines; stopping]
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14:43:17 <GreyKnight> http://dx.com/p/gold-plated-digital-audio-optical-fiber-toslink-cable-black-150cm-135805?item=35 I don't understand
14:45:38 <GreyKnight> [User:Phantom_Hoover] Voulez-vous un brick large in tu brain?
14:46:27 <oerjan> GreyKnight: tell him not to switch between vous and tu like that
14:47:39 <GreyKnight> I hoped that http://esolangs.org/wiki/Ragaraja would actually have 1000 operations as claimed, but looks like he chickened out
14:47:49 <fizzie> GreyKnight: Wow, that's a cheap cable. I mean, compare it for a mid-range HDMI cable like http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-3m-Carbon-HDMI-Cable/dp/B0038LYHDE/ref=sr_1_2
14:49:11 <GreyKnight> I wouldn't pay that much for a *device* to plug the cable *into*
14:50:21 <fizzie> You can pay $13000 for a speaker cable, but at least that's an analog thing.
14:50:43 <fizzie> Still, a 15-metre HDMI cable for $2099.95? http://www.amazon.com/World-Silver-Starlight-Cable-Meters/dp/B002YFTMEO/ref=sr_1_8
14:50:53 <GreyKnight> o_o
14:51:22 <fizzie> (Ref. for the earlier: http://www.amazon.com/WireWorld-Platinum-Eclipse-Standard-Speaker/dp/B008K473NA/ref=sr_1_1 $13199.95.)
14:51:29 <GreyKnight> none of this explains why we're gold-plating an optical cable. Maybe just for the bling value, if cables sell for this kind of money
14:52:00 <fizzie> Obviously it's gold-plated to "provide clear, full and richly detailed sound".
14:52:51 <GreyKnight> "Platinum Eclipse is the cable for perfectionists with elite reference standard audio systems." Boke and lies
14:53:15 <GreyKnight> it's for people who use £50 notes as kindling to start their fire
14:53:39 <fizzie> GreyKnight: Here's a $1088.75 optical cable for you: http://www.amazon.com/Audioquest-Diamond-Fiber-Digital-Toslink/dp/B0073TB78A/ref=sr_1_42
14:53:43 <GreyKnight> Is there a way I can find out everyone who's bought one of these, so I can go visit them and smack them in the head
14:54:11 <fizzie> It's not gold-plated though. :/
14:54:19 <fizzie> I suppose that would be too much to ask for a thousand-dollar cable.
14:55:05 <GreyKnight> Is this actual diamond fiber? If not why not
14:56:32 <fizzie> It has "280 narrow aperture quartz (fused-silica) fibers", I think.
14:57:16 <oerjan> confusing carbon and silicon? must be aliens.
14:57:41 <fizzie> "Diamond" (as far as I can tell) just refers to the color.
14:57:59 <fizzie> It's available in "Forst", "Cinnamon", "Vodka" and "Diamond" colors.
14:58:24 <fizzie> (Also known as "green", "red", "blue" and "grey" in the common speech of lesser men.)
15:00:03 <fizzie> Or Ibrîniðilpathânezel for those who know Valarin.
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15:01:11 <greyooze> guise i have too much money ware can i buy a platinum-plated optikal cable
15:02:06 <fizzie> Go to Amazon.com and then sort by "Price: High to Low", that's how you find the best deals.
15:02:25 <fizzie> (Also the green one was "Forest", not "Forst".)
15:02:43 <greyooze> I am also disappointed that these aren't made of actual diamond: http://www.amazon.com/Waterfall-Audio-Niagara-Standing-Loudspeakers/dp/B002BSH27I/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2
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15:03:40 <hagb4rd> how do i need to configure irc chanserv to not !op the channel owner on join. or if that|s not possible: can i completely hide the status of any user in the channel..like it is here?
15:03:48 <GreyKnight> fizzie: this has actually been a kind of horrifying experience
15:04:13 <fizzie> GreyKnight: Don't you mean "uplifting"? You got to see a glimpse of how better people live.
15:04:29 <fizzie> Perhaps one day you could own $54000 "diamond-glass" speakers too.
15:05:05 <GreyKnight> hagb4rd: +O is the "auto-op" flag: /msg ChanServ HELP FLAGS
15:06:21 <hagb4rd> GreyKnight: hm. /msg ChanServ HELP FLAGS seems not to work on that network :(
15:07:30 <GreyKnight> oh a different network
15:07:32 <GreyKnight> try just HELP
15:08:38 <GreyKnight> fizzie: some of these listings seem like jokes/errors
15:08:41 <GreyKnight> e.g. http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDSDQY-008G-A11A-MicroSD-Capacity-microSDHC/dp/B007YW3DOW/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1356534370&sr=1-1
15:09:12 <hagb4rd> all i seem to have is the access list + types (like "autodeop") + some flags like "secureops".. tried them all and it doesn't work.. but thx, maybe it's not possible on that network..
15:13:26 <GreyKnight> from ChanServ help: "+b - Enables automatic kickban." <-- at first I misread this as "enables automatic kitchen"
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15:36:01 <GreyKnight> `run echo "print(9.54/40)" | lua -e
15:36:05 <HackEgo> lua: '-e' needs argument \ usage: lua [options] [script [args]] \ Available options are: \ -e stat execute string 'stat' \ -i enter interactive mode after executing 'script' \ -l name require library 'name' \ -v show version information \ -E ignore environment variables \ -- stop handling options \ - s
15:36:21 <GreyKnight> `run lua -e "print(9.54/40)"
15:36:22 <HackEgo> 0.2385
15:36:24 <GreyKnight> opps
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16:00:42 <nortti> https://gist.github.com/665971
16:01:56 <GreyKnight> gj GNU
16:03:01 <elliott> 10:14:19 <fizzie> I don't know who'd they get to star as elliott, though.
16:03:01 <elliott> 10:15:10 <Taneb> I imagine Elijah Wood as elliott
16:03:01 <elliott> 10:15:30 <fizzie> My wife made the exact same suggestion before you said that.
16:03:01 <elliott> 10:15:44 <fizzie> Clearly that is the logical choice.
16:03:01 <lambdabot> elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
16:03:04 <elliott> i could see it working
16:03:30 <elliott> @tell ais523 HELP!!!! (Deletion log); 10:57 . . Keymaker (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page International transportation ‎(content was: "[http://www.example.com click here] to learn more about international shipping" (and the only contributor was "Asmun"))
16:03:30 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:03:41 <elliott> @tell ais523 HELP!!!! (Deletion log); 10:57 . . Keymaker (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page International transportation ‎(content was: "[http://www.example.com click here] to learn more about international shipping" (and the only contributor was "Asmun"))
16:03:42 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:03:45 <elliott> @tell ais523 oops
16:03:46 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:03:49 <elliott> @tell ais523 we should have protected it or something
16:03:50 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:04:01 <oerjan> @tell ais523 I think elliott is panicking
16:04:01 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:04:14 <elliott> GreyKnight: btw ais523 found it amusing too
16:04:15 <ion> http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/15axxn/what_would_happen_if_i_told_an_inside_joke/
16:04:20 <olsner> elliott: why do you need help?
16:04:26 <nortti> "if you are into pain, get the autotools book.. Read it awhile, throw it in a box and start sacrificing to Cthulu."
16:04:29 <elliott> so that's 2/3 of the active administrators :P
16:04:37 <elliott> olsner: the perfect page got deleted
16:04:41 <olsner> also, isn't oerjan the one you ask for help with the wiki?
16:05:11 <oerjan> only when he gets confused about which universe he is in
16:06:04 <oerjan> `quote alternativ
16:06:07 <HackEgo> 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): <ehird> So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler! \ 373) <elliott> oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page <elliott> thanks <oerjan> elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET
16:06:29 <oerjan> `quote alterna
16:06:30 <HackEgo> 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <bsmntbombdood> there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 19) <oerjan> In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 20) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <oerj
16:07:18 <oerjan> whatever happened to bsmntbombdood
16:07:34 <oerjan> maybe he tried that and croaked
16:07:36 <elliott> he got responsibilities or sth
16:07:38 <elliott> oh boy
16:07:45 <elliott> this documentary looks like somethin' indeed
16:09:15 <oerjan> `quote alter.*duc
16:09:17 <HackEgo> No output.
16:09:35 <oerjan> i think the mussolini one may have been euthanized
16:10:05 <oerjan> `run quote alterna | tail
16:10:07 <HackEgo> 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <bsmntbombdood> there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 19) <oerjan> In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 20) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <oerj
16:10:14 <oerjan> um
16:10:31 <oerjan> `run quote alterna | fmt -w 400 | tail -1
16:10:42 <Jafet> `run quote alterna | tac
16:10:43 <elliott> `help
16:10:44 <HackEgo> Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
16:10:44 <HackEgo> 373) <elliott> oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page <elliott> thanks <oerjan> elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET \ 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): <ehird> So kann ich nur schliessen, dass es falsch ist, oder die Welt ist vollig BONKERS. Gegrusset seist du der Fuhrer Hitler!
16:10:59 <oerjan> Jafet: ooh, clever
16:11:11 <elliott> doesn't seem to have been deleted grepping the hg logs
16:11:20 <elliott> `quote duce
16:11:21 <HackEgo> 23) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 94) <soupdragon> if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect <soupdragon> ^
16:11:25 <elliott> see
16:11:45 <oerjan> elliott: oh that didn't use alterna*
16:11:53 <oerjan> *+.
16:11:55 <elliott> `quote 94
16:11:56 <HackEgo> 94) <soupdragon> if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect <soupdragon> ^ I learned that trick from atheists
16:11:59 <elliott> i remember this one
16:12:18 <oerjan> il produce
16:13:22 <oerjan> `quote 21
16:13:23 <HackEgo> 21) <ehird> so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers
16:13:39 <oerjan> ah, context
16:13:51 <GreyKnight> `quote 123
16:13:53 <HackEgo> 123) <ivancastillo75> Oh I get it you guys just use this space to do nothing ?
16:14:48 <oerjan> `run quote univers | grep -v alterna
16:14:49 <HackEgo> 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <pikhq> First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. <pikhq> Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. \ 18) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <bsmntbombdood> there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 22) IN EINEM ALTERNATIVEN UNIVERSUM (WO DIE NAZIS WON): <ehird> So kann ich nur schliessen,
16:15:02 <oerjan> `run quote univers | grep -f -v alterna
16:15:03 <HackEgo> grep: -v: No such file or directory
16:15:09 <oerjan> `run quote univers | grep -i -v alterna
16:15:11 <HackEgo> 23) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): <ehird> i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! \ 24) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: <oerjan> sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers \ 94) <soupdragon> if
16:15:23 <oerjan> `run quote univers | grep -i -v alterna | tac
16:15:25 <HackEgo> 717) <elliott> oops I accidentally deleted the universe <olsner> looks weird when you put a verb after accidentally like that \ 643) <oklopol> the point of a university is research and training new researchers. the point of the world is to enable this. \ 598) <yrlnry> I personally use while ("Cogito, ergo sum") { ... } because since that is a prio
16:15:44 <oerjan> TOO MANY
16:16:09 <oerjan> `pastequotes univers
16:16:13 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26859
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16:17:33 <oerjan> is that picture on /r/shittyaskscience genuine
16:17:45 <olsner> it still looks weird with a verb after accidentally ... when I read sentences like that I feel like ignoring the verb because it's ungrammatical
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16:18:22 <Jafet> You accidentally assimilated the meme
16:18:26 <olsner> or maybe ignoring the extraneous verb because accidentally is already a verb?
16:18:55 <olsner> *accidentally the meme
16:19:16 <oerjan> i had already accidentallied the meme
16:19:33 <Jafet> We must accidentally all verbs
16:23:17 <GreyKnight> accidentally is an adverb hth
16:25:18 <olsner> well, this is what happens when you accidentally an adverb
16:25:20 <Jafet> Then we shall ccientally.
16:25:21 <olsner> let it be a warning
16:26:30 <oerjan> i sense a great deal of redundancy in some of those subreddit names http://www.reddit.com/r/shittysuboftheweek
16:26:30 <fizzie> GreyKnight: I think many of the "ridiculous price" listings are indeed mistakes (or algorithmic pricing gone wrong; that happens, too; there's some amusing articles on it) but the ludicrously expensive cables are sadly far too real.
16:27:16 <GreyKnight> The sentence acquires an accidentally, the accidentally acquires a verb, the verb becomes a warning
16:30:11 <fizzie> "Although I had to liquidate the assets of an entire third world nation in order to afford these SDHC cards, they hold a lot of pictures of my dogs." (A customer review for a 4GB SDHC card costing $100M.)
16:32:29 <GreyKnight> I don't think I have any third world nations left
16:34:16 <fizzie> I did saw something I could've bought in Amazon for $0.01 recently. (List price $24.99, "you save $24.98 (100%)".)
16:34:23 <fizzie> But the shipping would've been $4.99.
16:34:33 <fizzie> Did saw indeed.
16:36:25 <GreyKnight> Did saw dat do dint dey do
16:39:25 <GreyKnight> `quote
16:39:27 <HackEgo> 862) <olsner> FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion
16:42:36 <GreyKnight> what's a HackEgo invocation to search logs for a particular string?
16:44:11 <fizzie> There are quite a few.
16:44:35 <fizzie> `run ls bin/*log*
16:44:36 <HackEgo> bin/anonlog \ bin/etymology \ bin/log \ bin/logurl \ bin/pastelog \ bin/pastelogs \ bin/pastlog \ bin/randomanonlog \ bin/searchlog
16:45:07 <fizzie> 'pastlog' is "on-channel, logs not including today"; 'pastelog' is an URL-pasting version.
16:45:37 <fizzie> Either 'log' or 'searchlog' is maybe 'pastlog' except without the not-today feature.
16:46:06 <fizzie> `etymology particular
16:46:09 <HackEgo> ​ \ Looking up \ Making HTTP connection to \ Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. \ \ lynx: Can't access startfile http://etymonline.com/?search=%70%61%72%74%69%63%75%6c%61%72
16:46:12 <fizzie> ...
16:46:13 <fizzie> Aw.
16:46:26 <fizzie> (I was hoping for a joke.)
16:47:27 <GreyKnight> `pastelog infomercials
16:47:32 <oerjan> `run diff bin/log bin/searchlog
16:47:34 <HackEgo> Binary files bin/log and bin/searchlog differ
16:47:47 <GreyKnight> Well that was informative.
16:47:48 <oerjan> they're binary now?
16:47:54 <oerjan> `cat bin/log
16:47:58 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18493
16:47:59 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ grep -P -i -- "$1" ????-??-??.txt | shuf -n 1 \ else \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ fi
16:48:19 <oerjan> `file bin/searchlog
16:48:21 <HackEgo> bin/searchlog: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped
16:48:32 <oerjan> `searchlog what
16:48:38 <HackEgo> 2008-09-07.txt:09:47:39: <tusho> what's the dsss command to tangoify again
16:49:23 <oerjan> `log what
16:49:30 <HackEgo> 2011-02-19.txt:05:17:25: <Gregor> I always just say "Yeah, what?" gruffly.
16:49:33 <GreyKnight> I thought that was dsssl for a minute
16:49:58 <elliott> what does searchlog do...
16:50:31 <GreyKnight> okay I guess HackEgo can't find the source of quote 316
16:50:32 <elliott> `run grep searchlog bin/*
16:50:34 <HackEgo> No output.
16:50:57 <fizzie> oerjan: Maybe searchlog's the OPTOMIZED version of log.
16:51:04 <GreyKnight> elliott: splain plz
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16:51:33 <elliott> `quote 316
16:51:34 <HackEgo> 316) <elliott> Top universities now employ people to watch infomercials all day to find the latest mysteries.
16:51:40 <elliott> the explanation is i dont remember
16:51:59 <oerjan> fizzie: sounds plausible
16:52:08 * GreyKnight throws his hands in the air
16:52:32 <fizzie> oerjan: It's written in TERSE, you know.
16:52:39 <oerjan> `pastelogs Top universities now employ
16:52:50 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12580
16:53:26 <oerjan> huh it's also in lambdabot
16:54:23 <fizzie> oerjan: http://sprunge.us/dXiR
16:54:27 <GreyKnight> maybe the bots made it up themselves and are just using elliott as a cover
16:55:22 <oerjan> fizzie: OKAY
16:55:53 <oerjan> @quote elliott universities
16:55:53 <lambdabot> elliott says: Top universities now employ people to watch infomercials all day to find the latest mysteries.
16:56:13 <fizzie> It's from a discussion in 2011-05-07, FWIW.
16:56:49 <elliott> did I say it in /msg or something
16:57:06 <fizzie> http://sprunge.us/LDhA (sorry for the log format)
16:57:51 <elliott> my log format has colour codes in it :(
16:58:03 <elliott> because the alternative is that irssi doesn't log the colour codes in people's actual messages
16:59:19 <oerjan> ah right the day is missing glogbot logs until 19:55
17:00:13 <oerjan> http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/11.05.07 has it
17:00:30 <GreyKnight> <ais523> I mean, us in #esoteric understand that you mean hi as a threat
17:00:40 <GreyKnight> (to monqy)
17:00:48 <monqy> huh what
17:02:14 <GreyKnight> from http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-05-07.txt
17:02:19 <GreyKnight> also there is a monqys-crawl?!
17:02:57 <monqy> fsvo is
17:03:06 <monqy> also fsvo monqys-crawl!!!!
17:03:11 <shachaf> wait
17:03:16 <shachaf> i want to play monqys-crawl
17:03:21 <shachaf> where can i get it
17:03:28 <monqy> shachaf. it's not ready for the prime time.
17:04:01 <shachaf> monqy: i don't need prime time i just want to play!!!!!!!!
17:04:51 <monqy> it's unplayable sorry
17:05:45 <shachaf> i want to read the code then
17:05:49 <shachaf> it's c++ right
17:06:07 <monqy> it's just crawl code
17:06:29 <monqy> check out the "4.1.2 ancient" branch and you'll get an idea
17:06:38 <monqy> you can play that too! it's 100% playable
17:06:51 <shachaf> monqy: should i learn crawl
17:06:53 <monqy> but it's just crawl no monqys in there
17:07:10 <monqy> crawl may or may not help you with monqys-crawl
17:07:32 <shachaf> make everything sprint
17:07:38 <shachaf> everything does lots of damage, take 1
17:07:42 <shachaf> add segfaults and also smaller levels
17:07:44 <shachaf> goodbye files with mostly/all big vaults
17:07:56 <monqy> shachaf
17:08:00 <monqy> thats not monqys-crawl
17:08:09 <shachaf> it says monqys-crawl.........
17:08:14 <monqy> thats old monqys-crawl
17:08:21 <monqy> an experiment in making crawl dumb
17:08:30 <shachaf> did it work
17:08:34 <monqy> yes
17:08:37 <monqy> it made crawl dumb
17:08:41 <GreyKnight> does it say "hi" when you start up a new game
17:08:46 <monqy>
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17:09:01 <monqy>
17:09:18 <olsner> when (and why) did we invent all this hoopla about "hi"?
17:09:31 <monqy> good question
17:11:09 <GreyKnight> it is a threat
17:11:36 <monqy> are you sure????
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17:15:13 <olsner> monqy: what are your thoughts on socks?
17:15:50 <monqy> good for shoes, sliding, not much else
17:16:05 <monqy> good for faux pas????????that sandals thing
17:16:11 <monqy> good for puppets!
17:16:20 <monqy> good for monkeys?
17:16:21 <olsner> good for shoes and puppets? how about for people?
17:16:46 <monqy> shoes and puppets are good for people. there's a transitivity going on here.
17:16:48 <olsner> a faux pas is what you do when you make a fool out of yourself
17:16:58 * oerjan is currently wearing socks in his sandals. two pairs, the outer one is wool.
17:17:04 <olsner> did you mean flip flops?
17:18:46 <monqy> not entirely sure. I've only heard of this phenomenon, never witnessed it
17:19:01 <olsner> hmm, or http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Foppatoffel ? faux pas sounds pretty similar actually (but the aux is too long)
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17:21:48 <monqy> hi elliott
17:23:13 <olsner> someone could make a browser called sandals and refuse to ever add socks support to it
17:23:21 <monqy> yes
17:31:30 <oerjan> fungot: i know you use SOCK, do you use sandals?
17:31:31 <fungot> oerjan: the search starts because we are more concerned about getting accepted?)
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17:33:06 <oerjan> hm what is the precise distinction between sandals and flip flops
17:33:28 <fizzie> oerjan: The latter is a bistable multivibrator.
17:33:41 * oerjan swats fizzie -----###
17:34:09 <oerjan> ok band between the toes, not flip flops i'm wearing then
17:34:42 <nortti> :D
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17:38:33 <oerjan> yuck my coke bottle was gooey on the outside
17:39:35 <elliott> thanks
17:40:19 <fizzie> "They may also be held to the foot with a single strap over the front --" see, it doesn't have to use in-toe signaling.
17:40:26 <fizzie> I mean, a between-toe band.
17:40:44 <oerjan> fizzie: um that was the distinction of flip-flops, afaict
17:41:31 <fizzie> I would have thought it's more about not having more than the strap in front, no matter whether it has that between-toes bit or not.
17:41:49 <fizzie> "[Flip-flops] consist of a flat sole held loosely on the foot by a Y-shaped strap that passes between the first and second toes and around either side of the foot. They may also be held to the foot with a single strap over the front of the foot rather than a thong."
17:41:56 <fizzie> That's what Wikipedia says.
17:43:01 <fizzie> I mean, the sandals still flip-flop if there's a single front-strap that goes over the whole foot, so they ought to be flip-flops.
17:43:57 <fizzie> "6. A plastic or rubber sandal consisting of a flat sole and straps. Also attrib." (OED) well that's not very distinctive.
17:45:06 <fizzie> "2. flip-flop, thong -- (a backless sandal held to the foot by a thong between the big toe and the second toe)" I see wordnet is a strict orthodox between-toe flip-floppist.
17:49:34 <kmc> fungot: flip flopper!
17:49:34 <fungot> kmc: i've lost what we're arguing about
17:49:48 <shachaf> ^style
17:49:49 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
17:49:52 <oerjan> fungot: so have i
17:49:53 <fungot> oerjan: eval ( 1 2 3 4 5))) x
17:49:53 <shachaf> fungot
17:49:54 <fungot> shachaf: and cooperation against the game does not preclude " adrenaline" ( or " fnord" types which i believe to be 12 thing?
17:50:56 <GreyKnight> fungot: please design esoteric: the boardgame
17:50:57 <fungot> GreyKnight: and 1.0a1 is ancient, decrepit lisps. what you will probably need to traverse the cartesian product one every one copies. should probably still complain.
17:51:41 <oerjan> fizzie: i see it doesn't handle space after special tokens, like (
17:52:58 <oerjan> ancient, decrepit lisps, i take it this is a horror game then.
17:53:52 <oerjan> you can evade those, though; malbolge is much harder.
17:55:15 <GreyKnight> there is only one malbolge on the board at any one time
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17:55:46 <GreyKnight> the BF derivatives are hard to avoid because they are so numerous, but they're pretty weak individually
17:59:01 <GreyKnight> fungot: we need more design fuel please
17:59:02 <fungot> GreyKnight: s/ a name/ value list or a sigle atom or procedure)'.
17:59:11 <olsner> if you draw the "Brick brain" card, the whole board fills with BF derivatives
17:59:37 <oerjan> i'd rather think that would remove them
17:59:42 <olsner> or maybe every time you cast a BF derivative, you have to roll for brick brain
18:00:01 <olsner> "brick roll"
18:01:33 <GreyKnight> good thought
18:09:10 <olsner> arguably, a bricked brain wouldn't significantly affect someone's ability to create bf derivatives
18:14:32 <fizzie> oerjan: It does have some trouble with tokens that are not supposed to be followed by a space, yes.
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18:34:53 <fizzie> play.google.com gives me prices in SEK. :/
18:42:06 <fizzie> And suspiciously many Sweden-specific things in the top charts, like "SVT Play". There seems to be only a language select-o-tron, not a location select-o-tron.
18:42:39 <olsner> they know where you are better than you do, apparently
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18:42:51 <fizzie> I don't think I want to be in Sweden. :/
18:42:51 <olsner> maybe you accidentally to sweden?
18:43:07 <oerjan> yeah everyone know finland is swedish by ancient heritage
18:43:11 <fizzie> I was in Sweden just the other day, though, perhaps it's just laggy.
18:43:13 <oerjan> *+s
18:43:33 <oerjan> fizzie: clear some cookies?
18:43:35 <fizzie> I even tried adding a place-I-live-in in my Google account profile, but it didn't help.
18:44:14 <oerjan> c00kiemon5ter: WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS
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18:45:03 <fizzie> I'm thinking it's probably because of the he.net IPv6 tunnel, which has its endpoint in Stockholm. But surely there should be some way of overriding the IP geolocation, it's not like those are 100% accurate.
18:49:01 <fizzie> "If you want to manually change your currency and/or country:
18:49:02 <fizzie> Add a new payment method with a billing address in the "new" country that matches the currency you'd like to use."
18:49:05 <fizzie> Maybe that would help.
18:49:17 <fizzie> Though I don't really want to add a payment method.
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18:50:52 <hagb4rd_> http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
18:51:28 <hagb4rd_> though i really don't know y to learn java i swear i'll wear my lucky socks this time
18:51:29 <elliott> can we not link to unfunny SEO-spammy bullshit like the oatmeal
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18:52:19 <GreyKnight> hagb4rd_: objection, growing a beard is a prerequisite for installing Linux in the first place
18:52:37 <hagb4rd_> right
18:55:16 <hagb4rd_> elliott: i don't know this place.. no problem for me so
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18:55:30 <hagb4rd_> if it makes you happy
18:56:50 <oerjan> silly executive officer
18:56:51 <GreyKnight> nothing makes elliott happy
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19:06:35 <kmc> http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/12/4/3727746/the-oatmeal-rape-joke
19:08:45 <elliott> the oatmeal guy has actually given talks at, like, SEO conferences about how the literal entire aim of the comic is to get pageviews from reddit and that he doesn't even care a single bit about anything he writes about
19:08:49 <elliott> pretty great
19:09:07 <monqy> good
19:09:24 <kmc> it's a little bit weird that we judge content creators by motivation rather than what they create
19:09:45 <elliott> well it's more
19:09:51 <elliott> I judge the guy for having completely slimy motivation
19:09:52 <hagb4rd_> aw..motivation is goin a long way
19:09:55 <elliott> and therefore won't read his comic
19:09:56 <hagb4rd_> thats true
19:10:44 <monqy> well his comic is bad too so
19:10:56 <GreyKnight> elliott: yay principles
19:11:00 <Bike> "You can go back to reading The Family Circus now." for god's sake
19:11:12 <elliott> monqy: yes that's the nice advantage, I don't even miss out on anything
19:13:19 <hagb4rd_> for some reason you know this guy and even parts of his biography and work..i'm sure you have your reasons to boycott his works elliott.. and truly it wasn't that funny at all
19:14:00 <elliott> i am secretly the author of the oatmeal perpetrating an immense act of reverse psychology
19:14:08 <Sgeo> I think he does have a point though. People make jokes about all sorts of horrible things, is making a joke about this one horrible thing worse than those other horrible things?
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19:15:16 <kmc> yes because of pervasive sexism in the communities that read theoatmeal
19:15:18 <kmc> but also
19:15:21 <kmc> it's not even a joke about rape
19:15:33 <kmc> it's a joke about something else, which uses rape as a lighthearted fun-times analogy
19:16:03 <GreyKnight> while I so far agree with the progressiveboink article's author, I strongly associate white guys who make heavy use of the word "privilege" with a variant of Nice Guy Syndrome so bleh
19:16:09 <kmc> i'm not saying it would be impossible to make a legitimately worthwhile joke about rape
19:16:22 <kmc> but this idea that you can just tack "RAPE!! LOLOLOLOL" onto any unfunny shit and make it funny is really bad
19:16:29 <Sgeo> kmc, good point
19:16:29 <hagb4rd_> ah cmon
19:16:46 <Bike> maybe the analogy to other horrible things would be like "i machete the shit out of my tutsi f5 key" or... something less forced
19:16:48 <hagb4rd_> it is not funny. but it's not the same as raping
19:16:59 <kmc> GreyKnight: so, in your mind is there any way for a white guy to care about social justice
19:17:03 <hagb4rd_> it's just stupif
19:17:04 <kmc> or are we automatically poseurs
19:17:16 <kmc> i think this kind of attitude is a litiiitle bit counterproductive
19:17:31 <kmc> if you have privilege you should acknowledge that you have privilege and use it for good not evil
19:17:47 <Sgeo> Bike, there may be less of a reaction to that, largely because there are likely to be fewer readers directly affected by that event
19:17:52 <GreyKnight> I said "strongly associate"
19:18:47 <Fiora> pretty much you just have to realize that "privilege" means "I don't have to deal with X, while other people who don't have that privilege do, and I should be careful not to assume that everyone is like me in that regard", and that it's not a thing that makes you a bad person
19:19:53 <Bike> Sgeo: shittiness isn't just a function of who complains about you, of course
19:20:02 <kmc> the daniel tosh thing was similar... people talked about it as if he made some clever edgy joke about rape that society just wasn't ready for
19:20:13 <kmc> actually there was a woman heckling him and he just said wouldn't it be great if she got raped
19:20:26 <hagb4rd_> <Bike>maybe the analogy to other horrible things would be like "i machete the shit out of my tutsi f5 key" or... something less forced <-- the tragedy here is not a scene of rape.. but problems woith the internet dude.. words are walking sticks.. and if you feel guilty for this in some way you can go and be the saviour for the girl next door.. i don't want to support this shit, just don't like this touch of overdriven and misplaced mor
19:20:30 <Bike> do people actually like tosh? from what i've seen he just runs Stupid Youtube Videos: The Show
19:20:45 <kmc> dunno, apparently at least one person went to his show
19:20:53 <Fiora> kmc: it's like how white dudes really, really, REALLY want to be able to say the n-word
19:21:02 <Fiora> and the fact that they can't is ~oppressino~
19:21:05 <Fiora> *oppression
19:21:09 <kmc> so yeah i think the conversation about "can rape jokes ever be funny" is really missing the point
19:21:15 <Bike> «Despite its popularity among males, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is one of the most subtly misandric show I have seen» speaking of which
19:21:17 <GreyKnight> it's a specific example, I guess, of how people can use particular bits of vocabulary to show how knowledgeable they are about something without actually needing to hold the relevant principles. "Privilege" as jargon is just one such vocabulary term.
19:21:27 <Fiora> Bike: oh god no XD
19:21:42 <kmc> GreyKnight: okay, i can see that
19:21:44 <hagb4rd_> greyknight absolutely
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19:21:48 <kmc> but do you think that's the case with this article
19:23:36 <Bike> i'm more concerned with assholes than with worrying about with people are just posing as academics, personally
19:24:54 <GreyKnight> I don't know, I haven't finished reading it. I was stream-of-consciousnessing my first impression into the channel because I'm tired and sick so I just do things :-)
19:25:01 <GreyKnight> consequences are for other people B-)
19:25:04 <kmc> ok, that's fair
19:25:10 <kmc> you're sick? :/
19:25:13 <kmc> don't die
19:25:18 <Bike> stop being sick right this minute sir
19:25:36 <GreyKnight> I got some virus before Christmas, then I got another one
19:25:46 <GreyKnight> spending Christmas day in bed is awesome fun :-|
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19:25:58 <GreyKnight> that reminds me I didn't open my presents yet
19:26:22 <Bike> what, it's already boxing day, you should be eating bangers and mash out of boxes by now
19:26:48 <kmc> i thought you're supposed to box a kangaroo
19:26:54 <kmc> or is that only in australia
19:27:08 <GreyKnight> maybe I can eat bangers and mash out of a kangaroo and cut out the middleman
19:27:18 <kmc> and i thought they smelled bad on the outside!
19:29:40 <GreyKnight> Sgeo: I agree with the observation that people seem to raise much more of an outcry over rape jokes than murder jokes (has ctrlaltdelete had a rape fiasco yet? That would be a test of this hypothesis). I don't know why though.
19:30:24 <hagb4rd_> damn, i missed my train following this conversation engaging the popularity of one asshole spitting empty words at another who made his luck writing some kind of infantile jokes
19:30:25 <Sgeo> Rape is a thing that happens to people, but so is murder (although it's not the victims who would be upset at murder jokes, but their loved ones)
19:30:27 <Fiora> GreyKnight: in a random sample of an american audience, 1 in 12 people will have been raped
19:30:42 <Fiora> so, if you make a rape joke in front of an audience, ~8% of those people will have experienced the thing you're joking about
19:30:48 <Sgeo> Fiora, holy crap
19:30:49 <Fiora> they may have PTSD flashbacks
19:31:00 <Fiora> nobody in that audience has been murdered.
19:31:29 <Fiora> hence why rape jokes are bad -- when you make them, there's a good cahnce some people listening /have been raped/
19:31:45 <Fiora> and you're mocking them, making them feel awful, and contributing to society trivializing their experience
19:32:00 <Fiora> whereas nobody trivializes murder
19:32:14 <Fiora> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0hy07rRzS1qcfypgo1_500.jpg <-- good example
19:32:32 <Sgeo> Fiora, very good point (except for "nobody trivializes murder", not sure if that's true)
19:32:36 <GreyKnight> <Fiora> nobody in that audience has been murdered <-- hmm I guess that is an obvious point
19:32:58 <Fiora> if your friend is murdered, most people will probably not go around saying he was a slut and it was his fault for wearing the wrong clothes
19:33:12 <Sgeo> Fiora, I thought you meant as in jokes trivializing it
19:33:13 <Fiora> i.e. people don't generally victim-blame for murder
19:33:19 <Fiora> well, it contributes to the whole thing
19:33:26 <GreyKnight> sgeo: Fiora means actual murders I think
19:33:46 <hagb4rd_> what the fuck are you talking about..god please stop
19:33:53 <Fiora> rape culture
19:34:02 <Fiora> http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_culture
19:34:04 <GreyKnight> (any CAD comic featuring P1 and P2 will demonstrate fictional trivialisation of murder)
19:34:23 <GreyKnight> hagb4rd_: elliott has more foresight than you :-U
19:34:27 <Sgeo> GreyKnight, ah... Can I go ahead and smack victim-blamers?
19:35:08 <Sgeo> Seriously, wasn't considering that ... actual people... blame the victims
19:35:08 <Sgeo> wtf
19:35:09 <Bike> okay, but, that's CAD
19:35:09 <hagb4rd_> please no.. not here.. this is a holy place droogies no :L
19:35:12 <kmc> there are too many of them, you can't smack them all
19:35:46 <Bike> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60JlM6ZXHc here is the important thing about cad.
19:36:21 <GreyKnight> basically unrelated but the guy on the right of that tumblr photograph looks like he's wearing only a T-shirt
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19:36:45 * GreyKnight guesses this is going to be about B^Uckley before clicking
19:36:55 <Bike> nope
19:37:04 <Bike> who's on that shirt?
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19:45:30 <GreyKnight> fungot: please give further information on esoteric: the boardgame
19:45:31 <fungot> GreyKnight: that's a lot). i found the merely very old version of chatzilla
19:46:39 <GreyKnight> fungot, I don't know if IRC integration is a great feature for a boardgame
19:46:40 <fungot> GreyKnight: there's a minority of mit undergrads who don't like me
19:46:56 <Bike> poor fungot :(
19:46:57 <fungot> Bike: i could ask my dad to give me the rock bottom answer
19:48:51 <fizzie> fungot: Have you written the script of "#esoteric: The Movie" yet?
19:48:52 <fungot> fizzie: i don't really know what that does
19:49:51 <kmc> elliott: did you find the answer to my question
19:50:03 <elliott> kmc: huh
19:50:06 <elliott> did lambdabot even notify me of a message
19:50:10 <elliott> i had forgotten it until now
19:50:44 <elliott> i will try to remember to figure it out in-between wasting lots of time
19:50:47 <kmc> ok
19:50:54 <kmc> ok thanks
19:51:57 <GreyKnight> so there is a movie, a documentary, and a boardgame in progress
19:51:57 <GreyKnight> what about a hit musical
19:52:34 <Deewiant> fungot: what about a hit musical
19:52:35 <fungot> Deewiant: in the music video theres this boy thats hot....
19:52:51 <kmc> sounds good to me
20:04:46 <zzo38> Do you think Christmas should be done by celebration on winter solstice instead?
20:05:31 <monqy> does this make it more or less convenient?&c
20:06:11 <shachaf> fungot
20:06:11 <fungot> shachaf: if you have an amount of 0?
20:06:18 <shachaf> fungot: yes
20:06:19 <fungot> shachaf: x fnord"), without specifying a character at a time. too much time
20:06:32 <shachaf> fungot: too much
20:06:32 <fungot> shachaf: i'd say the things that use it. you can choose not to attempt to retrieve the individual arguments from the direction the ip is
20:13:49 <GreyKnight> "by celebration" is a way of doing things and "on winter solstice" is a time, so I don't understand how these two aspects make a dichotomy
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21:02:58 <GreyKnight> I just nearly used "too" instead of "to" kill me now
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21:05:55 <fizzie> GreyKnight: I think that's a little to harsh too suggest.
21:06:15 <GreyKnight> also kill fizzie thx
21:15:09 <oerjan> GreyKnight: but if we kill you now you'll just go to grammar/spelling nazi hell, where you will be _forced_ to use words wrong all the time...
21:16:01 <GreyKnight> nooooe
21:16:46 <oerjan> like spelling no with an e
21:17:26 <fizzie> eNo, the electric no.
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21:52:35 <zzo38> I had idea of the chess variant where the number of different kind of pieces is exactly one googolplex, and the number of squares is also exactly one googolplex (this game is impossible to play within our universe, but may be possible to define).
21:53:48 <zzo38> A movement pattern is defined using a 10x10 grid of numbers 0 to 9, such that none are subsets (even trivial subsets) of others. A piece is defined by assigning one of ten modes to each possible movement pattern, such that there are no redundancies. (I am not exactly sure how to do this, but I have some ideas.)
21:56:11 <zzo38> Do you have any ideas related to this?
21:59:07 <GreyKnight> why not go the whole hog and have an infinite number of types of piece on an infinitely large board?
21:59:25 <GreyKnight> (it might even be easier to analyse)
21:59:45 <zzo38> Because I intend to make it exactly googolplex; so finite but very large.
22:02:48 <GreyKnight> well, what do you want to analyse about it?
22:05:20 <zzo38> At first, nothing; I only want to define it. Other analysis can be done later if it is wanted. To make the definition small enough, it is why I suggested something like the above pattern. Anyways if you are esoteric programming community we should know why we are doing it like this regardless of such things as analysis.
22:08:53 <GreyKnight> well I can see how to lay it out, it just doesn't seem like it will have very interesting properties (no offence)
22:10:23 <GreyKnight> so I was wondering if there was some property that you had in mind
22:10:36 <GreyKnight> (sometimes I miss things, it's true!)
22:13:08 <GreyKnight> One way to define piece types is to imagine the piece at the centre of a 19x19 region (i.e. 10 squares from the centre to each edge). Then you take all the possible combinations of having each square movable to and/or capturable to
22:13:23 <GreyKnight> (these can be independent: see FIDE pawns for instance)
22:14:07 <oerjan> > 10^10^100
22:14:12 <lambdabot> mueval: ExitFailure 1
22:14:12 <lambdabot> mueval: Prelude.undefined
22:14:41 <GreyKnight> that won't give a googolplex of piece types but if you restrict the symmetries of the movement pattern you might reach it
22:14:42 <oerjan> > 10^10^100 :: CReal
22:14:45 <lambdabot> mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
22:17:33 <GreyKnight> > 10^100
22:17:35 <lambdabot> 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000...
22:17:51 <GreyKnight> and the rest is an exercise for the reader
22:28:49 <GreyKnight> zzo38: if your imaginary "move region" has radius R (R=10 for my example above) and we assume that staying in the same spot is an invalid move, then there are 4^((2R+1)^2-1) possible piece types in the absence of symmetry constraints
22:30:06 <GreyKnight> er (2R-1)
22:32:10 <GreyKnight> so 4^(4R^2 - 4R) types I guess (what a pretty expression)
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22:39:54 <GreyKnight> zzo38: not sure what else to do with this really
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22:56:25 <zzo38> Yes, to think of symmetry too; I suggested to make that none are subsets of another, in order to ensure each is unique; but then all zeros must also correspond to some move pattern too, or if it doesn't, it can instead correspond to some other special feature of the piece; however it still require to be the case each piece different; but allowing a piece that stands still and does nothing is OK
22:57:08 <zzo38> I do intend null moves are invalid; however, a move that stays in the same spot might still affect other things on the board so it is not necessarily a null move.
23:00:36 <GreyKnight> what do you mean by null move in that case?
23:01:14 <zzo38> Null move is passing your turn.
23:01:29 <fizzie> All of Steam's "A game on your wishlist is on sale!" email notifications have so far proudly boasted "0% off!", not exactly the best deal I've heard of.
23:02:14 <GreyKnight> how is a move that keeps the piece in the same spot different from a null move? That is how I would have defined "null move".
23:02:23 <GreyKnight> fizzie: at least it's not negative?
23:02:42 <fizzie> I suppose I should take solace in that.
23:04:03 <zzo38> GreyKnight: I mean such things as rifle moves and so on may be difference from null moves.
23:04:43 <GreyKnight> rifle moves?
23:07:00 <GreyKnight> I don't know what that is but I am imagining chess where the pieces have firearms
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23:10:48 <zzo38> I mean a move that you can remove another piece from the board even though the piece capturing it stays in its same place.
23:14:55 <GreyKnight> hm well my above formula didn't take such moves into account
23:18:14 <GreyKnight> you could break it down by a move consisting of two subparts: capturing a piece from one of some set of squares, and moving to one of some set of squares (not necessarily the same set), or just moving to some set of squares (possibly a different set again)
23:18:22 <GreyKnight> so 8^ rather than 4^ I guess?
23:18:53 <GreyKnight> only the middle of those three sets needs to allow the current square as valid
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23:23:43 <GreyKnight> fungot nooooo
23:30:13 <fizzie> Oh, no.
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23:31:21 <fizzie> fungot: Oh, yay!
23:31:22 <monqy> welcome back fungot
23:31:22 <fungot> fizzie: xor is a trick, but it's
23:31:22 <fungot> monqy: what's the difference between
23:31:28 * GreyKnight hugs fungot
23:31:29 <fungot> GreyKnight: or check srfi-0 ( or srfi-7) ( begin (
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23:42:30 <fizzie> fungot: Are you actually written in Scheme, and all that Funge-98 code is just a sham?
23:42:31 <fungot> fizzie: i can calculate the new guess, and compare that to the binding of unquote as was bound by ( lambda ( x k')
23:43:15 <GreyKnight> the funge code actually just shells out to run a scheme interpreter
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23:52:48 <oerjan> well if thutubot can shell out to lambdabot...
23:54:59 <GreyKnight> FR: bot that just forwards requests to another channel and takes input from users there for its responses
23:55:55 <Bike> it's called a "bridge"
23:56:05 <monqy> fr bot that's just a person in a cardboard box
23:56:10 <nooodl> me
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23:56:21 <Bike> !help
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23:56:33 <Bike> holy shit you changed nicks
23:56:35 <elliott> nooodl: requesting proof of cardboard box residence
23:57:49 <GreyKnight> ChineseRoomBot
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23:58:14 <nooodl> elliott: i'm belgian
23:58:34 <nooodl> everyone in belgium lives in a cardboard box (don't look that up, trust me,)
23:59:25 <GreyKnight> this seems legit
23:59:26 <monqy> what do you do when it rains
23:59:39 <nooodl> turn it upside down
23:59:51 <monqy> now both sides are soggy
23:59:53 <GreyKnight> In belgium it rains chocolate
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