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00:22:48 <oren> hello!
00:23:31 <oerjan> top of the night to you!
00:23:41 <shachaf> hi oerjan
00:24:02 <shachaf> oerjan: shocking prediction: hel's vote will be in the direction of a tie hth
00:24:10 <oerjan> *GASP*
00:24:28 <oerjan> it _would_ be rather useless to show up otherwise
00:24:41 <shachaf> stories have so much selection bias :'(
00:24:50 <oerjan> my far out prediction obviously failed
00:25:15 <oerjan> now we may wonder what happens with a tie.
00:25:37 <oerjan> given they were an odd number without Hel, it's probably not common.
00:26:10 <shachaf> presumably the twelve gods run into that more frequently
00:26:21 <oerjan> another thought: we haven't seen belkar's body, which means by ancient trope we cannot assume he's dead yet.
00:26:26 <oerjan> shachaf: tru dat
00:27:00 <oerjan> perhaps he shows up in the next comic to get blasted into atoms
00:27:14 <oerjan> or thaums
00:27:41 <oerjan> i guess there are atoms, given redcloak's chemisty knowledge
00:28:34 <oerjan> oots _does_ have pretty explicit narrative causality
00:28:57 <oerjan> so "selection bias" is not unexpected
00:31:08 <oerjan> shachaf: interestingly, they might have been in better shape if they _hadn't_ given veldrina a lift
00:31:34 <oerjan> because the western p. voted yes
00:32:09 <shachaf> that's an astute p.
00:32:38 <oerjan> although narrative causality would probably have messed up any attempt to make her get too late
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00:33:21 <boily> @metar CYUL
00:33:21 <lambdabot> CYUL 210000Z 15013KT 15SM BKN085 BKN150 28/19 A2983 RMK AC6AC1 SLP100 DENSITY ALT 1700FT
00:33:22 <oerjan> my far out prediction btw was that hel _wanted_ a no result and would swing it that way
00:33:41 <oerjan> because it had a better chance of _total_ disaster
00:34:01 <shachaf> oerjan: how does chemistry work in olistworld anyway twh
00:34:21 <oerjan> shachaf: well you have titanium elementals...
00:34:42 <shachaf> 296 refers to an ideal gas
00:34:50 <shachaf> but maybe that's in the same spirit as "nuking from orbit"
00:34:56 <shachaf> presumably there's no orbit in oland?
00:34:58 <oren> and chlorine elementals
00:34:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Grocery List]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43835&oldid=37037 * Nooodl * (+201) add interpreter
00:35:36 <mauris> i love implementing boring languages
00:35:41 <oerjan> shachaf: i'm not sure it's established the world is actually flat
00:36:34 <oerjan> in fact wasn't it shown as round in some of the snarl story
00:37:09 <shachaf> that's true
00:37:10 <oerjan> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0275.html
00:37:32 <shachaf> that's true
00:37:36 <oren> yay my laptop is on the way
00:37:38 <shachaf> and the world within the world was also round
00:39:31 <oerjan> actually the comment there about the snarl not grasping the plan could point to destroying the world again maybe being more dangerous if it's got smarter...
00:39:50 * oerjan wonders if that line is parseable by humans
00:40:26 <boily> hellørjan. speaking in tongues? harbouring the Spirit of Fungot?
00:40:32 <boily> @massages-loud
00:40:33 <lambdabot> olsner said 3h 54m 6s ago: ah, the mother modem, that is swedish and hilariously wrong
00:40:50 <oerjan> *actually the comment there, about the snarl not grasping the plan, could mean that destroying the world _again_ could be more dangerous, if it's got smarter...
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00:44:16 <boily> like the Old Chinese Proverb says, "oic".
00:51:09 <izabera> http://nic.vodka/
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01:00:36 <boily> izbellora.
01:00:48 <boily> there are vodka TLDs now?
01:00:52 <izabera> apparently
01:01:10 <boily> and I always manage to typo your porthello some way or another. sorry.
01:01:39 <izabera> it's fine boillory
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01:12:07 <oren> hizabera!
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01:16:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Sclipting]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43836 * 218.102.194.114 * (+40) Created page with "==Issues== What about Kana and Bopomofo?"
01:16:09 <oren> ooh, my new credit card is going to be black. who decides whcih colors are better anyway
01:16:49 <oren> They should make credit cards in FF00FF
01:19:19 <oren> Or transparent! yah. they should make semitransparent purple credit cards like the GBA
01:27:33 <izabera> what does this piece of assembly do? test cl, cl jne label
01:28:36 <izabera> does it ever jump?
01:34:53 <izabera> challenge of the night: write a program that takes two strings and outputs a brainfuck program that replaces str1 with str2
01:42:29 <oren> jne means jump if ZF is 0
01:42:55 <oren> test sets ZF to 1 iff the two argumnets ANDed is 0
01:43:18 <oren> hence this would jump iff cl is zero
01:43:27 <izabera> oooh
01:43:27 <oren> s/is/isn't/
01:43:31 <izabera> oooh
01:43:47 <izabera> thank you, i didn't know the and part
02:04:11 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/lu9wz7i.png
02:04:16 <izabera> how do i stop this
02:04:17 <izabera> politely
02:05:37 <oren> stop watching mietek?
02:06:03 <izabera> is that polite?
02:06:29 <izabera> what will he think? x.x
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02:42:19 <zzo38> I found some webpage that tries to analyze your writing style and tell you what author you are writing like but it isn't very consistent and keep telling different answer. How would you classify my writing styles though?
02:42:46 <zzo38> (I pasted in several chapters from level20.tex and got many different answers.)
02:43:11 <izabera> same input same output, at least?
02:44:53 <zzo38> Yes, if the same input is given several times, it does give the same output each time too.
02:45:28 <izabera> are you a native english speaker?
02:45:58 <zzo38> Yes, but it is Canadian English
03:06:02 <mauris> zzo38: lots of your sentences are subtly ungrammatical, so your writing style is very recognizable to me.
03:08:23 <mauris> for example, in that line of yours, i think most english speakers would write: "tell you" -> "tells you", "keep telling different answer" -> "keeps telling different answers"; and consider your versions incorrect
03:11:57 <oren> i assumed that zzo38 was a second-generation immigrant, e.g. taught english by non-native speakers
03:14:53 <izabera> how is mine?
03:15:48 <zzo38> No I was born in British Columbia and lived here all of my lifetime so far (although I have occasionally been to a few other places). Apparently they spoke to me in other languages too but now I forgot, and I speak and write English instead.
03:17:23 <oerjan> i don't think zzo38's grammar was wrong in that line; the "tries to" can scope over all the verbs, which means they can be infinitives
03:17:52 <oerjan> hm wait
03:18:07 <mauris> oerjan, either way "*different answer" needs either an article or a plural though
03:18:08 <oerjan> the "tell" works, but not the "keep"
03:18:17 <mauris> but yeah, the "tell" does work!
03:18:43 <oren> Right, but your parents are from another country correct? You have a "residual accent".
03:19:41 <zzo38> My grandparents are from other countries
03:22:28 <oren> hmm, I haven't heard of an accent goig down three generations before. interesting
03:24:36 <oren> you tend to skip plurals and verb agreement basically
03:24:46 <mauris> i don't think zzo38's manner of writing is an ESL-related thing!
03:25:21 <oerjan> i don't want to assume too much
03:26:39 <oren> One of my friends' parents are from russia and because of that he has verb agreement and plurals, but he never puts in any articles when he talks
03:27:38 <oerjan> however, i've seen some evidence that zzo38's writing used to be a _lot_ weirder, years ago (before he came to this channel)
03:28:00 <oren> so basically zzo38 has a residue from a language with articles (or at least a similar distinction), but no verb agreement or plural?
03:28:47 <oerjan> his spelling used to be weird too, not any more
03:31:01 <mauris> zzo38: do you remember why you used to spell the way you did?
03:32:00 <zzo38> mauris: I don't know. But what I do know is that much of that stuff (whether or not it is spelled properly) is full of imposters or confusing someone with someone else, but not all of it is (some is authentic) and I do not know why; sorry.
03:32:41 <mauris> yeah, i always wondered if it was in error, or if you were advocating some kind of phonetic spelling of English
03:33:11 <zzo38> Well, sorry I just do not know! Although it is true that English has not very good spelling compared to other languages
03:33:22 <zzo38> If you have read my level20.tex and other stuff then how would it be called as the writing style I write with, compare to other author's writing, etc?
03:35:21 <mauris> zzo38: could you render the current level20.tex to pdf and upload it somewhere? i don't have a TeX renderer on hand, and reading raw .tex code is confusing sometimes :(
03:37:13 <zzo38> I could; I think this computer has dvi to pdf converter (it comes with TeX), so I will just put it in the same directory as the .tex and .dvi files I suppose.
03:39:39 <zzo38> OK, I have done that
03:40:09 <mauris> cool! can you link the file?
03:41:33 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex the .dvi and .pdf are also in the same directory (if you want the source files, you also need dungeonsrecording.tex in the same directory)
03:43:40 <zzo38> (There is also level20.trope in the same directory, although it may not be very good; it and the corresponding All The Tropes article could both be improved; actually level20.tex itself could even be improved too)
03:44:10 <mauris> i can't help but wonder how to pronounce Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe
03:46:09 <zzo38> I don't know either, but I tried anyways and can do nearly approximately. (Note that this is mentioned in the tropes article/RDF too)
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05:00:23 <zzo38> Is it possible to make blinking text with CSS animations? And then I could add a global CSS rule to fix the <BLINK> command?
05:09:03 <Sgeo> This architecture has a 16-bit A (used for memory addresses and loading constants) register. The instruction set allows for setting A directly with 15-bit numbers (16-bit instruction set, MSB=0 means put the rest of the instruction into A), and memory chips in this have 14-bit addresses (I think)
05:10:51 <Sgeo> Haven't actually assembled CPU so maybe they'll surprise me and use two RAM16Ks, but it would have been easier to build a RAM32K (which I'm not being asked to do)
05:12:54 <zzo38> What instruction set is that?
05:14:49 <Sgeo> The Hack CPU defined by The Elements of Computing Systems, http://nand2tetris.org/chapters/chapter%2004.pdf
05:15:06 <Sgeo> Start reading from 4.2.2
05:15:23 <Sgeo> page 8 of the PDF
05:22:08 <Sgeo> Oh probably for memory-mapped IO
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06:25:33 <int-e> `learn Soap is the main ingredient for the iridiscent visions that internet startups sell to investors.
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06:26:08 <int-e> (it's cheap. see also: bubble -- but I have no good definition for the latter yet)
06:27:53 <Walpurgisnacht> Hi int-e
06:28:19 <int-e> `` sed -i s/iridiscent/iridescent/ wisdom/soap # *sigh*
06:29:00 <int-e> wait.
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06:29:13 <int-e> hackego is online, but not here...
06:29:16 <Walpurgisnacht> Mm
06:29:34 <Walpurgisnacht> Get em to join or do you not have the perm
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06:32:43 <stalem> you guys know how often oerjan is around?
06:33:20 <Walpurgisnacht> haven't been on in awhile so id say for myself he's on pretTy regularly
06:33:28 <Walpurgisnacht> Unless he died then in which case rip
06:33:45 <stalem> heh ok thanks
06:33:55 <int-e> Every day, but he has a fairly unpredictable sleep schedule.
06:34:05 <stalem> don't we all?
06:34:20 <int-e> he was there 3 hours ago
06:34:23 <Walpurgisnacht> I'm fixin mine up
06:34:52 <stalem> 3 hrs ago? is he a bat?
06:35:05 <Walpurgisnacht> He's an esoteric meme
06:35:13 <Walpurgisnacht> And I think he'd be on later
06:35:20 <int-e> I did write "unpredictable sleep schedule" for a reason.
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06:36:16 <stalem> true, it's just i live a time zone hour before him and being up at that time. not that i should be talking tho
06:36:57 <stalem> mastering the 20 minute nap would be convenient however
06:38:08 <int-e> Oh well, I used to follow an approximate 26 hour rhythm when I was a student...
06:38:49 <myname> stalem: afaik it is horrible if you delay one sleep time for even 15 minutes
06:39:37 <Flonk> I tried uberman for a month
06:39:38 <stalem> that's pretty much what i do now and i don't seem to be able to get rid of it. it's like i'm pavloved into a noncircadian rhythm. how did you get out of it?
06:39:41 <Flonk> It was horrible
06:39:56 <stalem> myname: yeah you wake up feeling all mushy
06:40:44 <int-e> stalem: external pressure (i.e., a job).
06:41:45 <stalem> int-e: in time then! maybe it's just me but i do find it somewhat a challenge even applying for jobs when you're not following a 24hr schedule
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07:31:32 <zzo38> I fixed the <BLINK> command in the new version of Firefox by writing the userContent.css file to fix it.
07:32:39 <zzo38> blink { animation: __blink 1s infinite; } @keyframes __blink { from {} 50% {visibility: hidden;} to {visibility: hidden;} }
07:36:46 <izabera> y u do dis ;-;
07:37:37 <myname> by fixed you meant disabled?
07:38:20 <zzo38> But "text-decoration: blink" still doesn't work. How do you make CSS selectors to select based on the styles that have been applied to an element?
07:39:04 <zzo38> myname: I mean I fixed it so that the text will blink if inside of <blink>...</blink>
07:39:14 <myname> gross
07:40:15 <zzo38> Anyone who want to use also can easily customize the blinking speed, currently it is set to 1 second
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08:08:52 <Taneb> Good morning
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09:34:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pada]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43837&oldid=17354 * Martin Büttner * (-225) Minor language change after email conversation with the original author. Commands will no longer be pipelined through the system but processed one at a time.
09:37:15 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pada]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43838&oldid=43837 * Martin Büttner * (-26)
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11:17:09 <boily> int-e: int-ello! the soap is documented and online.
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12:56:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * Undergroundmonorail * uploaded "[[File:Rainbow-pb.png]]": An example input/output of rainbow.pb.
13:00:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pb]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=43840 * Undergroundmonorail * (+5928) page created
13:03:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43841&oldid=43828 * Undergroundmonorail * (+9) added pb
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13:31:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pada]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43842&oldid=43838 * Martin Büttner * (+125)
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15:11:12 * oerjan snores in stalem's general direction
15:11:43 * stalem borks back at oerjan
15:12:07 <oerjan> stalem: i'm a little unsure exactly how you define quine
15:12:10 <stalem> lemme just do the dishes and i'll be back in 10
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15:14:31 <oerjan> oh wait you mean never changes from step to step?
15:14:37 <stalem> indeed
15:14:43 <stalem> i was just about to write it :P
15:14:53 <oerjan> hm then the TC objection doesn't hold
15:15:06 <oerjan> that was more for, "returns back to the same eventually"
15:15:25 <stalem> yeah that much i know it does, but iirc they were called oscillators
15:15:44 <stalem> imho that would be a program that generates a program that eventually generates the original program (a cool idea btw)
15:16:23 <oerjan> iterated quines are a thing
15:16:59 <stalem> i see. well in any case i meant a sequence that doesn't change from step to step. an unmodified yet modified sequence
15:17:56 <stalem> by iterated quines, do you mean code that generates sources in other languages which eventually comes back or does just using one language count?
15:18:14 <oerjan> i think one language counts, although polyglots are cooler...
15:18:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ResPlicate]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43843&oldid=43785 * Stalem * (+19) clarification
15:21:26 <stalem> i must say i agree. by any chance would you mind taking a look at my thoughts on the 2 2 ... 2 sequences?
15:21:28 <oerjan> > let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f"let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f"0
15:21:30 <lambdabot> No instance for (Integral [Char]) arising from a use of ‘f’
15:21:30 <lambdabot> In the expression:
15:21:30 <lambdabot> f "let f n s=var$s++show(succ n`mod`3)++show s in f" 0
15:21:33 <oerjan> darn
15:21:41 <oerjan> oops wrong order
15:22:50 <oerjan> > let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"0
15:22:52 <lambdabot> let f s n=var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3) in f"let f s n=var$s++show s++sh...
15:22:59 <stalem> neat
15:23:04 <oerjan> oh come on lambdabot
15:23:42 <stalem> i'll leave you two to it while i fetch some food :P
15:24:20 <oerjan> damn i cannot use lambda because string escape
15:24:28 <oerjan> or wait
15:24:55 <oerjan> > (\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"(\\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"0
15:24:57 <lambdabot> (\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n`mod`3))"(\\s n->var$s++show s++show(succ n...
15:25:33 <oerjan> int-e: lambdabot is far too succinct these days
15:29:00 <stalem> owell, i think i got your point anyway :P
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15:41:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ResPlicate]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43844&oldid=43843 * Quintopia * (-187) The rest of this section has been treating the all-twos period 1 oscillator as a known and obvious fact.
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15:45:04 <oerjan> aww
15:45:11 <oerjan> @tell stalem aww
15:45:11 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:46:25 <oerjan> quintopia: harsh man
15:47:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ResPlicate]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43845&oldid=43844 * Quintopia * (+135)
15:48:09 <quintopia> oerjan: i just read the proof and it actually proves these are the only period 1 oscillators. Which is interesting. i'm leaving the link.,
15:48:21 <oerjan> @tell stalem the interesting part is that those are the only ones
15:48:21 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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15:53:25 <oerjan> i'm not quite sure skipping the 0 \/ part is _quite_ that easy to justify
15:53:32 <oerjan> but it's probably right, anyway
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16:06:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ResPlicate]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43846&oldid=43845 * Stalem * (-97) dead link
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16:33:26 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Pada]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=43847&oldid=43842 * Martin Büttner * (+5) Add newline to Hello World
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17:59:20 <Typical> hello
18:00:11 <Typical> hello?
18:01:14 <zzo38> Hello, what do you want please?
18:01:35 <Typical> i just wanted to check the channel
18:01:47 <zzo38> O, OK
18:02:14 <Typical> ok i lied
18:02:31 <Typical> i have idea of esoteric programming language
18:02:37 <zzo38> OK. What idea is it?
18:03:29 <Typical> to have only one symbol, count symbols, convert from unary to binary and do something like chicken
18:03:38 <Typical> but i saw this page um wait
18:03:47 <Typical> this http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC
18:04:11 <Typical> but it was unclear for me and i dont know if its the same or not
18:04:58 <Typical> could you
18:05:10 <Typical> tell me if you know
18:06:16 <zzo38> I think it is not the same
18:06:32 <Typical> thanks
18:06:46 <zzo38> OISC is a instruction set with one instruction (usually with one or more operands), but what you describe is different
18:07:42 <Typical> thanks, so i will try to write what i described
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18:22:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Typical Username * New user account
18:23:41 <Typical> i made this account
18:24:17 <Typical> to prevent stealing my probably not that awesome idea
18:24:21 <quintopia> Please do not write a clone of Unary. Or Ook. Or AAAAAAA!!! or whatever. Make yours stand out somehow.
18:25:23 <Typical> i have to check what is unary
18:26:57 <Typical> nooooooo, its i as i guessed before before
18:28:40 <Typical> someone invented my idea before
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18:29:24 <Typical> thanks @quintopia , at least i didnt not waste my time
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18:32:39 <quintopia> you could hang around
18:32:50 <quintopia> spend some time wiki walking
18:33:02 <quintopia> not everything has been done before
18:34:10 <Typical> i really did
18:36:52 <Typical> not everything has been done before but most of the things that i can and want have
18:38:03 <quintopia> did you look at the list of ideas? none of them interest you?
18:38:16 <quintopia> people
18:38:30 <quintopia> are you a good programmer at all?
18:49:25 <Typical> im not good programmer
18:49:34 <Typical> could you tell me where i can find this list?
18:52:24 <quintopia> there is a link on the wiki's front page
18:55:23 <Typical> yay i found it, thanks
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20:33:36 <zzo38> How to make a break signal with xterm?
20:33:38 <carado> greetings !
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20:34:28 <ais523> zzo38: I'm not convinced that a pseudoterminal, which is how xterm implements its terminal, has a break signal
20:34:39 <ais523> the ioctl says that it only works on a serial terminal
20:34:56 <ais523> however, by default the terminal settings are set up so that a break sends SIGINT and control-C also sends SIGINT
20:35:10 <ais523> so if the terminal configuration is at its default, pressing control-C will do the same thing as a break
20:37:05 <zzo38> I am using a program that I have to change it though
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20:46:47 <zzo38> Actually I fixed my program now
20:47:08 <zzo38> But still why it shouldn't be allow with pseudoterminals?
20:48:13 <ais523> zzo38: it's because a break is basically the name for mis-encoded data on a serial wire
20:48:24 <ais523> so according to the ioctl docs, it only works on serial terminals
20:48:41 <ais523> it doesn't work on the ctrl-alt-f1 terminal or pseudoterminals, because those aren't using serial communications internally, and so can't have misencoded data
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21:05:56 <zzo38> It looks to me that all features of Z-machine other than sounds and joystick can be implemented using xterm and termios functions; even some of the functions of xterm would help much with it; but many of these are newer features of xterm than had existed in Infocom's times (did xterm even exist at all in their time?)
21:12:08 <fizzie> xterm: "Initial release: 1984; 31 years ago"; Infocom: "Founded: MIT (June 22, 1979); Defunct: May 5, 1989".
21:12:13 <fizzie> Some overlap there.
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23:00:34 <oerjan> boihly
23:00:47 <boily> bœrjansoir!
23:01:56 <shachaf> hi boily
23:02:00 <boily> hellochaf!
23:02:04 <shachaf> when's the new olist coming out
23:02:11 <boily> new olist?
23:02:25 <boily> as in, the list itself is changing?
23:03:02 <oerjan> shachaf: did you get 999 twh
23:03:57 <shachaf> Get?
23:04:00 <fizzie> `run perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper([ "" =~ /()|()/g ]);' # it makes perfect sense, but somehow I wasn't expecting it
23:04:10 <oerjan> become aware of
23:04:28 <fizzie> ...
23:04:37 <oerjan> fizzie: annoying, isn't it?
23:04:40 <fizzie> Yes.
23:05:03 <shachaf> oerjan: have you forgotten my shocking prediction
23:05:13 <oerjan> which one
23:05:21 <shachaf> about the tie
23:05:25 <boily> fizziello. what does that perl do?
23:06:13 <oerjan> fizzie: what you need to do is implement a command so anyone can make HackEgo rejoin twh
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23:06:47 <shachaf> what you need to do is implement a command so anyone can run arbitrary code as root on the machine HackEgo is running on twh
23:07:01 <fizzie> `run perl -MData::Dumper -e 'print Dumper([ "" =~ /()|()/g ]);'
23:07:05 <HackEgo> ​$VAR1 = [ \ '', \ undef \ ];
23:07:19 <fizzie> I mean, it couldn't be anything else. But I still somehow expected both to be ''.
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23:07:55 <shachaf> I don't know enough Perl to know the meaning here.
23:08:30 <oerjan> more shocking prediction: the tie causes all the gods to start fighting, creating a new rift that swallows belkar hth
23:10:14 <oerjan> most shocking prediction: rich burlew ends oots next strip.
23:10:29 <oerjan> "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T EXPECT IT"
23:11:06 <oerjan> "I GOT THE IDEA FROM MY FRIEND TAILSTEAK"
23:11:20 <fizzie> shachaf: It's just saying that matching ()|() to an empty string and then asking for the captured groups gives an empty string for the first group, and an undef for the second.
23:11:47 <shachaf> oerjan: DANGER
23:11:48 <shachaf> http://rlv.zcache.co.uk/svc/view?design=a9643add-8fab-453e-b62d-7a38397bd220&max_dim=512
23:12:22 <oerjan> yep, that's clearly the kind of tie being gone for here
23:13:13 <shachaf> fizzie: OK, so that's like matchin "a" with /^(a)|(a)$/ ?
23:13:15 <shachaf> g
23:13:33 <shachaf> Or is it only surprising with empty strings?
23:14:25 <shachaf> /!\ DANGER /!\
23:15:05 <shachaf> oerjan: well, we already got a happy ending
23:15:24 <shachaf> oerjan: so at this point olist is superfluous
23:15:44 * oerjan suddenly realizes two of the webcomics he follows are drawn by richs
23:15:47 <shachaf> not merely fluous like it was before 887
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23:16:18 <oerjan> shachaf: are there any oracle predictions not fulfilled yet...
23:16:38 <shachaf> oerjan: but how many of them got >$1e7 for their comics
23:16:56 <shachaf> oops, 1e6
23:16:56 <oerjan> ooh
23:17:11 <oerjan> PROBABLY AT MOST ONE
23:18:20 <fizzie> shachaf: It only surprised me with empty strings, because I was expecting the unmatched groups to return empty strings.
23:25:21 <oerjan> does the place they're in now count as durkon's dwarven homelands? if not, that part hasn't been fulfilled.
23:25:41 <oerjan> he's posthumous, but in the wrong place.
23:28:14 <shachaf> oerjan: there was also that other prophecy
23:28:53 <ais523> shachaf: the one about belkar
23:29:03 <ais523> hasn't been fulfilled on-camera yet
23:29:12 <ais523> and elan's happy ending cannot happen until the end, by definition
23:29:25 <shachaf> ais523: We've already had a happy ending.
23:29:35 <ais523> shachaf: I don't think that one counts
23:29:46 <shachaf> ais523: It's titled "Happy Ending"
23:29:58 <shachaf> Anyway, I was talking about the prophecy where Durkon "would bring death and destruction upon his people"
23:30:02 <ais523> shachaf: that one definitely doesn't count, because (spoilers) it didn't actually happen
23:30:14 <ais523> shachaf: that one wasn't an oracle prophecy
23:30:18 <shachaf> ais523: It happened from Elan's perspective.
23:30:32 <ais523> no it didn't, in fact Elan realised it wasn't real
23:30:33 <shachaf> ais523: Oh, right, oerjan did specify "oracle".
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23:30:49 <shachaf> None of this comic strip is real.
23:30:56 <ais523> wasn't canon, then
23:31:07 <ais523> i.e. wasn't real from an in-story perspective
23:31:31 <shachaf> It was real from the perspective of Elan. Later he realized that it wasn't "real" from outside the phantasm, but he still experienced it.
23:31:42 <shachaf> He got everything he wanted.
23:32:10 <shachaf> I don't really buy the whole "real" and "not real" business.
23:33:23 <shachaf> Smullyan talks about this in one of his books. I think _5000 B.C._
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