←2015-12-31 2016-01-01 2016-01-02→ ↑2016 ↑all
00:00:09 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, I thought that \<space> was an escape code
00:00:20 <oerjan> no, it's just what HackEgo uses for output
00:00:38 <hppavilion[1]> `` echo "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492
00:00:42 <HackEgo> No output.
00:00:46 <hppavilion[1]> `1492
00:00:47 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied
00:00:48 <b_jonas> Happy new year, +0 timezone people!
00:00:52 <hppavilion[1]> Didn't expect that to work
00:00:56 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: psst, you could use `cp
00:01:11 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yes, I could, but I'm stupid
00:01:19 <hppavilion[1]> Perhaps I have to `touch bin/1492?
00:01:24 <hppavilion[1]> `touch bin/1492
00:01:25 <HackEgo> No output.
00:01:33 <hppavilion[1]> `` echo "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492
00:01:34 <HackEgo> No output.
00:01:37 <hppavilion[1]> `1492
00:01:38 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied
00:01:42 <hppavilion[1]> Ok, I give up
00:01:45 <hppavilion[1]> xD
00:02:25 <Taneb> Happy near yew
00:02:31 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: "chmod" hth
00:02:38 <hppavilion[1]> `` chmod "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, flat world!\" ; fi" > bin/1492
00:02:40 <HackEgo> chmod: missing operand after `#!/bin/sh ; if [ 2016 != bash ] ; then echo "Hello, flat world!" ; fi' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
00:02:50 <hppavilion[1]> `` chmod bin/1492 "#!/bin/sh ; if [ $(date +%Y) != "$(basename "$0")" ] ; then echo \"Hello, flat world!\" ; fi"
00:02:51 * oerjan swats hppavilion[1] -----###
00:02:51 <HackEgo> chmod: invalid mode: `bin/1492' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
00:03:01 <hppavilion[1]> `chmod --help
00:03:02 <HackEgo> Usage: chmod [OPTION]... MODE[,MODE]... FILE... \ or: chmod [OPTION]... OCTAL-MODE FILE... \ or: chmod [OPTION]... --reference=RFILE FILE... \ Change the mode of each FILE to MODE. \ \ -c, --changes like verbose but report only when a change is made \ --no-preserve-root do not treat `/' specially (the default) \ --pr
00:03:04 <oerjan> chmod is the command for setting file permissions.
00:03:09 <hppavilion[1]> Oooooooooooooooh
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00:03:24 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: See, I'm an idiot. You must keep that in mind.
00:03:36 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: So here's an idea for an EsOS: OO Filesystem
00:03:50 <hppavilion[1]> Instead of files, you have instances based on classes.
00:04:33 <hppavilion[1]> Not sure how methods work though.
00:04:47 <oerjan> `` cp bin/{2015,1492}
00:04:49 <HackEgo> No output.
00:05:03 <oerjan> `` 2015; 1492
00:05:03 <hppavilion[1]> `1492
00:05:06 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/1492: cannot execute: Permission denied
00:05:06 <HackEgo> Hello, world! \ bash: /hackenv/bin/1492: Permission denied
00:05:11 <oerjan> argh
00:05:14 <oerjan> hm
00:05:22 <hppavilion[1]> :)
00:05:32 <oerjan> `` rm bin/1492; cp bin/{2015,1492}
00:05:35 <HackEgo> No output.
00:05:40 <oerjan> `1492
00:05:41 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
00:06:08 <oerjan> stupidly, cp only transfers permissions when the file doesn't already exist
00:06:09 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: See, but the world is flat, remember?
00:06:23 * oerjan swats hppavilion[1] -----###
00:06:36 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I KNOW
00:06:40 <hppavilion[1]> THAT'S THE JOKE
00:06:45 <oerjan> O KAY
00:07:25 <oerjan> a dead unicorn trope if there ever was one
00:07:29 <shachaf> that joke fell flatter than they beieved the world was
00:07:37 <shachaf> l
00:07:46 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: So OO fsys? What do you think? Or is there a better idea??
00:08:13 <b_jonas> `? moon
00:08:15 <HackEgo> The Moon is an unprovable celestial object that is not very retroreflectorey.
00:08:17 <b_jonas> `? year
00:08:18 <HackEgo> year? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:08:41 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i see OO and immediately run away hth
00:08:54 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: But good OO. Not Javic OO.
00:09:22 <hppavilion[1]> An OS where the filesystem need not be based on a file tree; you can customize it to your every whim
00:09:55 <oerjan> i'm sure i had that idea > 20 years ago
00:10:03 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Do you have a more eso- ide?
00:10:06 <hppavilion[1]> *idea
00:10:21 <hppavilion[1]> One that's actually something people might want to use?
00:10:36 <oerjan> OXYMORON DETECTED
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00:11:06 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Eso /= bad for use
00:11:13 <hppavilion[1]> Haskell is eso, remember
00:11:41 <oerjan> O KAY excuse me i'm reading tvtropes again
00:14:20 <boily> darn. was transfering pictures from my camera, and a missed a live swatting.
00:14:30 <boily> s/and a/and I/
00:14:56 <boily> hppavellon[1]. Haskell isn't eso, it's categorically eso.
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00:20:23 <boily> gamellomanj. when are you?
00:20:33 <gamemanj> Happy new year too, boily. :)
00:21:45 <gamemanj> I'm actually in GMT, but A. my clock seems to be off (forgot to install NTPd here...) and B. I only recently thought to start distributing Happy New Year messages
00:24:00 <oerjan> Yappy hue nair
00:24:56 <gamemanj> Appy kitten ear!
00:24:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[4]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46058&oldid=42712 * Vriskanon * (+0) Changed Grid co-ordinates such that 0,0 is top left, rather than bottom left.
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00:50:41 <Taneb> I don't really feel like staying up super really late like I normally do
00:54:35 <boily> Happy Tanew yearb!
00:55:40 <shachaf> Taneb: Haneb
01:05:04 <zzo38> How many other people will write comment to my card
01:06:14 <boily> hezzo38. you have a card?
01:06:38 <zzo38> Yes I made up many Magic: the Gathering cards, including some new ones recently
01:08:53 <shachaf> I don't use htdigest so I can't comment.
01:09:01 <shachaf> If you had a regular account registration system I might use it.
01:09:01 <zzo38> It is available in three formats (plain text, SQLite database, and a webpage), but to send comment you will need the account; tell me the account by private message and then I will put it in. The realm for the account is CustomMTG_zzo38
01:09:35 <zzo38> You can also just tell me the password by private message and I will do myself is another way, although it is recommended to make the MD5 calculation yourself instead.
01:11:46 <zzo38> I can add a form to make the MD5 hash of your account automatically if you have JavaScripts.
01:20:59 <zzo38> OK, now there is a form to do it
01:21:38 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/mtg/cardfile.php
01:22:58 <zzo38> Now are you able to do it? Now it can be done by form.
01:43:06 <tswett> So here's that Magic card: http://mtgcardsmith.com/view/magic-magnet
01:43:58 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Enchanted... enchantment? Wut?
01:44:07 <tswett> Yup.
01:44:13 <tswett> You enchant enchantments.
01:44:37 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: But... but... but...
01:44:42 <hppavilion[1]> THAT MAKES NO SENSE
01:45:11 <zzo38> Why it makes no sense?
01:45:15 <izabera> yo dawg i heard you like enchantments
01:45:31 <tswett> Say, here's a question.
01:45:47 <tswett> Suppose a card says this: "When this card enters the battlefield, it becomes red until end of turn."
01:45:54 <tswett> It enters the battlefield, but leaves before the ability resolves.
01:46:11 <tswett> Nothing becomes red, right?
01:46:14 <zzo38> Then I think nothing happens; that object no longer exists.
01:46:18 <tswett> Right.
01:52:07 <boily> impermanence of red objects.
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01:55:20 <boily> `relcome dioneone666999
01:55:22 <HackEgo> dioneone666999: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:55:43 <boily> probably the last `relcome of the year...
01:55:52 <hppavilion[1]> `relcome
01:55:54 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:56:02 <boily> hey :P
01:56:02 <hppavilion[1]> boily: YOU WERE WRONG
01:56:58 <boily> and with that, happy new year y'all! up to watching tv specials with the parents (and probably embooze my blood system as collateral damage).
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02:14:12 <hppavilion[1]> http://cheezburger.com/8591039232/guy-edits-bands-wikipedia-page-to-get-backstage-has-beer-with-peking-duk?ref=relatedspp
02:16:23 <izabera> they're paying for security
02:27:38 <hppavilion[1]> Oh god
02:27:43 <hppavilion[1]> This kid graduated in 2015
02:28:07 <hppavilion[1]> His senior quote was from Bill Cosby and Jared the Subway Guy was the person he looked up to the most
02:28:13 <hppavilion[1]> s/2015/2013/
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02:51:03 <hppavilion[1]> We should come up with a better unit of measurement than LoC
02:58:58 <izabera> wtfs per hour
03:00:51 <\oren\> LadjLOC
03:01:06 <\oren\> Language Adjusted Lines of Code
03:01:48 <\oren\> Eg. we benchmark how much code tasks take in various languages, and aply a coeficiant
03:02:41 <\oren\> Also perhaps the LOC should be measured after reformatting to a standard whitespace rule
03:03:35 <\oren\> it's similar to GDP-PPP
03:04:22 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: And what about BF? I think that our metric should work with languages that forgo LoC like BF or, worse, Befunge
03:04:48 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: But also, removing code is good if you don't lose functionality
03:04:58 <\oren\> hmm, for character-oriented languages i guess we measure characters instead of lines
03:05:49 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: But what about an equivalent BF program to a Python program? I imagine for most programs, the BF has more characters than the python has lines
03:06:05 <\oren\> but regardless, the procedure is measure the file somehow, then apply a standard coefieciant to convert it to CLOCE (C Lines of Code Equivalent)
03:06:19 <hppavilion[1]> And in Python, for example, is while x<5 really equivalent to a complex list generator?
03:06:30 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: That's better
03:06:42 <\oren\> so in the case of BF, the coeficiant would be very small
03:07:04 <hppavilion[1]> Of course
03:07:13 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: And what about libraries? Do we count those?
03:07:30 <hppavilion[1]> It depends on what you're measuring, of course
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03:23:51 <hppavilion[1]> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/516/361/e9d.jpg
03:23:52 <hppavilion[1]> WHAT
03:26:50 <oerjan> yo dawg i heard you like knives
03:40:21 <izabera> they're also lighter
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04:12:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ROOP]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46059&oldid=45970 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+2440) Computational class. Is turing complete!
04:15:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[4]] M http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46060&oldid=46058 * -Dark-Phantom- * (+0) /* The end */
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05:10:16 <hppavilion[1]> I had an idea for an AWESOME name for my Combinatory Logic Language
05:10:29 <hppavilion[1]> SCPL
05:10:48 <hppavilion[1]> It stands for Combinatory Logic Programming Language,
05:11:26 <izabera> what's the s for?
05:11:27 <hppavilion[1]> Or more accurately, Combinatory Logic (Programming Langauge)
05:11:36 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Just think about it for a second
05:12:08 <izabera> i get it, it stands for stupid
05:12:17 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Do you ACTUALLY get it?
05:12:41 <hppavilion[1]> (I got the behavior of the S combinator right, correct?)
05:12:57 <izabera> i rest my case
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05:13:19 <hppavilion[1]> izabera: Oh come on, that's the greatest pun ever invented and you know it
05:13:23 <hppavilion[1]> Sure, that isn't saying much
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05:13:27 <hppavilion[1]> But still
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06:55:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Element118 * New user account
06:56:12 <Sgeo> "For example: in arbitrary-precision arithmetic, operations are often performed in a base that is equal to 2^word_size. The most basic division algorithm, "Schoolbook Division", has a step that will be taken in 2/B cases (where B is the base the numbers are in), given random input. On a 32-bit processor that is approximately one in two billion cases, for 64-bit it's one in 18 quintillion cases."
06:56:14 <Sgeo> o.O
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07:46:36 <hppavilion[1]> Reverse copyright: You have to use it in all publicly-published works, unless explicitly given permission by the copyright holder not to
07:47:20 <hppavilion[1]> *permission /not/ to
07:50:03 <izabera> nice
08:00:36 <quintopia> whats got you all up
08:01:11 <izabera> busy writing code
08:01:25 <izabera> no time for irc
08:01:42 <quintopia> oh ok
08:03:08 <izabera> in italy we say "who does X on new year's day, will do X all year long"
08:03:13 <izabera> it rhimes in italian
08:03:24 <izabera> rhymes
08:11:46 <Sgeo> http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/31/health/mre-meals-study-feat/index.html tempting
08:13:37 <Sgeo> $200, which isn't a lot, but hey, free MREs for 3 weeks
08:29:45 <hppavilion[1]> http://i.imgur.com/VdfKRhc.webm
09:30:03 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, it's new years
09:30:06 <hppavilion[1]> So yay
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09:48:00 <Sgeo> Is he ok/is that fake?
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11:46:29 <diginet> I had an for an esoteric language: use jacquard loom cards for input, where the program output is a textile
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12:17:29 <Taneb> So, a Jacquard loom
12:21:10 <diginet> Taneb: Jacquard looms aren't turing complete
12:25:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Oerjan]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46061&oldid=41033 * LegionMammal978 * (+246) /* Deletion Request */ new section
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13:49:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Asdf]] http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46062&oldid=39618 * * (+1) /* Move the pointer left, regardless of toggle bit (note: may perform I/O at low addresses) */ simply "as" would also toggle the current bit
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17:19:04 <boily> `2016
17:19:14 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 2016: not found
17:19:19 <boily> `wisdom
17:19:21 <HackEgo> guestbot/guestbot is nobody
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17:54:56 <Taneb> `2015
17:54:57 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
17:55:01 <Taneb> Ahahahah!
17:55:04 <Taneb> First time it's done that :)
17:55:13 <Taneb> (to my knowledge)
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17:56:11 <Taneb> Apart from cheating times
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17:59:50 <olsner> `2015
17:59:51 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
18:00:28 <myname> why is there no copy as 2016?
18:00:35 <Taneb> `cp bin/2014 bin/2016 # let's see how good my memory is
18:00:37 <HackEgo> cp: missing destination file operand after `bin/2014 bin/2016 # let\'s see how good my memory is' \ Try `cp --help' for more information.
18:00:41 <Taneb> `run cp bin/2014 bin/2016 # let's see how good my memory is
18:00:44 <HackEgo> No output.
18:00:47 <Taneb> `2016
18:00:48 <HackEgo> Hello, world!
18:00:51 <Taneb> :D
18:01:00 <olsner> `run cp bin/2014 bin/2017
18:01:00 <myname> well ...
18:01:03 <olsner> `2017
18:01:03 <HackEgo> No output.
18:01:04 <HackEgo> No output.
18:04:46 <boily> Tanelle, mynamello, hellolsner!
18:04:55 <boily> @tell oerjan where are my kittens?
18:04:55 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:05:10 <boily> @tell oerjan (I meant to @ask, not @tell)
18:05:10 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:05:30 <olsner> boily: I ate them
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18:43:09 <boily> nooooooooooooo!
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18:55:43 <zzo38> Is it good to eat?
18:56:07 <ais523> I haven't seen context, but guessing, no
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19:16:54 <izabera> boily | @tell oerjan where are my kittens?
19:16:55 <izabera> ly: I ate them
19:16:57 <izabera> boily | nooooooooooooo!
19:17:01 <izabera> fuck copy paste gone wrong
19:17:37 <b_jonas> ais523: hi
19:17:43 <ais523> hi
19:18:04 <b_jonas> izabera: they're building their evil plan of hypnotizing all humans to telepathically control them and become the master of the universe
19:18:34 <izabera> oh
19:18:35 <b_jonas> ais523: I see you posted a new esolanguage that is evil in a sneaky way.
19:18:52 <ais523> why do you consider it evil?
19:19:00 <b_jonas> ais523: It doesn't have gotos, and it probably actually matters. You can't just emulate them with other control structures like in brainfuck.
19:19:01 <ais523> `! 2014 test
19:19:07 <b_jonas> or like in C
19:19:10 <ais523> b_jonas: ah right
19:19:12 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/!: 4: exec: ibin/2014: not found
19:19:13 <ais523> I was aware of that
19:19:18 <ais523> `` 2014 test
19:19:20 <HackEgo> No output.
19:19:24 <ais523> that program is in the wrong directory
19:19:35 <ais523> decided to maintain the tradition of an end-of-year esolang, altough this time it wasn't dec 31
19:21:04 <b_jonas> or at least it might take exponentially long programs to simulate it
19:21:09 <b_jonas> but even that might not be enough
19:22:23 <ais523> ofc, PMMN doesn't have this issue as it has reliable reads and writes
19:22:35 <b_jonas> If only it had functions, it would be easy
19:25:38 <ais523> are you sure?
19:25:48 <ais523> I'm not 100% sure it's doable even with a finite state machine
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19:41:31 <b_jonas> I'm not sure really
19:41:41 <b_jonas> I don't know what that language can do
19:42:02 <b_jonas> I mean, come on, it's AT MOST a Minsky machines, and I don't like those, they're too powerless for my tastes
19:42:18 <b_jonas> mind you, if it had functions, then you'd sort of have one stack, so it's not just a Minsky machine, but still
19:49:37 <ais523> right, that's how I proved Splinter to be more than an FSM
19:50:04 <zzo38> b_jonas: I know now you have the account for comment on my custom cards but did you make the comment to write yet?
19:50:06 <ais523> (its author was aiming for sub-TC, and thought it was an FSM; I'm pretty sure it's a PDA)
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19:51:03 <ais523> b_jonas: I think Minsky machines can be powerful enough to write practical programs in
19:51:07 <ais523> if you have a sufficiently good interp
19:51:14 <ais523> (I was writing one but burned out a bit)
19:51:25 <ais523> actually it's a compiler, not an interp
19:51:36 <ais523> it's already saved a factor of O(n) for the first program I wrote
19:54:07 <ais523> the program in question prints consecutive integers in decimal
19:54:27 <ais523> I'm hoping that when the compiler is finished, it'll run faster than the C equivalent, at least if it's written the obvious way with printf
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20:04:01 <b_jonas> zzo38: no, I don't think I made a comment yet
20:10:48 <zzo38> I would hope that anyone who would want to write such comment can have the account. It is now possible even if you do not have MD5 software on your computer, to use the form on the webpage if you have JavaScripts, to make the calculation. Also note, you can also use program "curl" to send the comments, and also to download the database; but use of web browser is also possible.
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21:45:00 <hppavilion[1]> I reiterate something I've said before
21:45:40 <hppavilion[1]> [[Call Queue]] should be moved to [[Call Queue (language)]] so we can make a page on the abstract concept of a Call Queue
21:46:52 <Taneb> I don't think a call queue is a common enough concept
21:47:41 <ais523> there's an unfinished language I've worked on that uses a queue rather than a stack for recursion
21:48:03 <ais523> but a separate queue for each function-equivalent
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21:56:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Call stack]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46063 * Hppavilion1 * (+1422) Created page with a wholelotta red links
21:56:29 <hppavilion[1]> There. I think we needed that page.
21:57:26 <hppavilion[1]> For, y'know, information purposes for n00berific esolangers
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22:06:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Call stack/Manipulation]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46064 * Hppavilion1 * (+2065) Created Page
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22:14:43 <Taneb> My esolangs page broke for reasons so I've had to remove the animations because I don't feel like figuring out CSS3 animations
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22:20:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ChaitinFuck]] N http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46065 * Hppavilion1 * (+2216) Created Page for study of Chaitin's Constant (there. A useful BF derivative.)
22:20:21 <hppavilion[1]> I have done it.
22:24:20 <Taneb> https://runciman.hacksoc.org/~taneb/esolangs.html is the page I was talking about
22:29:24 <boily> hppavellon[1]. you ha ve done it.
22:29:35 <boily> s/ v/v/
22:49:24 <boily> `wisdom
22:49:36 <boily> ...
22:49:36 <HackEgo> hat/hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
22:49:40 <boily> ah! :D
22:52:55 <boily> `wisdom
22:52:57 <HackEgo> portmanteau/«Portmanteau» is the French spelling of “port man toe”.
22:53:06 <boily> `wisdom
22:53:08 <HackEgo> horse/A horse, a horse! My kingdom for a horse!
22:53:12 <boily> `wisdom
22:53:14 <HackEgo> md5/MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens.
22:53:31 <boily> `` culprits wisdom/md5
22:53:38 <HackEgo> mroman
22:54:01 <boily> @ask mroman mrhelloman. underdeveloped aliens?
22:54:01 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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23:05:59 <b_jonas> `? evil
23:06:01 <HackEgo> evil? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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23:48:48 <FireFly> `wisdom
23:48:52 <HackEgo> certainty/We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor.
23:49:06 <FireFly> `wisdom
23:49:10 <FireFly> `wisdom
23:49:13 <HackEgo> gaspatsjo/gaspatsjo is a norwegian soup, which died out due to a lack of hot summer days
23:49:39 <FireFly> followed by a lack of cold winter days
23:50:11 <FireFly> Norwegian climate converged, and now the forecast all year long is "Norwegian"
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