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00:27:11 <\oren\> hmm I didn't change anything
00:27:14 <\oren\> argh
00:27:57 <\oren\> I guess microsoft has saddled us with chramatic abberations
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00:36:57 <\oren\> oh for the love of god. apparently there is more or less blurriness depending on the foregorund and background colors.
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00:40:34 <\oren\> in particular, on black, you can mitigate the blur of white by tinting it with green, which because a pixel is RGB, appears to "centre" the pixels.
00:40:51 <\oren\> while red and blue cause things to be drawn way too wide
00:45:38 <lifthrasiir> \oren\: aka subpixel rendering
00:46:39 <lifthrasiir> is gasp widely supported? I knew of that but never understood how it works
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00:53:08 <\oren\> lifthrasiir: yeah. I was hoping to disable subpixels for my font using the gasp but it doesn't seem like it does anything
00:54:12 <lifthrasiir> I thought EBDT is more direct way to do that
00:54:19 <lifthrasiir> thinking about including them to Unison
00:54:50 <\oren\> EBDT doesn't seem to be supported either. putting it in doesn't do anything.
00:55:22 <hppavilion[1]> If a language were made to modify its own syntax at runtime
00:55:23 <lifthrasiir> huh.
00:55:27 <hppavilion[1]> a) How would it accomplish that
00:55:37 <hppavilion[1]> b) How would it be implemented
00:55:43 <\oren\> I think they hardcoded particular legacy CJK fonts to use bitmaps, but everything else ignores them
00:56:01 <lifthrasiir> hppavilion[1]: some concrete examples: Perl 6 and Seed7
00:56:09 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Yeah.
00:56:12 <lifthrasiir> they represent two major ways to do that
00:56:12 <hppavilion[1]> But those are complicated
00:56:30 <lifthrasiir> well, and in some aspects, TeX :p
00:58:00 <zgrep> I think also http://iolanguage.org might, maybe... unless I'm wrong.
00:58:48 <lifthrasiir> zgrep: I didn't include Lisp and Io because they retain the basic lexical structure
00:59:59 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: How do /you/ think syntax definition should be done?
01:00:15 <hppavilion[1]> Like, what would make for a good language with it?
01:00:42 <lifthrasiir> hppavilion[1]: I would define reasonable extension points in the grammar first and use an additional (fixed) syntax to extend the grammar.
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01:00:54 <hppavilion[1]> OK...
01:00:57 <lifthrasiir> i.e. it won't allow arbitrary composition and/or modification
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01:01:35 <lifthrasiir> Perl 6 goes much beyond that I think, but frankly speaking I'm not even sure what Perl 6 is going to be
01:01:41 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: I'm asking because I'm making a language called Gouda, which is basically Mascarpone but readable :)
01:02:14 <lifthrasiir> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Mascarpone
01:02:18 <lifthrasiir> heh, didn't know that
01:02:19 <zgrep> lifthrasiir: Ahah.
01:10:24 <Sgeo> I should make another effort to understand Perl 6
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02:34:29 <boily> `wisdom
02:34:33 <HackEgo> thé/Thé is an oddly-spelled hot beverage popular in the Commonwealth.
02:35:07 <boily> indeed, we are part of the Commonwealth. strange but true.
02:35:37 <boily> I like me some pu'er.
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02:45:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Irino * New user account
02:48:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Trumpscript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46213 * Irino * (+26) Redirected page to [[TrumpScript]]
02:55:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[TrumpScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46214 * Irino * (+549) Creation
02:56:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46215&oldid=46184 * Irino * (+18) Added TrumpScript
02:58:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[EsoKit]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46216&oldid=46154 * Hppavilion1 * (+236) Added simplegui
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03:00:23 <hppavilion[1]> Hm...
03:00:30 <hppavilion[1]> What should I do for esokit.ek.io?
03:00:38 <hppavilion[1]> I'm going through EsoKit and actually filling it out
03:02:59 <vanila> what is it
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03:04:55 <hppavilion[1]> vanila: EsoKit?
03:05:02 <hppavilion[1]> An esoteric abstract library
03:05:17 <hppavilion[1]> Designed to work for nearly any language, even esoteric ones
03:05:33 <hppavilion[1]> In fact, even if your language does nothing but input and print to the stderr, it's still designed to work
03:05:48 <hppavilion[1]> (character-by-character input, that is)
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03:22:53 <\oren\> Oh, i'm having problems now... I read "trumpscript" and immediatley though it was based on playing cards.
03:23:07 <\oren\> it's baed on donald trump instead.
03:23:30 <zzo38> O, do you play bridge (or whist) cards?
03:28:52 <\oren\> I used to play bridge online in the days of windows 2000
03:34:56 <hppavilion[1]> What if we made a Cellular Automaton usable for serious programming?
03:34:57 <hppavilion[1]> xD
03:35:04 <hppavilion[1]> Not even Turing could do that.
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03:52:03 <Sgeo> hppavilion[2], any connection to PSOX?
03:52:31 <hppavilion[2]> Sgeo: Entirely inspired. Practically a complete ripoff, really
03:52:35 <hppavilion[2]> But a bit more general
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03:52:54 <hppavilion[1]> Who is this hppavilion[2] you speak of? I have never heard of him
03:53:01 <hppavilion[1]> Sgeo: On the wiki, if you haven't read it
03:53:20 <hppavilion[1]> Sgeo: Also, it does eso intrinsically (it is designed to be strange anyway)
03:53:34 <Sgeo> hppavilion[1], I'll take a look, cool
03:55:08 <Sgeo> re TrumpScript: "There are no import statements allowed. All code has to be home-grown and Amerian made.
03:55:08 <Sgeo> "
03:55:14 <Sgeo> I think that's a typo
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05:07:07 <Sgeo> "AG1 will be Hispasat's contribution to SGEO and important part of their ... AG1 is based on LUXOR bus like all SGEO satellites planned for further ..."
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05:14:41 <hppavilion[1]> Sgeo: It is
05:14:52 <hppavilion[1]> Are there any languages below a DT?
05:15:44 <hppavilion[1]> Or between an FSA and a PDA
05:20:12 <coppro> DT?
05:20:37 <hppavilion[1]> coppro: Decision Tree
05:21:02 <zgrep> What would it mean for a language to be... below a decision tree?
05:21:18 <coppro> also between FSA and PDA? Besides the facetious answer of "regular languages plus a^nb^n", DPDAs generate a set of languages that lies strictly between regular and context-free languages
05:23:02 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: More restricted
05:23:39 <hppavilion[1]> Representing only a subset of Decision Tree languages
05:23:44 * zgrep decides to slowly back away from the conversation where things zgrep doesn't know are explained using things zgrep doesn't know. :P
05:23:56 <hppavilion[1]> Would a binary (or n-ary) decision tree accomplish that?
05:24:43 <coppro> not familiar with decision tree languages. What is the definition?
05:33:56 <zzo38> It look like to me that you can calculate infinite sums by same kind of methods whether it is convergent or divergent
05:34:12 <hppavilion[1]> A programming language
05:34:34 <hppavilion[1]> With a Recursively Enumerable grammar, as opposed to a context-free one
05:36:22 <hppavilion[1]> AKA C
05:36:25 <hppavilion[1]> ++
05:41:39 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: That's not enough to define a language class
05:41:55 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: BF has an RE grammar but is TC
05:50:45 <hppavilion[1]> coppro: Not a language class
05:52:48 <\oren\> well what about a PDA where only one symbol can be pushed?
05:54:17 <\oren\> so you can recognize ((())) but not ({({})})
05:55:04 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: what do you mean by "below", then?
05:56:33 <\oren\> equivalently, a FSA with access to a counter with operations add 1, subract 1 and test for 0.
05:57:53 <adu> hppavilion[1]: --
06:01:14 <lifthrasiir> \oren\: http://cs.stackexchange.com/questions/7574/which-languages-are-recognized-by-one-counter-machines
06:01:21 <lifthrasiir> seems to have its own name: counter automaton
06:03:03 <\oren\> theres your answer hppavilion[1]. counter automation is between fsa and pda
06:03:23 <coppro> hppavilion[1]: we rank automata by their language classes
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06:16:44 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
06:16:45 <lambdabot> ENVA 180550Z 24019KT 9999 VCSH FEW018 SCT032 BKN070 01/M04 Q1006 TEMPO 1000 SHSN VV005 RMK WIND 670FT 25019G32KT
06:31:16 <oerjan> `? b_jonas
06:31:44 <HackEgo> ​Ő egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek.
06:32:32 <oerjan> `` sed -i 's/Ő/b_jonas/' wisdom/b_jonas
06:32:35 <HackEgo> No output.
06:32:37 <oerjan> `? b_jonas
06:32:38 <HackEgo> b_jonas egy nagyon titokzatos személy. Hollétéről egyelőre nem ismertek.
06:32:52 <izabera> that didn't fix ti
06:32:54 <izabera> it*
06:33:05 <oerjan> how so?
06:33:27 <izabera> it left ő and é
06:33:42 <shachaf> hierjan
06:33:44 <oerjan> the purpose wasn't to remove the accents
06:34:02 <oerjan> it was to change it to actually mention the keyword.
06:34:15 <shachaf> @metar KRNO
06:34:16 <lambdabot> KRNO 180555Z 16013KT 10SM SCT045 BKN065 BKN090 09/M03 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP169 T00891033 10117 20089 51013
06:34:23 <izabera> but maybe you *should* remove the accents
06:34:39 * oerjan swats izabera for linguistic heresy -----###
06:36:49 <shachaf> oerjan: a linguist i know says that accents are great
06:37:00 <shachaf> wait, that's linguistic hearsay
06:37:55 * oerjan waves the swatter in shachaf's general direction -----###
06:44:10 <oerjan> `? abstract nonsense
06:44:11 <HackEgo> abstract nonsense? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
06:45:14 <oerjan> `le/rn abstract nonsense/We would have an explanation of abstract nonsense here, but it fled into a diagram and we haven't been able to chase it.
06:45:16 <HackEgo> Learned «abstract nonsense»
06:47:39 <shachaf> Abstract nonsense can be found in the first section of a category theory paper.
06:48:23 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: So a belt automaton?
06:48:24 <shachaf> (Usually followed by introduction nonsense.)
06:49:27 <oerjan> <int-e> `quines/c <-- <recurrent thought pattern> . o O ( Why is quines/c an executable? They should have put the source somewhere. Oh wait... ) </recurrent thought pattern>
06:50:21 <shachaf> <recurrent joke>
06:50:36 <hppavilion[1]> <hppavilion[1]> This message is not properly parseable <-- Because of that arrow
06:50:48 <hppavilion[1]> *the quotation of
06:51:00 <oerjan> help i'm trapped in a fake html tag
06:51:18 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: No you aren't
06:51:34 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: HTML doesn't support tags with spaces in the tagname
06:51:40 <oerjan> ah.
06:51:41 <hppavilion[1]> So it's a fake tag on a /variant/ of HTML
06:51:47 <oerjan> good, good
06:52:06 <hppavilion[1]> You aren't trapped in XML, you're trapped in something even worse: Something that only looks like XML superficially
06:52:09 <shachaf> oerjan: I didn't think the closing tag was necessary, since that tag describes this channel pretty well.
06:52:15 <shachaf> No, the space is what makes that tag fake.
06:52:45 <shachaf> And of course <recurrent joke> would be perfectly fine HTML. It would mean something like <recurrent joke="joke">
06:53:11 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: <recurrent joke="true">, iirc
06:53:22 <hppavilion[1]> But you can't put things in the closing tag, iisrc
06:53:26 <lifthrasiir> just go with kebab-case
06:53:43 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure <recurrent joke="joke"> is better hth
06:53:45 <shachaf> Good thing I didn't close the tag.
06:53:56 <shachaf> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/infrastructure.html#boolean-attributes
06:54:04 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: So we're still trapped in the recurrent joke?
06:54:09 <oerjan> lifthrasiir: wat
06:54:19 <shachaf> Note: The values "true" and "false" are not allowed on boolean attributes. To represent a false value, the attribute has to be omitted altogether
06:55:03 <hppavilion[1]> I want to see a language based on XML
06:55:14 <hppavilion[1]> That, in addition, also has a CSS component
06:55:15 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: NO YOU DON'T
06:55:25 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Yes, I do
06:55:28 <zgrep> ^
06:55:29 <lifthrasiir> oerjan: I meant that </recurrent-thought-pattern> *is* a valid XML ending tag
06:55:46 <oerjan> lifthrasiir: no, i mean, wtf is kebab-case
06:55:49 <zgrep> Err... that ^ was meant to point at oerjan.
06:56:08 <hppavilion[1]> zgrep: MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAHHHAHALFHL.ifjdsfLEQWRJDkjkajs
06:56:32 <zgrep> ifdjaksjkgdadqwer?
06:56:33 <lifthrasiir> oerjan: \w+(-\w+)*
06:56:48 <lifthrasiir> the name "kebab-case" seems to be one of competing names for that convention
06:56:52 <hppavilion[1]> ;aklsdjf;lkajdfalka;oisejfaoisjf;fjfagfag;laksjfdoiwejfaosijefasdfj
06:57:19 <zgrep> hppavilion[1]: Oh, I get it. asdjk;kgdfdsdr. Makes sense.
06:57:20 <shachaf> oerjan: did you know "oerjan" was kebab case
06:57:25 <hppavilion[1]> (That was still part of me evil laugh)
06:57:38 <hppavilion[1]> (*my)
06:57:48 <shachaf> i think better kebab case would be e.g. -oerjan------###
06:58:03 <oerjan> i am indeed a kebab case. maybe i'll have one today.
06:59:23 <lifthrasiir> also a snake case and camel case
06:59:42 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: What's snake case?
06:59:58 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, _?
07:00:12 <lifthrasiir> yup
07:00:13 <hppavilion[1]> A programming language based on the Markov Algorithm, but generalized to be useful
07:00:14 <oerjan> i,i hedgehog^case
07:00:16 <shachaf> is kebab case a special case of snack case
07:00:23 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: No.
07:00:38 <hppavilion[1]> Unless you count s/_/-/ as special-casing
07:00:38 <shachaf> `8ball is it
07:00:39 <HackEgo> My reply is no.
07:00:45 <hppavilion[1]> `8ball
07:00:46 <HackEgo> As I see it, yes.
07:00:56 <hppavilion[1]> Here's an idea
07:00:57 <shachaf> 8ball settles it. hppavilion[1]'s "No." is wrong
07:01:11 <hppavilion[1]> Wait, no here isn't
07:01:24 <lifthrasiir> domain.case
07:01:48 <Sgeo> `ping
07:01:49 <HackEgo> pong
07:02:39 <lifthrasiir> `pong
07:02:40 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pong: not found
07:02:57 * lifthrasiir secretly wanted pung
07:03:14 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Create it
07:03:28 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Then "`pung" should be something funny and unrelated
07:03:37 * oerjan accidentally has his whistling turn into a vision of waltzing mathilda played slowly on a pan flute
07:03:45 <oerjan> now youtube
07:04:27 <oerjan> *-h
07:04:46 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Ah
07:04:51 <hppavilion[1]> I was confused by mathilds
07:04:55 <hppavilion[1]> *mathilda
07:05:11 <lifthrasiir> ` cat bin/ping
07:05:12 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
07:05:16 <hppavilion[1]> Also, "has", "his", and "whistling"
07:05:18 <lifthrasiir> hmm?
07:05:29 <zgrep> `hmm?
07:05:30 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hmm?: not found
07:05:33 <zgrep> :(
07:05:43 <lifthrasiir> `pwd
07:05:43 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv
07:05:47 <hppavilion[1]> `wtf
07:05:48 <HackEgo> why is like wtf
07:05:54 <lifthrasiir> `cat bin/wtf
07:05:54 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ echo "why $1 is like wtf"
07:06:05 <lifthrasiir> so ping is built-in
07:06:05 <hppavilion[1]> `wtf I AM THE WALRUS
07:06:06 <HackEgo> why I AM THE WALRUS is like wtf
07:06:10 <lifthrasiir> I guess
07:06:14 <zgrep> `cat bin/ping
07:06:15 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/bash \ echo pong
07:06:20 <lifthrasiir> WHAT
07:06:22 <lifthrasiir> ah wait
07:06:29 <shachaf> `culprits bin/wtf
07:06:32 <HackEgo> tswett tswett shachaf shachaf elliott elliott nitia
07:06:38 <shachaf> `thanks nitia
07:06:39 <HackEgo> Thanks, nitia. Thitia.
07:06:40 <lifthrasiir> okay, "` cat" was a culprit
07:06:51 <zgrep> `wtf the fuck
07:06:52 <HackEgo> why the fuck is like wtf
07:06:53 <lifthrasiir> should have been "`cat"
07:07:04 <zgrep> `` cat bin/ping
07:07:05 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/bash \ echo pong
07:07:13 <zgrep> ` cat bin/ping
07:07:14 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
07:07:15 <hppavilion[1]> I think `wtf or some similar command should output a randomly-selected completely batshit insane statement
07:07:20 <lifthrasiir> `` (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo pung) > bin/pong && chmod a+x bin/pong
07:07:23 <HackEgo> No output.
07:07:25 <lifthrasiir> `pong
07:07:26 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/pong: 2: /hackenv/bin/pong: pung: not found
07:07:30 <oerjan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FuqnxMzaMA 47:09
07:07:32 <hppavilion[1]> `pong
07:07:33 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/pong: 2: /hackenv/bin/pong: pung: not found
07:07:35 <lifthrasiir> `` (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo echo pung) > bin/pong && chmod a+x bin/pong
07:07:37 <HackEgo> No output.
07:07:39 <lifthrasiir> `pong
07:07:40 <HackEgo> pung
07:07:45 <hppavilion[1]> `ping
07:07:45 <HackEgo> pong
07:07:58 <zgrep> `` echo "exec $@" >> 'bin/ '
07:07:59 <hppavilion[1]> `echo Hi
07:08:00 <HackEgo> No output.
07:08:01 <HackEgo> Hi
07:08:04 <zgrep> ` cat bin/ping
07:08:05 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
07:08:14 <hppavilion[1]> `echo "`echo I AM THE WALRUS"
07:08:15 <HackEgo> ​"`echo I AM THE WALRUS"
07:08:21 <hppavilion[1]> `echo `echo I AM THE WALRUS
07:08:22 <HackEgo> ​`echo I AM THE WALRUS
07:08:30 <hppavilion[1]> ...
07:08:32 <hppavilion[1]> :(
07:08:33 <zgrep> `quine
07:08:46 <zgrep> `` echo "echo `quine" >> quine
07:08:47 <HackEgo> bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
07:08:48 <zgrep> `quine
07:08:53 <zgrep> Oh.
07:08:56 <zgrep> `` echo "echo \`quine" >> quine
07:09:05 <zgrep> I'm not sure if this is how HackEgo works...
07:09:07 <zgrep> `quine
07:09:12 <zgrep> I guess not.
07:09:16 <zgrep> `` mv quine bin/
07:09:18 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> Also, "has", "his", and "whistling" <-- english grammar you fail at, hm?
07:09:30 <hppavilion[1]> `echo "echo Hello, World" > bin/hello-world-in-any-language && chmod a+x bin/hello-world-in-any-language
07:09:36 <zgrep> Did we break it?
07:09:47 <zgrep> Or slow it down?
07:09:50 <izabera> you need `` echo ...
07:10:06 <izabera> well, it's still weird that it didn't print anything
07:10:09 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
07:10:10 <hppavilion[1]> `` echo "echo Hello, World" > bin/hello-world-in-any-language && chmod a+x bin/hello-world-in-any-language
07:10:37 <shachaf> why are you doing that
07:10:37 <izabera> wait i didn't expect that error message
07:10:40 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
07:10:41 <HackEgo> mv: cannot stat `quine': No such file or directory
07:10:44 <izabera> `` type echo
07:10:44 <HackEgo> No output.
07:10:55 <lifthrasiir> hmm
07:11:03 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: So we can do `hello-world-in-any language <languagename> and claim to have the world's largest database of Hello World programs
07:11:09 <hppavilion[1]> s/ /-/
07:11:11 <zgrep> `ls /var/irclogs/_esoteric
07:11:15 <zgrep> Err... not that.
07:11:15 <izabera> `` echo -n lives in: type -a echo
07:11:16 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
07:11:19 <zgrep> `ls /var/irclogs
07:11:20 <HackEgo> lives in: type -a echo
07:11:22 <HackEgo> echo is a shell builtin
07:11:23 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access /var/irclogs/_esoteric: No such file or directory
07:11:24 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access /var/irclogs: No such file or directory
07:11:26 <HackEgo> ​"echo Hello, World" > bin/hello-world-in-any-language && chmod a+x bin/hello-world-in-any-language
07:11:26 * izabera forgot a ;
07:11:27 <HackEgo> No output.
07:11:31 <zgrep> There it goes.
07:11:32 <shachaf> this is a disaster
07:11:32 <izabera> `` echo -n echo lives in:; type -a echo
07:11:33 <HackEgo> echo lives in:echo is a shell builtin \ echo is /bin/echo
07:11:33 -!- shachaf has left.
07:11:39 <hppavilion[1]> `hello-world-in-any-language C++
07:11:39 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:11:53 <zgrep> shikhin: Better than a SNAFU.
07:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> `hello-world-in-any-language Spanish
07:11:54 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:12:03 <zgrep> Err... sorry, shikhin.
07:12:10 <hppavilion[1]> `hello-world-in-any-language The Language of the Beast
07:12:11 <zgrep> Oh, wow. shachaf left. :(
07:12:11 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:12:45 <hppavilion[1]> `hello-world-in-any-language Python, but encoded by Enigma with a random key
07:12:45 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:12:54 <hppavilion[1]> Get it?
07:13:29 <hppavilion[1]> `hello-world-in-any-language TheLanguageThatFailsForAnyInput
07:13:29 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:14:05 <lifthrasiir> `hello-world-in-any-language An Almost-Turing-Complete Language That Is Unable To Output "Hello, World!" Without Quotes
07:14:06 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:14:12 <zgrep> No... not really.
07:14:15 <lifthrasiir> ah, wait, an exclamation mark
07:14:22 <lifthrasiir> `hello-world-in-any-language An Almost-Turing-Complete Language That Is Unable To Output "Hello, World" Without Quotes
07:14:23 <HackEgo> Hello, World
07:14:25 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: I noticed, but didn't want to change it xD
07:14:46 <lifthrasiir> hppavilion[1]: I believe the implementation has a bug
07:14:53 <lifthrasiir> you need to fix that
07:14:55 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: I have failed. At life.
07:15:02 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: It's a feature
07:15:06 <hppavilion[1]> `cat bin/evil
07:15:07 <HackEgo> cat "$(find evil -type f | shuf -n1)" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]'
07:15:22 <hppavilion[1]> How does evil work?
07:15:23 <hppavilion[1]> `bug
07:15:24 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bug: not found
07:15:25 <hppavilion[1]> `bugs
07:15:25 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bugs: not found
07:15:30 <hppavilion[1]> We need that command
07:15:33 <lifthrasiir> so is it an extension to An Almost-Turing-Complete Language That Is Unable To Output "Hello, World" Without Quotes so that it is TC now?
07:15:54 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: No, it's just THE GOD OF PROGRAMMING
07:17:01 <adu> hppavilion[1]: hi
07:17:20 <hppavilion[1]> Would `echo "cat \"$(find bugs -type f | shuf -n1)\"" > bin/bugs` create the desired command?
07:17:28 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Hi!
07:18:02 <adu> I hope you don't mind my anti-esoteric attitude
07:18:12 <lifthrasiir> `` (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'echo Zarro Boogs Found.') > bin/bugs; chmod a+x bin/bugs
07:18:15 <HackEgo> No output.
07:18:16 <lifthrasiir> `bugs
07:18:17 <HackEgo> Zarro Boogs Found.
07:18:37 <hppavilion[1]> `bugs
07:18:38 <HackEgo> Zarro Boogs Found.
07:18:45 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: That is not as fun
07:18:51 <hppavilion[1]> lifthrasiir: Because we can't submit bug reports
07:19:01 <adu> I just think that researching esoteric functions can be done in mainstream languages
07:19:03 <lifthrasiir> hmm.
07:19:18 <lifthrasiir> `ls bin/fix
07:19:19 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access bin/fix: No such file or directory
07:20:00 <hppavilion[1]> adu: What esoteric functions?
07:20:06 <adu> hppavilion[1]: tetration
07:20:07 <hppavilion[1]> Did I say something I forgot about?
07:20:11 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Ah. Yes, of course.
07:20:24 <hppavilion[1]> I never said it couldn't be
07:20:29 <adu> hppavilion[1]: I'm a tetration junkie
07:20:30 <lifthrasiir> hppavilion[1]: I gave up, I cannot make that funnier
07:20:50 * adu cannot have enough of that good old tetration
07:21:00 <hppavilion[1]> adu: And...?
07:21:06 <adu> hppavilion[1]: Chai
07:21:32 <adu> Chai == Tea + sugar + milk + various spices
07:21:41 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Hyper 5 is better called "penetration" than "pentation"
07:22:04 <adu> penetration will get you bitch slaped
07:22:16 <adu> pentation will make your date go home early
07:22:19 <oerjan> <zgrep> Oh, wow. shachaf left. :( <-- some people can only take so much "messing around with HackEgo without even noticing what they're actually doing." excuse me, i need to go kick a dog or something...
07:22:23 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Because that makes hyper 6- "sexation"- repeated penetration
07:22:28 <adu> ^ big difference
07:22:49 <zgrep> oerjan: I'm probably going to feel sorry for the dog or something you're going to kick.
07:23:33 <adu> hppavilion[1]: actually sexa- is Latin, the proper prefix is Greek hexa-
07:24:02 <adu> so hyper6 is "hexation"
07:24:22 <oerjan> lifthrasiir: a TC language does not need to be able to output "Hello, World", with or without quotes hth
07:24:26 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Who cares about mixing roots?
07:24:30 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, hexadecimal
07:24:35 <adu> hppavilion[1]: grammar Nazis
07:24:50 <hppavilion[1]> adu: Godwin's Law of Grammar. You lose.
07:26:20 <adu> do you know what Nazi means?
07:27:03 * oerjan kicks hppavilion[1] since he's part of the mess up _and_ is making stupidly lewd math jokes
07:27:05 <hppavilion[1]> adu: It's a political party- or it used to be for the most part- form Germany.
07:27:17 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I got it from SMBFC
07:27:20 <hppavilion[1]> *SMBC
07:27:35 <oerjan> ah right. that makes it a classic, then.
07:27:37 <lifthrasiir> oerjan: I thought a language is not TC when there is a computable output of the language's codomain that is unable to output however. (technically speaking outputing "Hello, World" may not be in that codomain, but well, let's assume that it is) isn't it correct?
07:27:44 <adu> NAZI = "NAtional SocIalist"
07:27:51 <lifthrasiir> NASI
07:28:01 <hppavilion[1]> adu: I assume you want me to ask about the Z?
07:28:04 <adu> lifthrasiir: german is different
07:28:09 <hppavilion[1]> Oh
07:28:12 <lifthrasiir> yup, pun intended
07:28:27 <adu> hppavilion[1]: no, I don't because I don't have an explaination for the Z, except that german is different
07:28:48 <lifthrasiir> adu: I feel natsoc sounds much more English, in homage to ingsoc
07:29:51 <adu> the political party wasn't very radical, their platform was pretty much the same as give-stuff-to-the-little-guy politicians today
07:30:11 <adu> it was their actions that became associated with the term "Nazi"
07:30:13 <oerjan> lifthrasiir: all the output you need for TC is some way to encode any result. and we have a long discussion on the wiki about the quine-less language that's still TC and can output anything, but just not in the right computable way
07:32:18 <oerjan> adu: itym NAtional soCIalist hth
07:32:30 <lifthrasiir> oerjan: hmm, you are right. the bijective function from the computable number to the "output" of the language is enough for that language to be TC. I was slightly mistaken about the possibility of automorphic bijective function (ugh).
07:34:03 <adu> oerjan: I think that's how it's spelled in german
07:35:36 <oerjan> well it's the only place you could get the Z from.
07:36:47 <lifthrasiir> "Nationalsozialismus"
07:37:46 <lifthrasiir> hmm, wait, it wasn't abbreviated in that way
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07:38:33 <lifthrasiir> National is pronunced /natsiona:l/ or similar in German, and its first two syllables are rendered as Nazi
07:38:53 <lifthrasiir> natsjona:l*
07:39:48 <adu> lifthrasiir++ for a lesson in etymology
07:40:00 <lifthrasiir> TIL
07:40:15 <lifthrasiir> and all of this research is due to procrastination at work
07:41:06 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party#Etymology
07:41:16 <adu> and because hppavilion[1] asked "Who cares about mixing roots?"
07:41:56 <oerjan> the nazis didn't call themselves that, as it was derogatory. the section claims the word existed in that sense before the party
07:42:12 <oerjan> (TIL)
07:44:16 <oerjan> huh
07:44:19 <oerjan> `quine
07:44:43 * oerjan swats HackEgo -----###
07:44:49 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/quine: 2: cd: can't cd to /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ ls: cannot access ????-??-??.txt: No such file or directory
07:45:21 <lifthrasiir> `cat bin/quine
07:45:21 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; cat $(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | sed 's/[^>]*> //' | grep '^`' | tail -1 #Best cheating quine ever?
07:45:24 <oerjan> apparently you never managed to mess up the thing i was most angered by
07:46:57 <oerjan> i think HackEgo was so slow it performed the commands in the opposite order, so there was no file to move.
07:47:22 <oerjan> admittedly bin/quine is meaningless without working logs :(
07:48:35 <oerjan> tl;dr: you never managed to break anything i need to fix
07:49:09 <lifthrasiir> `` ps aux | grep $$
07:49:09 <HackEgo> 5000 290 0.0 0.6 19136 1584 ? S 07:49 0:00 bash -c -- ps aux | grep $$ \ 5000 294 0.0 0.3 7768 888 ? S 07:49 0:00 grep 290
07:52:18 <lifthrasiir> `` sed 's/\x00/ /g' /proc/$$/cmdline
07:52:19 <HackEgo> sed s/\x00/ /g /proc/290/cmdline
07:52:28 <lifthrasiir> close to being a quine
07:54:12 <oerjan> `? reflection
07:54:14 <HackEgo> cat.reflection.
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08:02:44 <mroman> fnerd
08:02:56 <b_jonas> `wisdom
08:02:57 <HackEgo> vector space/A vector space is just a module over a field.
08:03:07 <b_jonas> `wisdom
08:03:08 <HackEgo> unréliable/unréliable is French for «peu fiable».
08:14:41 <oerjan> wut
08:16:54 <lifthrasiir> `wisdom
08:16:55 <HackEgo> twhib/the world holds its breath
08:17:55 <zzo38> `danddreclist 74
08:17:56 <HackEgo> danddreclist 74: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
08:19:38 <zzo38> Do you like this?
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08:51:36 <mroman> `wisdom
08:51:38 <HackEgo> supercalifragilisticexponential growth/Supercalifragilisticexponential growth leaves Graham's number in the dust.
08:51:49 <mroman> `wisdom
08:51:51 <HackEgo> gnimmargorp/"Gnimmargorp" er algeng stafsetningarvilla af "grimmargorp".
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09:47:22 <mroman> `? grimmargorp
09:47:23 <HackEgo> ​Þór, Grimmargorpurinn hefur sloppið! Ragnarök eru nálæg!
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10:33:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beatnik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46217&oldid=46209 * * (-6) /* Truth machine */ Removed final INPUT.
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10:59:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beatnik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46218&oldid=46217 * * (+28) /* External resources */ Added Wayback Machine crawl of broken link - curiously, the crawl I found was the ONLY crawl
11:26:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Beatnik]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46219&oldid=46218 * Oerjan * (-17) /* External resources */ template
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11:32:43 <oerjan> bohily
11:34:18 <b_jonas> `? star
11:34:24 <HackEgo> star? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
11:35:53 <Taneb> http://agda.github.io/agda-stdlib/Data.Star.html is something that I don't know what it does
11:36:15 <Taneb> Oh, apparently it's a reflexive transitive closure?
11:36:46 <oerjan> so, smallest generated equivalence relation...
11:37:33 <oerjan> s/generated/containing/
11:37:49 <oerjan> oh wait, no symmetry
11:38:46 <Taneb> Smallest containing preorder?
11:39:56 <oerjan> oh thank god there is agatha's weasel
11:40:22 <boily> bhellørjaaaa *yaaaaawn* n.
11:40:28 <oerjan> </sentences better without context>
11:40:54 <oerjan> øryawn
11:41:05 <Taneb> oerjan, Agatha's weasel is very useful
11:41:19 <boily> sorry, not quite awake yet. had a night out. too much sushi.
11:41:31 <oerjan> Taneb: well i was worried it had got lost in the confusion
11:41:35 <boily> what's an agatha weasel?
11:41:52 <Taneb> boily, a weasel in the possession of Agatha
11:42:05 <oerjan> boily: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php second panel on her head
11:43:45 <boily> oh, this Agatha. tdh.
11:43:53 <oerjan> boily: it's a cuddly abomination with 8 legs and the power to detect revenants hth
11:45:00 <oerjan> it's also, apparently, good at teasing bears and getting away with it.
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11:46:52 <b_jonas> `? preordain
11:46:55 <HackEgo> preordain? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
11:47:37 * boily will catch up to all of this some day
11:47:46 <b_jonas> `? ponder
11:47:47 <HackEgo> ponder? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
11:49:38 <Taneb> I've got a friend who's been caught up with GG since it was only a print comic
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12:05:57 <coppro> for some strange reason I was reading the City of Toronto Act this morning. In Ontario legislation, each paragraph gets its own heading. There is a paragraph in that Act where the drafter clearly ran out of creativity as it is entitled "What the tax ratios are"
12:06:41 <Taneb> What are tax ratios
12:06:44 <Taneb> We just don't know
12:06:58 <boily> The tax ratios are. That's what they do.
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12:10:40 <coppro> the actual text is elucidating
12:11:15 <coppro> *"What tax ratios are"
12:11:17 <coppro> The tax ratios are the ratios that the tax rate for each property class must be to the tax rate for the residential property class where the residential property class tax ratio is one.
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12:15:12 <oerjan> boily: eLuCiDating, isn't it
12:15:19 <oerjan> wait that was a C not an S
12:15:25 <oerjan> stupid runaway pun
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12:26:29 <mroman> `wisdom
12:26:31 <HackEgo> cake/The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
12:26:38 <mroman> o_O
12:26:46 <mroman> fungot: You a cake too?
12:26:46 <fungot> mroman: do you understand what your code do.
12:26:56 <mroman> fungot: Usually, yes.
12:26:56 <fungot> mroman: " exciting" might be potentially confusing to be useful. i intend to run one of the original
12:27:07 <boily> oerjan: maybe it's lussidating?
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12:57:06 <b_jonas> `? cube
12:57:07 <HackEgo> Cubes come in all sizes, colors and materials, but only one shape.
12:57:14 <b_jonas> `? dice
12:57:15 <HackEgo> dice? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
13:22:27 <mroman> `? shape
13:22:41 <HackEgo> shape? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
13:22:43 <mroman> `? color
13:22:46 <HackEgo> Color is a phenomenon from outer space designed to drive humanity insane and bring forth the new age of Cthulhu.
13:23:12 <mroman> Shape describe the shapes of things.
13:23:14 <mroman> obviously
13:23:20 <mroman> fungot: Are you in shape?
13:23:21 <fungot> mroman: ok thx... now about what messages are in terms of actually programming guis.)
13:23:32 <mroman> fungot: WM_PAINT?
13:23:33 <fungot> mroman: although extra level of indirection. kawa compiles to fnord sisc, but i'm not
13:23:48 <mroman> `? kawa
13:23:50 <HackEgo> kawa? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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13:24:50 <APic> Outer Space
13:25:00 <APic> Cthulhu
13:25:12 <APic> Humanity
13:26:08 <mroman> `? rectangle
13:26:11 <HackEgo> rectangle? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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14:27:04 <b_jonas> `? hurrdurr
14:27:06 <HackEgo> hurrdurr? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
14:28:59 <b_jonas> http://hurrdurr.org is now just a redirect to http://kernel.org rather than serving a modified version of the site
14:30:19 <FireFly> how did it modify it before?
14:35:42 <b_jonas> FireFly: had the title The Hurr Durr archives instead of The Kernel archives. it started out as an april's fool joke on 2015-04-01 when even kernel.org showed up that way for half a day, but later it remained only on http://hurrdurr.org with a content not often refreshed.
14:39:26 <b_jonas> FireFly: http://archive.is/hPuNF
14:41:18 <FireFly> Ah
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15:13:01 <b_jonas> RING THE OBELL!
15:13:32 <b_jonas> someone ring the obell!
15:16:00 <b_jonas> FireFly: ring the obell
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15:20:52 <FireFly> `olist
15:20:54 <HackEgo> olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
15:20:56 <FireFly> oh wait
15:21:03 <FireFly> I forgot the number.. oh well
15:21:47 <b_jonas> it's #1019
15:22:58 <FireFly> I don't want to re-olist or I bet people would complain
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22:47:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Call/cc]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46221 * Hppavilion1 * (+965) Created Page
22:55:07 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Surreal FOREVER loop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46222 * Hppavilion1 * (+1169) Created Page
22:56:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Surreal FOREVER loop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46223&oldid=46222 * Hppavilion1 * (+0) Fixed a ling
22:56:35 <hppavilion[1]> *link
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22:58:37 <boily> @metar CYUL
22:58:37 <lambdabot> CYUL 182254Z 25018G27KT 12SM -SN DRSN SCT030 BKN050 OVC075 M12/M16 A2971 RMK SC3SC3AC2 SLP066
22:58:57 <boily> G27 and DRSN. and there was much rejoicing.
23:01:13 <int-e> drifting snow... ah, there, gusts of wind. nice!
23:01:17 <int-e> @metar lowi
23:01:17 <lambdabot> LOWI 182250Z AUTO VRB01KT 9999 NCD M12/M13 Q1016
23:01:54 <fizzie> @metar EGLL
23:01:55 <lambdabot> EGLL 182250Z AUTO 05003KT 9999 NCD M01/M04 Q1015
23:02:03 <fizzie> Oh no, negative degrees!
23:02:29 <int-e> winter came
23:02:45 <fizzie> It's supposed to go away again before the end of the week.
23:02:54 <fizzie> Forecast for Saturday was 12, I think.
23:03:13 <boily> I like my shovel. my shovel is my friend.
23:03:15 <ais523> @metar EGBB
23:03:16 <lambdabot> EGBB 182250Z VRB02KT CAVOK M00/M00 Q1014
23:03:22 <ais523> (I think I remembered that correctly?)
23:03:35 <fizzie> Very cowlike weather.
23:03:36 <ais523> yep
23:04:15 <ais523> that's a very short METAR
23:04:41 <boily> his523. moooooooooo.
23:05:55 <int-e> Oh, CAVOK is obscure. "Ceiling and Visibility are OK"
23:08:19 <int-e> @metar loww
23:08:20 <lambdabot> LOWW 182250Z 20003KT 180V240 9999 BKN040 M07/M09 Q1019 R11/15//95 R16/19//95 NOSIG
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23:08:59 <int-e> @uptime
23:08:59 <lambdabot> uptime: 11d 3h 30m 25s, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s
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23:11:32 <boily> is that lambdie's uptime?
23:11:34 <boily> @uptime
23:11:34 <lambdabot> uptime: 11d 3h 33m, longest uptime: 1m 10d 23h 44m 29s
23:11:38 <boily> oh.
23:15:04 <int-e> it's more a measure of Freenode's stability than lambdabot's
23:15:58 <boily> fungot: are you stable?
23:15:59 <fungot> boily: because the us is more productive/ efficient for the community wiki database file works fine on my debian box
23:16:13 <boily> fungot debian boxes, so it is stable.
23:16:13 <fungot> boily: i'm writing a essay, of which information does not belong to that class
23:17:06 <int-e> fungot: it's good to keep an essay free of distractions like facts; keep it to the essentials
23:17:06 <fungot> int-e: that would be a little more specific? what does that expression evaluate to when l is empty.
23:17:30 <int-e> fungot: bottom, as a first approximation
23:17:31 <fungot> int-e: i don't look into any alternatives, we've got a *lot* of experience with s48/ scsh unfortunatly doesn't have source location, but it's stated in such an intrinsic way, i can
23:18:05 <int-e> fungot: you should read up about Böhm trees
23:18:05 <fungot> int-e: because threads don't print exceptions because they don't know how nscolor redcolor is implemented, so you don't need
23:20:18 <int-e> hmm... color-blind exceptions... something to dream of tonight
23:24:18 <hppavilion[1]> What fun things could I do with GUI?
23:24:24 <hppavilion[1]> Preferably something eso
23:24:45 <fizzie> fungot's current uptime is somewhere around 27 days.
23:24:45 <fungot> fizzie: how does that work in drscheme? or maybe i misunderstood your original remarks about posix.......
23:24:54 <fizzie> Which is pretty long for it.
23:26:40 <ais523> well, esolangs are often good in terms of uptime because they run on a very limited VM
23:26:52 <ais523> which means that they tend to be secure, assuming that the VM was written in an even approximately sane way (sometimes it isn't)
23:27:16 <ais523> like, I can imagine there are some BF implementations where < at the start of the tape just goes and points at random memory in the bss segment
23:27:28 <fizzie> Yes, but fungot doesn't have any reconnection capabilities, and it tends to get "read failed" from the server every so often.
23:27:28 <fungot> fizzie: the fact is that he says kela might not accept that!)) in scheme are scheme implementations with ( good).
23:28:24 <ais523> fizzie: wouldn't a reconnection still violate uptime issues?
23:28:39 <fizzie> Mmaybe. It depends on what it's measuring.
23:29:06 <fizzie> Also, Kela is the national social insurance organization of Finland, I wonder what they're not accepting.
23:29:35 <fizzie> Ah, medical leave.
23:35:50 <FireFly> fungot: are you sick? :(
23:35:51 <fungot> FireFly: the macro expander, 2) i can formulate it as a parameter
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23:43:59 <J_Arcane> Heh. Has some other Finn been filling fungot's head with weirdness?
23:44:00 <fungot> J_Arcane: they wanted to unite to one country in the map
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23:52:48 <fizzie> fungot: I thought Finland already was one country.
23:52:48 <fungot> fizzie: sicp relies on fewer bizarre, non-standard bells whistles; there is not guarantee of a merge option either
23:53:31 <fizzie> Some of the irc style is from my logs of IRCnet's #douglasadams, which was mostly Finns. (Now it's just dead.)
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