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00:02:05 <\oren\> koerjanbanha!
00:03:10 <oerjan> goorening
00:12:40 <oerjan> !zjoust hm <
00:12:41 <zemhill_> oerjan.hm: points -46.00, score 0.00, rank 47/47
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00:16:23 <Melvar> oerjan: So, the setting/update syntax in jq makes the whole thing look more like a sort of optics rather than arrows.
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00:19:18 <Melvar> Also, the Kleisli arrow is not sufficient anyway because there are also exceptions.
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00:21:57 <oerjan> OKAY
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00:23:52 <Melvar> `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse | arrays | .[0] | numbers) |= . + 10'
00:24:46 <HackEgo> ​[11,[12,3],4,[[15,6],7]]
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00:27:45 <Melvar> The filter on the left of the |= specifies paths, the items at which are updated by piping through the filter on the right.
00:28:53 <Melvar> And apparently the path specification is quite flexible.
00:29:26 <Melvar> `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse | arrays) |= {children: .}'
00:29:28 <HackEgo> jq: error (at <unknown>): Cannot index object with number
00:30:11 <Melvar> Huh, interesting.
00:31:06 <oerjan> i need a native english speaker: i'm seeing someone in wikipedia using the word "edition" to refer to particular years of a music festival, and that seems wrong to me. but i cannot think of the proper word to use...
00:31:36 <oerjan> alternatively, a confirmation that this is proper usage
00:32:46 * oerjan tries seaching for synonyms
00:33:16 <Melvar> `` jq -cn '[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | ([recurse] | reverse | .[] | arrays) |= {children: .}'
00:33:17 <HackEgo> jq: error (at <unknown>): Invalid path expression near attempt to access element 10 of [[1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]],1,[...
00:33:51 <oerjan> (ok in a pinch i'll accept a non-native english speaker too, if they remember the proper word :P)
00:35:54 <oerjan> version is the only general word but even that feels wrong for a festival
00:36:19 <oerjan> hm synonyms for version, maybe
00:41:25 <Melvar> `` jq -cn 'def recurse_rev(f; cond): def r: (f | select(cond) | r), .; r; [1,[2,3],4,[[5,6],7]] | (recurse_rev(.[]?; . != null) | arrays) |= {children: .}'
00:41:27 <HackEgo> ​{"children":[1,{"children":[2,3]},4,{"children":[{"children":[5,6]},7]}]}
00:41:38 <Melvar> Hooray!
00:42:34 <oerjan> maybe instance leads somewhere...
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00:43:11 <Melvar> oerjan: I’m pretty sure I’ve heard “edition” referring to a festival before.
00:44:09 <oerjan> Melvar: was it said by a native english speaker? because i suspect the paragramph i'm trying to correct was made by an italian.
00:44:13 <oerjan> *-m
00:44:24 <Melvar> I don’t know.
00:44:27 <oerjan> and it may actually be correct in that language.
00:44:38 <oerjan> (edizione can mean broadcast)
00:44:58 <oerjan> i'm getting closer: occasion _might_ work.
00:46:42 <oerjan> hm
00:46:51 <oerjan> otoh i _do_ find other uses.
00:46:59 * oerjan decides to just leave it.
00:47:10 <oerjan> there was enough other grammar to correct, anyway.
00:57:00 <oerjan> *sigh* this only made me annoyed again, especially when thesaurus.com became dog slow...
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00:59:17 <oerjan> could some of those people who occasionally keep telling me to get a real browser tell me: do either of firefox or gnome have the ability to _completely_ overrule web pages' ability to steal a particular interface shortcut such as left arrow or ctrl-click?
00:59:35 <oerjan> because those are starting to annoy me.
01:00:08 <oerjan> er,
01:00:10 <oerjan> *chrome
01:00:13 <oerjan> sheesh :P
01:00:40 <oerjan> (at least the keys _are_ right next to each other.)
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01:02:26 <oerjan> and by "a particular", i mean that it doesn't require shutting off all javascript features or the like.
01:03:51 * oerjan has obviously entered murphy's law mode again, as usual when he loses patience.
01:04:13 <oerjan> time to take a deep breath and relax.
01:05:00 * oerjan thinks murphy's law is just a facet of the law of attraction that happens when you allow yourself to become angry at things </wrong #esoteric>
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01:08:47 * oerjan goes back to youtube where this all started and clicks the next song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZijylLTdcWk
01:09:23 <zzo38> I would want the ability to wrap the JavaScript DOM with another JavaScript code
01:13:04 <oerjan> yeah i suppose that would give the ability, although not very user-friendly
01:13:43 <oerjan> in some sense you'd want browser virtualization, right?
01:13:54 <zzo38> Yes, something like that
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01:16:58 <oerjan> @messag
01:16:58 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: messages messages-loud messages?
01:17:40 <oerjan> @message?
01:17:40 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: messages? messages
01:21:00 <oerjan> @dt ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+.
01:21:00 <lambdabot> <unknown>.hs: 1: 1:Parse error: ++++++++
01:21:05 <oerjan> @ft ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+.
01:21:05 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: wn v rc pl let id faq do bf @ ? .
01:21:12 <oerjan> @do ++++++++[->++++++++<]>+.
01:21:12 <lambdabot> <unknown>.hs: 1: 1:Parse error: ++++++++
01:21:18 <oerjan> thought so.
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01:34:26 <oerjan> ^echo hi
01:34:26 <fungot> hi hi
01:44:01 <oerjan> `cat bin/prefixes
01:44:09 <HackEgo> ​#!/usr/bin/tail -n1 \ Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
01:44:35 <oerjan> `` tail -n1 bin/prefixes >wisdom/prefixes
01:44:41 <HackEgo> No output.
01:44:44 <oerjan> `? prefixes
01:44:48 <HackEgo> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
01:45:09 <oerjan> `mkx bin/prefixes/\? prefixes
01:45:12 <HackEgo> usage: mk[x] file//contents
01:45:14 <oerjan> oops
01:45:18 <oerjan> `mkx bin/prefixes//\? prefixes
01:45:22 <HackEgo> bin/prefixes
01:45:25 <oerjan> `prefixes
01:45:26 <HackEgo> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, idris-bot ( , jconn ) , j-bot [ .
01:46:48 <oerjan> there, one less syntax confusion to have to distinguish
01:55:18 <oerjan> hm it's getting warmer tomorrow
01:55:23 <oerjan> @metar ENVA
01:55:23 <lambdabot> ENVA 302350Z 12010KT 080V140 9999 SCT055 BKN110 10/01 Q1022 RMK WIND 670FT 14012KT
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01:57:13 <oerjan> @help defined
01:57:13 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
01:57:17 <oerjan> @defin
01:57:17 <lambdabot> Define what?
01:57:29 <oerjan> @help def
01:57:29 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
01:57:32 <oerjan> @help define
01:57:32 <lambdabot> let <x> = <e>. Add a binding
01:58:47 <oerjan> @tell int-e you know, it'd be more useful if @help did spelling corrections...
01:58:47 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
01:59:59 <oerjan> @tell int-e admittedly, that would ruin the challenge.
01:59:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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02:01:57 <oerjan> :t \p m -> maybe True p m == all p m
02:01:58 <lambdabot> (a -> Bool) -> Maybe a -> Bool
02:04:30 <oerjan> @check \f x -> map f x == x
02:04:32 <lambdabot> +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
02:04:51 * oerjan whistles innocently
02:05:11 <oerjan> if there just were anyone here to get confused.
02:06:46 <zzo38> Who do you want to confuse?
02:08:12 <oerjan> anyone who needs a flabbergasting
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02:13:18 <oerjan> @check \x y -> x ++ y == y ++ x
02:13:20 <lambdabot> +++ OK, passed 100 tests.
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03:24:52 <oerjan> . o O ( ^def codeword ul (WOULD YOU LIKE SOME CANDY?)S )
04:00:13 <oerjan> `addquote <quintopia> let's force all arabs to adopt more reasonable orthography <zzo38> quintopia: No that is not the correct solution <quintopia> zzo38: oh. okay. thanks.
04:01:23 <HackEgo> 1279) <quintopia> let's force all arabs to adopt more reasonable orthography <zzo38> quintopia: No that is not the correct solution <quintopia> zzo38: oh. okay. thanks.
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05:00:48 <zzo38> I wrote a lot more of UTCE specification (including parts of the encoding tables), although it is still far from completed
05:00:58 <zzo38> You can read what I have so far
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05:53:55 <hppavilion[1]> Hm...
05:54:03 <hppavilion[1]> I want to make a practical compiled language
05:54:18 <hppavilion[1]> But I want it to have nice new features
05:54:28 <hppavilion[1]> e.g. array programming in a C-like language
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06:22:55 <fowl> dat feeling when you fix a bug thats been bothering you for days
06:36:03 <hppavilion[1]> Ugh...
06:36:28 <hppavilion[1]> I've tried and retried to get a GCC cross-compiler working so many times that I'm beginning to understand the commands I'm executing
06:36:40 <hppavilion[1]> This sucks...
06:52:48 <zzo38> The communist hands are: royal flush, ace-high straight containing all suits, four of a kind and an ace, four aces and a king.
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07:42:34 <hppavilion[1]> @tell boily ][>:=~+
07:42:34 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
07:45:37 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: fancy hairstyle
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08:47:30 <gamemanj> *looks at prices of static RAM chips* for some reason I don't think BytePusher will be getting an implementation in hardware for quite a while...
08:49:47 <gamemanj> doing a quick search for a dynamic RAM shows the closest thing is a VG3617801CT (2MiB)... 8 of them would be needed, and: it's a dynamic RAM anyway!
08:55:48 <zzo38> BytePusher hardware would still need some kind of adding because it is using instructions which cannot be aligned.
08:56:11 <gamemanj> It needs an increment, yes.
08:56:27 <gamemanj> And it needs... let me think...
08:57:18 <gamemanj> 3 A Address read clocks (DDR means 1.5 but let's ignore that for now), 3 B Address read clocks, 2 clocks for R/W, 3 more clocks for jump address...
08:57:50 <gamemanj> And this is assuming a simple model of "memory takes 1 clock" (which is reasonable since every cycle does a memory access)
08:58:16 <gamemanj> (well, every... ok, the point is, every single time whatever magical "do stuff" signal happens, a memory access happens)
08:58:50 <gamemanj> Oh, except every 65536 instructions, the CPU has to be disconnected from the memory bus for video and audio hardware...
09:00:02 <gamemanj> To be honest, the only nice thing about BytePusher by the look of this is that the 216-colour palette leaves room for "special signal values" when doing sprites.
09:00:24 <gamemanj> Except, of course, that's if you're writing a program, not if playing around with the idea of building hardware.
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09:04:54 <gamemanj> Because then the 216-colour palette means you need memory for some sort of conversion table (division is hard)
09:05:09 * gamemanj sighs
09:05:41 <gamemanj> I don't think BytePusher will be getting a hardware version anytime soon
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09:07:32 <gamemanj> (And whatever hardware it's built with has to be capable of transferring, as a conservative estimate, 45MiB per second.)
09:12:05 <gamemanj> (At least I worked out how on earth to keep the dynamic RAM refreshing if need be. Last I read it was operated in pages, and luckily audio is a consistent set of 256 accesses sprinkled into a frame, so just make the lowest byte of an address the page, and disable output on all but 1 chip but still cause the accesses. Requires the layout of the memory to be x-chips-per-MiB, though.)
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09:15:58 <gamemanj> (Ah. Wikipedia explains it as being divided into rows, and all bits in a row are read at the same time. So, use chips with 256 or lower amount of "rows", and the audio cycles can handle refresh.)
09:16:18 <gamemanj> (Except that also requires that the chips are OK with being refreshed 60 times per second, no more.)
09:17:29 <gamemanj> (..."often 64 ms". Way more than enough time.)
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10:51:06 <int-e> gamemanj: your estimate is a bit off: for each instruction, you need to read 9 bytes; then you need to read and write a byte (random access) for the data, and then another 3 bytes to update the PC... so that's already 14 bytes... the hardware also has to deal with reading the pixels for display, so 65536 * 15 B * 60/s ~ 60MiB/s...
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10:51:59 <int-e> @tell oerjan I think the problem is with people who deliberately misspell commands.
10:51:59 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:52:17 <gamemanj> @tall gamemanj unknown height
10:52:17 <lambdabot> You can tell yourself!
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10:58:37 <fizzie> int-e: I'd like for every @ping misspelling to change the "pong" reply in an analogous way.
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11:59:01 <mroman> I hate incosistent websites.
11:59:38 <gamemanj> So anyway, the next task of the League Of Evil Typesetters: Create a typesetting tool that works inconsistently on websites...
11:59:46 <gamemanj> ...but completely cosistently.
11:59:53 <mroman> also why are window.close events still a thing
12:02:17 <FreeFull> gamemanj: Consistently inconsistent?
12:02:40 <gamemanj> FreeFull: "consistent" "cosistent"
12:02:56 <FreeFull> Ah, cosistently inconsistent
12:03:30 <FreeFull> Except that "cosistent" doesn't seem to be anything other than a misspelling =P
12:04:52 <mroman> no, it's the inversive of cosistent
12:05:01 <mroman> and a cosistent has something to do with cosinus
12:06:21 <FreeFull> co-sistent?
12:07:34 <gamemanj> ...
12:07:55 <gamemanj> so does that mean mroman hates consistent websites, or...
12:07:57 <gamemanj> I have no idea
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12:43:45 <int-e> mroman: did you miss the point where we no longer build websites... but web applications? of course you want to display "you've modified your data, did you want to save it?" dialogs.
12:46:26 <gamemanj> int-e: Why not just move data about "live" if it's a "it must stay connected" app,
12:46:35 <gamemanj> int-e: or save the data to local storage...
12:47:09 <gamemanj> Even better, have an in-built revision control system. No need to do a diff, you have the edits being streamed in from your app's frontend...
12:47:37 <gamemanj> View <-> RCS (Storage + RCS functions) <-> Storage
12:48:41 <int-e> because it's much easier to just display a popup and then lose the data
12:49:55 <int-e> To my mind the mistake is completely captured by the term "application" in "web application". You can make improvements from that premise, but you wont end up with anything good.
12:50:11 * int-e hates the versioned web, obviously.
12:51:34 <int-e> (and I say "versioned" because I'm not sure whether we still call it 2.0)
13:03:48 <FreeFull> Web 2.b
13:05:11 <gamemanj> I like to call it Web math.sin(os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24)) + 1
13:05:20 <gamemanj> hang on, sorry, messed up there
13:05:44 <gamemanj> I like to call it Web 1.9507776867409
13:07:06 <gamemanj> (alternately, if you like to discriminate based on time but not date: math.sin((os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24)) * 6.28318) + 1 )
13:09:38 <FreeFull> gamemanj: I think you meant cos
13:09:45 <gamemanj> Nooooooo
13:09:50 <gamemanj> who knows
13:09:55 <gamemanj> does it matter?
13:10:04 <gamemanj> it's just a difference in alignment
13:10:17 <gamemanj> and I really didn't care about which values came out
13:10:46 <FreeFull> Ah, I was thinking that os.time() / (60 * 60 * 24) would give a really small value, but that must be just my tiredness
13:11:08 <gamemanj> oh, it's meant to give a really small value at the right time
13:11:17 <gamemanj> such as the epoch
13:11:33 <gamemanj> ...actually, that's it
13:11:36 <gamemanj> that's the only time
13:11:53 <gamemanj> the day after the epoch it'll be 1
13:13:27 <gamemanj> use + 2 instead of + at the end if you really think the whole universe is at least web 1.0
13:13:37 <gamemanj> (correction: instead of + 1)
13:14:03 <gamemanj> but I doubt using + 3 is anywhere near correct
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13:50:15 <wifi_qjh> how are you
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13:51:24 <gamemanj> ?
13:55:41 <int-e> saw the topic, perhaps
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16:29:57 <\oren\> bohayoily!
16:33:56 <\oren\> ok, when did someone invent a kanji form for ぐぐる
16:35:24 <gamemanj> probably long ago?
16:35:29 <b_jonas> \oren\: people invent kanji for everything
16:36:22 <\oren\> gamemanj: what you're missing here is the verb "guguru" (to google) ewas inventd very recently
16:36:55 <gamemanj> that'll have done a number on the Unicode people
16:37:06 <b_jonas> \oren\: yes, but I think some people think there should be kanji for everything, even for words that are normally always written in kana
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16:45:45 <\oren\> http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12136872052 oh I forgot to post what I was reading
16:46:57 <\oren\> so yeah some aouthor decided that 繰繰る is a good way to spell it
16:47:22 <\oren\> it doesn't seem to be common however
16:54:13 <boily> \コレンにちは\!
16:54:19 * boily likes bohayoily
16:54:24 <boily> @massages-loud
16:54:24 <lambdabot> hppavilion[1] said 9h 11m 49s ago: ][>:=~+
16:54:40 <boily> @ask hppavilion[1] eh?
16:54:40 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:55:50 <boily> 繰 [JIS] 372B [Uni] 7e70 [部首] 120 [教育] 8 [画数] 19 [音] ソウ [訓] く.る [名] くり [英] winding; reel; spin; turn (pages); look up; refer to
16:56:07 <boily> ↑ it has "look up" and "refer to" in its definitions. makes sense.
16:57:10 <boily> `relcome Caesura
16:57:21 <Caesura> good morning
16:58:04 <HackEgo> Caesura: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
16:58:29 <boily> first time here?
17:01:42 <Caesura> nah
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17:01:51 <Kaynato> my irc client renames me automatically, sometimes
17:02:49 <Kaynato> `dao >S<
17:02:52 <HackEgo> No output.
17:03:07 <Kaynato> I noticed a tiny segfaulting program in daoyu, recently
17:03:17 <boily> Kaynatello, Cællosura!
17:03:37 <Kaynato> `dao $()>:S<
17:03:40 <HackEgo> Segmentation fault
17:03:52 <gamemanj> `lua "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01"
17:03:53 <HackEgo> lua: cannot open "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01": No such file or directory
17:04:01 * boily is happy to code in unsegfaulting languages
17:04:10 <gamemanj> ``lua -e "\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01"
17:04:12 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `lua: not found
17:04:14 <Kaynato> it's strange, since it doesn't segfault on my computer
17:04:23 <gamemanj> `` lua -e "print(\"\x01ACTION falls asleep\x01\")"
17:04:25 <HackEgo> ​.ACTION falls asleep.
17:04:25 <Kaynato> I do not know where this is occuring...
17:04:28 <Kaynato> ``gdb
17:04:31 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `gdb: not found
17:04:36 <gamemanj> HackEgo really does not want to fall asleep.
17:04:52 <Kaynato> Where can I open valgrind?
17:05:13 <boily> HackEgo is eternal. HackEgo does not sleep. All Hail HackEgo (except when hailing fungot).
17:05:13 <fungot> boily: i know someone who happens to know
17:05:34 <boily> fungot: of course you know. you're our All-Seing Eye.
17:05:35 <fungot> boily: you want to do quotas for memory. akin to fnord you have no fingerprints on a camera? ( i was talking
17:06:00 <gamemanj> Kaynato: well, there is one way... download the binary for dao, hope it runs, then replicate the results locally?
17:06:09 <gamemanj> Kaynato: (Note: Probably not a good idea)
17:06:35 <Kaynato> I've been compiling the same here....
17:07:13 <fizzie> Kaynato: Should that print "001"?
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17:07:42 <Kaynato> Yes
17:07:55 <fizzie> Then it's probably not the same bitness issue that previous one was.
17:08:05 <fizzie> (Because that's what it does locally for me.)
17:08:10 <Kaynato> Yet it segfaults from here, which is strange
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18:02:00 <b_jonas> `wisdom
18:02:02 <b_jonas> `? endian
18:02:07 <b_jonas> `? eggian
18:02:39 <HackEgo> eggian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:02:43 <HackEgo> endian? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:02:45 <HackEgo> meta/meta is about
18:03:02 <b_jonas> `? random
18:03:05 <HackEgo> random? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:03:15 <b_jonas> `? password
18:03:17 <HackEgo> The password of the month is supercalifragilisticexpialidociouszU0dIxy1RhtbmYoTJFigBQ (There. Compromise.)
18:03:52 <Melvar> `? jq
18:03:54 <HackEgo> jq? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:04:01 <b_jonas> `? tribble
18:04:05 <HackEgo> tribble? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:08:32 <int-e> `le/rn tribble/99 tribbles on the wall, take one down, pass it around, 117 tribbles on the wall.
18:08:38 <HackEgo> Learned «tribble»
18:09:22 <b_jonas> heh
18:36:38 <myname> wat
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18:52:55 <gamemanj> that makes no sense...
19:00:08 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46897&oldid=46896 * H3LL * (+0) /* Confusion */
19:01:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46898&oldid=46897 * H3LL * (+1)
19:02:46 <fowl> Tribbles are born pregnant and have an average litter of 10
19:03:31 <myname> so, how do you end up at 117?
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19:06:56 <fizzie> For example, by having -- while the one was being passed around -- two of the wall-tribbles give birth, to litters of sizes 7 and 11, respectively.
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19:07:48 <myname> why only two of them?
19:08:01 <fizzie> Why not? It doesn't take that long to pass a tribble around, I don't think.
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19:17:39 <fowl> They give birth every hour too iirc
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19:25:09 <fizzie> So you could argue it likely takes something like one and a half minutes to pass one around, if two gave birth during that time.
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19:45:51 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46899&oldid=46898 * H3LL * (-1) /* Comparison operator */
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20:17:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46900&oldid=46876 * LegionMammal978 * (+21) /* C */
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20:30:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46901&oldid=46899 * H3LL * (+403) /* Example programs */
21:07:44 <b_jonas> `? spoon
21:07:46 <b_jonas> `? cake
21:08:52 <HackEgo> The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
21:08:52 <HackEgo> spoon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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21:14:01 <int-e> `? secret
21:14:04 <HackEgo> secret? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:14:29 <int-e> `` touch wisdom/secret; chmod 000 wisdom/secret
21:14:43 <HackEgo> No output.
21:14:52 <int-e> `? secret
21:14:56 <HackEgo> secret? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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21:15:18 <int-e> `` ls -la wisdom/secret
21:15:22 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/secret: No such file or directory
21:15:49 <int-e> oh, perhaps mercurial had trouble with that would-be commit
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21:18:26 <shachaf> `` chmod 000 wisdom/cake
21:18:28 <HackEgo> No output.
21:18:29 <shachaf> `` hg log -l 1
21:18:33 <HackEgo> changeset: 7637:62e9db64acb2 \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Sun May 01 17:08:36 2016 +0000 \ summary: <int-e> le/rn tribble/99 tribbles on the wall, take one down, pass it around, 117 tribbles on the wall.
21:20:05 <int-e> `? cake
21:20:07 <HackEgo> cat: cake: Permission denied
21:20:26 <shachaf> oh
21:20:28 <int-e> `rm canary
21:20:30 <HackEgo> No output.
21:20:31 <int-e> `? cake
21:20:36 <HackEgo> cat: cake: Permission denied
21:20:41 <int-e> interesting.
21:20:54 <boily> what are you guys doing to that poor HackEgo again?
21:20:54 <shachaf> `cat canary
21:20:55 <HackEgo> ​*tsjørp*
21:20:58 <myname> what the hell is this canary thing about?
21:20:59 <shachaf> `` chmod 000 canary
21:21:02 <HackEgo> No output.
21:21:16 <boily> myname: mynamello. it's a canary hth
21:21:33 <int-e> it does canary things
21:21:36 <ais523> myname: as a clue, try deleting it
21:21:45 <ais523> then try deleting it and something else at the same time
21:21:47 <myname> i know the error on revert
21:21:53 <int-e> `` rm canary; list
21:21:55 <myname> but... why?
21:22:29 <int-e> fungot: help!
21:22:30 <fungot> int-e: i can understand a fnord approach for really trivial stuff, who cares. we have just delayed their construction so that their kids can still make off it
21:22:38 <HackEgo> hppavilion[1] Phantom_Hoover int-e b_jonas boily a`a`a`a`jo7as a`a`a`a`jo8as a`a`a`a`jo3as a`a`a`a`jo6as a`a`a`a`jo5as a`a`a`a`jo4as a`a`a`a`jo2as a`a`a`a`jo1as a`a`a`a`jonas0 a`a`a`a lambdabot chicken_jonas myname
21:22:42 <ais523> here's a bigger clue
21:22:42 <int-e> fungot: who cares, hackego's slow...
21:22:42 <fungot> int-e: i don't think they look very like latin x nowadays, too.)
21:22:44 <hppavilion[1]> Yes?
21:22:53 <ais523> `` rm *
21:23:00 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `bin': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `cdescs': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `emoticons': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `esobible': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `etc': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `evil': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `factor': Is a directory \ rm: cannot remove `good': Is a directo
21:23:03 <ais523> `ls
21:23:07 <HackEgo> ​^ \ :-( \ !\.´ \ 71ab5gx8 \ 99 \ 99bb \ bdsmreclist \ bin \ canary \ cat \ cdescs \ Complaints.mp3 \ :-D \ daoyu.c \ dog \ emoticons \ equations \ esobible \ etc \ Eternity \ evil \ factor \ foo \ good \ hia \ hw \ ibin \ interps \ karma \ le \ lib \ ls_dev \ marsha \ misle \ paste \ ply-3.8 \ quine \ quines \ quotes \ ReUariBw \ share \ Someth
21:23:14 <ais523> myname: figured it out yet?
21:23:28 <int-e> `` rm canary wisdom/cake
21:24:01 <myname> i don't get what's special about canary
21:24:27 <int-e> HackEgo: you're supposed to say "No output." here...
21:24:30 <HackEgo> rm: remove write-protected regular file `wisdom/cake'?
21:24:34 <int-e> oh.
21:24:41 <int-e> `` rm -f canary wisdom/cake
21:24:46 <HackEgo> No output.
21:24:51 <int-e> `? cake
21:24:59 <HackEgo> The Enrichment Center is required to remind you that you will be baked, and then there will be cake.
21:25:09 <hppavilion[1]> @massages-lud
21:25:09 <lambdabot> boily asked 4h 30m 29s ago: eh?
21:25:47 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:25:47 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:25:48 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:25:49 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:25:49 <shachaf> `wisdom
21:26:04 <hppavilion[1]> boily: ][>:=~+
21:26:20 <myname> `ls -la canary
21:26:31 <b_jonas> is it some sort of built-in protection to revert any command that deletes everything?
21:26:43 <boily> hppavilion[1]: hppavellon[1]. ????????
21:26:51 <hppavilion[1]> boily: *sigh*
21:26:53 <hppavilion[1]> boily: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=177
21:27:12 <boily> ah! heh :D
21:27:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Orso * New user account
21:27:36 <HackEgo> No output.
21:28:09 <boily> b_jonas: b_jhellonas. it protects. may be related to SCP-███ hth.
21:28:14 <hppavilion[1]> boily: It's not funny.
21:28:20 <hppavilion[1]> boily: It's tragic
21:29:07 <b_jonas> boily: ah
21:29:20 <myname> huh?
21:29:26 <HackEgo> No output.
21:29:28 <HackEgo> No output.
21:29:28 <HackEgo> ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information.
21:29:30 <HackEgo> l/L is far too short to be a village in Wales.
21:29:30 <HackEgo> brainf**k/There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck.
21:29:35 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46902&oldid=46901 * H3LL * (+0) /* Accessing to the registries */
21:29:43 <myname> wat
21:30:00 <boily> it's a stew, usually eaten with injera.
21:30:17 <int-e> `` env | grep IRC
21:30:21 <HackEgo> No output.
21:31:15 <myname> i don't understand a word
21:31:39 <hppavilion[1]> What kinds of things would Mad Scientific Computing use?
21:35:09 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: Gluten extract!
21:35:18 <int-e> <spoiler>https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/src/99a9363fd27d9e56c99361e6f780dff8ac18e2f1/multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd?at=default#tr_60.cmd-89</spoiler>
21:38:03 <myname> but... why?
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21:38:27 <hppavilion[1]> myname: SCIENCE DOES NOT CONCERN ITSELF WITH "WHY"!
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21:38:50 <int-e> hppavilion[1]: why are you saying that?
21:39:03 <hppavilion[1]> int-e: BECAUSE... SCIENCE!
21:39:04 <Hoolootwo> I'm like 90% sure that's what science is, just asking why a bunch of times
21:39:16 <hppavilion[1]> Hoolootwo: That's philosophy
21:39:21 * gamemanj gets out popcorn and marshmallows
21:39:35 <gamemanj> Anyone want to roast marshmallows on the flames of the flame war?
21:39:35 <hppavilion[1]> Hoolootwo: Science is "what" and "how", but not "why"
21:39:37 <boily> science is "why", engineering is "how", management is "when".
21:39:39 <gamemanj> Also, there's popcorn.
21:39:48 <Hoolootwo> oh I guess I confused why with how
21:39:51 <boily> maple flavour popcorn.
21:39:59 <shachaf> i,i one-dimensional mathematics does not concern itself with "why"
21:40:02 <int-e> Why does the apple fall from the tree?
21:40:03 <gamemanj> boily: Ah, sorry, I only have toffee here.
21:40:25 <gamemanj> Hmm...
21:40:38 * gamemanj gives boily the bag of popcorn, and grabs some maple syrup
21:40:42 <boily> int-e: I can build you an apple faller machine.
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21:40:54 <int-e> boily: sounds interesting
21:40:54 <myname> shachaf: lol
21:41:01 <Hoolootwo> that's engineering now
21:41:03 * gamemanj then pours the syrup all over the popcorn, so the bag of popcorn is also filled with syrup
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21:41:19 <gamemanj> there
21:41:30 <gamemanj> maple(-syrup) flavoured popcorn
21:41:35 <gamemanj> with extra syrup
21:41:44 <int-e> hppavilion[1]: anyway, science is all about "why"... "why should I spend my time on listening to your ideas rather than theirs?"
21:41:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Confusion]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=46903&oldid=46902 * H3LL * (+29)
21:42:39 * gamemanj meanwhile gets a stick, impales an innocent marshmallow onto it, and then puts it into the flames of the debate
21:42:57 <gamemanj> And this is practicalism!
21:43:32 <gamemanj> Hmm... probably should've gotten a second marshmallow...
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21:43:51 * gamemanj takes the marshmallow out of the flames, and waits for it to cool down
21:44:25 <gamemanj> Given how long that was, it'll probably be nice and crispy by now
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21:45:15 <gamemanj> Anyway, int-e, you realize that's closer to management? "why should I spend my time on listening to your ideas when I can just fire you?"
21:45:46 <gamemanj> Two sides, same coin!
21:45:54 * gamemanj noms the marshmallow
21:55:23 <int-e> it hurts but there's some truth to it
21:55:39 <int-e> I guess there's "management" in "time management" too...
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22:04:17 <boily> fungot: nostril.
22:04:17 <fungot> boily: the second is something that can't be expressed with syntax-rules?
22:04:47 <boily> The Nostril that can be expressed through syntax-rules is not the True Nostril.
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22:07:14 <gamemanj> also, seconds can't be expressed via syntax-rules either last I checked
22:07:29 <gamemanj> Depends, do you prefer ice cream or tomatoes?
22:07:39 <gamemanj> ...ok, not that kind of seconds, time :)
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22:11:43 <quintopia> helloily
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22:18:37 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Confusion]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=46904 * Quintopia * (+314) Created talk page
22:21:33 <boily> quinthellopia
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22:46:43 <quintopia> phantom_helloover
22:47:48 <Phantom_Hoover> hello quintopia
22:49:03 <int-e> `? nostril
22:49:09 <HackEgo> nostril? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:50:19 <int-e> > sum [sin phi^3 | phi <- [0,0.1..pi]] / 10 -- amazed how close this comes to 4/3
22:50:21 <lambdabot> 1.333333524920473
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22:58:00 <myname> didn't we have a nostril entry?
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23:10:14 <hppavilion[1]> I now seem to have to build grub
23:10:18 <hppavilion[1]> I think I've figured out how
23:10:44 <ais523|netcat> hppavilion[1]: err, what are you trying to do? (also your nick is annoying to type without tab complete)
23:11:01 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|netcat: Yay for annoyingness!
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23:11:04 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|netcat: OS dev.
23:11:21 <ais523|netcat> oh, that makes sense
23:11:22 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|netcat: the wiki says I need grub, so I got the source from the ftp.gnu.org
23:11:25 <ais523|netcat> in a VM, I hope?
23:11:31 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|netcat: Yes, of course xD
23:11:55 <ais523|netcat> also I guess there's a case to be used for using UEFI as the bootloader nowadays rather than GRUB (for example, Linux is bootable like this)
23:11:57 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|netcat: And now I'm just following the configure/make/install process that is permanently burned into my corneas
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23:16:14 * hppavilion[1] hopes that he isn't doing it the stupid way
23:16:32 * hppavilion[1] waited to send that message until ais523|rlwrap (or ais523 of any variety) came back online
23:17:06 <ais523|rlwrap> I'm in the middle of a distro upgrade
23:17:31 <ais523|rlwrap> things are breaking randomly, including most of my GUI programs (surprisingly, Firefox is holding up just fine, but qwebirc isn't working on it for some reason)
23:18:30 <myname> what distro
23:18:37 <ais523|rlwrap> Ubuntu
23:18:42 <b_jonas> hppavilion: what? you don't have to build grub. just use a pre-built binary.
23:18:58 <shachaf> ais523|rlwrap: that's why you gotta nixos hth
23:19:18 <myname> people actually use nixos?
23:22:00 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: On windows? Can't find any
23:22:21 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: I'm trying to get grub-mkrescue, and "grub" was the only directory on the gnu ftp that seemed like it might have that.
23:22:41 * hppavilion[1] braces for impact
23:23:36 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: there are grub binaries you can write on a floppy or cd or usb drive or something, and boot from them, and install grub that way
23:23:36 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: What am I doing wrong?
23:23:42 <b_jonas> the windows thing doesn't matter
23:23:59 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: I'm using an emulator. I don't even /have/ a floppy disk drive (or a cd drive, for that matter)
23:24:14 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: And is grub the program that'll get me grub-mkrescue?
23:25:37 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: what? an emulator makes it EASIER to have a floppy drive these days
23:25:46 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Um, huh?
23:25:59 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: By "floppy disk" you mean an actual floppy disk, correct? The thing made out of matter?
23:25:59 <b_jonas> I don't have a hardware floppy drive in this house (although I could buy one), but I have a floppy drive in emulated machines
23:25:59 <ais523|rlwrap> I own a USB floppy drive, and have used it on occasoin
23:26:06 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Ah
23:26:24 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: but it doesn't have to be a floppy, it can be a cd or dvd or a pendrive
23:26:31 <myname> i still don't get why you need to compile anything if you want to use it in a vm
23:26:33 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: you just need a different image than for floppy drive
23:26:35 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: But you haven't answered my question.
23:27:16 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: for an emulated machine, you don't need an actual hardware floppy disk. to boot a hardware machine (not en emulated one), you'd use a real floppy disk or a real cd or dvd
23:27:20 <hppavilion[1]> myname: According to the os dev wiki (wiki.osdev.org), I need grub-mkrescue to boot the kernel (or maybe to make it bootable, not sure which, haven't gotten that far yet)
23:27:39 <myname> the only reason to compile grub on windows is to actually use grub for booting windows
23:27:44 <myname> which i assume you won't
23:27:46 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Yes, for "Building a bootable cdrom image"
23:27:54 <hppavilion[1]> myname: So is grub not the thing with grub-mkrescue?
23:28:00 <ais523|rlwrap> myname: GRUB doesn't boot Windows, it chain-loads it
23:28:13 <myname> grub is a thung that lets you boot oses first of all
23:28:19 <myname> ais523|rlwrap: yeah
23:28:19 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Yes, I knew that
23:28:40 <myname> but it still doesn't make any sense to build grub on windows instead of loading a binary
23:28:48 <hppavilion[1]> myname: It was the first thing that came to mind
23:29:02 <ais523|rlwrap> myname: I assume that GRUB binaries are OS-agnostic?
23:29:03 <myname> that may be because you can't linux
23:29:20 <myname> ais523|rlwrap: that's the point
23:29:38 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: sort of
23:29:52 <myname> there are os-agnostic binaries to download and he just compiles stuff on a windows machine
23:29:57 <myname> doesn't make sense
23:30:06 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: there's the grub you boot from bios or stuff, but there are also versions of grub you boot from an operating system, like one you boot from linux and one you boot from dos
23:30:44 <myname> well yeah, but then again: there are binaries for grib4dos
23:30:46 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: the latter kind are useful for installers that run under an operating system, because they're used to install the first kind of grub to your machine without having to reboot to run the first kind of grub
23:30:56 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: but if you're installing grub by hand, then I recommend the former
23:31:24 <b_jonas> (The grub running from dos is also useful because it can actually boot an operating system. The grub under linux doesn't do that.)
23:31:31 <ais523|rlwrap> what are the former and latter? I can't find it in scrollback
23:31:47 <ais523|rlwrap> (mostly because I can't easily find anything in scrollback with this client)
23:31:57 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: former is the grub you boot from bios, the latter is grub running under an operating system as a process
23:32:03 <ais523|rlwrap> I feel like Vorpal :-P
23:32:22 <ais523|rlwrap> I didn't realise that GRUB could run inside an OS
23:33:00 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: linux installers often run grub on linux
23:33:10 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: that grub can't boot anything, but it can install grub
23:33:14 <b_jonas> which is why they run it
23:33:22 <b_jonas> (well, it can usually install grub. there are ways it can go wrong.)
23:33:26 <myname> yo dawg
23:33:32 <myname> i heard you like grub
23:33:55 <ais523|rlwrap> I know that GRUB's installer can run on Linux, but normally I consider the installer to be separate from the program itself
23:34:08 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: it's basically the same program, with some parts replaced
23:34:37 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: and there's a grub running under dos which can actually boot operating systems, but that's easier because you know DOS
23:35:14 <ais523|rlwrap> well GRUB running under UEFI can boot OSes too, and that's actually a common configuration
23:35:24 <ais523|rlwrap> but UEFI is somewhere between an OS and a BIOS in terms of functionality
23:35:34 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: yep, the grub under DOS is a strange eso-beast
23:35:42 <b_jonas> I don't recommend actually using it
23:35:47 <b_jonas> to boot a linux from dos, I recommend loadlin
23:36:12 <b_jonas> either that, or just reboot from dos into bios
23:36:16 <ais523|rlwrap> strange eso-beasts are the sort of thing we love here though
23:36:25 <b_jonas> ais523|rlwrap: yes, I know
23:36:41 <ais523|rlwrap> I've been looking into EFI a bunch, been considering writing my own rEFIt-alike
23:36:47 <ais523|rlwrap> but with end to end security
23:36:51 <b_jonas> (like termbot, which runs dos in irc)
23:36:54 <ais523|rlwrap> Secure Boot is weird, though
23:37:16 <ais523|rlwrap> in particular, there's an issue under Linux atm where the recommended API for setting Secure Boot variables is capable of creating new ones
23:37:27 <ais523|rlwrap> but not changing the value of existing ones, even if you have permission to do so
23:37:42 <ais523|rlwrap> I'm hoping that the current Ubuntu upgrade will fix that
23:39:46 <fizzie> `forth hex bl a + emit
23:39:48 <HackEgo> ​*
23:39:49 <fizzie> That's allegedly a good idea, because "blat" (bl a +) is mnemonical for *.
23:40:31 <ais523|rlwrap> `echo this is a test of what HackEgo's invisible characters look like
23:40:32 <HackEgo> this is a test of what HackEgo's invisible characters look like
23:40:43 <ais523|rlwrap> huh, there weren't any
23:40:53 <myname> yes there are
23:40:55 <ais523|rlwrap> at least, that I could see
23:40:59 <b_jonas> fizzie: uh what?
23:41:04 <ais523|rlwrap> and I'm using cat -v
23:41:06 <myname> well, it's invisible
23:41:29 <ais523|rlwrap> right, but I thought cat -v didn't understand Unicode
23:41:38 <hppavilion[1]> yo kat
23:41:41 <ais523|rlwrap> in which case it wouldn't know they were meant to be invisible and thus would visify them
23:42:24 <fizzie> ais523|rlwrap: There's no invisible characters for ^[a-z].
23:42:28 <fizzie> Or some-such.
23:42:35 <fizzie> Try starting with, say, >.
23:42:48 <myname> wat
23:43:06 <ais523|rlwrap> `echo > 2
23:43:08 <HackEgo> ​> 2
23:43:14 <ais523|rlwrap> right, now I see them
23:43:23 <myname> ah
23:43:24 <ais523|rlwrap> `echo lambdabot: @help
23:43:25 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @help
23:43:25 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
23:43:33 <fizzie> Well, it's not perfect. :)
23:43:34 <ais523|rlwrap> err
23:43:45 <ais523|rlwrap> wait no, that did get lambdabot to respond
23:43:53 <ais523|rlwrap> I thought I'd forgotten the @echo
23:43:57 <boily> `le/rn wat/ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው።
23:44:05 <HackEgo> Relearned «wat»
23:44:08 <b_jonas> hmm, did someone mention yolo? maybe one day I should bring termbot here. only I should change its invocation character to something different.
23:44:18 <ais523|rlwrap> how does @where work?
23:44:23 <myname> so, if we build a two-step quine for lambdabot and hackego we might botspam?
23:44:27 * boily hates his latex guts. let's see how I can make that one work...
23:44:28 <ais523|rlwrap> I've got the botloop urge again
23:44:32 <b_jonas> because backtick clashes with hackego
23:44:59 <boily> b_jonas: bring in your bot for great good!
23:45:00 <fizzie> myname: lambdabot's bot-loop prevention is more robust, I think.
23:45:08 <boily> b_jonas: please note that ~ is mine hth
23:45:14 <ais523|rlwrap> @where ais523
23:45:14 <lambdabot> I know nothing about ais523.
23:45:20 <ais523|rlwrap> @help where
23:45:20 <lambdabot> where <key>. Return element associated with key
23:45:25 <b_jonas> what do you think I should use for the invocation character? right square bracket maybe, because I used that for evalj?
23:45:26 <hppavilion[1]> boily: IMHO, if LaTeX makes it difficult to print a character, it's pretty shitty system.
23:45:29 <b_jonas> or yen sign?
23:45:37 <ais523|rlwrap> @help set
23:45:37 <lambdabot> help <command>. Ask for help for <command>. Try 'list' for all commands
23:45:47 <b_jonas> (because in some ascii-like character sets yen sign is in the palce of backtick)
23:45:49 <ais523|rlwrap> @list
23:45:49 <lambdabot> What module? Try @listmodules for some ideas.
23:45:56 <ais523|rlwrap> @help list
23:45:57 <lambdabot> list [module|command]. Show commands for [module] or the module providing [command].
23:46:05 <ais523|rlwrap> @list where
23:46:05 <lambdabot> where provides: where url what where+
23:46:24 <b_jonas> but if I bring termbot here, then you'll be very angry at me
23:46:27 <b_jonas> and kick me out of here
23:46:32 <b_jonas> so it's really a yolo thing
23:47:08 <ais523|rlwrap> @where+ ais523test `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:47:08 <lambdabot> Done.
23:47:14 <fizzie> With all the bots, there should probably be a bot allocating prefixes.
23:47:16 <ais523|rlwrap> @where ais523test
23:47:16 <lambdabot> `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:47:18 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: indirecho: not found
23:47:35 <b_jonas> fizzie: no no, it should be a distributed protocol with no central bot
23:47:53 <ais523|rlwrap> `mk/x bin/PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/indirecho echo "$@"
23:47:54 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/mk/x: No such file or directory
23:48:00 <ais523|rlwrap> `mkx bin/PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mkx bin/indirecho echo "$@"
23:48:02 <HackEgo> usage: mk[x] file//contents
23:48:02 <boily> hppavilion[1]: some people switched from LaTeX to one of the newer macro systems with full Unicode support out-of-the-hbox, but I stick with the one I know.
23:48:02 <b_jonas> fizzie: only a meta-channel where the bots argue with each other about the prefixes
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23:48:09 <boily> hppavilion[1]: sentimental attachment and all that.
23:48:20 <ais523|rlwrap> `mkx bin/PRIVMSG//bin/indirecho echo "$@"
23:48:25 <HackEgo> bin/PRIVMSG
23:48:34 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Only full unicode support? Lame.
23:48:43 <ais523|rlwrap> `mkx bin/indirecho//echo "$@"
23:48:50 <HackEgo> bin/indirecho
23:48:58 <ais523|rlwrap> `indirecho test 1 test 2
23:48:59 <HackEgo> test 1 test 2
23:49:06 <ais523|rlwrap> @where ais523test
23:49:06 <lambdabot> `indirecho PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:49:07 <HackEgo> PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ ais523test `echo lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:49:10 <hppavilion[1]> `echo(echo(echo(echo)))
23:49:12 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo(echo(echo(echo))): not found
23:49:33 <ais523|rlwrap> wow, this is confusing, I'm dealing with two levels of escaping at once
23:49:58 <ais523|rlwrap> @where+ ais523test `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:49:58 <lambdabot> Okay.
23:50:04 <ais523|rlwrap> @where ais523test
23:50:04 <lambdabot> `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:50:06 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:50:07 <lambdabot> `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:50:08 <HackEgo> lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:50:08 <lambdabot> `indirecho lambdabot: @where ais523test
23:50:08 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +q *!*@
23:50:24 <ais523|rlwrap> `rm bin/indirecho
23:50:31 <fizzie> Tht would've been simpler.
23:50:33 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -q *!*@
23:50:38 <b_jonas> as for termbot, I should add a simple wrapper script to it that compiles and runs a C program
23:50:48 <ais523|rlwrap> ;I
23:50:53 <ais523|rlwrap> I wrote an echo wrapper for a reason :-P
23:50:56 <b_jonas> as in, a program you type as an argument
23:51:22 <ais523|rlwrap> also I thought lambdabot had anti-botloop protection which caused it to temporarily part (quit?) if it thought it was in a botloop
23:51:36 <b_jonas> nah, it won't work
23:51:44 <ais523|rlwrap> b_jonas: ?
23:51:46 <b_jonas> the problme is that dos has a really short limit on command line length
23:52:01 <hppavilion[1]> ais523|rlwrap: But halting problem etc.
23:52:35 <ais523|rlwrap> huh, are codu's logs working?
23:52:35 <b_jonas> bot loops, hah!
23:52:40 <b_jonas> you don't need bot loops for termbot
23:52:43 <b_jonas> that's the whole point
23:52:48 <b_jonas> termbot is noisy all alone
23:53:02 <hppavilion[1]> `palpatine
23:53:03 <ais523|rlwrap> I've pretty much lost track of this channel
23:53:03 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: palpatine: not found
23:53:05 <b_jonas> like, you can type it a six character long command to make it emit pages of junk
23:53:17 <ais523|rlwrap> but stalker mode isn't showing recent messages
23:53:28 <fizzie> ais523|rlwrap: They've been broken for a while, I think.
23:53:45 <fizzie> ais523|rlwrap: Gregor's been equally absent, and glogbot (or whatever the name was) isn't here.
23:53:49 <ais523|rlwrap> right, not showing anything since April
23:53:57 <ais523|rlwrap> what about glogbackup? Also missing?
23:54:00 <fizzie> Also.
23:54:33 <fizzie> Also I think you're right, and it did have a "part if in a loop" heuristic, but it seems to take at least 5 repetitions to activate.
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23:54:39 <fizzie> "It" being lambdabot.
23:54:50 <fizzie> Well, the first it.
23:56:45 <fizzie> The tunes.org logs are working, but they don't have stalker mode.
23:57:25 <ais523|rlwrap> view-source:http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/16.05.01 seems to work
23:57:39 <ais523|rlwrap> without the view-source: Firefox thinks it's a video for some reason
23:58:17 <myname> magic numbers?
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