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00:02:30 <gamemanj> int-e: "overtly generous"... seems an understatement
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00:12:32 <zzo38> I started writing a document in TeX to describe Z-machine specification; my document is in the public domain and aims to be complete. Currently only the contents of the header and extension table are described.
00:12:41 <zzo38> (Except that TWID is not yet described.)
00:12:56 <tswett> 04:50:17:44:54:58:49:04:09:04:55:34:47:52:25: <!arg7@w>| ofh mrsL /he hocercd Tped- #o-tc: h3s has joan Heey piteuuc'teasu(ttou
00:18:14 <zzo38> Can someone be Zen Pagan Atheist Taoist Discordian?
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01:01:07 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
01:02:13 <int-e> but no kitten
01:02:21 <oerjan> i considered it.
01:02:40 <oerjan> in fact, considering it was the immediate prerequisite.
01:03:00 <oerjan> *precursor
01:04:38 <int-e> so it's about rejected kittens now
01:05:25 -!- oerjan has set topic: The interdisciplinary hub of solidity matrices, esoteric programming language design, and font forging | Ingredients: Neutronium kittens | Still BOOM! | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | http://esolangs.org/ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
01:05:30 <oerjan> FINE
01:09:24 * int-e purrs demonstratively
01:09:36 <int-e> my work here is done, good night!
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01:19:08 <oerjan> `? member
01:19:28 <HackEgo> member? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:20:32 <oerjan> `le/rn member/I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
01:20:46 <HackEgo> Learned «member»
01:37:29 <tswett> `? pokemon
01:37:38 <HackEgo> pokemon? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:38:04 <tswett> `learn A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket.
01:38:10 <HackEgo> Learned 'pokemon': A pokemon is a monster that you keep in your pocket.
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01:39:37 <tswett> Man, this thing could be better.
01:40:17 <oerjan> tswett: you know that's the actual etymology, right?
01:40:31 <tswett> oerjan: yes.
01:40:37 <shachaf> oerjan: what are you implying about the wisdom database hth
01:40:56 <tswett> But "monster that you keep in your pocket" is a pretty bad description of Pokemon.
01:40:58 <oerjan> >_> <_<
01:41:10 <oerjan> shachaf: look, unicorns!
01:41:30 <shachaf> I guess you'd prefer wisdom to have itymologies rather than etymologies.
01:41:35 <oerjan> also that's a really bad spot to put a hth hth
01:42:07 <oerjan> shachaf: sorry, that was last generation, now we're upgrading to ichtymologies hth
01:42:16 <shachaf> oerjan: but that would've been a really good spot to put a tdnh tdnh
01:42:33 <tswett> twhhh
01:43:01 <shachaf> do you mean twhhhh
01:43:07 <shachaf> or, rather, twhhhhh
01:43:23 <shachaf> that would have helped hungry hungry hippos
01:43:43 <shachaf> `? ichtymology
01:43:47 <oerjan> `cat bin/nooodl
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01:43:52 <HackEgo> Ichtymology is like itymology, but even more fishy.
01:43:52 <HackEgo> cat: bin/nooodl: No such file or directory
01:43:57 <oerjan> `cat bin/noodl
01:43:58 <HackEgo> cat: bin/noodl: No such file or directory
01:44:01 <oerjan> hmph
01:44:02 <shachaf> rnooodl hth
01:44:08 <shachaf> `? hmph
01:44:10 <oerjan> `cat bin/rnooodl
01:44:10 <HackEgo> His Master's Phonetic Hmph
01:44:11 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/([Nn])ooodl/"$1@{[o x(3+rand 7)]}dl"/ge'
01:44:59 <shachaf> `? unicorns
01:45:01 <HackEgo> unicorns? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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01:46:16 <shachaf> @wn ichtymology
01:46:18 <lambdabot> No match for "ichtymology".
01:46:21 <shachaf> @wn ichthymology
01:46:22 <lambdabot> No match for "ichthymology".
01:46:22 <shachaf> oops
01:46:26 <shachaf> @wn ichtyology
01:46:27 <lambdabot> No match for "ichtyology".
01:46:29 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(.)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
01:46:30 <shachaf> @wn ichthyology
01:46:31 <lambdabot> *** "ichthyology" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
01:46:31 <lambdabot> ichthyology
01:46:31 <lambdabot> n 1: the branch of zoology that studies fishes
01:46:33 <HackEgo> bin/rnooodl
01:47:00 <oerjan> `` echo "yaaaaaaaaaaay"
01:47:01 <shachaf> `` echo hthhhh
01:47:06 <HackEgo> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
01:47:07 <HackEgo> hthhhhhhhhh
01:47:26 <oerjan> shachaf: long time temptation hth
01:47:48 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom
01:47:50 <HackEgo> wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/sssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ wis
01:47:55 <shachaf> `? haskell
01:47:57 <HackEgo> Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell'
01:48:08 <shachaf> oerjan: might be a good idea to rule out spaces hth
01:48:20 <shachaf> in fact maybe make it \w
01:48:43 <shachaf> `? hand injuries
01:48:45 <HackEgo> Hand injuries are surprisingly common among webcomic writers, see eg. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2314 or http://wwwww.giantitp.com/comics/oots0864.html
01:48:52 <shachaf> `? superexponential growth
01:48:55 <HackEgo> Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!
01:49:04 <shachaf> `? hthmonoid
01:49:05 <HackEgo> hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids hthmonoids ...
01:49:15 * shachaf leaves for a bit
01:49:57 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
01:50:01 <HackEgo> bin/rnooodl
01:50:02 <oerjan> is that it?
01:50:30 <oerjan> `` rgrep -lP '(.)\1\1' wisdom
01:50:32 <HackEgo> wisdom/haskell \ wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/superexponential growth \ wisdom/nooooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hthmonoid \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/\oren\ \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/submarine \ wisdom/zkstr \ w
01:52:21 <oerjan> . o O ( _maybe_ exclude w )
01:53:31 <oerjan> `welcome
01:53:33 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:53:34 <oerjan> oh wait
01:53:41 <oerjan> `` welcome
01:53:42 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
01:53:49 <oerjan> ah no www
01:59:15 <tswett> So here's another neural net message...
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02:04:57 <oerjan> tswett: that's lousy, it doesn't even add an acronym tdnh
02:05:49 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Emmental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47081&oldid=47079 * * (+88) /* Cat program */
02:11:24 <oerjan> @tell int-e <int-e> oh wow, programs compiled with ghc-8.0.1 have a virtual memory size of 1 TB on startup (x86_64 linux)... even when most of that memory is unused, that seems overly generous. <-- iirc the point is to _never_ allocate more than once so that there is no need to consider address fragmentation.
02:11:24 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:13:51 <tswett> 1 terabyte seems pretty small for that purpose.
02:14:02 <tswett> Like, what if I want to memory-map both of my 3 terabyte hard drives?
02:14:45 <oerjan> um those would be separate.
02:15:08 <oerjan> i mean that the normal ghc heap is one, singly allocated address block.
02:16:35 <tswett> Oh yeah... so this 1 TB thing is talknig about the heap only, not any memory-mapped stuff?
02:17:07 <oerjan> well i don't think ghc does any other automatically, but i guess any ffi may do that.
02:18:43 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '(\w)\1\1' wisdom
02:18:46 <HackEgo> wisdom/hand injuries \ wisdom/noooooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/spam \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ievan \ wisdom/glass \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/homestuck \ wisdom/wwwwwww \ wisdom/zkstr \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/oren's font \ wisdom/ioccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychw
02:18:59 <shachaf> `? ioccc
02:19:00 <HackEgo> ioccc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:19:03 <shachaf> `? ioccclist
02:19:05 <HackEgo> iocccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://wwwwww.iocccccc.org/#news
02:19:21 <shachaf> `` rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
02:19:23 <HackEgo> wisdom/noooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssssssssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccccccccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwlllllllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/noooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom_______
02:19:54 <shachaf> oerjan: i'm tempted to make it work on _ but maybe there's enough phantom______confusion
02:20:00 <shachaf> `? ievan
02:20:01 <HackEgo> ievan is basically http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4om1rQKPijI
02:20:08 <shachaf> `culprits wisdom/ievan
02:20:17 <HackEgo> Bike FreeFull oerjan FreeFull shachaf shachaf nitia
02:22:15 <oerjan> @tell int-e here's the relevant trac https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9706
02:22:15 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
02:22:20 <tswett> 07:45:28: <oerjat> mas. moweogtonpem sec. not nione has joined #ksot
02:25:20 <oerjan> ievan is that old?
02:26:19 <shachaf> `` hg log wisdom/ievan | grep summary: | tac
02:26:25 <HackEgo> No output.
02:27:10 <shachaf> The first time I heard that polkka was in 2014, it looks like.
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02:32:36 <oerjan> well i got it linked from here
02:33:47 <oerjan> (and i meant the wisdom, in case anyone is confused)
02:34:48 <shachaf> `? yeeesh
02:34:49 <HackEgo> See yeesh.
02:34:52 <shachaf> `? yeesh
02:34:53 <HackEgo> yeesh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:35:07 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
02:35:08 <HackEgo> wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
02:35:24 <oerjan> `cat bin/rnooodl
02:35:25 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/(\w)\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
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02:35:51 <shachaf> `? vim
02:35:52 <HackEgo> vim equals to approximately ccxxxxxxviin.
02:35:57 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\w])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
02:35:59 <HackEgo> bin/rnooodl
02:36:12 <shachaf> `? phantom___hoover
02:36:14 <HackEgo> Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself.
02:36:55 <oerjan> wait did you change to \W all of a sudden
02:37:15 <oerjan> `mkx bin/rnooodl//perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
02:37:19 <HackEgo> bin/rnooodl
02:37:22 <shachaf> \w means word characters, \W means the complement
02:37:22 * oerjan doesn't really know what he's doing
02:37:27 <oerjan> ah
02:37:28 <shachaf> and ^ means the complement
02:37:52 <shachaf> I sure wish regexps had intersections and complements.
02:38:12 <oerjan> `? noodles
02:38:14 <HackEgo> Nooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
02:38:24 <oerjan> `? noodles
02:38:26 <HackEgo> Noooodles are the invention of the Chinese. They were brought to Europe by Marco Polo, a distant ancestor of Taneb.
02:38:38 <shachaf> `? code
02:38:41 <HackEgo> ​[11,11,11,15,15,23,12],[5,5,5,3,53,45,16,26,00,20,15,16,22,25,45,91,32,11,15,27,06,01,11,01,47,22,30,13,43,21,11,13,29,61,65,17,19,12,28,17,11,01,23,20,16,20,81,18,32,25,58,22.,1985,10.301350435,15555555554669736900946809800000000956080767,1372094670449491379188594026666666665466978579582015128512190078...
02:38:54 <oerjan> looks legit.
02:39:03 <shachaf> `? pumping lemma
02:39:04 <HackEgo> pumping lemma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:40:05 <oerjan> `? ioccc
02:40:07 <HackEgo> ioccc? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:40:13 <oerjan> `? ioccclist
02:40:15 <shachaf> `le/rn pumping lemma/nooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
02:40:15 <HackEgo> ioccccclist is update notification for when a new year of the International Obfuscated Contest is announced, or the winners for a year is announced, or the source codes of winners are released. http://www.ioccccc.org/#news
02:40:17 <HackEgo> Learned «pumping lemma»
02:40:31 <shachaf> lynn: do you approve twh
02:40:33 <oerjan> MAYBE not so helpful in that case.
02:40:57 <shachaf> `culprits wisdom/ioccclist
02:41:04 <HackEgo> b_jonas
02:41:06 <shachaf> `? CCCP
02:41:07 <HackEgo> CCCP? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:41:12 <shachaf> `? СССР
02:41:12 <HackEgo> ​СССР? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:41:14 <lynn> Help
02:41:26 <oerjan> `? soviet russia
02:41:28 <HackEgo> ​¯\(°​_o)/¯ soviet russia?
02:41:35 <oerjan> `? soviet union
02:41:37 <HackEgo> In ancient history, the Soviet Union used to be the THEM. They believed in absurd principles like "Better Red than Dead". Then Ronald Reagan invented Star Wars to destroy it, after which there seemed to be no the THEM for a while.
02:41:47 <shachaf>
02:41:53 <shachaf> `? ☭
02:41:54 <HackEgo> ​☭? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:42:03 <shachaf> I like how you can write that with <Compose> C C C P
02:42:20 <shachaf> Although not with <Compose> С С С Р
02:43:09 <shachaf> lynn: aren't you an expert in regular languages
02:43:23 <shachaf> lynn: and pooch-down automata and all sorts of things
02:44:49 <oerjan> . o O ( what style is pooch-down automata described in )
02:47:10 <oerjan> . o O ( yay, a channel killing pun )
02:49:22 <shachaf> `? punning lemma
02:49:23 <HackEgo> punning lemma? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
02:51:53 <shachaf> lynn: should i take that as approval hth
02:51:59 <shachaf> `? pumping lemma
02:52:02 <HackEgo> nooooooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
02:52:16 <lynn> (I approve!)
02:53:15 <shachaf> https://bosker.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/i-hate-the-pumping-lemma/ claims that the pumping lemma for regular languages is scow
02:53:28 <shachaf> But what about the pumping lemma for context-free languages?
02:55:03 <lynn> "PS. I don’t have anything against the pumping lemma for context-free languages." Good PS.
02:55:28 <shachaf> I saw the PS.
02:55:48 <shachaf> But if you dislike the pumping lemma for regular languages because it's confusing, you must dislike the one for context-free languages even more.
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03:10:55 <lynn> Maybe it's that there's no good alternative in the context-free case
03:11:30 <lynn> Like, PLCFL is the right tool for the job, whereas PLRL is a sort of wonky over-complicated one that isn't even the best at what it does?
03:11:40 <lynn> That's what I'm getting from this blog post
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03:16:49 <zzo38> On my computer, "ddate" is not found in any package.
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03:21:39 <zzo38> In Soviet Russia, CCCP compose YOU!!!
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04:24:43 <zzo38> Can you recognize what typesetting system uses input like this? @Style[LeftMargin 10 chars, RightMargin 10 chars, Spacing 1 line, Justification no, TabWidth 8 chars] It also uses @. for a period that does not end a sentence, and it looks like the parameter of a command can use [] or () or ""
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04:53:17 <Moon_> Hi
04:53:33 <Moon_> H
04:56:09 <oerjan>
04:56:21 <shachaf> zzo38: Is it a .mss file?
04:59:41 <Moon_> Can someone type the char used to give hackego commands? Apple devices lack it on the keyboard
04:59:56 <shachaf> ´?
05:00:03 <shachaf> Or ¸?
05:00:41 <zzo38> Moon_: No it is `
05:00:46 <zzo38> shachaf: I don't know what extension it had originally.
05:01:11 <shachaf> Does it look like <http://www.mit.edu/~kerberos/krb5-1.4/krb5-1.4.1/doc/old-V4-docs/installation.mss>?
05:01:41 <zzo38> Yes, it is like that one.
05:01:57 <Moon_> im using a tablet, so i dont have it
05:02:58 <zzo38> shachaf: Do you know what program would typeset such files?
05:04:19 <Moon_> Figured out what to do
05:04:29 <Moon_> `?
05:04:43 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:14:12 <zzo38> The program in ifMUD for Discordian calendar is: @print("Today is ",@let(1,@add(@switch(@time("mon"),0,-1,1,30,2,58,3,89,4,119,5,150,6,180,7,211,8,242,9,272,10,303,11,333),@time("mday")),@switch(@print(@time("mon"),"/",@time("mday")),"1/29","St. Tib's Day", @print(@switch(@mod("%1",5),0,"Sweetmorn",1,"Boomtime",2,"Pungenday",3,"Prickle-Prickle",4,"Setting Orange"),", ",@switch(@idiv("%1",73),0,"Chaos",1,"Discord",2,"Confusion",3,"Bureaucracy",4
05:18:36 <Moon_> I wonder, would a bash script that generates a number sequence based on input be useful?
05:22:11 <zzo38> I don't know; many kind of programs probably can be written with shell-scripts. (I wrote a gopher client with shell-scripts, and there are also shell archives, and other stuff)
05:22:12 <oerjan> @oeis 1,2,5,7
05:22:18 <lambdabot> Generalized pentagonal numbers: n*(3*n-1)/2, n=0, +- 1, +- 2, +- 3,....[0,1,...
05:22:40 <oerjan> @oeis 1,2,3,4
05:22:55 <lambdabot> Plugin `oeis' failed with: <<timeout>>
05:22:58 <oerjan> uh
05:23:05 <oerjan> WHATEV
05:24:10 <\oren\> @oeis 1,11,21,1211
05:24:12 <lambdabot> Look and Say sequence: describe the previous term! (method A - initial term ...
05:24:59 <tswett> Quote from the neural net:
05:24:59 <tswett> 21:16:54: <mromangaboy> is Corriuting praning that thomgar,! pomkifen pomrye that Cw2ope ywucs:
05:25:12 <tswett> Is "mromangaboy" an actual attested nick, or did the neural net just make that up?
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05:25:41 <Moon__> Crashed
05:26:16 <\oren\> what did?
05:26:49 <tswett> Lemme calculate the number of parameters this net has.
05:26:52 <oerjan> Moon__: don't irc and drive hth
05:27:03 <tswett> 7 hidden layers, size 50.
05:27:06 <Moon__> `mkx sequ//echo {"$1".."$2"} | sed "s/,//g"
05:27:11 <HackEgo> sequ
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05:27:14 <oerjan> tswett: mromangaboy is a pretty obvious portmanteau
05:27:24 <Moon__> My irc crashed oerjan, heh
05:27:45 <oerjan> Moon__: you forgot the bin/
05:28:00 <oerjan> hm...
05:28:05 <Moon__> `` ./sequ 1 10
05:28:08 <HackEgo> ​{1..10}
05:28:08 <oerjan> `which seq
05:28:10 <HackEgo> ​/usr/bin/seq
05:28:14 <tswett> Input layer is size 256 (no parameters). First hidden layer is size 50 ((256+1)*50 parameters). Remaining 6 hidden layers are also size 50 (6*(50+1)*50 parameters). Output layer is size 256 ((50+1)*256 parameters).
05:28:14 <oerjan> `seq 1 10
05:28:15 <HackEgo> seq: invalid floating point argument: 1 10 \ Try `seq --help' for more information.
05:28:20 <Moon__> ...
05:28:26 <oerjan> `` seq 1 10
05:28:27 <Moon__> Seq is unrecommended
05:28:28 <HackEgo> 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ 10
05:28:35 <tswett> > (256+1)*50 + 6*(50+1)*50 + (50+1)*256
05:28:37 <Moon__> These days at least
05:28:37 <oerjan> Moon__: huh?
05:28:39 <lambdabot> 41206
05:28:47 <Moon__> People dont use it anymore
05:29:01 <Moon__> `rm sequ
05:29:04 <HackEgo> No output.
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05:31:48 <Moon___> What is it with safari and crashing when i type really fast
05:31:53 <oerjan> `` echo Moon___
05:31:56 <HackEgo> Moon____
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05:36:25 <\oren\> Moon___: don' use safari
05:36:30 <\oren\> ever
05:36:55 <\oren\> it is a terrible browser
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05:46:11 * oerjan finally catches up to april 1 in haskell
05:46:37 <oerjan> and promptly fell for snoyberg's Either post.
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06:22:30 <zzo38> Is there the document describing how the VAX microcode is working?
06:30:40 <zzo38> I found some documents
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06:51:09 <myname> oerjan: what post
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07:08:53 <oerjan> myname: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2016/04/fixing-monad-either
07:11:25 <myname> love the date
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07:23:23 <Moon_> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_bash_online.php Is my new favorite utility
07:27:11 <Moon_> `cat bin/mk
07:27:20 <HackEgo> ​[[ "$1" == ?*//* ]] || { echo usage: "mk[x]" file//contents >&2; exit 1; }; key="${1%%//*}"; value="${1#*//}"; echo "$value" > "$(echo-p "$key")" && echo "$key"
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07:41:07 <myname> i prefer my bash as an actual shell
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07:49:30 * hppavilion[1] smashes a shell against myname's face
07:50:35 <myname> i said bash, not smash
08:07:36 <FreeFull> I use fish
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08:51:58 <myname> i use zsh with all the fish features and more
09:03:22 <shachaf> zzo38: It looks like a command called "scribe".
09:04:39 <shachaf> zzo38: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scribe_(markup_language)
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13:14:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Drainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47082&oldid=25380 * LegionMammal978 * (+26) /* External resources */
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13:37:31 <izabera> http://i.imgur.com/heEk8ez.jpg do you english speaking people know what this means without looking it up?
13:38:43 <gamemanj> one unrecognized word "halcyon"... but it's probably something positive, so "halcyon days" would be something like "have good future days"/something like that
13:39:50 <izabera> it's referring to past happy days
13:40:02 <gamemanj> performing further inference... anime... iqdb searching... FAIL... Google Image Search... Bleach.
13:40:05 <izabera> according to the interwebz
13:40:08 <izabera> yeah
13:40:16 <izabera> but that counts as looking it up
13:40:36 <gamemanj> True, but you already told me what it was, so...
13:41:04 <gamemanj> (Oh, and it's not actually telling me what the text says. *sigh*)
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14:00:38 <Phantom__Hoover> izabera, yes
14:00:51 <izabera> do explain
14:02:04 <Phantom__Hoover> you just said it refers to past happy days, that's what i would think it means
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14:03:33 <Phantom__Hoover> oh also it's a class of cruiser in halo
14:03:43 <Phantom__Hoover> so maybe that's what your note is referring to
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14:03:49 <izabera> no -_-
14:03:50 <b_jonas> `random-card
14:03:52 <izabera> definitely not
14:04:01 <b_jonas> also, hello, all
14:04:16 <HackEgo> Sivitri Scarzam \ 5UB \ Legendary Creature -- Human \ 6/4 \ LE-U, CH-U, ME3-C
14:04:23 <Phantom_Hoover> idk, it could be another ARG
14:06:15 <b_jonas> hehe, even John Baez reports about the small Turing machines stuff in his blog: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/
14:06:30 <b_jonas> um, http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/diary/may_2016.html
14:07:21 <b_jonas> bt the way he reports it strenghtens my belief that I'm correct to put John Baez in the mental file of a physicist
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14:18:14 <izabera> https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428
14:22:04 <\oren\> has anyone constructed a turing machine with a reel-to-reel magnetic tape?
14:23:27 <Taneb> \oren\, I was going to last summer but a) I'm terrible, and b) I have no idea where to buy that sort of tape
14:24:14 <gamemanj> eh, just cannibalize a consumer-grade tape recorder
14:24:31 <gamemanj> it's technically still reel-to-reel, the reels are just packed into portable cartridges.
14:24:49 <gamemanj> an Arduino could run the thing
14:27:36 <Taneb> gamemanj, that solves the second problem!
14:29:23 <gamemanj> depending on how far you want to go, you could just connect an Arduino to two tapes - one for the program, another for the data...
14:29:34 <gamemanj> or you could go further with logic chips
14:29:56 <gamemanj> ZX-Spectrum style tape data storage is probably easy enough to implement
14:31:16 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MonkeyCode]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=47083&oldid=35328 * LegionMammal978 * (+20) /* External resources */
14:31:40 <b_jonas> um, the “tape” is just a metaphor. it needn't be actual magnetic tape.
14:31:52 <Taneb> b_jonas, no-one said it had to be
14:31:55 <gamemanj> but it's not fun that way
14:31:59 <b_jonas> it could be a sequence of large capacity hard disks
14:32:07 <gamemanj> but it's not fun that way...
14:32:11 <gamemanj> :)
14:32:47 <gamemanj> and anyway, it's probably cheaper to get ahold of music cassette tape than it is large-capacity hard disks
14:35:54 <Phantom_Hoover> would you not have problems with the fact that magnetic tape might not work exactly like TM tape?
14:37:37 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean the tape has to be moving across the head to get a read, i think
14:38:01 <gamemanj> there would be problems keeping the symbols in sync, but if you can go backwards and forwards, then it's just a matter of making sure to have sync pulses. Like, two pulses nearby for "one", but one for "zero". Then it's just a matter of "formatting" the tape to put in the initial sync pulses.
14:40:34 <gamemanj> As long as it doesn't miss any pulses, it should work fine - forwards or backwards.
14:41:42 <gamemanj> After reading a pulse, the head should be parked at half of the distance between pulses, and a flag should exist to determine if it's left of the current symbol, or right.
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15:53:56 <boily> `wisdom
15:54:14 <HackEgo> termite//Termites are genericized ants for intellectual property reasons.
15:54:27 <boily> double slash now?
16:04:48 <coppro> `wisdom
16:04:55 <HackEgo> mosquito//Mosquitos are tiny vampires, sucking out your soul.
16:11:50 <b_jonas> `? no
16:11:55 <HackEgo> No means hi.
16:15:02 <gamemanj> `? yes
16:15:06 <HackEgo> yes? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:15:15 <gamemanj> so HackEgo knows "no" but not "yes"
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16:17:55 <b_jonas> `8-ball Do you know yes?
16:17:56 <HackEgo> Concentrate and ask again.
16:19:21 <gamemanj> in other news, I found more messages in that weird language from yesterday-or-so:
16:19:22 <gamemanj> goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome,
16:19:22 <gamemanj> Thise hablookgcsToriir-dome, by:- shale,
16:19:22 <gamemanj> KI unrurwfling chillst', hy kinl'gror; fiEThgrivo? apcitjeons I rue,
16:20:07 <gamemanj> and it makes just as much sense, too...
16:21:04 <gamemanj> @tell tswett goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome,
16:21:04 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:21:53 <gamemanj> @tell tswett temperature 2. Two can play that game!
16:21:53 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
16:27:30 <myname> wat
16:28:57 <boily> `? wat
16:28:59 <HackEgo> ​ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው።
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16:57:13 <Phantom_Hoover> `unidecode ሰ
16:57:15 <HackEgo> ​[U+1230 ETHIOPIC SYLLABLE SA]
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17:25:11 <lifthrasiir> ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿኈ ቼ ዽ ጿ
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17:51:00 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... what's the Planck constant for fame? Or Beauty? Or Coolness?
17:51:32 <zzo38> I doubt it has?
17:51:56 <hppavilion[1]> I suppose that since a Warhol is the traditional unit of fame, and lasts for 15 minutes, the Planck Fame is probably 1 Planck Time of fame
17:52:15 <zzo38> O, OK
17:53:08 <hppavilion[1]> So the Planck Fame is, of course, the minimum amount of fame required to wind up on TMZ
17:53:45 <hppavilion[1]> OK, who the hell made a kitten out of neutronium?
17:53:49 <hppavilion[1]> Also, how the hell did you do that?
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17:55:44 <hppavilion[1]> Don't make me call TPETA
17:55:53 <gamemanj> ...I'm not going to ask what TPETA is
17:55:57 <gamemanj> I'm just going to guess
17:56:05 <gamemanj> and I'm going to be scared of what I guess
17:56:06 <hppavilion[1]> *TPETAFP
17:56:16 <hppavilion[1]> (Theoretical Physicists for the Ethical Treatment of Assemblies of Fundamental Particles)
17:56:43 <gamemanj> nooooooo
17:57:25 <gamemanj> wait... do they consider eating food unethical, then?
17:57:53 <gamemanj> technically food == assemblies of fundamental particles... Ok, I think I can successfully get people to ignore them
17:57:54 <zzo38> The link for the Perl implementation of muxcomp seem broke, although it will be possible to write new implementations based on the description there, including hardware implementation.
17:58:18 <gamemanj> "muxcomp"...?
17:58:35 <zzo38> It is on esolang wiki
17:58:47 <gamemanj> Is this your plan for the main CPU?
17:59:14 <zzo38> For part of the microcode for main CPU, possibly.
17:59:19 <gamemanj> I think it might be easier to just use the video processor design ^.^;
17:59:30 <gamemanj> as in, just one processor design, but multiple of them
18:00:15 <zzo38> That is another idea
18:00:35 <gamemanj> I think it keeps things simple...
18:00:56 <gamemanj> Plus, simple processor means you need less FPGA resources in theory
18:01:16 <zzo38> Yes I can understand that.
18:01:37 <zzo38> However I think what is design for video processor would be insufficient for the main processor
18:01:55 <gamemanj> Hmm, could be.
18:02:30 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... do imperial units include less conventional measurements? e.g. an equivalent of Pascals?
18:02:44 <tswett> Hi everyone.
18:02:50 <tswett> Well, there's pounds per square inch.
18:03:59 <tswett> @sossages-loud
18:03:59 <lambdabot> gamemanj said 1h 42m 55s ago: goVO'ploth;,olmflake-mome,
18:03:59 <lambdabot> gamemanj said 1h 42m 5s ago: temperature 2. Two can play that game!
18:04:35 <tswett> So, let's see if my neural net has plateaued.
18:04:41 <tswett> "Plateaued", what a nice word.
18:05:59 <tswett> It's like that word for a thing that is similar to a queue, but isn't a queue.
18:06:01 <tswett> You know. A queueoid.
18:07:49 <zzo38> My design of thinking is that although esolangs page for muxcomp says memory locations, my design uses registers, and the muxcomp operations only exist in microcode so the instruction size does not have to match the memory size. Other parts of the same microcode VLIW instruction would include the external memory I/O part, branch targets based on condition, autoincrement, and addition/subtraction arithmetic including carry.
18:08:16 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Are there any words with more than 4 consecutive vowels?
18:08:30 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: well, there's "queueing".
18:08:37 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Ah, yess
18:08:39 <hppavilion[1]> *yes
18:08:40 <tswett> As for a word *ending* with more than 4 consecutive vowels, I'm not aware of any.
18:08:43 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Any more than that?
18:08:48 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: It need not end
18:08:59 <zzo38> Some registers can be special registers, too.
18:09:19 <hppavilion[1]> (I need this to exploit https://xkcd.com/853/)
18:09:33 <gamemanj> ...
18:09:43 <tswett> Lemme do a little search, here.
18:09:57 <gamemanj> don't mind me just also running a search through /usr/share/dict/*
18:10:53 <gamemanj> grep -i "[aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou][aeiou]" /usr/share/dict/*
18:11:03 <gamemanj> ...why do I have a french dictionary
18:11:18 <tswett> You mean grep -E '[aeiou]{3}' /usr/share/dict/*?
18:11:33 <gamemanj> ...whichever works for you.
18:11:42 <gamemanj> Also keep in mind the -i
18:11:54 <tswett> So where was I.
18:12:08 <tswett> Mine doesn't have any words with 5 or more.
18:12:23 <gamemanj> "queueing" seems to be the one with the longest run
18:12:46 <tswett> But it has a few words ending with four vowels.
18:13:07 <gamemanj> If you're Italian, you're in luck!
18:13:14 <gamemanj> "cuoiaio"
18:13:18 <tswett> Onomatopoeia, pharmacopoeia, queue, sequoia.
18:13:43 <tswett> Hey, that's my name.
18:13:50 <tswett> /nick cuoiaio
18:14:09 <gamemanj> In which case, I have some good news for you
18:14:36 <gamemanj> it's in the italian dictionary. now to see what it means...
18:14:46 <zzo38> Someone suggest to me that the MIDI variant used in my computer design could be called IMIDI instead of MIDI.
18:14:54 <gamemanj> ...
18:14:58 <gamemanj> it's... just...
18:15:05 <gamemanj> It's Italian for "Tanner"
18:15:23 <gamemanj> (this is extra-funny if you /whois'd tswett)
18:15:49 <tswett> [Whois] tswett is tswett!~tswett@ (Tanner Swett)
18:16:17 <zzo38> The protocol is MIDI although the physical connection and electrical specification and so on may differ, and the communication is two ways in one cable.
18:16:25 <gamemanj> ------
18:16:54 <zzo38> (Also this new one isn't generally used for music, although it can be)
18:18:55 <zzo38> I am not sure what IMIDI even stands for, but may someone can make up what the letters abbreviate.
18:22:24 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... Are people on IRC who are /only/ on #esoteric infidels?
18:24:14 <zzo38> What do you mean by "infidel"?
18:25:46 <fizzie> @wn infidel
18:25:47 <lambdabot> *** "infidel" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
18:25:47 <lambdabot> infidel
18:25:47 <lambdabot> n 1: a person who does not acknowledge your god [syn: {heathen},
18:25:47 <lambdabot> {pagan}, {gentile}, {infidel}]
18:26:02 <fizzie> I assume that depends on your god.
18:26:49 <fizzie> For example, if you're the only person who knows of them, everyone else is almost by definition one, including people on IRC only on #esoteric, assuming you're not one of them.
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18:29:12 <zzo38> It still does not explain much, it seem. What are your religious views anyways? Perhaps it can answer the question.
18:29:56 <zzo38> Are you the only person who knows of them? Prove it!
18:30:17 <Moon_> hi
18:30:30 <Moon_> once the logs are long enough, ima feed em through a program for fun
18:30:41 <zzo38> OK, what program is that?
18:30:51 <Moon_> Travestificator
18:30:54 <Moon_> V1.0
18:32:10 <Moon_> This little bit of feed here is not enough for eligible messages
18:33:08 <Moon_> this is what i gave for that: http://pastebin.com/8penHaqt
18:33:55 <hppavilion[1]> ...huh
18:34:16 <hppavilion[1]> "censor", in ancient rome, described "The guy who maintains the census"
18:34:22 <hppavilion[1]> He was also in charge of Public Morality
18:34:33 <Moon_> yea, the program is intresting
18:34:45 <hppavilion[1]> Which is where the modern meaning of c***** comes from
18:35:02 <Moon_> if i find something stupidly funny, i might show you all if you wish
18:35:26 <Moon_> Travestion[1]> ...huh
18:35:37 <Moon_> already at it
18:36:17 <fizzie> How long would "long enough" be?
18:36:39 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: My religious views are from the Church of the Walrus GOd
18:36:42 <Moon_> not too long
18:36:46 <hppavilion[1]> My political party is the Grand Walrus Party
18:36:50 <Moon_> maybe a hour of logs during a bit busy times
18:36:52 <hppavilion[1]> Not really sure what the GWP stands for
18:37:00 <fizzie> There's a lot more than that available already.
18:37:04 <hppavilion[1]> I guess we stand for the conservation of angular momentum?
18:37:10 <Moon_> lol true
18:37:14 <tswett> I think it stands for the Grand Walrus Party.
18:37:16 * tswett coughs.
18:37:19 <Moon_> ill take from the tunes logs
18:37:37 * hppavilion[1] banishes tswett to the wastelands
18:37:51 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Enjoy your trip to the Dakotas
18:37:55 <b_jonas> wastelands?
18:38:04 <zzo38> hppavilion[1]: OK, and are you infidel?
18:38:32 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Not sure, we haven't established what constitutes an infidel on #esoteric. That's what I was asking earlier.
18:38:35 <b_jonas> is it going to be reprinted in this near future reprint set, whatever it's called?
18:38:40 <b_jonas> eternal masters or something
18:39:00 <tswett> Oh, that's easy. An infidel is someone who does not worship fungot.
18:39:00 <fungot> tswett: they say that building a dungeon is a highly intelligent and completely evil creature. unlike the older race of the forest-day about him when he attacked cyrus in 549, after many minutes of climbing up the food into his house. one was his skilled handling of the numerous and colorfully mutilated divinities of that time, i will see in heaven is just a snake, to have an open ear, a lion-headed goddess.
18:39:07 <hppavilion[1]> I was asking whether someone who /only/ uses #esoteric on IRC is an infidel because they aren't using enough of IRC
18:39:12 <Moon_> '' peoplementated. ''
18:39:24 <zzo38> I wouldn't expect that makes you infidel?
18:39:28 <tswett> ^style
18:39:29 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
18:39:32 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Well of course /you/ would
18:39:38 <b_jonas> yes it is
18:39:44 <hppavilion[1]> ss?
18:39:46 <hppavilion[1]> ^style ss
18:39:46 <fungot> Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings)
18:39:52 <hppavilion[1]> Oh
18:39:53 <Moon_> oh, b_jonas, can you turn on termbot?
18:40:05 <b_jonas> Wastelands and Sinkhole too
18:40:10 <b_jonas> Moon_: let me see
18:40:13 <hppavilion[1]> I was hoping it would be something like the translations of the documents governing the Nazi secret police
18:40:33 <hppavilion[1]> ^style ct
18:40:33 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
18:40:37 <hppavilion[1]> ^style wp
18:40:37 <fungot> Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages)
18:40:50 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, that works
18:41:05 <b_jonas> moon_: turned on
18:41:24 <Moon_> ok, thx, hes not in the #termbot channel yet
18:41:33 <hppavilion[1]> fungot: What is your opinion on the capitalization of "Into" in "StAr tReK: iNtO DaRkNeSs"?
18:41:33 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: the merger was a good idea to keep this article written as if thet name change were accomplished fact; yes, us curriculum materials have been printed to that effect.
18:42:10 <hppavilion[1]> I assume "us" is "United States", not "this group of people that I am in"
18:42:11 <tswett> They really should have compromised on "Star Trek Into Darkness".
18:42:28 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: How so?
18:42:46 <tswett> Well, one side wanted "Star Trek into Darkness" and the other side wanted "Star Trek: Into Darkness".
18:42:52 <b_jonas> Moon_: strange, according to my irc connection, it is and you aren't
18:42:53 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Ah, yes
18:43:09 <Moon_> oh i made a typ in the name
18:43:18 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: Was that a pun?
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18:43:23 * hppavilion[1] eyes Moon_ suspiciously
18:43:30 <Moon_> no
18:43:56 <tswett> Now, lemme see. I think a neural net with 50,000 parameters just can't do a very good job of learning English vocabulary.
18:44:27 <Moon_> here, almost 100 kb of travestificator madness: http://pastebin.com/igX83siC
18:44:41 <gamemanj> ... Ok, look, here's how you spell it: サAタ trek: トニ darkness. There. No capitalization, and all the potential problematic words have been messed with (and badly by someone who doesn't know what they're doing - i.e. me -, too)
18:45:00 <gamemanj> (That unicode chart's been really useful recently...)
18:45:04 <hppavilion[1]> "Occasionally the metre per hour is used for slow-moving objects like snails." --wikipedia
18:45:10 <tswett> `unidecode サAタ
18:45:20 <gamemanj> huh, I left an "a" in
18:45:25 <tswett> `unidecode トニ
18:45:33 <hppavilion[1]> Why do we do hourly wages? Why not give wages by the fortsecond?
18:45:49 <tswett> Shillings per fortsecond.
18:46:04 <gamemanj> hppavilion[1]: because then it would probably add up to less than an integer value and then they could pay you nothing
18:46:29 <gamemanj> and then they could call it a "rounding error"
18:46:37 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: No, they couldn't
18:46:47 <gamemanj> Well, probably not legally, but still
18:47:02 <gamemanj> nobody likes decimals
18:47:05 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: Also, if you're charged minimum wage by the hour, and an hour is 3,600 seconds, and a fortsecond is 14 seconds...
18:47:27 <hppavilion[1]> That's roughly 257 fortseconds to the hour
18:47:52 <tswett> According to Wikipedia, an adult knows roughly 15,000 words.
18:48:05 <tswett> So how many parameters should I have? Hmm.
18:48:16 <gamemanj> roughly 15,000 I'd?
18:48:32 <tswett> I already have about 40,000, and they're not doing too hot.
18:49:03 <tswett> Lemme try 200,000 parameters.
18:49:05 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: we already have wages or salaries given per hour, day, week, month, and year; and the net and gross version of each of these and in all kinds of monetary units with sometimes the exponent omitted. it can be pretty confusing already when someone just gives their salary as a number like “I earn 140”.
18:49:08 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: There. 3 cents/fortsecond gets you a bit better than minimum wage
18:49:19 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: I'd say it can't get any worse if you add fortseconds, but it probably can.
18:49:39 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Specifically, $7.71/hour, rounded
18:50:06 <gamemanj> "From the desk of a rich person: 'I earn £140 million a fortsecond.'"
18:50:28 <hppavilion[1]> gamemanj: So minimum wage in USD?
18:50:43 <gamemanj> ...
18:50:47 <gamemanj> A second.
18:50:57 <hppavilion[1]> I'm just throwing out words and hoping it makes a joke
18:51:13 <gamemanj> For one british pound, you can get 1.46 US Dollars, according to Google's converter.
18:51:14 <hppavilion[1]> That's 1000000 pounds/second
18:51:21 <b_jonas> hppavilion[1]: I think 140 million pounds per fortsecond is probably more than the minimum wage in the US
18:51:27 <gamemanj> Thus, presumably the US Dollar is worth less.
18:51:31 <hppavilion[1]> I don't see why England uses pounds as their currency instead of Kilograms
18:51:37 <gamemanj> ...
18:51:44 <hppavilion[1]> <trollface>
18:51:47 <gamemanj> It's because...
18:51:52 <gamemanj> WE HAVE ICH DIEN ON OUR TWO PENCES!
18:51:52 <hppavilion[1]> Unicode really needs to add that
18:51:58 <gamemanj> ...
18:52:15 <gamemanj> no? So apparently you can confuse me but I can't confuse you.
18:52:23 <gamemanj> Anyway, don't mind me, I'm going to get out a 2p coin
18:52:42 <hppavilion[1]> The US also needs a pi dollar bill. But who should be on it?
18:52:51 <gamemanj> but, yeah, you can't get standardized printed on kilograms
18:53:00 <gamemanj> it seems I am omitting words today
18:53:01 <hppavilion[1]> I vote that guy from Numberphile
18:53:48 <hppavilion[1]> WHOA louisianna has no minimum wage
18:54:04 <hppavilion[1]> Nor does Mississippi
18:54:12 <tswett> But there's still a federal minimum wage.
18:54:21 <Moon_> whats a good software for a neura networks?
18:54:29 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: What language?
18:54:44 <Moon_> neural networks, any language :P
18:54:54 <tswett> Moon_: I'm using TensorFlow.
18:54:57 <gamemanj> Moon_: ... to initialize the dataset, you should connect up electrodes to your house cat, then...
18:55:04 <Moon_> lol
18:55:09 <hppavilion[1]> Moon_: I recommend Zuccini if you want the purest neural networks
18:55:12 <Moon_> iu am not hurting my housecat
18:55:20 <tswett> Moon_: I mean, do you want to write code, or do you want something that works out of the box?
18:55:37 <Moon_> works out of the box, i am nt good at complex numbers as of now
18:55:37 <tswett> For something that works out of the box, use Karpathy's char-rnn or its successor torch-rnn.
18:56:33 <gamemanj> Moon_: Hurting a cat would be a very bad thing!
18:56:43 <gamemanj> Moon_: (Then again, who said that they would be hurt in the process?)
18:56:53 <hppavilion[1]> The US states with the highest minimum wage are California and Massachusetts at $10/hour, though New York has rather complicated laws that have different minimum wages based on the region, and there's a plan that changes it for the next 5 years
18:57:11 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, and it's also based on the size of the employer
18:57:54 <tswett> Wouldn't it be funny if minimum wage scaled linearly with the size of the employer?
18:58:05 <hppavilion[1]> American Samoa has it awful; minimum wage varies by industry, but it can be as small as $4.19
18:58:07 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Yes
18:58:19 <tswett> "Each of your employees must be paid at least 0.01% of your company's revenue."
18:58:43 <tswett> Some companies don't have any revenue, so they wouldn't have to pay their employees anything.
18:59:05 <tswett> Of course, this would set a hard limit on the number of employees a company can have.
18:59:17 <tswett> It would be just about impossible to have 10,000 employees.
18:59:19 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: It'd suck for 10,000-employee companies
18:59:23 <tswett> Right.
18:59:39 <tswett> Come to think of it, no, you could have more than 10,000 employees.
18:59:56 <tswett> You'd simply have to pay more in employee compensation than you're earning in revenue.
18:59:58 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Well yeah, but you'd lose monies
19:00:15 <hppavilion[1]> the U.S. virgin islands and Puerto Rico have minimum wage at the same as the federal minimum wage ($7.25); the only U.S. territory with a superfederal minimum wage is Guam at $8.25
19:01:02 <hppavilion[1]> The minimum wage of #esoteric is, of course, $-10/nanocentury
19:01:12 <hppavilion[1]> (is it better written $-n or -$n?)
19:01:15 <zzo38> I think minimum wage should be zero
19:01:26 <hppavilion[1]> (-$n looks better, but also makes no sense)
19:01:27 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Why?
19:01:42 <tswett> Sure -$n makes sense.
19:01:44 <zzo38> You don't need minimum wage.
19:01:51 <tswett> It's the additive inverse of $n.
19:02:08 <gamemanj> £-1.#INF/nanocentury
19:02:35 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: What about for workers who have no sense of money?
19:03:16 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: And if no minimum wage is needed, companies can just collectively offer less money than their labor is worth. Of course, I suppose products will start to be worth less, but that still leads to rapid deflation
19:03:42 * hppavilion[1] is not an economist; he's a good person
19:04:00 <tswett> Are you suggesting that all the companies in the US would collaborate to lower wages?
19:04:14 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Yes, because it'd be better for them overall
19:04:33 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: At least, large employers would
19:04:46 <tswett> Surely there would be a lot of defectors, though. Companies which decide to offer the usual wages instead, because then they'll get more and better employees.
19:05:12 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Perhaps, but it'd still probably make the economy unstable
19:05:38 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, Cuba has a maximum wage set at 20 USD
19:05:40 <hppavilion[1]> PER MONTH
19:06:29 <tswett> Dang, that's below the absolute poverty line.
19:08:10 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: That's, like, below the double poverty line
19:08:25 <tswett> The double poverty line?
19:08:34 <zzo38> I think if an employer does not consider my work as much as minimum wage and therefore want to pay less and if I would want to accept such a job, that it should not be illegal to do so.
19:08:45 <tswett> So, this new neural net isn't good at Shakespeare yet.
19:08:47 <tswett> s ernitmhI d' agpgiTh.. hr�eseidhoce,�rrIrlt;esswyo lp ba lcy,nsl� ee hhhaiigmn to wo lt,ohAhpwrUtnh o lmh iwpIrsOfdI eotihus wh
19:09:00 <Moon_> lol
19:09:06 <Moon_> train it more
19:09:11 <tswett> I'm on it.
19:09:12 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: At which the average person living below the poverty line has it as well as the average person living above the poverty line, relative to the average person below the double poverty line
19:09:15 <b_jonas> tswett: hhhaigmn?
19:09:49 <Moon_> at least it has a vague idea about the word 'to'
19:10:18 <hppavilion[1]> So if the average non-povertous person makes 100 units per planck time, and the average povertous person makes 20 units per planck time, then the average double-povertous person makes 4 units per planck time
19:10:28 <tswett> b_jonas: hth
19:10:43 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: comprende?
19:10:56 <hppavilion[1]> It's basically a valley-of-the-blind scenario
19:11:05 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: so, like, consider the ratio between the living standards of the average person above the line and the average person below the line?
19:11:13 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: Yes
19:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: And the average person above the double anti-poverty line, in the previous scenario, makes 500 units per planck time
19:12:34 <hppavilion[1]> (maybe it should just be called the anti-poverty line, but that makes it less clear)
19:13:39 <hppavilion[1]> tswett: I think you're doing it wrong hth, btw
19:14:57 <int-e> `words
19:14:59 <\oren\> AAAAAAAAA
19:15:15 <\oren\> WHY IS THERE AN FN-LK function?!?!?!?!?
19:15:19 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: QQQQQQQQQ
19:15:25 <HackEgo> casit
19:15:56 <b_jonas> \oren\: for numpad, I think
19:16:09 <b_jonas> \oren\: or maybe for the function keys
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19:16:36 <\oren\> b_jonas: My laptop has a full 100 key keyboeard
19:17:10 <\oren\> the fn key only exists to allow volume up volume down etc
19:17:15 <int-e> \oren\: for people who miss the fn key because they're used to it from other vendors?
19:18:12 <\oren\> Well it has a fn, but why is there an fn lock?
19:23:44 <int-e> for people who want to user thr 789uiojkl numpad?
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19:24:29 <int-e> Of course, now there's no excuse for not also including a discordian date key, and one for making coffee.
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19:25:29 <\oren\> int-e: but my laptop has an actual numpad!!!!
19:25:33 <gamemanj> (TODO: Implement these for real) Actually the "make coffee" key is Fn-F1 (usually play-pause), and the "What was the last #ddate twist by @tasty" key is Fn-F2.
19:25:42 <gamemanj> (usually "rewind")
19:26:05 <\oren\> I have a GOOD laptop
19:26:13 <int-e> \oren\: but who's still using that ;-)
19:26:52 <b_jonas> gamemanj: which button is discordian date, and which button controls the amount of sugar in the coffee?
19:27:19 <int-e> b_jonas: it depends on the phase of the moon.
19:27:22 <gamemanj> b_jonas: @tasty posts a #ddate twist every day, so Fn-F2 works fine, and the amount of sugar is always right.
19:29:46 <gamemanj> don't mind me just playing with zenity and twisterd...
19:31:16 <gamemanj> this seems to be "reliable enough": twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate
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19:39:35 <gamemanj> and cutting out the JSON...
19:39:36 <gamemanj> YOLD_RAW=`twisterd getposts 32 "[{\"username\":\"tasty\"}]" | grep -m 1 ddate`
19:39:36 <gamemanj> YOLD_FIXED=`echo "$YOLD_RAW" | tail -c +22 | head -c -3`
19:41:42 <gamemanj> There. Now I just need to implement a way of controlling a coffee machine...
20:05:22 <fizzie> Remember to follow the standards when doing that.
20:05:36 <fizzie> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt
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20:15:37 <gamemanj> fizzie: Trouble is, the particular coffee machine I have is closer to...
20:15:40 <gamemanj> let me dig up the file...
20:16:36 <gamemanj> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21184720/tossercp.txt
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20:17:40 <gamemanj> (For some reason, my random scribblings have been rather useful today.)
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20:52:03 <hppavilion[1]> I'm @ man
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21:10:03 <zzo38> Yes maybe some functions should be user-defined functions. You probably could reprogram the play/pause key in your operating system though, to execute a program to control a coffee maker and display a Discordian date, if you prefer to do that
21:12:52 <gamemanj> Well, the coffee maker thing isn't practical, but I now have Fn-F1 set to display the latest twist from @tasty containing "#ddate". So there's that.
21:12:53 <shachaf> zzo38: Did you see my message about Scribe?
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21:14:21 <zzo38> Yes. Is there a free implementation of Scribe?
21:15:39 <shachaf> I don't know.
21:15:49 <shachaf> `? member
21:16:28 <HackEgo> I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
21:17:13 <shachaf> `? pumping lemma
21:17:16 <HackEgo> noooooodl's pumping lemma for wisdom entries states that for any sufficiently long valid wisdom entry, there exists a letter that can be repeated any number of times.
21:17:40 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom
21:17:52 <HackEgo> wisdom/nooodle \ wisdom/xkcq \ wisdom/hagb4rd \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ssstosis \ wisdom/www \ wisdom/yeeeeeeeeesh \ wisdom/ioccclist \ wisdom/llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ wisdom/yeeeeeesh \ wisdom/pumping lemma \ wisdom/nooodl \ wisdom/code \ wisdom/phantom___hoover \ wisdom/vim \ wisdom/
21:17:58 <shachaf> `? www
21:18:02 <HackEgo> WWWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:18:07 <shachaf> `? www
21:18:09 <HackEgo> WWWWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:18:10 <shachaf> oops
21:18:22 <shachaf> `cat bin/rnooodl
21:18:23 <HackEgo> perl -pe 's/([^w\W])\1\1/"@{[$1 x(3+rand 7)]}"/ge'
21:18:46 <shachaf> `run sed -i s/w/wW/ bin/rnooodl
21:18:51 <HackEgo> No output.
21:19:22 <shachaf> `? www
21:19:24 <HackEgo> WWW is an abbreviation that takes longer to pronounce properly than what it expands to.
21:19:27 <shachaf> `run rgrep -lP '([^w\W])\1\1' wisdom | sed 's#wisdom/##'
21:19:29 <HackEgo> nooodle \ xkcq \ hagb4rd \ yeeeeeeeesh \ yeeeeeeeeeesh \ ssstosis \ www \ yeeeeeeeeesh \ ioccclist \ llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch \ yeeeeeesh \ pumping lemma \ nooodl \ code \ phantom___hoover \ vim \ shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj \ hat \ yeeeeesh \ welcome.bork \ pho \ yeeeeeeesh \ yeeeesh
21:19:32 <shachaf> `? vim
21:19:34 <HackEgo> vim equals to approximately ccxxxviin.
21:19:44 <shachaf> `? hat
21:19:45 <HackEgo> hatee-hatee-hatee-hooo
21:19:58 <shachaf> `? pho
21:19:59 <HackEgo> Phở is a Vietnamese soup invented by nooodl to stress-test implementations of Unicode combining characters.
21:20:19 <shachaf> `? yeeeeesh
21:20:21 <HackEgo> See yeeeeeeesh.
21:20:24 <shachaf> `? yeeeeeesh
21:20:25 <HackEgo> See yeeeeeeesh.
21:20:36 <shachaf> `? ssstosis
21:20:38 <HackEgo> ssssssssstosis is a disease causing false identities
21:20:57 <shachaf> `? xkcq
21:20:58 <HackEgo> ​"xkcq" is worth 8 more points than "xkcd" in Scrabble, or a whopping 30 more if both are played optimally on a triple word score. Nyahhhhhhhhh.
21:21:04 <shachaf> `? hagb4rd
21:21:06 <HackEgo> hagb4rd is one spacey fellow. Spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace.
21:21:50 <shachaf> `` echo spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
21:21:52 <HackEgo> spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace
21:23:18 <myname> wat
21:23:40 <gamemanj> space!
21:24:39 <shachaf> `` echo aaabbb
21:24:41 <HackEgo> aaaaaaabbbbb
21:24:48 <shachaf> `` echo aaa aaa
21:24:50 <HackEgo> aaaaaaaaa aaa
21:41:48 <boily> Shachaf the Character Witch. Shacharactch.
21:43:19 <shachaf> `` grep -P '(.)\1\1' share/dict-words
21:43:21 <HackEgo> KKK's \ WWW's
21:47:43 <tswett> `echo Whaaaaat?
21:47:45 <HackEgo> Whaaaaat?
21:47:55 <tswett> `echo aaabbb
21:47:56 <HackEgo> aaabbb
21:48:01 <tswett> `` echo Whaaaaat?
21:48:03 <HackEgo> Whaaaaaaat?
21:48:31 <tswett> `` echo Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons
21:48:33 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ /hackenv/bin/`: eval: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file
21:48:45 <tswett> `` echo Fannee Doolee\'s noodle balloons
21:48:46 <HackEgo> Fannee Doolee's noodle balloons
21:49:11 <tswett> `` echo cryptooology
21:49:13 <HackEgo> cryptooology
21:49:18 <b_jonas> `? phthisis
21:49:18 <tswett> `cat bin/echo
21:49:23 <b_jonas> `? silent
21:49:25 <HackEgo> cat: bin/echo: No such file or directory
21:49:27 <HackEgo> phthisis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:49:27 <HackEgo> silent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
21:49:34 <b_jonas> ``` grep silent wisdom/*
21:49:36 <b_jonas> no
21:49:41 <HackEgo> grep: wisdom/le: Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°_o): Is a directory \ grep: wisdom/¯\(°​_o): Is a directory \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:49:42 <tswett> `` echo bbbbb bbbbb bbbbb
21:49:44 <HackEgo> bbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbbbbbbb
21:49:49 <b_jonas> ``` grep -s silent wisdom/*
21:49:51 <HackEgo> Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:49:56 <tswett> `` echo b bb bbb bbbb bbbbb bbbbbb bbbbbbb
21:49:57 <HackEgo> b bb bbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbb
21:50:07 <tswett> `echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:09 <HackEgo> b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:18 <b_jonas> ``` grep -si "[pc]hth" wisdom/*
21:50:20 <HackEgo> wisdom/chthonic:Chthonic lithping can be vethy dithturbing to lithten to. \ Binary file wisdom/reflection matches
21:50:22 <tswett> `` echo b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb bbb
21:50:23 <HackEgo> b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb b bb bbbbbbb bbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbbb bbb bbbbbbbbb bbbbbb
21:50:45 <tswett> `` echo "Fannneee Doooleee's nooodle balllooons"
21:50:46 <HackEgo> Fannnneeee Doooooooleee's nooooodle balllloooons
21:52:11 <shachaf> `culprits wisdom/chthonic
21:52:22 <HackEgo> oerjan
21:52:52 <shachaf> `? #esoteric
21:52:54 <HackEgo> ​#esoteric is the only channel that exists. After monqy left it became slightly off-centër. It's about 30 m (100 ft) across. oerjan seems to be making a lawn in the northern part, but it keeps getting dug up by free ranging moons. May contain crude drawings of nuts. There is a mountain made of shell scripts in the south. exit 0
21:52:58 <b_jonas> `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:53:02 <HackEgo> Learned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome,
21:53:09 <shachaf> `undo 8187
21:53:10 <b_jonas> `? silent
21:53:46 <HackEgo> patching file wisdom/#esoteric
21:53:47 <HackEgo> Silent initial consonants in English are: write, wrong, wrist, wrap, wreck, wrest, wrestle, wriggle, wrinkle, wrath, wraith, wreath, wrangle, wren, wright, wrought, wring, writ, writhe, wry; know, knife, knock, knee, knight, knob, knot, knit, knack, knout, knuckle; psychology, psalm, pseudo, psychic, psionics; gnaw, gnash, gnome, gnu, gnat; pneumat
21:54:11 <b_jonas> hmm
21:55:36 <shachaf> `cat bin/`mv
21:55:38 <HackEgo> echo Try again
21:55:40 <shachaf> `rm bin/`mv
21:55:43 <HackEgo> No output.
21:55:48 <b_jonas> `learn Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:55:50 <HackEgo> Relearned 'silent': Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:55:53 <b_jonas> `? silent
21:55:54 <HackEgo> Silent initial consonants in English are: wr{ite,ong,ist,ap,eck,est,estle,iggle,inkle,ath,aith,eath,angle,en,ight,ought,ing,it,ithe,y}; kn{ow,ife,ock,ee,ight,ob,ot,it,ack,out,uckle}; ps{ychology,alm,eudo,ychic,ionics}; gn{aw,ash,ome,u,at}; pneumatic; mnemonic; chthonic; phthisis; bdellium.
21:55:55 <b_jonas> better
21:56:03 <b_jonas> this way it fits a line
22:08:24 <boily> what's a wren?
22:10:15 <myname> how is wrong considered to be pronounced if something is silent g
22:10:18 <myname> ?
22:10:27 <b_jonas> boily: a sort of bird
22:10:46 <Taneb> ...I pronounce both initial consononants in chthonic
22:10:49 <Taneb> Is that wrong?
22:10:54 <Taneb> Like ch-th-onic
22:11:03 <b_jonas> Taneb: no, it's not wrong
22:11:10 <myname> as a german, the silent p always gets me
22:11:31 <b_jonas> the list includes stuff that some crazy English speakers pronounce without the initial consonants, which I don't really understand and often can't emulate
22:11:31 <myname> there is no such thing as a silent p in germany, even though these words exist
22:12:18 <b_jonas> I do omit the k from the kn* words, even "know" (because I pronounce it with a different vowel from "now"), but the wr* words are horrible, a lot of them are homonyms.
22:12:24 <boily> b_jellonas. tdh.
22:12:29 <Taneb> kn words sound different in my head to n words
22:12:35 <b_jonas> As in, "right, rite, wright, write" are all pronounced the same
22:12:36 <Taneb> But I think I pronounce them the same?
22:12:55 <b_jonas> well, even if "know" is fine, "knight" versus "night" can still be a problem of course
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22:13:12 <b_jonas> But I think the wr* words are worse
22:13:22 <int-e> b_jonas: it's a knightmare
22:13:35 <Taneb> b_jonas, I'm sure you're write
22:13:35 <myname> english is such a horrible language
22:13:39 <Taneb> I agree
22:13:58 <int-e> chinese is supposedly worse
22:14:22 <myname> the korean alphabet looks neat
22:14:52 <zzo38> English is a stupid language
22:14:55 <Taneb> I'm trying to learn Italian
22:15:15 <b_jonas> Taneb: I also hate the word "lead"
22:15:24 <b_jonas> but there's no consonant cluster involved there
22:15:31 <b_jonas> just ugly homonymy
22:15:34 <Taneb> b_jonas, I'll lead you to a lead-lined chamber where you will be safe
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22:15:50 <Taneb> You can live there, as long as you like, there'll even be live music!
22:16:08 <b_jonas> there's like three different words called "lead", plus two words called "led", with two pronounciations mixed up in a crazy way
22:16:34 <int-e> three, really?
22:16:39 <b_jonas> int-e: dunno, maybe more
22:16:55 <int-e> oh there's the lead in a criminal case
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22:17:01 <Taneb> b_jonas, I read once that there are over 60 definitions of "set"
22:17:58 <int-e> so, one verb with corresponding noun and adjective, and the metal.
22:19:51 <Taneb> int-e, there's apparently also a verb corresponding to the known
22:19:53 <Taneb> *noun
22:20:02 <int-e> do you distinguish a set of chess pieces from the mathematical sets?
22:20:20 <Taneb> int-e, possibly
22:20:45 <int-e> at least it's nice to have a set set of meanings
22:20:47 <Taneb> I believe this was the definitions according to OED
22:22:10 <b_jonas> `? deprecate
22:22:13 <HackEgo> deprecate? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
22:23:14 <b_jonas> Then there's these crazy word pairs nobody can distinguish, so they will probably merge in a few decades: depracate - depreciate, continuous - contiguous, homogenous - homogeneous
22:23:48 <int-e> the wiki layout on https://wiki.haskell.org/Lambdabot is so horrible... I keep looking for the page history in the box of tools on the right.
22:25:24 <zzo38> On MediaWiki you can use accesskey "h" for history mainly, I think, so if it is MediaWiki then try that.
22:25:47 <zzo38> (I use custom CSS on MediaWiki sites to hide all of the menus, so the keyboard commands are the only way to access such things anyways)
22:26:39 <b_jonas> s/depracate/deprecate/
22:28:37 <b_jonas> int-e: or you can just type url paths directly, like adding &action=history or going to /wiki/Special:SpecialPages ; that usually works even on the worst skinned mediawikis, like wikia
22:29:04 <int-e> ... not looking for workarounds
22:29:43 <b_jonas> Those pairs are, I think, from different etimologies. Then there's demon - daemon - daimon which is from the same etimology and I never really understood how they're distinguished.
22:30:01 <b_jonas> or maybe only two of those are from the same etimology, the third isn't?
22:31:40 <int-e> (the link is there, after all... just not where I'm looking)
23:13:40 <b_jonas> `? invincible
23:13:52 <HackEgo> invincible? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:20:02 * quintopia zzZzZzzZzZ
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23:29:44 <fizzie> The noun set has 13 senses (first 7 from tagged texts)
23:29:47 <fizzie> The verb set has 25 senses (first 14 from tagged texts)
23:29:49 <fizzie> The adj set has 7 senses (first 4 from tagged texts)
23:30:03 <fizzie> In WordNet. Of course OED goes for a lot more obscure meanings.
23:30:54 <fizzie> (As for lead, 17 senses for the noun and 14 for the verb in WordNet.)
23:32:15 <fizzie> Many related, of course.
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23:33:39 <fizzie> Aw, I just realized I can't use the university library's OED subscription much longer.
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23:52:09 <b_jonas> `? manager
23:52:15 <HackEgo> manager? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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