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00:18:00 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] <hppavilion[2]> It grows normally, and he has to heat vision a reflective surface to zap it off <-- i vaguely recall at some point seeing/reading that he used a reflective piece from the spaceship that brought him to Earth, presumably because Earth materials couldn't take it...
00:18:00 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
00:18:38 <oerjan> @tell hppavilion[1] Don't remember which age superman it was, though.
00:18:38 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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00:25:42 <oerjan> note to self (after checking wiktionary): do _not_ porthello moon in a particular obvious way.
00:26:28 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: ...I can't find that particular way
00:26:37 <oerjan> (helloon is also a bit dubious, come to think of it)
00:26:39 <hppavilion[1]> It's not helloon and it's not melloon
00:26:45 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: hoon hth
00:26:47 <hppavilion[1]> @massages-houd
00:26:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 8m 47s ago: <hppavilion[2]> It grows normally, and he has to heat vision a reflective surface to zap it off <-- i vaguely recall at some point seeing/reading that he used a reflective piece from the spaceship that brought him to Earth, presumably because Earth materials couldn't take it...
00:26:47 <lambdabot> oerjan said 8m 9s ago: Don't remember which age superman it was, though.
00:26:49 <hppavilion[1]> Oh
00:27:36 <oerjan> hippavilion[1] btw, that one's very wholesome.
00:28:13 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Well if we use the dated meaning, then it becomes potentially complimentary
00:28:24 <hppavilion[1]> Probably because english doesn't use square brackets in words
00:28:54 <oerjan> i... don't think so.
00:29:04 <oerjan> pimp is not a compliment hth
00:29:21 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It is in some circles
00:29:32 <hppavilion[1]> Or, at least, it's a positive-connotation verb
00:29:43 <hppavilion[1]> e.g. "Pimp My Ride"
00:30:03 <oerjan> the noun is not hth
00:30:30 <hppavilion[1]> And the origin of "pimp" is "Perhaps from Middle French pimpant ‎(“smart, sparkish”)."
00:30:42 <oerjan> i suppose Etymology 4 is fine.
00:30:53 <hppavilion[1]> "(African American Vernacular slang) A man who can easily attract women."
00:31:13 <hppavilion[1]> I suppose that one is good? Assuming that we don't consider that to be a douchebaggy trait to emphasize?
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00:31:29 <oerjan> i think only African Americans can safely use that slang hth
00:31:56 <hppavilion[1]> True
00:31:58 <hppavilion[1]> But still
00:32:30 <hppavilion[1]> (This is one of the few contexts where "African American" is appropriate- when referring specifically to people of African descent living in the US)
00:32:32 <oerjan> sounds like one of those things which could get you an SJW internet lynching
00:32:41 <hppavilion[1]> Yeah, probably
00:32:56 <hppavilion[1]> Then again, most things can
00:33:03 <hppavilion[1]> src: Dictionarygate
00:33:27 <oerjan> i probably missed that one.
00:33:57 <oerjan> i guess i've missed most of them, by the simple expediment of not reading such fora.
00:34:08 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Some of the example sentences in OED referenced women, and others attributed jobs like "doctor" to men
00:34:10 <oerjan> exception, the aaronson one.
00:34:38 <hppavilion[1]> ("radical" had the example "A radical feminist" and most traditionally-male jobs used masculine pronouns)
00:34:41 <oerjan> well the OED is like ancient
00:35:05 <hppavilion[1]> I mean, their choices in example sentences may not be optimal, but it's not really important enough to get angry about
00:35:48 <oerjan> offensingularity
00:35:50 <hppavilion[1]> It's like if the constitution used "negro" to refer to blacks- it's not exactly what we would prefer, but it'd be too much trouble to change it for too little gain
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00:36:35 <oerjan> "if"? i thought it did so? although in an obsolete part
00:36:41 <oerjan> (the US one)
00:37:04 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: "pimp" is also five in Cumbrian and Welsh sheep counting
00:37:07 <hppavilion[1]> Well, it might
00:37:13 <hppavilion[1]> I didn't check for the purposes of the analogy
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00:37:50 <oerjan> oh it didn't.
00:37:57 <oerjan> it mentions Indians.
00:38:12 <oerjan> well, in the 3/5 paragraph i remembered.
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00:38:25 <oerjan> and there's probably no reason to mention it otherwise.
00:38:52 <hppavilion[1]> Yeah, probablt
00:38:54 <hppavilion[1]> *probably
00:39:05 <hppavilion[1]> Well, maybe in one of the ammendments regarding voting?
00:40:00 <hppavilion[1]> But then again, they wouldn't really have reason to reference any one race in particular
00:41:35 <oerjan> neither the 13th or the 14th does, it seems.
00:42:33 <oerjan> i noticed a mentioned in the 14th article that it had been interpreted to include other races
00:42:37 <oerjan> *mention
00:43:27 <hppavilion[1]> A lot of people were against https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment#Text on the grounds that... it didn't allow women to have special rights for being women (e.g. working conditions or hours)
00:44:28 <oerjan> oh i didn't know the original only had 7 articles
00:44:53 <hppavilion[1]> Does #esoteric have a constitution for some reason? I can see it existing
00:44:58 <hppavilion[1]> Or, well, I can see a hacker constitution
00:45:07 <oerjan> nope
00:46:16 <oerjan> no hits in https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_America
00:47:06 <hppavilion[1]> fungot is, of course, supreme overlord of #esoteric
00:47:07 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: mr president, i read the sterling report of the working classes or financial support to the commission transferring all the unused appropriations from budget line fnord of the treaty, and we had to follow in all the directorates-general, and possibly modifying, the technical negotiations for the community's policy on mainstream and gender issues in development policy, of all the stages in the support of this roun
00:47:17 <hppavilion[1]> And if fne ever manages to say something coherent, it is binding
00:49:17 <oerjan> careful with that. there are some nasty things in the ct style.
00:49:24 <oerjan> ^style ct
00:49:24 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
00:49:48 <oerjan> fungot: who will bring an end to all?
00:49:48 <fungot> oerjan: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez!
00:50:29 <oerjan> fungot: are you saying the sword will stop the world?
00:50:29 <fungot> oerjan: that no one was allowed to use the crane, enter any two of these letters, a b y. like that piano player. everyone's...! ...and the dreamstone! i'd forgotten how beautiful they are the evildoers? magus's lair! you brave! he's probably up north, to guardia!!! let's toast our land! now we'll have some peace! magus is a tad on the spooky side. our only hope.
00:50:42 <\oren\> Elon musk doesn't count as an african american for ... reasons
00:54:11 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Well, he's south african-born, but there are white people in South Africa (see: Apartheid)
00:54:24 <hppavilion[1]> He's Canadian-American, which is probably as white as you can get
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00:55:36 <hppavilion[1]> And he's probably also martian?
00:57:07 <hppavilion[1]> Aliens/Life on mars, but it's just Elon Musk, somehow/Life-related chemicals/Cool extremophiles found on earth/No aliens
00:57:43 <hppavilion[1]> (Theory: Elon Musk used the "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme, then realized he was rich enough to actually do it)
00:58:49 <\oren\> one day I'll retire to the Moon
00:59:13 <\oren\> or at least take a long vacation there
01:02:03 * hppavilion[1] stealthily opens wikipedia/retirement to find potential jokes
01:02:42 <hppavilion[1]> Well, the first one is "It's a shame, he was just a day from being put in a metal box and exploded off the surface of the earth"
01:03:49 <zzo38> The software "Astrolog" does not allow you to center a horoscope on the Moon. Other software may allow it I don't know; something based on Swiss Ephemeris may allow you to then subtract the numbers and convert to polar coordinates and therefore you can make the calculation relative to Moon. Neither of these software can calculate house positions relative to anything other than the Earth though. (If you select heliocentric mode in Astrolog, it stil
01:04:47 <hppavilion[1]> In thailand, you retire at 60 (or 50 if you retire early)
01:05:01 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, the US is terrible
01:05:10 <hppavilion[1]> We have 5% employment at the ages of 70+
01:05:11 <zzo38> But house positions relative to Sun should be possible if you can know where is the zero longitude on the surface of the Sun. Do you know where the zero longitude of Sun is?
01:06:44 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38 seems to be turning into fungot, but more coherent
01:06:44 <fungot> hppavilion[1]: cyrus! are you leaving! thou art and science... all to you!
01:11:45 <hppavilion[1]> Huh... rap music and discrete mathematics are similar in that the phrase "for reals" is frequently used...
01:12:41 <zzo38> I do not have a lot of interest in rap music so I would not know, but OK now we can know!
01:15:34 <shachaf> hppavilion[1]: I believe Norway encourages people to continue working after retirement.
01:15:42 <shachaf> You'll have to ask oerjan to confirm that, though.
01:16:58 <shachaf> i,i http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/158414-america-is-the-wealthiest-nation-on-earth-but-its-people
01:19:15 <shachaf> Going by US tax law, retirement age is 59½ or greater.
01:25:17 <oerjan> `? zzo38
01:25:50 <HackEgo> zzo38 is not actually the next version of fungot, much as it may seem.
01:26:02 <oerjan> shachaf: they're also in the process of removing the upper age limits.
01:26:04 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: ^
01:26:19 <oerjan> the involuntary ones, that is.
01:26:38 <shachaf> What involuntary limtis?
01:26:59 <hppavilion[1]> Norway: The opposite of North Korea
01:27:06 <oerjan> once you reach ... it may be 67? ... your employer can fire you for no reason.
01:27:14 <oerjan> even if you don't wish to retire.
01:27:44 <hppavilion[1]> I'm surprised all the other ISISes haven't changed their names yet
01:27:55 <hppavilion[1]> (e.g. the Institute for Science and International Security)
01:28:02 <shachaf> oerjan: Ah.
01:28:06 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well the egyptian goddess probably just sneers at the idea hth
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01:28:09 <shachaf> In the US your employer can fire you for no reason at any time.
01:28:32 <oerjan> i've heard.
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01:29:00 <hppavilion[1]> In Zimbabwe, you don't have an employer
01:29:40 <zzo38> It would help to change their name to help to distinguish them, so that you will not confuse one with other, but in the correct contexts it can be clear. For Egyptian gods you can write "Isis" without capitalizing all of the letters, so that is not the problem.
01:30:08 <oerjan> in fact, i think your employment automatically expires then, unless you _explicitly_ get an agreement to continue. although my memory is not reliable on the details.
01:30:22 <oerjan> (in norway)
01:30:50 <pikhq> shachaf: Depends on the state actually.
01:32:00 <pikhq> ... And technically (but uselessly), they can only fire you for non-discriminatory reasons.
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01:32:22 <pikhq> (but do not have to say why they're firing you)
01:32:22 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: The general rule is that they can, unless the particular state says otherwise
01:32:42 <shachaf> pikhq: I said "for no reason, not "for any reason".
01:32:51 <pikhq> Ah, yes.
01:33:05 <hppavilion[1]> "Bammert v. Don's Super Valu, Inc., 646 N.W.2d 365 (Wis. 2002) the Wisconsin Supreme Court held that it was not contrary to public policy for an employer to dismiss an employee on grounds of her husband's drunk driving charge"
01:33:14 <pikhq> In most of the US but not all of it, it is literally legal to fire someone on the basis of "because".
01:33:39 <shachaf> And why not?
01:34:20 <shachaf> You might say: In some of the US, it is literally illegal to stop paying someone money unless you have good reason.
01:34:24 <shachaf> a
01:34:37 <shachaf> I pressed ^J instead of ^K while editing that sentence.
01:35:39 <shachaf> Anyway, I think California employment law is considered pretty employee-friendly in many ways.
01:35:45 <shachaf> But at-will employment is still standard here.
01:36:38 <pikhq> As with most things in labor relations, it's complicated, and any particular setup has pros and cons, and what's the best depends on a lot of things...
01:36:39 <oerjan> this is the kind of stuff that makes americans sound like space aliens to me.
01:37:03 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: WHO TOLD YOU THAT IT'S COMPLETELY WRONG
01:37:17 <oerjan> but then, lately norwegians do too so...
01:37:35 <shachaf> oerjan: What would be a less space-alien way of doing things?
01:37:38 <pikhq> Buuut, well. Employers tend to be bargaining from an incredibly advantageous position, that employees are not, and as such it can make sense to limit the power that an employer has over their employees.
01:38:07 <pikhq> Limiting reasons that an employer can dismiss an employee seems like reasonable in that light.
01:38:15 <oerjan> shachaf: actually trying to get a proper balance of power between employers and employees?
01:38:20 <hppavilion[1]> Personally, I think it makes the most sense to vaporize troublesome employees from orbit
01:39:25 <shachaf> That sounds good.
01:39:41 <oerjan> and also, employees actually cooperating in order not to get abused.
01:39:53 <oerjan> (aka unions)
01:40:08 <hppavilion[1]> We should scrap unions and use intersections instead
01:41:54 <zzo38> I think that some things that some things that employers would put in the contract to work should be prohibited, that both sides should be allowed to terminate employment at any time for any reason, and that minimum wage should be decreased to zero.
01:42:16 <oerjan> . o O ( stand here in the middle of this intersection until you agree to pay us properly )
01:43:13 <shachaf> zzo38: Why not decrease the minimum wage to a negative amount?
01:44:05 <oerjan> i think that zzo38 doesn't understand how power imbalance works.
01:44:35 <zzo38> Because it is not necessary and will not help. However, it can still be possible to lose money due to having to pay for parking and various other kind of services and products and so on. But the wages themself should not be allowed to be negative; the minimum should be zero.
01:44:50 * pikhq notes that oerjan is in a country without a minimum wage. :P
01:44:57 <oerjan> pikhq: heh
01:45:19 <pikhq> Though you're also in a country where unions are sufficiently strong that this is really a technicality.
01:46:11 <oerjan> yes. also we have a law (against "social dumping") which in certain cases allows enforcing union tariffs on non-unionized workers in an industry.
01:46:30 <oerjan> it's e.g. been used in construction
01:46:48 <shachaf> Isn't that just "ionized"?
01:46:56 <oerjan> MAYBE
01:51:20 <oerjan> no.wikipedia lists for 2012: construction, ship building, agriculture and cleaning services
01:52:09 <oerjan> (these are industries with major foreign workers and a history of abuse)
01:52:20 <oerjan> er
01:52:29 <oerjan> *a major amount of
01:53:21 <oerjan> (the term is "Allmengjøring" and there's no english article)
01:53:32 <oerjan> *nn
01:59:59 <shachaf> oerjan: but have you considered the benefits that large companies see from exploiting workers
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02:11:13 <shachaf> anyway i don't even know what to think about unions
02:16:50 <FreeFull> What do you think about intersections?
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02:47:07 <zzo38> `danddreclist 80
02:47:11 <HackEgo> danddreclist 80: shachaf nooodl boily \ http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex
02:47:27 <shachaf> lynn: should danddreclist be edited twh
02:48:17 <lynn> I never end up reading the updates these days anyway. ;-;
02:48:26 <shachaf> hynn
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02:50:08 <quintopia> hello
02:50:21 <zzo38> You can edit them by yourself if you want to though
02:50:46 <shachaf> Edit whom by yourself?
02:50:56 <lynn> I forget the command to do so, so...
02:50:59 <zzo38> Edit the danddreclist if you want to
02:51:12 <zzo38> (It looks OK to me though)
02:51:19 <quintopia> zzo38: if they are carved pips, scratching out the paint won't change the apparent value of the die...
02:51:38 <oerjan> lynn: `sled hth
02:52:06 <zzo38> quintopia: O, well, I don't know if it is carved pips or not, but because of what it says in the footnote (that I wrote), I will assume (for now) that they are not carved.
02:52:41 <zzo38> (Actually, footnotes have nothing to do with it)
02:52:46 <zzo38> (It is in the main text.)
02:54:31 <zzo38> The dice are big dice that can be used by ogres, so I don't know exactly its working
02:56:12 <quintopia> zzo38: they are these: http://www.orientaltrading.com/web/browse/processProductsCatalog?Nrpp=10000&sku=13674060&BP=PS490&ms=search&source=google&cm_mmc=Google-_-242030648-_-20452920848-_-Garden+Dice+Game&cm_mmca1=OTC%2BPLAs&cm_mmca2=GooglePLAs&cm_mmca3=PS490&cm_mmca4=FS39&cm_mmca5=Shopping&cm_mmca6=PLAs&cm_mmc10=Shopping&cm_mmca11=13674060&cm_mmca12=Garden+Dice+Game&gclid=CjwKEAjwzN27BRDFn9aAwLmH2yISJABWuEXcklu0LsVX_D0rO6w1wyL-46YQoJ7oKATadMn
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02:56:48 <zzo38> Why does it have so many query parameters?
02:57:05 <quintopia> http://goo.gl/MGm5FU
02:57:43 <zzo38> I tried omitting cm_mcca1 and everything after it and still found the page anyways.
02:58:03 <zzo38> Those dice do not look like carved pips to me as far as I can tell.
02:58:20 <shachaf> quintopia: whoa whoa whoa, posting url shorteners in irc for no reason is a bit rude
02:58:34 <zzo38> So if the dice are like those ones, then removing some of the dots should work
02:59:06 <quintopia> shachaf: i had a reason
02:59:09 <quintopia> zzo38: yes exactly
02:59:12 <pikhq> Those look like fairly large foam dice, TBH.
02:59:17 <quintopia> they are wood
02:59:22 <pikhq> Huh.
02:59:28 <shachaf> Why not just post the canonical link, <http://www.orientaltrading.com/garden-dice-game-a2-13674060.fltr>?
02:59:30 <pikhq> So they are.
02:59:36 <zzo38> It says right there, it is wood
02:59:57 <quintopia> shachaf: because i didn't know how much i could delete without it going somewhere else, so it's easier just to click the url shortener button
03:00:11 <shachaf> There's a canonical URL right in the page.
03:00:20 <shachaf> <link rel="canonical"
03:00:45 <quintopia> this concept of a canonical url is not one i'm familiar with
03:00:58 <quintopia> also the concept of a shortened url being rude in irc
03:01:26 <shachaf> A URL shortener is rude in IRC because it could lead to a shock site, for instance.
03:01:35 <pikhq> My browser doesn't seem fond of showing me the canonical URL.
03:01:55 <shachaf> Oh, well, I have a bookmarklet that takes me to the canonical URL for the current page.
03:01:55 <pikhq> Do you have an extension for that, shachaf?
03:02:04 <zzo38> I think that URL shortener should not be used unless the full URL is unusable for some reason.
03:02:08 <pikhq> Ah.
03:02:12 <quintopia> shachaf: that would imply linking to a shock site via shortened url is rude, not that shortened urls are rude in themselves
03:02:32 <shachaf> Well, linking to a shock site via any mechanism is rude.
03:02:32 <zzo38> (Independent of whether the URL shortening is posted on IRC or elsewhere)
03:02:40 <quintopia> true true
03:03:04 <shachaf> But a URL shortener, unnecessarily used, makes peoeple worry.
03:05:54 <pikhq> It'd be nice if browsers actually had an interface for rel=canonical, rather than needing a bookmarklet or extension.
03:06:11 <shachaf> I agree.
03:06:59 <zzo38> Possibly something can be done by use of userChrome.js or whatever, to apply the way to add a menu that will list all of the rel= links
03:08:07 <shachaf> Yes, adding some user chrome would solve pikhq's problem perfectly.
03:22:58 <hppavilion[1]> I prefer a link shortener where all links go directly to goatse
03:24:14 <zzo38> That works if you want to link to goatse but does not work so well if you want to link to something else.
03:24:34 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Yes, but I only ever want to link to goatse
03:24:43 <hppavilion[1]> Does anybody use link shorteners for anything but shock imagery?
03:25:17 <hppavilion[1]> To be clear, it should allow you to link to different goatse-serving sites
03:29:07 <hppavilion[1]> I found http://ponycountdown.com/
03:29:10 <hppavilion[1]> I'm stuck
03:29:33 <lynn> Is that goatse?
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03:30:44 <hppavilion[1]> lynn: No
03:30:47 <hppavilion[1]> lynn: Not yet, at least
03:31:54 <shachaf> lynn: do you have any "fancy new automata facts" twh
03:32:52 <lynn> "No" :(
03:36:44 <shachaf> how about "fancy new lynn facts"
03:37:35 <oerjan> <quintopia> shachaf: that would imply linking to a shock site via shortened url is rude, not that shortened urls are rude in themselves <-- no, you need to think more meta: it is rude to link unnecessarily in such a way that it cannot be followed by someone with a personal policy not to click on links that aren't obviously non-shock sites.
03:37:49 <shachaf> right
03:38:09 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, if you click Twilight it counts in planck time
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03:49:21 * oerjan notes that wikipedia's featured article contains real life retirony
03:50:01 <shachaf> Irony about retirement?
03:50:10 <oerjan> it's a tvtrope
03:51:20 <oerjan> basically in any action movie, the life expectancy of any character drops badly if it is ever mentioned that they're just about to retire.
03:51:49 <hppavilion[1]> I'm never going to retire. Ever.
03:51:59 <oerjan> good plan.
03:53:20 * oerjan has the impression tvtropes has recently improved their site design. istr it went through a period it was pretty atrocious.
03:54:00 <oerjan> or maybe i'm confusing with wikia, which still is.
03:54:31 <pikhq> TVtropes hasn't *significantly* changed their site design at all.
03:54:32 <oerjan> *+when
03:54:37 <pikhq> I mean, it's changed, but not hugely.
03:58:33 <shachaf> oerjan: What if they mention that they've already retired?
03:58:42 <shachaf> And that they won't do their job maintaining the wisdom database?
03:58:55 <shachaf> What happens to their life expectancy then?
04:02:07 <oerjan> skyrocketing hth
04:02:34 <shachaf> how does swatting affect life expectancy
04:02:45 <oerjan> not much unless you're a fly
04:03:45 <shachaf> i've never known a fly to swat anything
04:07:07 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Retiring from minor roles on IRC can result in death, but only minor death on IRC
04:07:52 <hppavilion[1]> (relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1437/)
04:07:57 <oerjan> shachaf: they have some trouble holding the swatter
04:08:17 <shachaf> how is that relevant to anything
04:08:24 <shachaf> it's just a comic strip
04:08:44 <oerjan> shachaf: hover text
04:09:15 <oerjan> still, the relevance is pretty minor
04:09:16 <shachaf> you don't need to link to a comic strip for every thought you have
04:10:05 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Correct; only the ones for which there is a relevant xkcd
04:10:26 <hppavilion[1]> Just be glad I'm not the supernatural fandom
04:10:28 <shachaf> no, even if that comic strip has something vaguely related, you don't need to link to it
04:10:44 <oerjan> shachaf: i'd link a comic for that comment but i cannot find one
04:11:06 <oerjan> hm...
04:11:43 <shachaf> just don't
04:12:31 <oerjan> all i can find is this reddit link hth https://www.reddit.com/r/RelevantXKCD/comments/24duue/looking_for_an_xkcd_about_how_theres_always_a/
04:12:58 <shachaf> i'm not going to click on that
04:13:04 <shachaf> i asked you not to even do it
04:13:10 <oerjan> don't worry, they didn't actually find one.
04:13:30 <oerjan> well i didn't link to a comic.
04:13:40 <shachaf> is this some sort of cult of personality or what
04:13:48 <oerjan> what is
04:14:20 <oerjan> well the subreddit is of course about how there's always a relevant xkcd.
04:14:29 <shachaf> the whole phenomenon
04:14:55 <shachaf> every time someone talks about sql injection someone links to that annoying bobby comic
04:14:55 <oerjan> yeah
04:15:34 <shachaf> as if that comic invented sql injection
04:15:34 <oerjan> . o O ( is there an xkcd comic about people getting tired of memes )
04:22:22 <hppavilion[1]> Perl Harbor
04:23:01 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: That's what I was looking for
04:23:07 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: There's the meme density one?
04:23:25 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh! The one where he saves old memes to use them again when everyone's forgotten!
04:26:50 <hppavilion[1]> Does HTCPCP support unfalsifiable claims?
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05:03:35 <hppavilion[1]> Polygraphs aren't very good
05:03:40 <hppavilion[1]> We should upgrade to omnigraphs
05:05:49 <shachaf> I know some good monographs.
05:05:55 <shachaf> So you're probably going in the wrong direction.
05:07:05 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: What about nilgraphs?
05:07:08 <oerjan> besides you are mixing greek and latin again
05:07:22 <shachaf> oerjan: That's OK, English mixes Greek and Latin all the time.
05:07:27 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: "hexadecimal"
05:07:39 * oerjan swats you both -----###
05:07:48 <shachaf> hey
05:07:55 <shachaf> half the fun of a swat is getting hilighted tdnh
05:08:51 * oerjan swats whoever invented "hexadecimal" in absentia -----###
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05:10:56 <oerjan> shaving ->
05:11:23 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa
05:11:36 <shachaf> oerjan shaves?
05:12:04 <oerjan> it happens
05:12:11 <oerjan> every day or two
05:12:24 <oerjan> ->
05:12:53 <shachaf> oerjan: how do you feel about people pronouncing the 'j' in your name as 'zh'
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05:50:50 <Cale> also what about 'h'?
05:58:15 <izabera> what do i pass as a size to __builtin_apply in gcc with vararg functions?
06:06:59 <oerjan> shachaf: infidels!
06:08:24 <oerjan> Cale: no such thing.
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06:54:00 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I'm pretty sure "oerjan" is the IPA spelling hth
06:54:26 <hppavilion[1]> . o O ( I wonder if there are any easter eggs hidden in the IPA )
06:57:13 <oerjan> i'm pretty sure you're wrong hth
06:57:36 <oerjan> i think only the j and n are right.
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07:03:24 <hppavilion[1]> Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn seems best-pronounced in a Schwarzenegger voice
07:04:18 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, there's "Mr. Universe" but no "Dr. Multiverse"
07:04:22 <hppavilion[1]> I see an opening
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09:24:26 <izabera> `unidecode 💜🌺
09:24:37 <izabera> `unidecode 👀🍻
09:24:41 <HackEgo> U+1F49C PURPLE HEART \ UTF-8: f0 9f 92 9c UTF-16BE: d83ddc9c Decimal: &#128156; \ 💜 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F33A HIBISCUS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8c ba UTF-16BE: d83cdf3a Decimal: &#127802; \ 🌺 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
09:24:51 <HackEgo> U+1F440 EYES \ UTF-8: f0 9f 91 80 UTF-16BE: d83ddc40 Decimal: &#128064; \ 👀 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+1F37B CLINKING BEER MUGS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8d bb UTF-16BE: d83cdf7b Decimal: &#127867; \ 🍻 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
09:27:28 <oerjan> `? sheaf
09:27:30 <HackEgo> sheaf? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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10:00:12 <izabera> did you know that the posters for toy story 3 and harry potter the deathly hallows 2 don't have the title of the movie on them?
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11:16:23 <hppavilion[1]> <hppavilion[1]> (We assume it's a real doctorate (no Doctors of Divination) from an accredited program and it isn't honourary)
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11:16:54 <hppavilion[1]> <hppavilion[1]> Fan-bearer on the Right Side of the King: An actual tutile
11:16:56 <hppavilion[1]> <hppavilion[1]> *title
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11:17:34 <hppavilion[1]> <hppavilion[1]> Women-only scholarships: The most sexist-ass bullshit I've ever seen
11:17:36 <hppavilion[1]> * FLHerne (
11:17:38 <hppavilion[1]> Fuck
11:17:40 <hppavilion[1]> Did that go through?
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12:31:27 <tswett> hppavilion[1]: guess what, I just vacated your state.
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12:47:22 <hppavilion[2]> tswett: Wat?
12:47:33 <hppavilion[2]> tswett: Which state?
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12:48:39 <tswett> Alaska.
12:50:28 <hppavilion[2]> tswett: Oh?
12:50:31 <hppavilion[2]> Vacated as in left?
12:51:11 <hppavilion[2]> I take it you went through our Series of Tubes Memorial Airport?
12:51:13 <int-e> tswett: hmm, did you leave behind any surprises?
12:51:55 <hppavilion[2]> I don't think anything e left would look out of place among anything else
12:53:05 <int-e> (it's a non-answerable question, of course; once revealed it would no longer be a surprise)
12:53:34 <hppavilion[2]> If I ever get to be in charge of a polygraph, I'm asking "Is the answer to this question no?"
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20:16:56 <myname> o.o
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20:39:08 <quintopia> @tell oerjan <oerjan> no, you need to think more meta: it is rude to link unnecessarily in such a way that it cannot be followed by someone with a personal policy not to click on links that aren't obviously non-shock sites. <-- this seems obviously false. posting a shortened link and saying "this is a link to X" and it is should not be rude, unless trigger warnings are also rude. a link poster is not rude because someone else has a personal p
20:39:09 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:39:15 <moon_> moo
20:40:54 <quintopia> @tell oerjan it should be the job of the person with the personal policy to paste the link into getlinkinfo.com if they want to see where the link goes.
20:40:54 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:44:03 <quintopia> @tell oerjan or else, perhaps even easier, configure their terminal or browser to automatically send shortened links there
20:44:03 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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23:07:30 <alercah> anyone have recommendations for a cross-device password manager?
23:15:26 <izabera> i just spent several hours trying to build a thing where the main shell script did something like this for every command: cmd > logfile 2>&1
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23:27:32 <alercah> lol
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23:46:16 <oerjan> @messages-foul
23:46:17 <lambdabot> quintopia said 3h 7m 7s ago: <oerjan> no, you need to think more meta: it is rude to link unnecessarily in such a way that it cannot be followed by someone with a personal policy not to click on links that aren't obviously non-shock sites. <-- this seems obviously false. posting a shortened link and saying "this is a link to X" and it is should
23:46:17 <lambdabot> not be rude, unless trigger warnings are also rude. a link poster is not rude because someone else has a personal p
23:46:17 <lambdabot> quintopia said 3h 5m 22s ago: it should be the job of the person with the personal policy to paste the link into getlinkinfo.com if they want to see where the link goes.
23:46:17 <lambdabot> quintopia said 3h 2m 13s ago: or else, perhaps even easier, configure their terminal or browser to automatically send shortened links there
23:48:14 <oerjan> @tell quintopia i disagree. also it's your job to fix your client so your messages don't get cut off hth
23:48:14 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:50:20 <oerjan> @tell quintopia as a more general rule, it is rude to push work on several others that it is easier for you to do yourself.
23:50:21 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
23:50:41 * oerjan just _knows_ he'll get that one back.
23:50:51 <oerjan> (karmically)
23:52:03 <izabera> most systems have a max level of scripts they can run with a shebang
23:52:14 <izabera> at some point the kernel just returns ELOOP
23:52:23 <izabera> i just realized you can bypass this with /usr/bin/env
23:53:05 <oerjan> hm that reminds me
23:53:23 <oerjan> does HackEgo support running scripts as #! interpreters
23:53:30 <izabera> sure
23:53:43 <oerjan> hm that makes an idea i had much easier.
23:54:21 <oerjan> `cat bin/*input
23:54:32 <oerjan> buh
23:54:43 <HackEgo> cat: bin/*input: No such file or directory
23:54:46 <oerjan> `` cat bin/print*
23:54:52 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/bash \ if [ "$#" -gt 0 ]; then printf '%s\n' "$*"; else cat; fi
23:55:06 <oerjan> i wanted to make a version of that can be used as a #!
23:55:21 <izabera> else cat "$@"
23:55:32 <oerjan> no
23:55:33 <izabera> but then $# will never be 0
23:55:51 <oerjan> exactly
23:56:04 <izabera> add shift at the beginning
23:56:12 <oerjan> not quite
23:56:17 <izabera> y u no shift
23:56:28 <oerjan> well ok but i need to save what's shifted first
23:56:30 <oerjan> lessee
23:56:44 <izabera> var=$1; bro do you even shift
23:57:15 <oerjan> well ok just need to find out where the args go
23:57:25 <oerjan> `` ls bin/print*
23:57:29 <HackEgo> bin/print_args_or_input
23:58:06 <oerjan> and what to call the modified script
23:59:13 <oerjan> maybe just shebang_args_or_input
23:59:41 <oerjan> so it would be like #!/hackenv/bin/shebang_args_or_input python
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