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00:20:17 <lambdabot> KORD 142251Z 12007KT 10SM SCT055 BKN250 28/18 A3002 RMK AO2 SLP161 T02830183
00:21:12 <fizzie> Well, the airport's pretty far from here.
00:21:35 <fizzie> Maybe there's a closer metar target.
00:22:29 <lambdabot> KOAK 142253Z 29013KT 10SM FEW010 FEW250 21/13 A2989 RMK AO2 SLP121 T02110133
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00:25:50 <lambdabot> CYUL 142300Z 29017G25KT 30SM FEW035 BKN052 BKN250 23/17 A2993 RMK CU1SC6CI1 CU TR SLP138 DENSITY ALT 1000FT
00:26:10 <lambdabot> KPHX 142251Z 20005KT 10SM FEW100 FEW150 41/12 A2978 RMK AO2 SLP063 T04060122
00:26:12 <boily> BREATHABLE WEATHER! COMFORT!
00:26:26 <boily> hellochaf. Phœnix is not livable at hth
00:27:50 <boily> weather where you can cook steak in direct sunlight is too warm for me.
00:29:33 <boily> fizzie: fizziello. which is you favourite Coast?
00:29:45 <shachaf> boily: I like The Coast of Utopia.
00:30:34 <boily> my coast can beat your coast anytime! nah!
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00:30:54 <shachaf> fizzie lives on an island of width ~500km hth
00:34:33 <HackEgo> theory//To be theory is to be like a theorem, but inferior.
00:34:33 <HackEgo> stupidity//Stupidity is created when people are too lazy to think correctly.
00:34:33 <HackEgo> json//JSON is JavaSyntax Or Nothing.
00:34:33 <HackEgo> wikipedia//Wikipedia is a bit like TVTropes but in more languages.
00:34:33 <HackEgo> szoup//A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
00:35:22 <HackEgo> Stanisław Lem was a Polish logician who discovered the law of excluded middle.
00:35:29 <fizzie> boily: I don't think I can really say about them American coasts, I've seen very little of them.
00:35:41 <shachaf> fizzie: When are you coming to MTV again?
00:36:24 <fizzie> I am in a place called "California Pizza Kitchen" now, does that count?
00:36:40 <shachaf> Have you tried Norwegian pizza?
00:37:31 <boily> . o O ( Norwegian pizza? with lutefisk? )
00:39:39 <fizzie> I mean, I've been to Norway and I might've eaten pizza there, but I don't think there was anything particularly Norwegian about it.
00:39:55 <shachaf> I've been told that Norwegian pizza is the best in the world.
00:40:57 <fizzie> I've been told that Chicago has some particular kind of pizza.
00:41:49 <shachaf> i,i https://twitter.com/TheFoodLab/status/761106613088325632
00:44:21 <fizzie> I... don't know if that's quite it.
00:46:47 <boily> I always forget what is i,i :/
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01:52:34 <boily> I clicked the link.
01:53:19 <hppavilion> I didn't know what the content was until I realized that goo.gl displays the page you shorten for
01:55:51 <fizzie> Strange. The laptop switched timezones automajistically when I went to Cambridge (I didn't know it was going to do that), but now it's stuck in Eastern Daylight Time.
01:55:53 <oerjan> waiting for registration emails is scow.
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01:56:49 <boily> oerjan: what are you registrating at for? and s/scow/hth/. you're oerjan, not shachaf hth
01:57:03 <oerjan> i'm registering at the iwc forum. after 10 years.
01:57:10 <shachaf> oerjan: i can send you a registration email if you like wth
01:57:37 <oerjan> provided the email ever gets through, that is.
01:58:35 <oerjan> `learn WTH is wavy toe hair. hth.
01:58:39 <HackEgo> Learned 'wth': WTH is wavy toe hair. hth.
02:01:23 <boily> fungot: do you have toe hair?
02:01:23 <fungot> boily: need a clone? the magician, nolstein bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him!
02:02:27 <oerjan> fungot: don't tell me you are tired of life D:
02:02:27 <fungot> oerjan: yes, it's been awhile prometheus! something is reacting to the pendant. take out the contents are yours?
02:02:49 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
02:02:54 <fungot> Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script)
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02:08:49 <HackEgo> busy beaver growth? ¯\(°_o)/¯
02:10:06 <oerjan> `le/rn busy beaver growth/No one can compute the length of a wisdom entry sufficient to explain busy beaver growth.
02:10:08 <HackEgo> Learned «busy beaver growth»
02:11:28 <shachaf> `? superexponential growth
02:11:29 <HackEgo> Superexponential growth? SUPEREXPONENTIAL GROWTH?! HOLY CRAP!!!
02:11:36 <fizzie> fungot: Why do you no longer ever talk about that sword that alone could not stop?
02:11:36 <fungot> fizzie: must think of a way to the ocean palace?
02:11:36 <alercah> oerjan: what do you hope that helped with?
02:11:39 <shachaf> `cwlprits superexponential growth
02:11:55 <oerjan> alercah: well you pointed out an obvious gap in wisdom hth
02:12:13 <shachaf> oerjan: your wisdom entry fills a much-needed gap hth
02:12:33 <oerjan> shachaf: that's because you don't understand superexponential growth
02:12:45 <fizzie> fungot: There's a transporter in the Zeal Palace, you just need to energize the pendant in the Mammon Machine.
02:12:45 <fungot> fizzie: in the middle ages, sir slush!... you're gaspar, the guru of time! get moving! irreparable! please! pretty please! hmmm, two-legged, walking humanoid robot! incredible!
02:14:48 * oerjan uses the saucepan to add a much-needed gap to shachaf's teeth ===\__/
02:17:11 <oerjan> the email is still not getting through :( i hope it hasn't been caught by a spam filter.
02:26:31 <oerjan> i guess it was just not meant to be.
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02:56:52 <fizzie> "By removing the need for would-be programmers to learn esoteric programming languages, the method has the potential to significantly expand the number of people engaged in programming --"
02:56:56 <fizzie> https://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=189457&org=NSF&from=news
02:57:19 <fizzie> I see we've been made obsolete.
02:58:37 <oerjan> 's ok they'll only be able to make fruit game apps hth
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03:17:21 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Calcutape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49145&oldid=49094 * Darkrifts * (+176) Added http://termbin.com/dubq implementation
03:18:11 <quintopia> it feels so nice to actually be writing a bit of python code again.
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03:45:59 <Jafet> perhaps we should advocate our position with a textbook
03:46:11 <Jafet> “Computer Programming Made Difficult”
03:49:27 <quintopia> zzo38: do you know anything about packing strings?
03:49:40 <Jafet> “Total Grants: $9,006,930” — it seems that esoteric programming is being severely outfunded, too.
03:54:05 <pecan> ‘Computer Programming Made Difficult’ seems like an excellent name for an INTERCAL book.
04:03:05 <zzo38> quintopia: About packing strings with what? You would have to be more specific, I think
04:09:41 <Jafet> I recommend using packing tape instead of packing strings
04:11:13 <zzo38> Yes, I think it work better
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04:35:35 <zzo38> When I watch the television I like to enable both the captions and the sound, although some people don't like the captions. (Someone said to me that she prefers the talking, but enabling the captions does not preclude also sound.)
04:36:47 <zzo38> It seem that sometimes the people who wrote the caption does not even know what they said; I would hope that they should ask the people who made the TV show or who are talking on the TV show, so that they can write it on the caption!
04:40:21 <zzo38> What would you think of such thing as this?
04:42:16 <zzo38> Is there any TV caption code to tell it to not display some of the captions? I think it can be useful if you write caption for Jeopardy then you can write the clues also into the captions but write them concealed so that it the clue will not be doubled on the TV screen, but is still displayed if you print out the captions.
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05:26:27 <oerjan> girl genius: i hope Dimo won't accidentally activate that thing
05:31:07 <oerjan> also, who are those guys...
05:37:40 <pikhq> zzo38: *Sometimes* the captions are being done live, so it's not feasible.
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05:52:43 <zzo38> pikhq: Yes, I think it might for news shows maybe?
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09:25:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Fishstacks]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49146&oldid=40543 * DatCodingGuy * (+122)
09:30:18 <myname> fishstacks sounds useless
09:30:30 <myname> you basically replace output with 4 pushes
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12:06:44 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49147&oldid=49109 * 220.127.116.11 * (+1092) /* Implementation */
12:08:10 <HackEgo> future//We know nothing about the future.
12:08:10 <HackEgo> universe//A universe is a poem in one stanza.
12:08:10 <HackEgo> shachaf//Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him.
12:10:05 <gamemanj> At least the number 256 is easy to write. "iisss"
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19:03:35 <relrod> shachaf: I'm doing hacky weird things with SPARC64 boxes, don't mind me~
19:04:35 <Zarutian> relrod: SPARC64? isnt that an variation MIPS RISC? Does it use OpenFirmware for booting?
19:05:51 <relrod> Zarutian: yeah, openboot :)
19:06:33 <relrod> had a coworker who was moving and had to get rid of them, so I was like "I'll take them!" -- we both drove about 8 hours, met half way, and he loaded up my car with them :P
19:06:43 <relrod> they used to be part of the Fedora SPARC buildsystem
19:07:42 <Zarutian> I wonder how many SPARC cores you could fit on today chip-dies with todays 22nm feature size techniques
19:10:31 <Zarutian> but I love that expansion cards (PCI or S-BUS) could have ROMs with minimal driver written in F-code
19:11:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Subtractpocalypse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49151&oldid=47203 * Keymaker * (+3252) Proof of Turing-completeness via Minsky Machine translation.
19:15:57 <hppavilion> Companies can merge together to form a new, bigger company
19:16:12 <hppavilion> But is there ever a reason for companies to divide when they aren't compelled to?
19:16:38 <shachaf> Depends on what you mean by dividing.
19:17:26 <shachaf> You can have all sorts of reasons to split up a company into subsidiaries which are still part of the same bigger company.
19:17:36 <shachaf> You can sell part of a company to someone
19:18:54 <Zarutian> hppavilion: you mean seperation and spin of? Happens all the time in the field of electronics component making
19:18:54 <fizzie> Goo... I mean, Alphabet did sort of something like splitting up.
19:19:22 <hppavilion> shachaf: One company becomes two, fully independent companies, neither of which is incorporated into another or bought by a private individual... I guess
19:19:47 <hppavilion> Does it ever take you embarrassingly long to get a pun? Like, The Count from Sesame Street
19:20:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Subtractpocalypse]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49152&oldid=49151 * Keymaker * (+6) Added missing commas to the translation example.
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19:20:37 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paulproteus/List_of_puns_that_took_Asheesh_more_than_a_year_to_get
19:23:15 <shachaf> Well, you can ask who owns the two independent companies.
19:26:50 <quintopia> welp...that TCness proof turned out to be a lot simpler than anyone thought...
19:27:38 <HackEgo> TG is short for Turing-Gödel, the highest possible level of difficulty for a multiplayer game. At this level, it's undecidable whether you can manage to halt before losing or not.
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19:31:19 <quintopia> i'm not sure what is meant by the "Delta is for D like in the NATO alphabet" thing
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19:31:42 <quintopia> Delta the airline was named after its origins cropdusting the mississippi river delta...
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19:38:58 <Zarutian> quintopia: you recognize this ∆ ? That is a delta
19:40:11 <quintopia> Zarutian: yes, and it is the origin of Delta's logo. i get that. But the name preceded the logo. they said "we're called Delta, so we'll use a greek letter delta as our logo."
19:44:34 <Zarutian> quintopia: the NATO phonetic alphabet is used when you have to have to spell something out or raise someone on radio via callsign
19:45:58 <quintopia> Zarutian: i suspect Delta was chosen for the NATO alphabet based on it being a greek letter, rather than it being the name of an airline
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20:21:22 <hppavilion> We should measure self-driving cars' intelligence in horsepower
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21:38:39 <orin> George Soros's NGOs' files have been leaked! Yay for government transparency!
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21:39:56 <gamemanj> If it's an NGO, then how can it be government transparency?
21:40:53 <orin> gamemanj: because it is now proven that George Soros has been influencing the actions of European governments wrt to the migrant crisis
21:41:31 <orin> a heinous affront to democracy
21:42:24 <orin> I hope the Koch Brothers get leaked next
21:42:55 <gamemanj> I see nothing wrong with the Koch snowflake.
21:43:52 <orin> gamemanj: clearly you haven't zoomed in enough
21:46:31 <hppavilion> God, ~13.82 billion years ago: "What if I made a universe where things necessary to survive were rivalrous and excludable?"
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21:51:58 <int-e> orin: doxing may be the term you're looking for
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21:54:43 <shachaf> I'm probably going to be buying a laptop.
21:54:49 <int-e> (The word is good enough for Bruce Schneier so it's good enough for me)
21:54:55 <shachaf> But my experiences lead me to avoid HP Pavilions.
21:55:34 <shachaf> My experiences with an HP Pavilion laptop, I mean.
21:55:34 <orin> shachaf: I recommend thinkpad
21:55:36 <int-e> /ignore is still a win on that front, IMHO.
21:56:00 <shachaf> orin: Do you? More than e.g. Dell XPS 15?
21:56:10 <hppavilion> I recommend buying a soldering iron and some silicone
21:56:19 <shachaf> Which Thinkpad is as good as Dell XPS 15?
21:56:25 <orin> IME Dells come loaded with more crap software
21:56:47 <shachaf> Well, I wouldn't be running Windows most of the time anyway.
21:56:53 <hppavilion> What would it be like if I had a computer that wasn't full of unnecessary shit?
21:57:05 <shachaf> Also I could buy the Signature Edition from the Microsoft Store, which comes with a "no bloatware" promise.
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21:57:30 <shachaf> Doesn't Lenovo put spyware in its computers anyway?
21:57:52 <shachaf> Anyway I hardly use Windows so I care about the hardware.
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21:58:43 <orin> shachaf: in that case, the manufacturer hardly matters, other than chassis aesthetics
21:58:46 <gamemanj> (What Linux feels like depends on the distribution.)
21:59:11 <orin> shachaf: I like black
21:59:34 <orin> and their T series is suitably boxy and tough looking
22:00:13 <orin> like a MiG-31 of laptops
22:00:14 <gamemanj> laptops, laptops... who needs new laptops
22:00:49 * gamemanj points at a laptop that is (probably) 4 or 5 years old IIRC
22:00:55 <myname> i had an arch linux on a server that didn't have man installed :D
22:01:50 <gamemanj> also, orin, that's computer-colour-ist
22:01:56 <hppavilion> (It does have OneKey Optimizer, which is nice, albeit probably useless)
22:01:58 <gamemanj> don't discriminate computers and laptops by colour
22:02:56 <orin> but I don't like silver coloured computers
22:03:00 <hppavilion> gamemanj: Yeah, only discriminate by computer gender, religion, national origin, sexuality, or gender identity
22:03:43 <gamemanj> hppavilion: Computers, to the best of my knowledge, don't have gender, religion, sexuality, or gender identity. But yeah, also don't discriminate based on national origin.
22:04:15 * gamemanj stares into hppavilion's deep eyes.
22:04:18 <myname> laptops are post gender
22:05:36 <orin> All laptops are made in China by Taiwanese manufacturers abyway
22:06:26 <orin> the Guangdong megacity
22:06:53 <orin> My dad went there once, he borught back a lot of cool picutres
22:07:50 <orin> one day I want to live in a city that big
22:08:13 <orin> Toronto is insufficiently urban
22:10:48 <shachaf> Apple probably makes the best laptops.
22:10:55 <shachaf> But I don't want an Apple computer.
22:11:36 <orin> shachaf: you mean, Apple hires 鴻海科技集團 to make laptops, according to their specs.
22:11:50 <orin> Apple doesnt actually manufacture any laptops
22:12:07 <shachaf> Apple laptops are probably the best ones.
22:12:20 <shachaf> Whether they manufacture them or cause other people to manufacture them is irrelevant.
22:12:30 <pikhq> Few *entities* actually do manufacturing of electronics themselves.
22:12:43 <orin> My Thinkpad has a button mouse
22:13:53 <orin> it has a touchpad and a trackpoint, but I actually plug in a usb mouse most of the time
22:14:01 <myname> i'd love a sony vaio p with modern hardware
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22:16:04 <orin> and, interestingly until recently, cpu's were almost exclusively manufactured in the USA
22:16:16 <shachaf> Why did it stop being interesting recently?
22:16:28 <orin> shachaf: ...argh
22:17:25 <orin> I meant that now China manufactures some CPU's
22:18:02 <shachaf> I'd be surprised if Intel did any CPU manufacturing in China.
22:18:49 <orin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunway
22:19:16 <int-e> and there's the whole export restriction debacle that prompted China to make their own ... surprisingly competetive ... CPUs
22:19:18 <shachaf> When can I get a Mill? twh
22:20:41 <int-e> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunway_TaihuLight ... so closely related to orin's link.
22:23:03 <shachaf> http://millcomputing.com/docs/
22:23:29 <shachaf> You should watch the videos.
22:24:15 <int-e> I think I've seen it mentioned but it didn't stick and I didn't investigate in any detail. Thanks for the reminder!
22:25:09 <shachaf> Yes, I ws in that situation the first several times I heard about it.
22:25:38 <shachaf> Eventually I got around to looking into it and then I watched all the videos.
22:26:46 <shachaf> If you watch them on YouTube you might want to put it on 1.5x or 2x speed.
22:28:59 <gamemanj> you know, I don't see any actual hardware on this Mill site
22:29:04 <gamemanj> it may well not exist as a real product
22:29:49 <gamemanj> Oh, apparently at least the ISA semi-exists, because they've been talking about their LLVM compiler work
22:30:44 <int-e> lots of vapor though
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22:36:22 <int-e> even some of the talks are vaporware...
22:36:40 <int-e> "The talk will describe the machinery behind the Mill IPC protocols [...]"
22:37:35 <shachaf> Maybe the Mill people would HireFly
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22:37:49 <shachaf> I don't think they pay any of their employees any money.
22:38:11 <shachaf> Actually I heard one of them gets a bit now.
22:40:59 <FireFly> I made a sierpinski carpet in K earlier today
22:41:27 <FireFly> [ binview ([: ,./^:2 (3 3$1 1 1 1 0) *"0 _ ])^:2 ,.1
22:41:53 <int-e> The belt is a cute idea. They say they have whitepapers but the closest to that I currently see is the wiki.
22:42:22 <int-e> Not impressed so far. And I have no bandwidth for videos, here.
22:42:59 <shachaf> Last I checked there wasn't much information anywhere except the videos.
22:43:25 <int-e> well, videos are an awful medium for actual information.
22:43:33 <shachaf> I can sympathize with not wanting to get the information via videos.
22:43:45 <shachaf> I think you can get some information elsewhere too, e.g. http://millcomputing.com/topic/introduction-to-the-mill-cpu-programming-model-2/
22:49:12 <int-e> Oh well I may have a look at one or two of the talks this week... just need to be at work.
22:49:51 <int-e> presumably the guy is a gifted speaker.
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23:00:14 <HackEgo> ruddy//HackEgo? ¯\(°_o)/¯
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23:33:00 <int-e> https://github.com/irccloud/irccloud-tools/wiki/Notice-handling makes me sad.
23:34:47 <int-e> (actually it's largely correct, but notices just should not result in any popups, ever)
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23:48:40 <zzo38> On this computer I have some pinball game that is involving pokemon and has some kind of strange scoring, for example for each of your pokemons (you can have up to six) how many points you get is
23:49:21 <zzo38> reelvalues(i)*int(m*(i+1.9+level_reached/3)) where reelvalues(i) is the number of that pokemon, int is rounding down a number to an integer, i is the slot number from 0 to 9, and level_reached is calculated based on what modes you have completed.
23:49:35 <zzo38> And m is 5 if you have run out of balls to play, or 1 otherwise.
23:51:19 <shachaf> Why is reelvalues(i) a function of i?
23:51:48 <zzo38> Probably it is a array, I think
23:51:56 <zzo38> (Although I am not quite sure why it is called that)
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