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00:27:25 <oerjan> @tell \oren\ there's a bug so you cannot `revert a new file creation properly hth
00:31:23 * oerjan suddenly gets filled with sadness at having to work around stupid bugs.
00:31:44 <oerjan> on computers, and in real life.
00:31:56 <shachaf> computers have so many bugs
00:32:16 <shachaf> https://danluu.com/everything-is-broken/
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00:46:11 <\oren\> moonythedwarf_: try octave
00:58:28 <oerjan> he waxed, then he waned.
01:07:17 <zzo38> They make modern computer designs too complicated and too much stupid also.
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01:19:36 <oerjan> <\oren\> actually, since my dialect doesn't have t in botLs it should just be boLs <-- sure there's not a glottal stop there?
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01:54:16 <\oren\> oerjan: I'm pretty sure there's no glottal stop. it's more like a d
01:56:39 <oerjan> moonythedwarf_: oh, didn't notice the nicks were different
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01:57:42 <oerjan> \oren\: hm, there's got to be a name for that. lateral stop maybe?
01:59:27 * oerjan found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-stopped_consonant but isn't sure if that's right there
02:03:08 <oerjan> on another site, it's spelled sous
02:04:10 <boily> that's not an easy one...
02:04:38 <oerjan> indeed, i'd never guess it myself *MWAHAHAHA*
02:05:09 <oerjan> (albanian is written with latin alphabet btw)
02:07:24 <boily> one never knows...
02:09:24 <oerjan> nope. at least you're getting onto the right continent.
02:11:25 <oerjan> nope. you haven't got to the right family yet...
02:11:51 <boily> (trying M- languages tonight...)
02:14:10 <oerjan> it's not indian, although it does have some influence.
02:15:01 <oerjan> ("influenced considerably by Sanskrit and Pali")
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02:16:55 <boily> (is it influenced by Sanskrit?)
02:17:54 <oerjan> tocharian is indo-european, which i already implicitly excluded.
02:18:51 <oerjan> it probably was though, "The subject matter of the texts suggests that Tocharian A was more archaic and used as a Buddhist liturgical language"
02:19:42 <oerjan> this language is not extinct btw, it has appr. 16 million speakers.
02:20:44 <oerjan> no, nor any other turkic language.
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02:22:01 <boily> tswellot. heeeeeelp...
02:22:11 <tswett> Quick, think of a rational number which is not of the form x^7 + 3 y^7, where x and y are rational numbers.
02:23:50 <oerjan> boily: no. best guess so far though.
02:24:03 <tswett> How do you write 5 in that form?
02:24:15 <tswett> Oh, I misunderstood your referent.
02:24:44 <oerjan> nope. you still haven't hit the right family.
02:25:35 * boily is trying to remember all the families out there... Sino-Tibetan, Hmong-Mien, Tai-Kadai, Vietic, Austronesian...
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02:27:22 <oerjan> you almost got the right family listed except you chose a wrong subfamily instead.
02:28:30 <oerjan> no. that's austronesian, apparently.
02:29:18 <oerjan> no. you had Tai-Kadai there.
02:30:26 <oerjan> btw it's the official language of a country hth
02:30:58 <oerjan> nope. that seems to be indo-aryan.
02:31:21 <oerjan> also moving in the wrong direction.
02:33:38 <oerjan> doesthiswork: boily is guessing the language of today's porthelloily hth
02:34:57 <boily> (most definitely not influenced by Sanskrit, that one)
02:35:22 <oerjan> nope. that's sino-tibetan.
02:35:40 <boily> (AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!)
02:35:46 <oerjan> that's indo-european hth
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02:37:03 <HackEgo> spockers: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
02:37:10 <oerjan> no, but we've already excluded that too (malayalam)
02:37:27 <boily> maudit est pas facile celle-là à soir...
02:37:29 <oerjan> and i said it wasn't indian.
02:38:16 <boily> wut? Maldivian is Indo-Aryan too?
02:38:47 <oerjan> doesthiswork: i've already mentioned it's not extinct.
02:39:44 * pikhq notes that all Indo-Aryan languages are Indo-European...
02:39:52 <pikhq> Just like all birds are dinosaurs. :)
02:40:07 <oerjan> boily: of the languages you've mentioned, it's also listed as having been influencing/influenced by Thai and Cham hth
02:40:45 <boily> I can't believe I circled that one for so long...
02:41:06 <boily> time to go brush my teeth and approach a pillow.
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02:46:23 <\oren\> https://youtu.be/HpSEgdQWaS0
03:19:30 * Sgeo was expecting Evillious Chronicals. I don't know what your link is
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08:14:53 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 48.42 3874 nuke
08:14:53 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 4009.49978652771
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13:43:25 <b_jonas> fungot, do you like long meetings?
13:43:25 <fungot> b_jonas: p and i are in completely different places in the struct?' i could use a fnord and helpful way?
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14:46:36 <APNG> so let's say I'm making an esolang
14:46:41 <APNG> which I am btw http://play.integer32.com/?gist=0c1b45a0a7f88b2efae29d266f9ccfe8&version=stable&backtrace=2
14:46:52 <APNG> so let's say idk how the thing I'm making actually works
14:47:04 <APNG> I know how to make an infinite loop, or loop twice
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14:47:24 <APNG> but how do I loop 3 times? 4 times? 10 times?
14:47:25 <myname> make an article, some of the hardcore nerds will figure stuff out
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14:47:42 <APNG> n times? not that the thing has any numbers...
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15:32:26 <b_jonas> Ok, so Knuth has updated the prediction on his homepage, so volume 5 of TAOCP is now "Estimated to be ready in 2025." rather than in 2020 as he's predicted before.
15:32:53 <b_jonas> According to the archive.org wayback machine, this change has happened between 2015-11 and 2016-01.
15:34:23 <gamemanj> that sounds like one big revision
15:34:41 <b_jonas> The page is http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/taocp.html
15:35:08 <b_jonas> And it doesn't have any prediction on when the revised volumes 1' to 3' are going to be ready.
15:36:35 <b_jonas> gamemanj: actually TAOCP is now sort of numbered wrong, since volume 4A is published, it's as thick as any of the first three volumes, but the topics professor Knuth originally wanted in volume 4 don't fit in it,
15:36:50 <gamemanj> you know, I highly suspect we may need to invent immortality...
15:36:52 <b_jonas> so he's splitting it to at least two volumes, so there'll be a volume 4B and possibly more.
15:37:06 <gamemanj> ...we definitely need to invent immortality...
15:37:19 <b_jonas> gamemanj: yes, or at least longevity. Knuth is definitely one of those people for whom it would be worth.
15:37:25 <Jafet> eventually volumes 6-7 will return to the original goal of describing compilers
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15:37:56 <b_jonas> like, if I get my hands on very few doses of an extremely rare longevity serum, professor Knuth would be high on the list for who to give it.
15:38:37 <Jafet> it's ok, we'll learn in nine years that DEK was a collective pseudonym
15:38:42 <b_jonas> Jafet: Knuth's words on that is "And after Volumes 1--5 are done, God willing, I plan to publish Volume 6 (the theory of context-free languages) and Volume 7 (Compiler techniques), but only if the things I want to say about those topics are still relevant and still haven't been said. Volumes 1--5 represent the central core of computer programming for sequential machines; the subjects of Volumes 6 and 7 are important but more specialized."
15:39:10 <b_jonas> he's a single genius mathematician
15:42:16 <Jafet> hmm, volume 5 will cover string algorithms
15:42:57 <Jafet> knuth may want to avoid unhealthy foods like pizza and chilli when writing that
15:43:37 <Jafet> or he'll never finish it
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15:56:50 <gamemanj> Warning. Readers of the above b_jonas text may find a contradiction, but it's because of other meanings of the word "single".
15:57:13 <gamemanj> Thus, any advisory on the contradiction does not apply.
15:57:22 <Jafet> (er, pizza and chili)
16:16:26 <izabera> the git book is 33 pages shorter than harry potter and the deathly hallows
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16:53:56 * oerjan finds today's xkcd disturbing
16:56:00 <\oren\> gamemanj: your warning was helpful as I upscrolled
16:56:29 <oerjan> <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 48.42 3874 nuke <-- disappointingly nondestructive tdnh
16:56:42 <gamemanj> "disappointingly nondestructive"?
16:56:50 <gamemanj> ...are you working on mad science experiments?
16:56:59 <\oren\> oerjan: it refers to a nuclear thermal rocket in KSP
16:57:55 <oerjan> . o O ( your attempts to predict ksp behavior are futile... )
16:58:14 <gamemanj> . o O ( KSP would make a good pseudo-random number generator )
16:58:50 <\oren\> oerjan: specifically, I had a SSTO that was 48.42 tons in orbit, and had 3874 fuel to use, with its nuclear engines
16:59:41 <\oren\> basically that command is just an implementation of Tsiolkovsky's rocket equation
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17:02:50 <gamemanj> "Operating Kerbals Are Yummy?"
17:03:51 <oerjan> . o O ( one day i'll kick gamemanj in all caps. he'll never understand what happened. )
17:06:00 <gamemanj> "Karmic Integrators Concerning Kodak's Systems"?
17:07:20 * gamemanj lightly TAPS oerjan on the head with a piece of cardboard.
17:08:09 <gamemanj> The only reason I was de-mystifying OKAY was because it didn't seem like you were annoyed, but you were using caps.
17:08:32 <gamemanj> See, this is the kind of ambiguity I'm talking about...
17:08:47 <oerjan> i don't see what OKAY has to do with annoyance.
17:09:32 <gamemanj> like, if I were to go on a long-ish lecture about ambiguity, and how it is a rather painful thing in the English language,
17:09:54 <gamemanj> and how, for example, it would be great if someone were to somehow remove the ambiguity in the English language while still keeping it English,
17:10:20 <gamemanj> or at least relatively so, then for example you could shout OKAY while I am busy typing this rant, however, you may not,
17:12:03 <gamemanj> I was going to keep going until oerjan got annoyed and performed a perfect demonstration, but that works too.
17:12:18 <oerjan> i think you fail to get that i use capitals for sarcasm hth
17:12:35 <\oren\> that is one of like 10 words I know in french
17:12:53 <oerjan> \oren\: i think you need an apostrophe hth
17:13:12 <gamemanj> It looks kind of apostrophe-needed-y.
17:15:57 <\oren\> Ooh, there should be a command like metar but gives the weather in emoji
17:17:47 <lambdabot> 3NvA 021550z 31003x7 9999 phe\/\/026T(u scT050 8kn070 14/08 Q1008 n05i9 Rmk wInD 670ph7 vR801Kt
17:18:05 <oerjan> not aware of an emoji plugin, alas
17:33:49 <oerjan> @tell jafet <Jafet> (er, pizza and chili) <-- chilli seems to be an acceptable spelling hth
17:38:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:184.108.40.206]] with an expiry time of 1 year (anonymous users only, account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
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18:22:17 <int-e> inetnum: 220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168
18:22:17 <int-e> netname: KYIVSTAR-NET-9
18:22:17 <int-e> descr: Kyivstar GSM
18:22:17 <int-e> descr: Ukrainian mobile phone operator
18:22:47 <oerjan> i don't do range block until i see at least two ips from there...
18:23:07 <oerjan> also, the block log doesn't seem to allow searching for ranges :(
18:23:30 <oerjan> well, that range is probably too large, anyway.
18:23:34 <int-e> yeah I was just suggesting that I wouldn't be very optimistic about that particular block
18:24:12 <oerjan> int-e: today's girl genius is quite informative, especially to people with previous theories hth
18:25:47 <oerjan> i doubt i will be keeping up this reading through all the abuse filter log. the system needs some tweaking...
18:26:22 <oerjan> (of the kind only fizzie can do, i suspect)
18:27:09 <int-e> I'm just confused.
18:27:32 <int-e> I have enough trouble keeping up with GG's present... never mind the past.
18:28:30 <int-e> also, workshops next week, three talks, kind of occupying my brain
18:32:34 <oerjan> int-e: everything i've seen so far fits very well with higgs being the "seventh" http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120516
18:35:02 <oerjan> especially after agatha met jenka recently.
18:35:26 <int-e> the seventh, no, that didn't stick to my mind.
18:35:48 <int-e> is Krosp stuck in Mechanicsburg as well?
18:36:38 <oerjan> no, he's out leading bears
18:37:27 <oerjan> (jenka not only mentioning the "spymaster", but also proving that jägers don't have to look like jägers)
18:42:27 <oerjan> . o O ( funny how i can remember things like this and yet forget stupid things like to brush my teeth... )
18:43:22 <oerjan> . o O ( hm which i indeed haven't done yet... )
18:45:19 <gamemanj> oerjan: Short term, long term.
18:57:50 <gamemanj> either that or Actively Learning Artificial System
18:58:55 <int-e> http://www.surlyqueen.net/loas/2016/09/01/714-chef/ ... so awful puns ... cannot look away!
19:02:08 <int-e> schlockmercenary is heading seems to aim for some spectacular fireworks on Sunday (again)
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19:17:16 <APNG> gamemanj, hey wanna see my bad code?
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19:39:13 <hppavilion> Four people in the Minnesota have been found guilty of conspiring to travel to the Middle East and support ISIS
19:39:42 <hppavilion> They're considering whether they can put them in programs to "deradicalize" them
19:40:47 <APNG> yay conversion therapy ಠ_ಠ
19:41:47 <APNG> in other news, `cargo install prexcl` to install a silly IR/IL thingy https://crates.io/crates/prexcl/
19:42:08 <APNG> it's very badly written https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/commits/0719a787a321f503fb0f93c85ba9d2ae33a4d2b2?at=master
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21:21:26 <hppavilion> I seem to remember reading about a cellular automaton that models how neighborhoods tend towards homogeneous race, even in a racism-free society
21:24:45 <hppavilion> Something about how, even if you don't really care about race, if you're black and all of your neighbors are white or if you're white and all of your neighbors are black, you'll feel a bit out of place and be more likely to move away to a neighborhood with more people of the same race
21:25:16 <hppavilion> And how that statistically results in self-segregated neighborhoods
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22:03:08 <hppavilion> It could be used to solve NP problems in polynomial time
22:04:03 <hppavilion> Basically, "receive answer from future. Check answer. If correct, send to past at end of 5 minutes. If incorrect, send different answer (Successor of the answer, perhaps)
22:04:34 <hppavilion> If stable time loops are possible (and self-contradicting time loops are impossible), then this guarantees that you will always receive the correct answer in polynomial time
22:05:18 <myname> hppavilion: have a look at p/poly
22:05:32 <myname> that's basically what you described
22:05:44 <hppavilion> (Really, any problem that can be checked in O(k) can be solved in O(k) using a stable time loop; in fact, I think that you receive the answer in O(1) time, but you still have to check)
22:05:48 <myname> without time constraints, though
22:06:07 <myname> also, the esolang twoducks is related
22:06:16 <myname> it can even solve the halting problem
22:07:11 <hppavilion> Quantum Computers don't store quantumly on disk, do they?
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23:18:53 <\oren\> Jeremy Corbyn claims that having beers after work is sexist. How about beers DURING work?
23:20:31 <boily> he\\oren\. I had a beer during work today. it wasn't sexist.
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23:39:03 <oerjan> bohily. you're lucky to live in a country/province where that's acceptable, i suspect.
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23:40:16 <oerjan> i don't think there are many places in norway where it is. or sweden. stereotypically, denmark is different.
23:40:36 <boily> every Friday a pair of volunteers go to the dépanneur and grab two 12-packs. at 4:00pm, we drink a beer. very important tradition.
23:41:46 <oerjan> arabic? (but wouldn't that be salaam ...)
23:42:25 <oerjan> some other semitic or... hm, somali?
23:47:27 <boily> it's the squished version of "me ma wo adwoerjan" hth.
23:48:48 <oerjan> well that looks mostly monosyllabic. chinese?
23:49:06 <oerjan> except adwo doesn't work.
23:49:29 <boily> far from any variation on Chinese.
23:49:45 <boily> Somali wasn't too too far.
23:50:43 <oerjan> ethiopian (wait, is that even a language name)
23:51:07 * oerjan may be over his head today
23:51:35 <boily> it's a group → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Semitic_languages
23:51:59 <boily> think African west coast.
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23:52:55 <oerjan> ghanese, is that something?
23:53:51 <oerjan> hm what's that thing youssoun dor [sp] sings...
23:54:16 <boily> Ghana is where it's spoken.
23:54:23 <oerjan> my memory won't even remember that...
23:54:31 <hppavilion> While I am a fan of (or at least ambivalent to) emoji, they are not meant to be used as words, they are meant to be used to convey emotions (and, to a lesser extent, high-level ideas)
23:55:01 <hppavilion> Don't write "I'm too [scared emoji] to go in there"
23:55:03 <oerjan> . o O ( /cs quiet hppavilion )
23:55:13 <hppavilion> Write "I'm too scared to go in there [scared emoji]"
23:55:57 <oerjan> boily: i cannot remember... oh wait, wolof it was
23:56:12 <oerjan> if that's not it, then i'm out of names i think
23:56:50 <boily> it's shorter than wolof, but it has a "w".
23:56:57 <HackEgo> U+1F335 CACTUS \ UTF-8: f0 9f 8c b5 UTF-16BE: d83cdf35 Decimal: 🌵 \ 🌵 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
23:57:29 <oerjan> wadi, or is that just an arabic word...
23:57:38 <oerjan> (which popped up for some reason)
23:57:41 <hppavilion> . o O ( If there were (ocean (or space)) pirates today, what would their slang be like? )
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23:57:56 <oerjan> hppavilion: somali hth
23:58:03 <boily> wadi is Arabic for "river" hth.
23:58:10 <boily> oerjan: do you want the solution?
23:58:32 <hppavilion> (I've heard it said that "Internet pirates don't have ships". I happen to know someone who frequently pirates movies and owns a boat.)
23:59:33 <oerjan> boily: well the only other options are cheating or making up words, so...