00:00:11 <oerjan> hppavilion: but does he pirate movies from his boat
00:00:33 <oerjan> boily: (that means yes)
00:00:37 <hppavilion> oerjan: Not usually, no, but he would if he had WiFi on it
00:01:09 <oerjan> hppavilion: today's linguistic porthello hth
00:02:08 <oerjan> scott aaronson finally posting again
00:02:26 <boily> apparently it has the [ɥ] phoneme. it's a good phoneme.
00:02:30 <hppavilion> . o O ( Are there any bots here that could be made to play the "Who/what am I?" game? )
00:02:34 <boily> who's scott aaronson?
00:02:41 <boily> hppavilion: there are.
00:02:51 <fungot> hppavilion: i printed and bound a copy of a networking book for fnord..
00:03:42 <oerjan> boily: mathematician doing things like studying quantum computation and blogging http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/
00:03:54 <boily> hppavilion: can't remember, but there are 20-questions-like bots out there.
00:04:13 <boily> hppavilion: e.g. https://github.com/rawsonj/triviabot
00:04:42 <boily> fungot: do you have non-trivial zeroes?
00:04:42 <fungot> boily: there might be small differences in " alla ska tala bra svenska", as i write the gui using qt and do the longjmp atomically. if you
00:05:30 <oerjan> hppavilion: i recall old #initgame at EFNet had such a game, although it didn't use a bot.
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00:05:41 <oerjan> not sure if it still exists
00:05:50 <oerjan> (that was back in 1990s)
00:07:57 <oerjan> fungot: din svenska er riktigt bra tdh
00:07:57 <fungot> oerjan: you always want to declare the equivalent of /dev/ hda is a different bot.
00:08:09 <oerjan> better than mine, anyway
00:08:46 <oerjan> hm it must have been before 1996
00:08:47 <boily> fungot: c'est quoi un "alla ska tala bra svenska"? ça sonne louche.
00:08:47 <fungot> boily: firebird has an extension to the reals must be isomorphic to peano numbers. to represent inexacts.
00:09:15 <shachaf> that's what i get for looking at a line of irc without looking at who wrote it
00:10:26 <shachaf> oerjan: i tried to make sense of fungotese tdnh
00:10:26 <fungot> shachaf: see cluelessness in a lesser state:
00:11:45 <hppavilion> "Hitler often doubted whether Czechs were Aryan or not" -- Wikipedia
00:12:04 <hppavilion> "The question of whether Italians were Aryan enough was questioned by the Nazi racial theorists."
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00:58:42 <Zarutian> I take as granted that people here have seen SmallTalk80|Squeak blocks, yes?
00:59:55 <zzo38> http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/dissertation/html/wheeler-trusting-trust-ddc.html I look at this a bit (haven't read it entirely, yet), and actually even before looking at that document and hearing/reading the issues involved, I have thought of other ways. Such as, write a BASIC interpreter in C and a C compiler in BASIC; and possibly, make a program that does not actually produce an executable but instead something else such as writing the
01:00:46 <Zarutian> zzo38: your message got cut off at: else such as writing the
01:01:12 <zzo38> nstead something else such as writing the file out backwards
01:02:47 <oerjan> Zarutian: at least ais523 must, since Feather is supposed to be based on smalltalk
01:03:29 <Zarutian> zzo38: well another way is to do an Initial Program Load by hand and load in a Forth. Then use that to load a small C compiler written in Forth. Then use that C compiler to compile a bigger one.
01:04:24 <Zarutian> oerjan: I took me a while to notice that there were no control flow statements in that Smalltalk at all.
01:04:31 <HackEgo> alpha//Alpha is the numeric measurement of opaqueness, a dog with unusually high voice in the Disney-Pixar Up film, and a NATO phonetic alphabet letteral.
01:04:33 <HackEgo> tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater.
01:04:33 <HackEgo> studie//Studies show lots of things. Nobody reads them, though. Also: this study contradicts this other study.
01:04:33 <HackEgo> drone//drones are tools used to perform certain criminal actions that were not possible in ancient times.
01:04:34 <HackEgo> at//At is a daemon for procrastinating commands.
01:04:58 <prooftechnique> I'm almost certain that a tadpole is just a shorter pole
01:05:19 <zzo38> Zarutian: Yes, there is another, like that.
01:06:13 <oerjan> prooftechnique: i don't understand the question hth
01:06:57 <zzo38> They mention hardware stuff too in that document. I have actually thought of such things before, and try to think of if there are ways that compatible computer systems can be built out of parts by throwing dice to decide how to do it, somehow.
01:06:58 <oerjan> `slwd tadpole//s/.$/, and also a tad shorter./
01:06:59 <HackEgo> wisdom/tadpole//A tadpole is like a flagpole, but underwater, and also a tad shorter.
01:07:30 <prooftechnique> oerjan: Kiflom is a greeting and general exclamation used by fictional cultists in Grand Theft Auto. I was curious if your response to "good afternoerjan" was a reference to that. It seems that it wasn't, so now I'm left curious about it.
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01:07:57 <oerjan> prooftechnique: i was just doing some obvious mangling of shachaf and shalom hth
01:07:59 <zzo38> With FPGAs, there is IceStorm for one thing, at least.
01:09:15 <Zarutian> re the smalltalk blocks: structurally it is basically an sequence of invocations plus the arg vars defined between ||'s at the start of the block
01:10:09 <Zarutian> (smalltalk blocks looked like [ | varA breyta2 | ble doIt: varA ; ble doIt: breyta2 ] )
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01:14:03 <Zarutian> zzo38: the real question is, how did the compiler sabetour get access to the compiler binary?
01:14:37 <Zarutian> (on the machine where it is used and not necsirarly where it was produced)
01:15:20 <zzo38> O, yes, there is that too
01:21:39 <Zarutian> access control in computers (where the subjects are processes and the objects are various stuff that needs to be accessible to some but perhaps not all subjects) is something I have looked into rather extensively
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01:27:19 <quintopia> smalltalk is great. i dont know why it never really caught on
01:28:02 <quintopia> imagine a world where a type of smalltalk was used everywhere java is now
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01:35:20 <hppavilion> Does the singer receive- in total- 1 partridge in a pear tree, two turtle doves, three french hens, 4 calling birsd, 5 golden rings, 6 geese a-laying, 7 swans a-swimming, 8 maids a-milking, 9 ladies dancing, 10 lords a-leaping, 11 pipers piping, and 12 drummers drumming
01:38:51 <oerjan> hppavilion: 12 partridges, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golden rings, 42 geese, 42 swans, 40 maids, 36 ladies... wait, isn't that the wrong order
01:39:44 <shachaf> oerjan: something seems wrong there hth
01:40:07 <oerjan> shachaf: i've been mixing up the last four :(
01:40:38 <hppavilion> Or 12 partridges in 12 pear trees, 22 turtle doves, 30 french hens, 36 calling birds, 40 golen rings, 42(!!!) swans a-swimming, 40 maids a-milking, 36 ladies dancing, 30 lords a-leaping, 22 pipers piping, 12 drummers drumming?
01:40:41 <shachaf> did you see https://twitter.com/luqui/status/770725569151447041
01:40:50 <hppavilion> (Yes, oerjan beat me, but I wasn't going to give up on my typing
01:41:14 <oerjan> hppavilion: you also forgot the geese hth
01:41:37 <shachaf> oerjan: fortunately you're a geeser
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01:42:00 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant ‘!!’ (imported from Data.List)
01:42:07 <shachaf> maybe i shouldn't make fun of oerjan's age
01:42:36 <oerjan> it's illogical since i'm not 42 anymore hth
01:44:36 <hppavilion> Totals at 376 (364 if you consider "partridge in a pear tree" to be a single gift, but it's clearly two separate gifts)
01:44:56 <shachaf> a partridge in a pear tree is one gift
01:45:01 <hppavilion> Is there any mathematical significance to 364(+1=365)?
01:45:17 <hppavilion> No, it's two- the partridge and pear tree are two separate items, they're just bundled into one
01:45:31 <oerjan> just be glad the pears are not in season or you'd have to count them hth
01:45:32 <hppavilion> (Is this going to be one of those things that can trigger flame wars like "couple" or "."?
01:45:40 <shachaf> > sum [i*(12-i) | i <- [1..12]]
01:45:57 <shachaf> > sum [i*(13-i) | i <- [1..12]]
01:46:07 <shachaf> spot of the convolution, governor?
01:46:07 <deltab> how are they separate if they're bundled?
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01:46:32 <hppavilion> deltab: They come together, but you could regift the Partridge and Pear Tree to different people
01:46:34 <oerjan> it's certainly convoluted.
01:48:52 <hppavilion> ...huh, the "5 gold rings" might actually be a type of bird (a "ring-necked pheasant")
01:49:50 <hppavilion> They have been gearing up for war with Turkey for the last 8 months
01:50:41 <moonythedwarf> i wonder how useful a pair of 10D scissors would be
01:51:01 <hppavilion> moonythedwarf: There are different types of scissors!?
01:51:47 <moonythedwarf> you know, *holds up a 4 dimensional pair, and snips hppavilion's day in half with it*, like those
01:54:39 <hppavilion> I was suggested "bleeding on the 18th day of menstrual cycle"
01:54:48 <hppavilion> Please see a doctor if you ever consider googling that.
01:54:50 <zzo38> It is not supposed to be "4 calling birds", it is supposed to be "colly birds" (black), and there is twelve lords leaping, and the rings are actual rings and not birds.
01:56:13 <oerjan> zzo38: oh you've also heard the lords last?
01:56:24 <oerjan> hm i guess it's just one of the variations, then.
01:56:26 <zzo38> Yes, it is supposed to be twelve
01:57:12 <hppavilion> oerjan: Yeah, the last four can be rearranged however you wnat
01:57:47 <hppavilion> Ooh, 12 = "bells a-ringing" 11 = "ladies spinning" is a nice combo
01:58:20 <zzo38> Twelve lords is the proper way. Ten lords is a very common varation.
01:58:22 <APNG> making an esolang is impossible when you can't get any feedback >.>
02:00:09 <zzo38> Well, they are wrong; it is supposed to be twelve.
02:00:47 <oerjan> APNG: people have seen so many lousy esolangs that you have to explain why your language is more interesting than average before they bother to look hth
02:01:23 <APNG> oerjan, its goal is to become an IR or IL for my 'real' language
02:01:24 * oerjan isn't looking too often these days, either.
02:02:32 <APNG> I only call it an esolang because it's not meant to be used directly
02:03:22 <APNG> even I don't know how to use it, personally .-.
02:03:31 <APNG> altho it's in a really unfinished state I guess...
02:05:16 <APNG> https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl
02:05:23 <APNG> "Prexcl is an esoteric proof-of-concept programming language. It's being used to test some concepts for Voxcl."
02:06:31 <APNG> it's line-based too so that makes it a pain to REPL :/
02:07:00 <APNG> (would love to REPL it)
02:08:36 <zzo38> Voxcl is what anyways?
02:09:13 <hppavilion> "On the 47th day of Christmas stderr gave to me: G"
02:12:01 <hppavilion> "On the 404th day of christmas my browser gave to me: ε"
02:12:33 <shachaf> zzo38: Who decides what's the proper way and what's a variation?
02:12:46 <oerjan> zzo38: you seem to be arguing for wikipedia's 1780 version; note that it did not have the modern melody.
02:13:30 <oerjan> the first instance of the modern melody had lords 10th.
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02:19:23 <\oren\> hppavilion: a wedding ring obviously
02:19:45 <hppavilion> \oren\: No, a wedding ring is the level up from a purity ring
02:19:54 <APNG> zzo38, the other language I'm making, for use by humans
02:19:55 <hppavilion> Purity ring is "promising to remain abstinent until marriage"
02:19:59 <APNG> general-purpose-ish
02:20:06 <APNG> mostly oriented towards autistic ppl
02:20:14 <APNG> (such as myself)
02:20:36 <oerjan> there are programming languages _not_ oriented toward autistic people?
02:21:18 <APNG> the C preprocessor
02:22:03 <APNG> hppavilion, huh?
02:22:17 <APNG> so it's not this you wanna know about? http://jhnet.co.uk/articles/cpp_magic
02:22:54 <hppavilion> (And let's be honest, I'll probably be spectrum again in the DSM VI because someone's probably going to protest the change)
02:23:04 <APNG> hppavilion, what change?
02:23:25 <hppavilion> APNG: The DSM-V reclassified Asperger's as not autism
02:24:11 <APNG> uh, last I checked the DSM-V removed asperger's diagnosis and made autism include what was previously asperger's
02:25:19 <APNG> hppavilion, so uh random question do you stim often?
02:26:39 <APNG> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming
02:27:17 <APNG> I love sound stims btw
02:27:32 <hppavilion> Knuckle cracking may count; I do it pretty much obsessively (often only a few minutes after I've already done it, thus meaning there's no result)
02:28:16 <oerjan> . o O ( hm is that why i keep chewing my tongue )
02:28:49 <APNG> hppavilion, lojban?
02:28:59 <APNG> hppavilion, uh, well
02:29:05 <APNG> I'm not sure if you can call voxcl a "language"
02:29:10 <hppavilion> APNG: It's a spoken language designed to be 100% unambiguous
02:30:56 <APNG> hppavilion, yes, for use by humans
02:31:15 <APNG> it's similar to piet
02:31:18 <APNG> but user friendly
02:32:40 <APNG> (voxcl is, at least... prexcl is uh... definitely not...)
02:33:06 <APNG> (at least not in its current form)
02:33:13 <hppavilion> "The first rule of time travel is that any and all modifications made to the timeline result in Hitler winning World War II. Run over a hippy in 1968? Hitler wins."
02:41:06 <APNG> hppavilion, I'll need testers for it too :P
02:41:25 <APNG> but if I get prexcl functional enough, it'll be much easier to develop voxcl
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03:02:08 <lambdabot> (-1.8842672676782886) :+ (-2.5137902189812014)
03:04:41 <moonythedwarf> looks like my bot at least knows better formatting :P
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03:43:17 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 17.65 832 nuke
03:43:17 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 2109.44126407687
03:50:53 <hppavilion> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_budget_film is one thing
03:55:26 <\oren\> hppavilion: that would I guess be a film where people are actively taking money from you because you're making it
03:56:01 <hppavilion> Though you could also make profit via negative remuneration
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04:08:06 <shachaf> \oren\: a budget is how much you spend, not how much people give you, i think
04:08:26 <shachaf> so it's a movie where people give you money to make it. seems reasonable.
04:10:39 <hppavilion> How does one indicate that an equation is to be yelled?
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04:14:58 <zzo38> By specifying "yell" on it. How this is done it depend on the context
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04:29:28 <shachaf> whoa whoa whoa, FireFly is freenode/staff?
04:30:52 <FireFly> Only since fairly recently, though
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04:33:18 <FireFly> Yes, but deceivingly using f as the separator
04:33:23 <shachaf> i guess freenode decided to HireFly
04:35:27 <shachaf> i'm guessing they're not paying you, though
04:37:53 <shachaf> zzo38: Would "Bands with Other Bandits" be a good ability?
04:38:30 <FireFly> yeah, it's just volunteer stuff I guess
04:38:36 <shachaf> i would HireFly at that price
04:39:53 <FireFly> bit of everything, though most of it is "support"-style stuff
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04:48:00 <HackEgo> FireFly was a short-running but well-loved sci-fi TV series released in 2003, starring Nathan Fillion and directed and written by Joss Whedon.
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05:06:52 <oerjan> . o O ( this is a fiendish plot to avoid my swattings )
05:07:43 <oerjan> shachaf: getting staffed hth
05:08:03 <shachaf> Wait, getting staffed lets you avoid swatting?
05:08:20 <shachaf> Hmm, FireFly is an op in here now.
05:10:51 <shachaf> 5 freenode-staff +AFRefiorstv [modified 4y 11w 2d ago]
05:11:30 <oerjan> does that really work?
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05:11:40 <shachaf> If not, why is it in there?
05:11:46 <oerjan> well it's not his account name is it
05:12:13 <shachaf> Oh, I figured it was special somehow.
05:12:14 <oerjan> shachaf: because of freenode's policy of putting lapsed founderships there
05:12:24 <oerjan> it's been there for a long time
05:12:37 <oerjan> since andreou got deregistered, maybe
05:14:59 <oerjan> of course, i don't know what powers arbitrary staff has
05:15:22 <oerjan> perhaps he can just tell chanserv to op him anywhere
05:16:01 <shachaf> Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list.
05:16:28 <oerjan> i'm skeptical that it matters.
05:16:46 <shachaf> maybe you should swat him and see what happens hth
05:16:59 <shachaf> what do you think about fft
05:17:22 <oerjan> it's fast, it's furry, it's transformational.
05:17:59 <shachaf> I went to conal's talk about it the other day: http://conal.net/talks/generic-fft.pdf
05:18:37 <shachaf> But maybe I don't fully understand it.
05:19:04 * oerjan doesn't really know what the trick is, he just knows fourier transforms in general. and has forgotten most of the proof details.
05:19:14 <shachaf> What do you do if you want to do FFT of a prime size?
05:20:00 <oerjan> fourier transforms work in any locally compact abelian group.
05:20:25 <shachaf> oerjan: The trick seems to be that if you do an FFT of size N*M, you can do a nested FFT of size M and N.
05:20:32 <shachaf> But a bunch of things cancel out so you can do less work.
05:21:03 <oerjan> well that's just taking product of groups
05:21:18 <oerjan> assuming M and N are relatively prime
05:21:46 <shachaf> Though there's a special version that uses relatively prime M and N.
05:21:58 <shachaf> But often people use a power of 2, and one of M or N is 2.
05:23:33 <zzo38> shachaf: There is no "Bandit" subtype I think?
05:23:42 <shachaf> zzo38: That's true, but there is a Bandit card.
05:23:47 <shachaf> So they could probably add the subtype.
05:23:56 <zzo38> If such a subtype is added, then, possibly (if the card to surround might help)
05:24:12 <shachaf> Or they could add a Bandit supertype.
05:24:52 <zzo38> Neither seems needed to me actually
05:25:06 <shachaf> I guess they could just add a Bandit type, in that case.
05:25:19 <zzo38> That also doesn't seem right
05:25:30 <zzo38> Subtype would be best if they were to add it at all.
05:28:20 <zzo38> Other kind of idea can be "bands with other creatures with bands with other"
05:40:45 <zzo38> Another thing to write might be "Whenever an object is countered, put a +1/+1 counter on ~."
05:55:31 <zzo38> Please review this code tell me if you see anything wrong or whatever else http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/artifact/890c961cedf74de7
05:56:02 <zzo38> For plain text download is http://zzo38computer.org/fossil/tavern.ui/raw/tavernc-parser.c?name=890c961cedf74de7997707e7899fe6d3eb5cc5c5
06:06:16 <zzo38> It is better than Git
06:27:24 <zzo38> The program is a single file and the commands are simpler too, and it work better for "cathedral" style project, and it is just better the way I work
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06:42:10 <zzo38> Also, it can use SQL for ticket queries.
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06:49:32 <zzo38> I did find a list of what disadvantages people mentioned about Fossil, but it is from six years ago, some of the things mentioned there are no longer true, and some are actually advantages to me. Specifically, the ticketing system using SQL is good, and lacking a rich text editor is also good. "The lack of deleting anything" and "No versioning of Fossil itself" are mentioned, but are no longer true.
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07:51:22 <izabera> i downloaded a movie and the video quality is perfect and the audio is fine too, but the audio track is slightly slower than the video
07:51:48 <izabera> like, after 1 hour or so the audio comes 2s sooner than it should
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09:28:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49681&oldid=49678 * Qwerp-Derp * (+233)
09:29:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Logicode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49682 * Qwerp-Derp * (+2924) Added Logicode page
09:29:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49683&oldid=49649 * Qwerp-Derp * (+15) Added Logicode.
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11:52:02 <FireFly> <shachaf> Maybe he can do that but he isn't supposed to unless a channel has freenode-staff in the op list ← freenode-staff is on the ACL because it's the dummy account used for 'successor' for single-# (on-topic) channels
11:52:36 <shachaf> Maybe you need to shut this channel down now?
11:52:50 <FireFly> though incidentally there *is* an ACL entry that is supposed to indicate "it's fine if staff helps us deal with spam", but it's *@freenode/staff/*
11:53:06 <shachaf> Ah, that must be what I was thinking of.
11:53:13 <FireFly> shachaf: not really, and I'm sure it's plenty official as a channel for esoteric.org
11:53:15 <shachaf> I've seen channels that did that.
11:53:26 <FireFly> I mean, official enough, that is
11:53:30 <shachaf> http://esoteric.org/ looks very official
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13:42:42 <int-e> so how did #esoteric survive anyway?
13:45:29 <int-e> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Community_portal hmm, #esocrypt... not even the founder is there anymore.
14:10:11 <izabera> is there a unicode character that's 2 columns wide and it looks like a circle?
14:11:09 <izabera> i tried with () but it doesn't really look like a circle and it's hollow
14:13:43 <izabera> my font doesn't have it :(
14:14:24 <FireFly> You could also use a fullwidth O if you don't mind being very semantically incorrect
14:45:52 <HackEgo> [U+3020 POSTAL MARK FACE]
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17:06:48 <\oren\> izabera: you're thinking of 〇
17:07:51 <izabera> i wanted to make a ncurses goban but it's clearly impossible with custom fonts
17:09:36 <\oren\> there are lots of characters that are circles with somehting inside
17:10:30 <\oren\> as well as ones for every jamo
17:16:29 <FireFly> izabera: apparently you're supposed to use ⚆ ⚇ ⚈ ⚉ http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf
17:16:54 <FireFly> http://xen.firefly.nu/up/2016-09-03_181646.png
17:30:51 <izabera> i have no idea what "go markers" are
17:32:31 <izabera> FireFly: i thought you played go?
17:33:53 <FireFly> izabera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_(game)#Notation_and_recording_games based on this it seems it's used for kifus or something
17:34:05 <FireFly> But I dunno what the dots are supposed to be for
17:34:57 <izabera> o.o kifus don't have stones
17:35:02 <izabera> they only have move numbers
17:35:37 <izabera> http://www.asahi.com/igo/photogallery/image/TKY200609210129.jpg
17:43:21 <int-e> is that a sealed move?
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18:11:53 <fizzie> izabera: FireFly: There's a thread on the Unicode mailing list about that: http://unicode.org/pipermail/unicode/2016-March/003412.html
18:14:05 <fizzie> There's a few pointers to examples of use, e.g. http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/kim.pdf (diagram in chapter 4)
18:16:17 <fizzie> Though the actual answer seems to be that they just got dragged along by something called the "STIX (font) project", the records of which don't happen to mention where they came from.
18:16:53 <fizzie> Or something like that, anyway.
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18:52:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ps4star * New user account
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19:17:50 <APNG> hey look https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/src/1cbfca8c3a31/if.prexcl?at=master
19:17:55 <APNG> I haz conditionals
19:39:11 <int-e> I'm provisionally appalled.
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20:45:26 <moonythedwarf_> In you all's opinion, whats the optimal precision a calculator should have (in digits)
20:46:48 <moonythedwarf_> even for one that does algebra and allows function definitions?
20:47:29 <int-e> in that case what do you need numbers for?
20:47:54 <int-e> but basically I don't think that there is any such optimum
20:48:13 <moonythedwarf_> so this: [02:27.19] <moonythedwarf_> ~>solve math.js 3600/60/60 # Accuracy check
20:48:13 <moonythedwarf_> [02:28.14] <moonythedwarf_> ~>solve math.js sin(3600)/60/60 # Accuracy check
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21:16:27 <fizzie> Hm. When I press tab in python-mode, the status line just says "Wrong type argument: number-or-marker-p, nil", and doesn't indent anything. That's not optimal.
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23:24:46 <oerjan> @tell ais523 i notice that two more users have managed to perform the procedure, but am disturbed that one of them failed to resubmit the page creation that required it.
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23:26:33 <oerjan> @tell fizzie i notice that two more users have managed to perform the new procedure today, but am disturbed that one of them failed to resubmit the page creation that required it. there _really_ needs to be some adjustment and i don't think it can be done purely through the filters.
23:29:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Simplified Circuit Diagram]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49684 * Oerjan * (+2857) Page creation by [[User:Ps4star]] that was caught in the spam filter. Our new procedure really needs some adjustment...
23:38:54 <FireFly> The only solution is to teach the spam filter to identify text about computer science-related topics
23:39:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Ps4star]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49685 * Oerjan * (+300) Created your page for you
23:40:46 <oerjan> FireFly: i don't think our wiki really works that way. Of course if we could at least use one of the more well-used filtering solutions...
23:41:37 <FireFly> It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek
23:41:55 <FireFly> Just throw machine learning at it; that'll solve everything!
23:41:57 <oerjan> i had sort of half-retired from wiki work but now i feel almost like i'm the only active admin...
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23:42:16 <oerjan> then it'll shut out the rest of us and take over the world
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23:54:42 <fizzie> What sort of thing would you want to have?
23:54:58 <oerjan> well i'm not sure what really exists
23:55:24 <oerjan> but something that was good enough that we could open up the wiki for anonymous edits again would be ideal.
23:57:03 <fizzie> There's at least one daily-updating IP block list that I've seen recommended, at http://www.stopforumspam.com/downloads/
23:58:46 <shachaf> pikhq: So you're not going to the bay area #esoteric meeting in October?
23:58:48 <oerjan> also the idea of having some kind of emergency shutdown for when the spammers get through nevertheless seemed to have stalled after the new (brutal) filter got added.
23:59:51 <oerjan> . o O ( there'll be just shachaf and an irc terminal )
23:59:59 <shachaf> Well, fizzie will be here.