00:00:08 <pikhq> The Bay Area is expensive as shit when most possible employers see lack of degree and stop talking to you.
00:00:22 <shachaf> pikhq: Is that actually true?
00:00:32 <pikhq> That at least *appears* to be the case.
00:00:35 <shachaf> Even with Google experience?
00:01:03 <pikhq> I can't say for sure because I don't know for sure why I've had so much trouble, but that's what I'm inferring.
00:01:16 <shachaf> What approach have you been using?
00:01:32 <oerjan> fizzie: maybe try that list, and we can see how much it helps.
00:02:13 <pikhq> Finding people, sending resumes, along with talking to recruiters, etc. Mostly I've been getting interviews that seem to go well and then get turned down.
00:02:51 <pikhq> Often shortly after they ask about details of my college education.
00:03:40 <pikhq> I mean, granted I don't know for sure that's what's doing it, but... it sure seems to be the case.
00:05:48 <fizzie> oerjan: I will try to see if there's a reasonably low-effort way to do it with the setup we have. As for the emergency shutdown, I'm not sure how to implement that. I know there's a bunch of relatively stable and well-supported/updated access control style extensions that could maybe be retrofitted to do it.
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00:10:36 <pikhq> But, yeah. Regardless, not too bad a time for me to finish up my degree.
00:14:11 <oerjan> @tell ais523 oh wait, Ps4Star didn't actually introduce emself. hm...
00:15:15 <fizzie> I saw their account creation, and went to have a look at the abusefilter log, but it hadn't triggered yet at that time.
00:15:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User talk:Ps4star]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49686&oldid=49685 * Oerjan * (+77) Oops I misread what happened a bit.
00:23:36 <shachaf> got any good puns for me today?
00:24:59 <oerjan> surprisingly, i'm out.
00:25:29 <shachaf> ...I was hoping that would be followed by "quit: oerjan"
00:27:23 <shachaf> That would have been a good pun.
00:27:29 <shachaf> I didn't actually want you to quit.
00:28:16 <shachaf> What's a good way to render directed graphs semi-interactively?
00:28:39 <shachaf> I want to render sorting algorithms as discussed in this channel a few days ago.
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01:24:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Fizzie]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49687&oldid=48912 * Fizzie * (+0) Post-upgrade edit test for 1.27.1.
01:25:11 <fizzie> That doesn't help at all with the spam, but was all I could manage to actually get done.
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01:37:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/abusefilter]] modify * Ais523 * modified [[Special:AbuseFilter/9]] ([[Special:AbuseFilter/history/9/diff/prev/54]])
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02:16:32 <oerjan> i suppose that change might help a little, although it won't help those people who get put off altogether.
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04:00:30 <hppavilion> . o O ( I wish I could put Python scripts on my router. Maybe I'll have to figure out a way to do that someday
04:14:37 <quintopia> did you read that book about the scottish cryptid hunters mauled by the asbestos-furred beast against which their fire defense was useless?
04:15:25 * oerjan starts realizing _what_ quintopia is helping with...
04:15:29 <quintopia> The Unlightable Bear-Being of Ness?
04:16:36 <quintopia> (i *think* spoonerisms count as puns still)
04:19:56 <oerjan> maybe. it's a bit of knife-edge.
04:20:24 <oerjan> why must muphry's law apply to puns
04:23:35 <quintopia> i really like that one tho. dunno if it would make any sense in norway tho
04:25:27 <oerjan> the book is called "Tilværelsens uutholdelige letthet" in norwegian. it might need a bit of rethinking...
04:27:22 <oerjan> the only animal in there is "vær" which means ram.
04:28:06 <quintopia> give up. even you cannot surmount it.
04:30:36 <oerjan> some linguistic porthellos, oren's irc script calculator...
04:32:59 <oerjan> (/ctcp \oren\ VERSION)
04:33:32 <oerjan> there were some other commands too, which i've forgotten.
04:33:55 <quintopia> sad i missed todays porthellos. what were they?
04:34:18 <oerjan> i was assuming you'd been gone for a while.
04:34:29 <oerjan> but boily hasn't been on yet.
04:35:07 <oerjan> yesterday though it was... maadwoerjan iirc
04:35:24 <oerjan> a language i'd never heard of.
04:35:39 <oerjan> hppavilion: not particularly.
04:36:16 <oerjan> but in our ever-ongoing quest to think of new ones, boily and i started looking up other languages
04:37:00 <oerjan> which we have to guess
04:52:05 <\oren\> I have too many spacecraft doing stuff at once
04:53:13 <oerjan> any space junk creating collisions
04:55:21 <\oren\> oerjan: no, but several things have mysteriously exploded
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04:56:31 <\oren\> no casualties so far, but there's like 13 tourists on various spacecraft so it's only a matter of time
04:57:30 <oerjan> 13 tourists is bad luck
05:02:20 <\oren\> yeah counted them. 13 tourists, on four different tour craft...
05:08:40 <\oren\> If I can land this craft successfully, there will only be nine
05:10:39 <oerjan> . o O ( And then there were nine )
05:11:32 <oerjan> \oren\: also if unsuccessfully hth
05:17:29 <hppavilion> \oren\: Bah! Everyone knows that if you HAVE to have 13 people in separate groups you should at least divide them evenly among the groups or the luck becomes 13x worse!
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05:32:25 <oerjan> a prime suggestion if i ever saw one.
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05:50:11 <zzo38> Can you explain this question? "If I have a Ouija board in my house, but I only use it at other properties, will my house still be whatever you people say it truly is?"
05:55:41 <oerjan> i think you should ask in the other kind of #esoteric hth
05:57:52 <oerjan> my hunch is, though, that it relates to some superstition about divination affecting houses where they are performed, but i have not heard that so i don't even know if it's supposed to be good or bad
05:58:20 <oerjan> and that might very well depend on who you ask. i'd expect christians to think it's bad and new agers to think it's good...
05:59:46 <oerjan> (the former because divination might be seen as magic or devil worship)
06:00:40 <oerjan> and the question presumably asks whether whatever the effect is happens even if the ouija board is only stored in the house.
06:03:08 <zzo38> (The question was posted on an article about a kind of ouija board in QWERTY order, and mentioning ideomotor effect, and that you might use a computer on-screen keyboard with hover mode. The people who wrote this article are not occult.)
06:04:12 <\oren\> Landing sucessful! nothing exploded
06:04:35 <oerjan> ic. i think the questioner may have been confused by the article and thought it _was_ about something occult, then.
06:07:33 <\oren\> we got almost a million funds from these tourists for bringing them home from the Mun safely
06:08:34 <oerjan> or perhaps there was a different comment that was, and which it was responding to.
06:09:07 <oerjan> \oren\: money from munatics
06:11:55 <\oren\> the great thing about his is that the vehicle was an SSTO and therefore we barely spent any money to get them ther and back
06:35:43 <zzo38> oerjan: That was the first comment.
06:36:34 <oerjan> zzo38: maybe it was to a deleted comment. (just theorizing here...)
06:40:50 <zzo38> I have not checked the history, but even so they could have deleted it from the history too.
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07:19:45 <hppavilion> Minsky once offered a prize to anyone who could stop the Loebner Prize competition
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07:33:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49688&oldid=49639 * Erikkonstas * (+13) HUGE FAULT!!
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07:49:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49689&oldid=49688 * Erikkonstas * (+197) faults
07:52:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[MiniStringFuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49690&oldid=49689 * Erikkonstas * (+91) /* Optimizer */
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07:58:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Logicode]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49691&oldid=49682 * Qwerp-Derp * (-2)
08:09:55 <izabera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LhWP_T0IA this is the most amazing sword swallowing acrobat i've seen in the past 10 minutes
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10:16:31 <\oren\> ❄dvcalc 39.65 1755 nuke
10:16:31 <\oren\> ☃ Δv = 1963.13131378555
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13:46:22 <APNG> when truth tables are built into your language https://bitbucket.org/SoniEx2/prexcl/src/2085607cd948/if.prexcl?at=master
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15:40:21 <Taneb> I made a maths joke, I'm afraid
15:40:32 <Taneb> What do you call a sporadic group which lives in the Republic of Ireland?
15:41:44 <FireFly> I probably don't know enough group theory to get this
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15:50:58 <int-e> I wonder how well known the provinces of Ireland are (I don't even recognize their names)
15:56:27 <alercah> Taneb: Dr. Stravinsky was a bit of an eccentric fellow, even for a pure mathematics professor.
15:57:02 <alercah> But he was nonetheless a good friend to have, because of his extensive personal library, full of rare and exotic mathematical texts.
15:57:46 <alercah> He was an expert curator, and his thousands of books were maintained in meticulous order; he was always able to find any book almost instantly.
15:59:08 <alercah> But the department chair had an issue with him: he hadn't fulfilled his mandatory service to the university in quite some time.
16:00:23 <alercah> Eventually, Dr. Stravinsky was called into the chair's office, and she said "You are required to put in service hours, so if you won't find something to do, I will. I've arranged for you to go down to the library and help them catalogue their books. This should be right up your alley."
16:00:45 <alercah> Realizing that his job was on the line, Dr. Stravinsky begrudgingly went over to the library to work.
16:00:51 <alercah> One week later, he was in the chair's office again.
16:00:54 <gamemanj> I'm guessing nobody in the library found any books.
16:01:52 <alercah> "The library tells me that you're useless sorting! How is it that you have a meticulously arranged personal library, yet when you go to the university library, you don't even seem to know where to start?"
16:02:06 <alercah> Dr. Stravinsky just replied, "I can only order well when given the choice!"
16:02:19 <izabera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanks'_square_forms_factorization in this algorithm, how do i choose k?
16:02:36 <Taneb> If I knew how to make a squinty face smiley I would
16:02:41 <Taneb> Also, good joke :D
16:03:52 <gamemanj> I don't get the joke, but TBH I'm still trying to resolve the ambiguity of the word "choice".
16:03:58 <gamemanj> It could be the choice (of how to sort the books)
16:04:07 <gamemanj> or the choice (to sort the books)
16:04:24 <Taneb> gamemanj, the latter, also the axiom
16:05:51 <int-e> izabera: "[...] a small multiplier k. [...] Otherwise try another value of k." ... sounds to me like you start from 1 and increment until you're successful or give up
16:06:34 <alercah> gamemanj: it doesn't really matter. the pun is on the axiom of choice
16:06:45 <alercah> and its equivalence with the well-ordering principle
16:07:15 <gamemanj> but you see, I'm not exactly a maths person
16:07:34 <gamemanj> I'm a "why on earth did Wikipedia write all these expressions in this weird notation, when it makes so much more sense in code form" person
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16:19:09 <int-e> izabera: I have no idea. How does this compare to Pollard's rho method? (which is exprected to take O(sqrt(p)) steps where p is the smallest prime factor of N, so O(N^(1/4)) as well)
16:19:44 <int-e> But I don't have time for this right now.
16:19:47 <izabera> people on mathoverflow say that squfof is faster up to 64 bit
16:20:13 <izabera> https://mathoverflow.net/questions/114018/fastest-way-to-factor-integers-260
16:20:20 <izabera> actually they said 60 bits
16:20:59 <int-e> but in that case I guess you simply never give up
16:21:30 <int-e> (you should do primality tests in advance, of course, to avoid factoring primes)
16:21:54 <izabera> deterministic miller rabin first, and then k from 1 to infinity and beyond
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16:47:05 <APic> http://mashable.com/2015/10/15/penis-emoji/#dSSp2lZKwmqi
17:03:50 <petsu> so like i just tore off my pinky toe toe nail
17:04:03 <petsu> anyone wa nt to see the pile of nails i've picked off
17:04:06 <petsu> thanks for listening
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19:28:32 <hppavilion> TIL the National Film Registry, America's DVD collection where we store all the good movies in case the world ends in fire so we'll have something to watch after Armageddon, includes Star Wars (now: Star Wars: A New Hope) and Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
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19:48:07 <FireFly> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_deposit#United_States "The Library of Congress does not retain all works." huh.
19:48:14 <zzo38> DVD won't help; you will need to store them in uncompressed unencrypted format, in case the document for DVD-video decoding is also destroyed by the fire.
19:49:41 <FireFly> We have two libraries that are required by law to keep copies of all documents sent as legal deposit
19:50:15 <FireFly> For preservation and whatnot
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20:13:31 <gamemanj> zzo38: but I don't understand the YUV spec!
20:14:26 <gamemanj> (/NTSC/PAL/Kentucky Signal Encoding/fbdev archival format/if you are still reading this, the last two entries are fake)
20:21:06 <zzo38> Then watch them in grayscale.
20:26:59 <gamemanj> zzo38: what about the CRT specifications?
20:28:59 <zzo38> I don't know; you can figure out what to do
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20:42:13 <gamemanj> So I've thought of a good toy for children... (the idea, of course, being that in an apocalypse, one might survive): The Electron Gun!
21:02:03 <izabera> is it made only out of electrons?
21:03:03 <gamemanj> But it fires electrons, with pinpoint accuracy! (Warning. Bringing an Electron Gun to a water gun fight may result in death.)
21:05:36 <izabera> how do you manage to target your opponent and bypass the air in between?
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21:05:56 <gamemanj> Just set the power level high enough, and destroy the air faster than it can refill the space.
21:06:09 <gamemanj> (Warning. This may not be scientifically accurate.)
21:06:53 <gamemanj> (Though, really, if people had to worry from eye cancer from being too close to CRTs, think about what a completely unguarded beam could do...)
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21:20:08 <FireFly> I read that as "made only out of elections" for some reason..
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21:35:14 <zzo38> Maybe you know some idea which can help I can make up some Magic: the Gathering cards and some sets and blocks (in some cases, existing blocks).
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21:35:48 <zzo38> I made up some cards but I would hope can make with collaboration.
21:45:41 <zzo38> We can also to make up the "esoteric programming block" of Magic: the Gathering cards.
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23:13:49 <zzo38> One card was "Human Supremacy Corporation", which is a black and white permanent card which damages non-Human creatures. How I had it before might not be as so good and I wanted to make a better card that does that; do you have idea?
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