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00:13:52 <pikhq> Bibimbap is pretty tasty.
00:14:27 <shachaf> @google bim bam bom hebrew
00:14:28 <lambdabot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lLGmRj3_MA
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00:26:58 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( What's the opposite of red tape?
00:27:10 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( +) )
00:35:57 <hppavilion[1]> I think the "Europe and Asia or Eurasia" debate should be settled by saying Eurasia is a continent, but having a separate term describing a cultural mass
00:36:28 <hppavilion[1]> (Europe is separate from Asia in this system, and so are the Middle East and India)
00:37:12 <shachaf> Asia is a continent, and Europe is a peninsula.
00:37:40 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Then where's the UK?
00:37:56 <shachaf> A kingdom.
00:38:19 <hppavilion[1]> Also, no it isn't, the called "Europe" is clearly more than a peninsula
00:39:33 <hppavilion[1]> (There's a bizarre model that is still taught in some places (most notably France, Italy, and Spain) that claims there are 6 continents)
00:39:52 <hppavilion[1]> (They are: Europe, Asia, Australia, Antarctica, Africa, and America)
00:40:07 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: you have read wikipedia's article on Continent, right?
00:40:16 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I'm in it right now
00:40:22 <oerjan> figures.
00:40:34 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Why?
00:41:41 <oerjan> i didn't say _i_ had read it hth
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00:42:45 * oerjan ponders if he should think before speaking
00:43:06 <oerjan> otoh that is boring. otth...
00:43:16 <shachaf> otuh
00:44:40 <hppavilion[1]> otooh...
00:45:03 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: if we have a separate term describing cultural mass, where does that put russia and some of its neighbors?
00:45:40 <oerjan> we could compromise and say europe is a pencontinent
00:45:45 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Either in Europe (a name which will be adopted as distinct from Eurasia) or split between Europe and Asia, depending on how Russia works
00:46:12 <hppavilion[1]> I don't actually understand russia
00:46:41 <shachaf> “Let social purpose hang itself unhindered! No- I mean, literature can replace, can actually become… Russia!”
00:46:46 <shachaf> That's not the quote I was looking for.
00:46:50 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i'm thinking that russia might need to be a third one
00:46:54 <shachaf> But I can't find the one I was looking for on that page.
00:47:01 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Perhaps
00:47:07 <oerjan> they're certainly acting like they're trying to be
00:47:13 <hppavilion[1]> (third? Won't there be, like, 10?)
00:47:21 <hppavilion[1]> Asia is the parts of the former Asia that aren't India or Stanic
00:47:37 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i mean beyond asia and europe. although of course asia needs further breakup.
00:47:41 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
00:48:07 <hppavilion[1]> Africa is divided around the middle (apparently) and Brazil is separate from the rest of South America
00:48:12 <oerjan> and stanic ... does that include _all_ the muslim countries in the middle?
00:48:20 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: No, just the middle east
00:48:27 <shachaf> You aren't counting Russia as part of Asia?
00:48:29 <hppavilion[1]> Or anywhere like it
00:48:36 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: oerjan recommends I don't
00:48:43 <shachaf> I was talking to oerjan.
00:48:47 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: the middle east isn't the part that has countries named -stan
00:48:54 <izalove> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hn1rPQouU 100% accurate
00:49:34 <oerjan> shachaf: i'm speaking about hppavilion[1]'s cultural division idea. russia is certainly not asian, and probably not european by that measure.
00:49:40 <hppavilion[1]> (We must be careful though; Scandinavia is still in Europe, but further divisions will separate it (except finland))
00:49:43 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, huh
00:50:18 <oerjan> <shachaf> That's not the quote I was looking for. <-- i believe you.
00:50:24 <hppavilion[1]> Well, the Middle East is its own area (and probably includes Egypt, honestly) separate from the main Asia (which also excludes India)
00:50:58 <hppavilion[1]> I would make such a good racist...
00:51:11 <hppavilion[1]> Unfortunately, I'm not. :(
00:54:10 <hppavilion[1]> (A radical Muslim would be referred to as an "orthodox muslim"; when talking about countries allowing certain Muslimy traditions (to any extent; Sharia Law is implied as the endpoint, but just letting them leave their classes to pray 2-3 times a day (depending on when the rules say they must and the school schedule) will be referred to as "[country name]-stan"- e.g. Americastan, Francestan, Germanystan, United Kingdom of Great Britain
00:54:10 <hppavilion[1]> and Northern Irelandstan)
01:08:04 <pikhq> hppavilion[1]: Never mind that permitting such prayers would probably fall more under 1st amendment rights than anything else (... in the US)
01:08:10 <pikhq> But, y'know. Racism.
01:17:09 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( Is it possible to make a Cesar Cipher with a non-integer key? )
01:17:41 <hppavilion[1]> 2.5 = 5/2. You alternate between a shift of 2 and a shift of 3, I guess.
01:20:40 <hppavilion[1]> Oooh, atbash('holy') = 'slob'
01:21:11 <hppavilion[1]> OMG, atbash('wizard') = 'draziw'
01:21:20 <hppavilion[1]> This is the best thing ever
01:22:01 <oerjan> wat
01:25:41 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> Perhaps the process should be refined to account for /number/ of links <-- iirc that's been done for erdős
01:26:01 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh
01:26:03 <oerjan> with 1/n. but only for the first step.
01:27:32 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It should account for how many papers have been written by him- sure, erdős is dead /now/ (for now), but if you apply the erdős distancing function ő(a, b), a and b might both still be alive
01:31:47 <myname> so, my dwarfs can now cut down trees, collect resulting wood and make barrels in workshops
01:35:28 <izalove> but can they love
01:35:43 <myname> also, i forgot what skill is connected with actually build workshops in df
01:35:47 <myname> not yet
01:42:32 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: No, myname isn't running the nightlies
01:42:57 <izalove> aww
01:43:37 <hppavilion[1]> Is there such thing as cryptographic steganography? Where you encrypt two messages into one, in such a way that message A can be broken in a way that looks real, but message B (which is slightly harder to break) is a separate message discretely encoded into message A?
01:43:52 <hppavilion[1]> I suppose you could do it with case or something...
01:45:09 <hppavilion[1]> But only if it isn't on a computer; if the person who breaks it would have to be doing it by hand
01:46:18 <hppavilion[1]> Encrypt your main message using Caesar #2, capitalize and decapitalize the letters in output to encode your secreter message in quintets (caps = 1, uncaps = 0)
01:46:56 <hppavilion[1]> Even better, switch between typographic variants while doing this. single-story a = 0, double-story = 1
01:48:05 <wob_jonas> hpp: my only real take at steganography is http://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=877696
01:48:15 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
01:49:24 <hppavilion[1]> (Oooh, or obsolete-cypher cypher; Vingere a long mess of garbage using the message, and the other person breaks it the usual way, discards the message and just reads the key)
01:56:26 <oerjan> ``` sed '1itest' /dev/null
01:56:28 <HackEgo> No output.
01:56:38 <izalove> why
01:56:41 <oerjan> huh
01:56:44 <izalove> what did you expect?
01:56:55 <oerjan> izalove: who are you talking to
01:56:58 <izalove> you
01:57:35 <oerjan> izalove: i was looking at wob_jonas's experiments in the log, and wondering if sed provides at _all_ any way of adding something to an empty file
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01:58:36 <oerjan> it seems to me that you cannot apply any command if there isn't an already existing line for it to act on
01:58:48 <izalove> obviously
01:59:22 <oerjan> which is rather stupid if you wanted to, say, unconditionally add a prefix
02:00:36 <wob_jonas> oerjan: I think it does, yes. try the i command for that.
02:00:46 <wob_jonas> or maybe not... wait
02:00:58 <wob_jonas> let me read the manual
02:02:09 <wob_jonas> oerjna: dunno, maybe it doesn't
02:05:01 <FireFly> `` sed 'itest' <<<hello
02:05:02 <HackEgo> test \ hello
02:05:07 <FireFly> Interesting
02:10:48 <oerjan> `` sed '$itest' /dev/null
02:10:49 <HackEgo> No output.
02:10:56 <oerjan> `` sed '0,$itest' /dev/null
02:10:56 <HackEgo> sed: -e expression #1, char 4: invalid usage of line address 0
02:11:02 <oerjan> `` sed '1,$itest' /dev/null
02:11:03 <HackEgo> No output.
02:11:16 <oerjan> `` sed '1,$itest' <<<hello
02:11:17 <HackEgo> test \ hello
02:15:25 <izalove> you're not grokking sed
02:15:38 <izalove> 1itest means when you read line 1, do i test
02:15:49 <hppavilion[1]> (Apparently the Polybius square for English usually merges I and J. Much better would be to drop W and make people use 'vv'
02:15:50 <izalove> line 1 was never read so it's never executed
02:15:57 <izalove> same for $itest
02:16:28 <izalove> 0,$ 0 only works for 0,/regex/
02:16:32 <oerjan> izalove: it's not about grokking sed, i understand why it does it.
02:16:58 <izalove> ah i see, then you're just trying stupid things that you know are not gonna work
02:17:01 <izalove> for reasons
02:17:12 <oerjan> izalove: i just think it is stupid that sed _has_ no way of doing this.
02:17:23 <izalove> why
02:17:28 <izalove> it's a stream editor
02:17:34 <izalove> how do you edit a stream if you have no stream?
02:18:03 <oerjan> izalove: because sed allows appending and inserting data, and unless the file is empty you can _easily_ do it at the beginning or end of it.
02:18:19 <izalove> you can only apply commands for each line read, so if you read no line you obviously can't apply commands
02:19:12 <oerjan> izalove: you are thinking in a "this is why sed's logic implies this" way, not a "why would anyone _want_ sed's logic to work like this" way.
02:19:40 <izalove> i understand why you would want to do it but that's not how sed works
02:20:01 <shachaf> izalove: you seem to be repeating what oerjan said
02:20:01 <izalove> sed works line by line and you can only apply commands on those lines
02:20:29 <izalove> why are you siding with the stupid one
02:20:33 * oerjan swats izalove -----###
02:20:43 <oerjan> izalove: because it is your way of thinking that is stupid.
02:22:47 <izalove> you're confusing $ for something to do at the end of the file, so you're expecting sed to have a similar symbol for something to do at the beginning of the file
02:22:51 * oerjan should not swat when frustrated. sorry.
02:22:53 <izalove> but $ is for the last line
02:23:04 <oerjan> izalove: i'm not confusing anything.
02:23:29 <oerjan> izalove: i am saying that sed would be a better program if it followed a slightly more user-friendly interpretation.
02:23:50 <quintopia> hello
02:23:52 <shachaf> oerjan: no, no, you don't understand. sed doesn't do what you're saying you wish it did. your wish is wrong.
02:23:55 <shachaf> hth
02:24:00 <izalove> oerjan: ok think of sed actions as foreach (line for which this expression is true) { dothing }
02:24:07 * oerjan swats shachaf -----###
02:24:25 <shachaf> oerjan: think of sed as a program that doesn't do what you want.
02:24:31 <shachaf> now do you see why it doesn't do what you want?
02:25:04 <wob_jonas> oerjan: why don't you make a patch to gnu sed that lets you use 0 as an address to run commands before the first line is read, so that there's a zeroth cycle that also ends with emptying or printing the pattern space like normal cycles?
02:25:06 <quintopia> now think of every program as a program that doesn't do what you want
02:25:16 <quintopia> now does *everything* make more sense?
02:25:16 <izalove> oerjan: you wouldn't expect a foreach to execute actions if there's no line, right?
02:25:24 <oerjan> quintopia: darn, you're right!
02:25:31 <izalove> you guys are all stupid
02:26:08 <oerjan> izalove: no, you're just fixating on your interpretation of the situation.
02:26:18 <izalove> it's the right interpretation
02:26:31 <shachaf> perhaps oerjan is too left-leaning for you
02:26:41 * oerjan topples over
02:33:09 <quintopia> this forbes article about target's data mining and advertising is quite interesting
02:35:14 <oerjan> `` (echo hi; echo there; echo counterexample) | sed '1,2cwhoops...'
02:35:15 <HackEgo> whoops... \ counterexample
02:35:30 <oerjan> izalove: your explanation needs work hth hth ;)
02:35:41 <oerjan> oops
02:35:44 <shachaf> oerjan: your hthing needs work hth hth
02:35:47 <oerjan> *-hth
02:35:56 <quintopia> i like it when he uses two
02:36:59 <izalove> oerjan: idiot
02:37:24 <quintopia> izalove: jerk
02:37:28 <oerjan> izalove: hm? i'm just saying that doesn't work like your foreach interpretation
02:37:28 <izalove> fair
02:38:21 <oerjan> `` (echo hi; echo there; echo counterexample) | sed '1,2ithis one i dunno what it will do'
02:38:22 <HackEgo> this one i dunno what it will do \ hi \ this one i dunno what it will do \ there \ counterexample
02:38:47 <oerjan> i suppose that fits.
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02:39:02 <oerjan> so c may be the only counterexample.
02:42:42 <oerjan> `? oerjan
02:42:43 <HackEgo> Your mysterious helpful œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
02:43:01 * oerjan thinks better of it
02:43:21 <shachaf> Who was your new arch-nemesis?
02:43:22 <shachaf> Oh, right.
02:43:42 <oerjan> i have a new arch-nemesis?
02:43:59 <shachaf> Yes, one with many names.
02:44:00 <oerjan> i'm considering neil degrasse tyson hth
02:44:49 <oerjan> (but only because the only video i've bothered watching by him was so obviously strawman fighting)
02:46:11 <shachaf> was it http://i.imgur.com/brDnLIg.webm
02:46:32 <oerjan> my browser won't open that
02:46:38 <shachaf> why not
02:46:47 <shachaf> what if you replace the last four characters witth gifv
02:46:51 <shachaf> or with gif
02:47:20 <oerjan> i'll just chop it off
02:47:35 <shachaf> or that
02:48:59 <oerjan> OKAY
02:49:30 <shachaf> look
02:49:32 * oerjan needs to calm down. also, food ->
02:49:45 <shachaf> oerjan: can you photograph a pooch while you're away
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02:49:57 <oerjan> no, for at least two reasons.
02:50:25 <shachaf> what are the reasons
02:50:29 <oerjan> actually, three
02:51:17 <shachaf> elaborate
02:51:25 <oerjan> (1) i don't have a camera (2) there aren't any pooches around at this time (3) it would be too dark... oh wait, flash. i don't have a flash either.
02:51:43 <shachaf> no pooches?
02:51:44 <shachaf> come on
02:51:57 <oerjan> point (3) applies even for the inconvenient option of bringing my laptop outside
02:51:59 <shachaf> just go outside and knock on some doors until you find someone with a pooch
02:52:35 <shachaf> many phones have built-in cameras nowadays
02:52:38 <shachaf> maybe you have one of those
02:52:49 <oerjan> i don't think so. i worked too hard on making my next door neighbors care enough to keep theirs silent hth
02:52:54 <oerjan> nope
02:54:05 <wob_jonas> what's this? why do you need to photograph a pooch?
02:54:15 <oerjan> ask shachaf
02:54:22 <oerjan> while i'm getting food
02:54:47 <shachaf> oerjan: what food are you getting
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02:59:35 <hppavilion[1]> Oh my god
03:00:22 <hppavilion[1]> 'vacc-' is latin for 'cow'
03:00:30 <hppavilion[1]> "consider a spherical cow in a vacuum"
03:01:04 <hppavilion[1]> (I mean, 'vac-' is Latin for "empty", but that's probably unrelated)
03:01:25 <shachaf> svacc
03:10:06 <oerjan> shachaf: bread
03:10:39 <oerjan> shachaf: are you saying his argument is weak (svak in norwegian)
03:10:48 <shachaf> i'm saying it's scow
03:11:04 <oerjan> ah.
03:11:05 <shachaf> sku
03:11:10 <oerjan> `? scow
03:11:11 <HackEgo> Scow (S-cow) is canned meat made from cows with a lisp.
03:16:07 <Elronnd> `? HackEgo
03:16:08 <HackEgo> HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. HackEgo is the slowest bot in all Mexico!
03:16:18 <Elronnd> `? Elronnd
03:16:19 <HackEgo> Elronnd desperately wants this entry to say something.
03:16:28 <shachaf> `cwlprits Elronnd
03:16:31 <HackEgo> No output.
03:16:33 <shachaf> oopse
03:16:36 <shachaf> `cwlprits elronnd
03:16:38 <HackEgo> oerjan Elronnd oerjan Elronnd Elronnd
03:16:47 <shachaf> `dowg elronnd
03:16:49 <HackEgo> 2016-01-11 <oerjan> learn Elronnd desperately wants this entry to say something. \ 2016-01-08 <Elronnd> learn Elronnd ... \ 2015-12-20 <oerjan> ` rm wisdom/{elronnd,b_jonas} \ 2015-12-19 <Elronnd> learn Elronnd *definitely* esoteric \ 2015-12-19 <Elronnd> learn Elronnd *Definitely* esoteric
03:17:00 <Elronnd> `rainwords Elronnd
03:17:02 <HackEgo> Elronnd
03:17:11 <Elronnd> `rainwords HackEgo you done a good job
03:17:12 <HackEgo> HackEgo you done a good job
03:26:17 <oerjan> <izalove> in pokemon games, potion restores 20 hp and fresh water restores 50 <-- obviously their medicine is based on homeopathy hth
03:26:37 <izalove> still mad at you
03:26:53 * oerjan offers icecream
03:26:58 <izalove> ok
03:27:04 <izalove> that works
03:27:07 <shachaf> oerjan: please, what kind of ice cream are you offering
03:27:09 <shachaf> how do i get it
03:27:23 <izalove> shachaf: step 1: be mad at oerjan
03:27:30 <shachaf> oerjan is too good
03:27:38 <shachaf> oerjan++
03:27:43 <oerjan> shachaf: dark chocolate
03:27:51 <shachaf> scow
03:27:57 <shachaf> i don't like chocolate ice cream
03:28:03 <shachaf> and i don't really like dark chocolate
03:28:03 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
03:28:14 <shachaf> whoa
03:28:15 <hppavilion[1]> My token non-binary lesbian friend is currently playing Pokemon and was asking me what e should do. I know nothing at all about pokemon.
03:28:17 <shachaf> you really are evil
03:28:18 <shachaf> `? oerjan
03:28:19 <HackEgo> Your mysterious helpful œverlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
03:28:22 * oerjan gives shachaf a pistacchio one
03:28:31 <shachaf> oerjan: please, where can i get it
03:28:46 <oerjan> *-c
03:29:14 <shachaf> `slwd oerjan//s#helpful œ#evil o#
03:29:17 <HackEgo> wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious evil overlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
03:29:43 <oerjan> shiny
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03:55:21 <oerjan> shachaf: i don't know if diplom-is delivers to california, alas
03:56:11 <shachaf> oerjan: Can you find out?
03:57:14 <oerjan> (of course you haven't noticed my evil scheme yet...)
03:58:19 <shachaf> Which scheme?
03:59:01 <oerjan> the fact that the pistachio is covered in dark chocolate hth https://www.diplom-is.no/produkter/royal-pistasj1
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04:00:05 <shachaf> Oh, that's fine.
04:00:12 <shachaf> That's not chocolate ice cream.
04:00:22 <oerjan> ah
04:00:26 <shachaf> And I probably don't mind dark chocolate in that form.
04:00:34 <shachaf> You should send me some so I can find out.
04:00:54 <oerjan> i don't think i can do that
04:01:04 <shachaf> Why not?
04:03:42 <oerjan> (1) it needs to be kept frozen (2) mental issues
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04:05:02 <shachaf> Which issues?
04:05:06 <shachaf> The kind that it's rude to ask about?
04:05:42 <oerjan> obviously.
04:08:13 <oerjan> anyway, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistachio_ice_cream lists some american companies
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04:29:22 <shachaf> Obviously I'm interested in Norwegian ice cream.
04:30:00 <shachaf> And none of those seem to have dark chocolate, anyway.
04:30:51 <Elronnd> norwegian ice cream is quite good
04:31:05 <shachaf> `? shachaf
04:31:09 <HackEgo> Shachaf of the Dawn sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. He hates bell peppers with a passion. The unit of fun punnery is named after him.
04:32:04 <shachaf> sprø som pistasj iskrem
04:32:23 <Elronnd> there's a good company near where I used to live
04:32:30 <oerjan> very good, although drop the last space
04:33:31 <shachaf> "tolive" is invalid english hth
04:33:49 * oerjan swats shachaf-----###
04:36:07 <shachaf> Oh, I get it.
04:36:13 <shachaf> "sprø" means crunchy
04:36:17 <shachaf> But also crazy
04:36:24 <shachaf> So it's a pun, because celery is crunchy
04:36:27 <alercah> shachaf: why do you hate bell peppers
04:36:35 <shachaf> alercah: so many reasos
04:36:38 <shachaf> n
04:36:51 <shachaf> pistasjiskrem isn't very crunchy at all
04:37:45 <shachaf> Pistachios, on the other hand...
04:38:24 <oerjan> shachaf: well the one you're pining for includes some nut pieces
04:38:34 <shachaf> oh
04:38:38 <oerjan> and also the chocolate
04:38:48 <shachaf> so what you're saying is, not very sprø at all?
04:38:57 <shachaf> mildly sprø?
04:39:14 <shachaf> Was my assessment of the pun correct?
04:39:22 <alercah> is sprø the opposite of scow?
04:40:09 <oerjan> probably not. prø isn't the opposite of cow.
04:40:24 <alercah> hmm maybe there's a triangle
04:40:33 <alercah> prø-cow-???
04:40:44 <oerjan> gnition
04:40:49 <oerjan> clearly gnition.
04:41:16 <alercah> clearly I am not as educated in these arts as you
04:41:44 <oerjan> shachaf: you've assessed well.
04:42:37 <Elronnd> Why does everyone know all these languages?
04:42:38 <oerjan> shachaf: btw i didn't invent that pun, norwegians actually use it.
04:42:42 * Elronnd only knows 2.6 languages
04:42:43 <shachaf> oerjan: I know.
04:42:46 <shachaf> A cow is the dual of a w, obviously.
04:43:11 <shachaf> There are many vegetabel colloquialisms that are difficult to translate.
04:43:23 <shachaf> In Hebrew people say "nonsense in tomato juice"
04:43:30 <shachaf> Which actually isn't a good example because it's not a pun.
04:43:50 <Elronnd> it rhymes nicely, though
04:43:55 <shachaf> Yes.
04:44:03 <oerjan> a scow is the dual of a wino.
04:44:07 <Elronnd> approximate translitteration: shtuyot be mits
04:44:12 <Elronnd> agvanyot
04:44:38 <shachaf> What are other vegetable colloquialisms?
04:44:46 <shachaf> I know there are more but it's hard to think of them.
04:45:11 <Elronnd> potato
04:45:17 <Elronnd> (also in hebrew)
04:45:26 <shachaf> ?
04:45:52 <Elronnd> you never heard that one?
04:46:08 <shachaf> oerjan: I've been informed that "shachaf sprø som selleri" is iggrammatical.
04:46:13 <shachaf> Missing an "er".
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04:48:14 <oerjan> shachaf: it was adapted from a previous version that was also iggrammatical hth
04:48:46 <shachaf> What was the previous version?
04:49:03 <oerjan> "shachaf mad" hth
04:49:17 * oerjan whistles innocently
04:50:21 <Elronnd> what's iggrammatical
04:50:35 <oerjan> it's the opposite of grammatical hth
04:50:58 <Elronnd> that would be ungrammatical
04:51:24 * oerjan looks at Elronnd like he's sprø som selleri
04:51:27 <shachaf> iggrammatical is iggrammatical
04:51:30 <shachaf> but pointing that out is not very insightful
04:51:44 <Elronnd> s/insightful/iggrammatical/g
04:51:46 <shachaf> some people do it reflexively
04:51:49 <oerjan> is it, really? isn't it more immorphological.
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06:10:28 <oerjan> clippy in freefall is going to need to sort out some things...
06:18:01 <oerjan> in girl genius, grandma is one confident lady.
06:19:40 <pikhq> Yep, Clippy is quite confused at present.
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07:59:38 <izalove> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-H1LddWxo8
08:05:48 <hppavilion[1]> Apparently, there used to be an idiom "The only people who stay dead in comics are Bucky, Jason Todd, and Uncle Ben."
08:05:57 <hppavilion[1]> Bucky and Jason Todd were both brought back in 2005
08:07:50 <pikhq> Did... they bring back the Waynes?
08:10:32 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Probably at some point
08:10:37 <hppavilion[1]> But do they even really count as characters?
08:10:45 <hppavilion[1]> They're more of a backstory plot device
08:10:51 <pikhq> Well, no, they are just plot devices.
08:11:23 <hppavilion[1]> (Think, what do you know about Batman's parents? They died... usually after seeing Zorro... and that's it)
08:11:57 <hppavilion[1]> (Usually it was an assassination set up to look like a mugging gone awry?)
08:13:11 <zzo38> This is my proposed API of SQLite to use with a JavaScript code http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/sqlite_js and I hope this would be better than the existing packages for SQLite on JavaScript. But, I wouldn't know how because I don't know C++ programming
08:13:46 <pikhq> Isn't SQLite pure C?
08:14:18 <zzo38> Yes
08:14:33 <zzo38> However, Node.js extension are written with C++
08:14:48 <pikhq> Grumble.
08:15:28 <zzo38> The asynchronous stuff I wrote might be wrong though and might need to be changed if the way I currently wrote it won't work very well.
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11:38:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Talideon]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=49726 * Talideon * (+313) Created page with "Hello! My name's Keith Gaughan. I mirror some esolang-related content: * [https://mirrors.talideon.com/articles/qbal/ Q-BAL] - I really ought to write an implementation of t..."
11:38:29 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dis]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49727&oldid=46482 * Talideon * (+133) /* External resources */ Add a specification mirror link.
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11:57:05 <wob_jonas> "(Think, what do you know about Batman's parents? They died... usually after seeing Zorro... and that's it)" => oh, like Doctor Sarton
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16:11:52 <\oren\> moonythedwarf: when is your bot going to do anything?
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16:13:54 <ais523> well the bot is going relatively slowly atm
16:14:08 <ais523> although if it's quitjoinspamming and there isn't a human attending it, it should probably be tested in a channel of its own
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16:14:50 <ais523> \oren\: how long has it been doing that?
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16:15:45 <\oren\> only since half an hour ago by my scrollup
16:15:58 <ais523> right
16:16:08 <ais523> let's give it a while to do something more interesting before it gets banned
16:16:42 <\oren\> the frequency is about one every 4 minutes anyway
16:16:57 <ais523> that's comparable to pingout timing
16:16:57 <\oren\> on average
16:17:03 <ais523> maybe it doesn't know how to handle the ping from the server
16:17:14 <ais523> and sends a quit rather than a pong
16:17:15 <\oren\> possibly.
16:17:38 <\oren\> My bot is irssi based, so it doesn't have to handle any of that stuff
16:17:54 <moonythedwarf> Sorry, im fixing a few bugs.
16:17:59 <moonythedwarf> code changed
16:18:07 <\oren\> oh, so you're rebooting it
16:18:11 <\oren\> i see
16:18:22 <moonythedwarf> yea. its design is not exactly reload friendly
16:18:31 <moonythedwarf> may try childprocesses later
16:19:10 <ais523> right, if there's a human behind it
16:19:17 <ais523> the joinspam is less of a problem
16:19:52 <moonythedwarf> ~>pyc while True: print 1+1 # _Should_ no longer let processes run rampant
16:19:53 <ais523> it can be easier to test it in a channel of your own, though, both because you don't spam the channel as much and because other people don't say things and interrupt your tests
16:19:54 <Kobalt> 'import site' failed | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
16:19:54 <Kobalt> | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2
16:19:58 <\oren\> irssi can reload a script without unjoining
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16:20:19 <\oren\> or whatever the tchincal word im looking for it
16:20:23 <moonythedwarf> True ais523
16:20:41 <moonythedwarf> im going to implent childprocess based commands for the next update. :P
16:21:05 <moonythedwarf> maybe
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16:48:30 <\oren\> I should invent a dish involving servings of waffles and call it "wunderwaffle"
16:50:39 <ais523> does that use English pronunciation, German pronunciation, or change halfway through the word?
16:50:56 <\oren\> or maybe a whole waffle house: luftwaffle, panzerwaffle, wunderwaffle, atomwaffle, waffle-ss
16:51:37 <ais523> I like "luftwaffle"
16:51:38 <\oren\> ais523: not sure. I could only get away with it in japan or korea anyway, where noone knows how to pronounce any of that anyway
16:52:19 <\oren\> like in germany I would probably go to jail on opening night
16:53:13 <Taneb> \oren\, luftwaffe is still the name of the German Air Force
16:54:02 <\oren\> but i wouldn't get away with a dish called waffle ss
16:55:09 <Taneb> That is true
16:55:21 <\oren\> or probably even "wunderwaffle" would be frowned upon
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17:15:50 <moonythedwarf> Ok should be done for now
17:15:59 <moonythedwarf> ~>pyc print 1+1
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17:25:30 <\oren\> horray
17:25:49 <\oren\> ~>pyc print "hello " + "wrold \n"
17:25:50 <Kobalt> hello wrold | |
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17:46:34 <wob_jonas> Wow, http://faculty.evansville.edu/ck6/encyclopedia/ETC.html Encyclopedia of Triangle Centers has really grown. It has over 10000 points now.\
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18:04:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49728&oldid=46494 * Primo * (+35) /* 48 */
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18:24:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49730&oldid=49729 * Primo * (+0) /* 48 */
18:24:59 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49731&oldid=49730 * Primo * (+0) /* 208 */
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19:42:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:Brainfuck constants]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49733&oldid=38128 * Rdebath * (+1536) /* Note on crunchfuck and more values. */ new section
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19:50:21 <Siniestro> Hola
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20:30:19 <hppavilion[1]> (Why is ONLY the third verse of Deutschlandlied sung in Germany? Like, the first verse is kind of objectionable, but the second is fine, though not really a good first verse. Why not 3 then 2?)
20:31:08 <hppavilion[1]> (I mean, I guess 2 could be considered sexist? "Our women are the best women" is I guess offensive to certain horseshoes?)
20:32:48 <hppavilion[1]> (Is the current government of Germany considered different from the one the Third Reich was part of, or the same government but reformed?)
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20:48:24 <FireFly> Pretty sure it's considered different
20:48:39 <FireFly> And, well, dunno, maybe they wanted it short
20:56:23 <hppavilion[1]> (Every country should standardize their emergency codes. I just learned it's 112 in Deutschland rather than 'Mürika's standard 911. I vote we all agree worldwide to use 900, 999, 666, or 100. 999 and 666 are best because they're easily memorable and can be typed quickly; I like 666, but other people won't and 999 is easier because it's the lower-right)
20:57:04 <nortti> 999 was rejected by GSM body due to being easy to accidentally dial
20:57:07 <hppavilion[1]> (Current numbers in each country would be a standard redirect to the new one)
20:57:10 <hppavilion[1]> nortti: Oh right...
20:57:33 <hppavilion[1]> That must be why they went with 911...
20:57:42 <nortti> and 112
20:58:06 <hppavilion[1]> nortti: 112 is easier
20:58:07 <wob_jonas> hpp: it's more or less standardized, in that the recommended number is 112 everywhere in Europe and 911 everywhere in North America
20:58:12 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
20:58:15 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: 112 works everywhere in Europe
20:58:31 <hppavilion[1]> ais523: Ah. I vote 'murica adopts it as an alternate.
20:58:37 <ais523> hppavilion[1]: the US uses 911 because numbers of the form x11 were used as special cases in the original US numbering system
20:58:58 <wob_jonas> yes, 112 is definitely easier to dial, at least on European phones where you can dial 112 without unlocking the key lock, because the three buttons are next to each other
20:59:04 <ais523> also, I've seen 999 dialed by accident myself (it was a small child who happened to like the number 9)
20:59:11 <ais523> using nonrepeating digits makes that somewhat harder
20:59:14 <Siniestro> o.o
20:59:28 <ais523> also, on a rotary phone, you have to rotate the dial the entire distance to dial a 9, 112 is much faster on one of those
20:59:32 <ais523> (but nobody uses them nowadays)
20:59:57 <wob_jonas> hpp: I think 911 probably sometimes works in Europe too (from mobile phones), for compatibility
21:00:06 <wob_jonas> but it's hard to tell because you can't find out which ones work without actually calling it
21:00:19 <ais523> you could get a job as an emergency communications tester
21:00:36 <ais523> there are people who go around dialing 911 from every phone in the US as it's set up to make sure it's connected to the emergency system correctly
21:00:44 <hppavilion[1]> wob_jonas: It's the same in the US; in fact, you can dial any number without connecting on iPhone (I think; maybe it's only emergency calls or only one before logging in)
21:00:56 <ais523> obviously, you need to let the dispatchers know that that's what you're doing
21:01:13 <wob_jonas> hpp: that's two different things
21:02:06 <wob_jonas> hpp: one is that you can dial emergency calls from any phone without a sim card, or with an invalid (expired) sim card, or with a valid sim card but without knowing the Pin, and in all of those cases you can't do any other calls (not even free calls)
21:03:38 <wob_jonas> but what I'm talking about is that on phones that aren't fold-out or slide-out, but have a key lock activated by a short combination of keys (or rarely, by a physical switch on the side) to avoid accidental keyopresses and butt-dialling, if the keys are locked you can still press 1 1 2 green to dial emergency.
21:03:54 <fizzie> 112 works everywhere the GSM standard holds sway, even outside Europe.
21:04:04 <wob_jonas> this makes it very easy to call emergency services blindly, without looking at the phone, because those three buttons (1 and 2 and green) are next to each other
21:04:15 <hppavilion[1]> The UK uses 999 it looks like
21:04:28 <ais523> we use 112 but 999 still works for backwards compatibility
21:04:28 <fizzie> (Even in places where the "traditional" number is something else.)
21:04:44 <ais523> to the extent that hardly anyone actually knows or uses the new number
21:06:01 <wob_jonas> ais523: sure, lots of countries still have older emergency service numbers that still work. in Hungary, they're 104 for ambulance, 105 for firefighters, 107 for police (these were introduced within my lifetime, the previous ones were 04, 05, 07),
21:06:06 <fizzie> Finland had 000 as the nationwide emergency number when it was established.
21:06:12 <wob_jonas> I think Austria has 122, 133, 144.
21:06:25 <fizzie> It might still work for all I know, but the official number was changed to 112 in 1993.
21:06:34 <wob_jonas> 112 is quite well advertized here so I think most people know about it, which is a good thing
21:06:45 <ais523> wob_jonas: in the UK the way it works is that when you call 112, you get linked to a dispatcher who basically just asks you which emergency services you need
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21:06:55 <ais523> then transfers you to the individual emergency-handling department
21:07:02 <wob_jonas> mind you, some phones also have an interface that lets you call emergency services without knowing the number, although the number is easier
21:07:04 <ais523> there are six, but most people only know three of them
21:07:23 <ais523> (fire, police, ambulance; cave rescue, mountain rescue, coastguard)
21:07:36 <wob_jonas> ais523: sure, there are more than those three here too. I don't know how they work.
21:08:21 <wob_jonas> I don't know how many of them are and which ones they are and how the central number works (I think at some point it was connected to the police emergency line, and they'd transfer you, but that might have changed since), because luckily I've had no need to call them yet.
21:08:33 <fizzie> Wikipedia has some rather dubious lists of more detailed emergency numbers, which I couldn't really find citations for and find a bit suspicious.
21:08:37 <ais523> we do have separate less-than-an-emergency lines, though
21:08:41 <fizzie> Or at least had, maybe they've cleaned up.
21:08:51 <ais523> 101 will contact the police for something low priority
21:08:51 <wob_jonas> ais523: wait, cave rescue? wow
21:09:19 <ais523> and 111 is a triage line for when you think you have a medical emergency, but aren't sure because you aren't a doctor, and need a qualified doctor to let you know whether it's a medical emergency or not
21:09:39 <ais523> (this situation comes up regularly enough to need its own number, and I've had to use it in the past)
21:09:43 <fizzie> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_numbers
21:10:28 <wob_jonas> In the older days, phonebooks used to have a page or two at the beginning listing dozens of useful not-quite-emergency numbers (and also the emergency numbers), but for some reason they removed those in later editions (even when phonebooks still existed) and now I don't know of an up to date list, not even online.
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21:10:44 <ais523> I think 101 has done wonders for crime reporting, because before it was introduced
21:10:59 <ais523> nobody could remember how to report a crime that didn't lead to any immediate danger for anyone
21:11:04 <ais523> so they probably went mostly unreported
21:11:27 <wob_jonas> Many of those numbers were not short abbreviated numbers, but normal format ones, but these days there are a lot more abbreviated numbers out there (I think there are some with six digits, seriously, although most are four digits long)
21:11:40 <hppavilion[1]> People often say they're a "Black belt" in e.g. Python-Fu. Clearly they aren't real programmers, as programming ranks are hex (and #000000 is the lowest rank)
21:11:52 <wob_jonas> I'd like to see a list, especially because they keep changing the short numbers very quickly a lot of times.
21:12:40 <hppavilion[1]> The base rank (can't do anything at all) is #000000, every time you level up you add 1 to the smallest pair, with the tiebreaker being Red before Blue before Green
21:12:52 <wob_jonas> ais523: for reporting crimes in non-emergency, we do have a number called "Tanú vonal", but I don't know its number
21:13:39 <wob_jonas> hpp: wait, #000000 is can't do anything at all? how about those people that do more harm to the code than help?
21:14:42 <ais523> they have colors like the overblack that the NES has
21:14:50 <ais523> (you aren't supposed to use it because TVs get confused by it)
21:15:17 <ais523> basically you specify colors to analog TVs via using a range of voltages
21:15:25 <ais523> overblack has a voltage beyond the black end of the range
21:15:28 <ais523> hmm… ultrablack? infrablack?
21:16:39 <wob_jonas> (after looking it up) Apparently it's called "telefontanú" instead, is free to call, and has the number +3680555111
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21:17:09 * wob_jonas writes that up in his phone
21:17:52 <ais523> wob_jonas: is +3680 significant/memorable in any way? I assume at least some of the leading digits refer to Hungary
21:18:22 <wob_jonas> ais523: +36 is Hungary, +3680 followed by 6 digits are free to call numbers
21:18:55 <ais523> aha
21:19:17 <ais523> so the only bit that isn't structural is a fairly memorable 555111
21:19:43 <wob_jonas> +3690 or +3681 followed by 6 digits are premium rate numbers, their rate per call or rate per minute can be determined from the next three digits using a step function you have to look up in documentation.
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21:20:51 <wob_jonas> The 80 bit is somewhat standard, I think 80 or 800 are used as the are code for free to call numbers in some other countries too
21:21:37 <pikhq> 800 is the area code used in the North American Dialing Plan.
21:21:45 <pikhq> Erm, Numbering Plan.
21:21:50 <ais523> yes, UK prefix for a free to call number is 0800
21:22:01 <fizzie> And "1-900" for premium-rate services, I believe. (In the USA, I mean.)
21:22:03 <ais523> and the leading 0 is structural
21:22:06 <pikhq> fizzie: Yes.
21:22:23 <fizzie> (Where the '1' was the characteristically humble country code.)
21:22:24 <ais523> (it's basically the equivalent of a leading / in a path)
21:22:31 <pikhq> Except that's not US-specific...
21:22:40 <wob_jonas> these free to call numbers are sometimes called "zöld szám" in Hungary by the way
21:22:57 <wob_jonas> some of the abbreviated numbers (which these days all start with 1, but some used to start with 0 or 9) are also free to call
21:22:57 <ais523> I can't guess what Hungarian means by looking at it :-P
21:23:06 <pikhq> The NPNA is used by like a couple dozen countries.
21:23:16 <fizzie> I can't guess what Hungarian means even if Finnish is technically related.
21:23:19 <wob_jonas> what I wish for is there to be a consistent way to call Hungarian abbreviated numbers from abroad, but I don't think there is one
21:23:40 <wob_jonas> some of the abbreviated numbers have long equivalents, but not in a systematic relation
21:23:44 <pikhq> (US, Canada, and the Carribean)
21:24:47 <ais523> fizzie: I saw an experiment on that where they gave some Hungarians in the room some Finnish to try to decode
21:24:59 <ais523> none of them could figure it out, but they started to see the connections when they were explained
21:25:24 <ais523> so from this small amount of anecdotal evidence I conclude that the languages are related, but only tenuously
21:25:37 <wob_jonas> ais523: yes, the two languages are too far to be even partly intelligable.
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21:25:50 <wob_jonas> the relationship is more in the grammar system
21:26:02 <ais523> reading Middle English can be fun
21:26:10 <fizzie> Finnish and Estonian work better that way.
21:26:15 <ais523> it's pretty alien, especially in the spelling, but you can often figure out what it means
21:26:38 <pikhq> They are both Uralic languages, and even Finno-Ugric, but that doesn't help too much.
21:26:45 <wob_jonas> as opposed to figuring out Swedish from German, which is much easier
21:27:10 <pikhq> English and German are both Germanic languages, and even not *that* far apart, but going from English to German can be pretty mystifying without study.
21:27:34 <ais523> English is only partly Germanic
21:27:44 <ais523> it has large Romance influence too
21:28:04 <ais523> this is part of the reason the vocabulary is so large, it's basically glued two different language families together
21:28:05 <pikhq> English is 100% Germanic, at least from a language family sense.
21:28:14 <pikhq> But it has, yes, huge Romance influence.
21:28:14 <ais523> (the grammar/structural components are mostly Germanic though)
21:28:32 <pikhq> It's also got huge influence from a *different branch* of the Germanic family.
21:28:53 <pikhq> It's West Germanic, but with vocabulary and grammatical changes adopted from North Germanic.
21:28:53 <wob_jonas> also, obviously how easy it is to understand a language from another depends a lot on the topic discussed and even the writing style, because those can influence how much of the vocabulary is related
21:28:55 <fizzie> 100% Germanic, not from concentrate.
21:29:19 <wob_jonas> if you talk about modern topics like computers, there are more likely to be words that were loaned recently from English or Latin or Greek
21:29:49 <ais523> or that were just outright invented
21:30:27 <wob_jonas> yes, invented and then borrowed from English
21:31:05 <ais523> hmm, I was just checking Wiktionary to see if the urban legend about the word "quiz" having been invented for a bet is true
21:31:30 <wob_jonas> and if you're reading French about technical topics, then it can depend a lot on the writer how many English-derived words they use
21:31:30 <ais523> apparently there's no evidence behind that theory but there isn't evidence behind any of the other theories either
21:31:34 <wob_jonas> ais523: it's mostly true
21:31:36 <ais523> so I guess it's possibly true but probably not
21:31:43 <wob_jonas> iirc
21:32:27 <ais523> Wikipedia says that the timeline is wrong (the bet is commonly alleged to have happened in 1791, but the word was used in 1781)
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21:36:34 <wob_jonas> Another useful non-emergency phone number is +3640374636 (branded as +3640DRINFO) which you can call for non-emergency medical problems to find out which clinic you should go to for urgent or non-urgent problems of any kind, based on the type of problem, time, and where you live.
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22:04:05 <fizzie> Can you call +36403762746 to find out which pills to eat?
22:04:41 <shachaf> for a good time call +1-202-762-1069
22:06:22 <wob_jonas> fizzie: they can tell you the information in the public description of all medicine products and on interactions (you can also find these on their webpage at http://dr.info.hu/drinfo/pid/0/medicine ), but they probably won't give you a diagnosis and will sometimes tell you to ask a doctor or pharmacist instead
22:07:28 <wob_jonas> I don't really know how much medical information they will give you
22:07:29 <ais523> apparently nobody sees pharmacists nowadays
22:07:41 <ais523> at least, I went to a pharmacist for a question which was definitely in their domain
22:07:50 <ais523> and they answered it, but seemed surprised and happy that I hadn't just gone to a doctor
22:07:58 <wob_jonas> their homepage does have some medical information
22:08:18 <fizzie> wob_jonas: That's why I suggested +3640DRMARIO instead.
22:08:42 <pikhq> ais523: Yeah, very few people will just ask a pharmacist about things like drug interactions.
22:08:49 <pikhq> Which is literally their job and domain of expertise.
22:09:05 <wob_jonas> ais523: yes, that's my experience too, people (including me) rarely ask questions from pharmacists
22:09:14 <ais523> in my case, I was asking whether it was safe to end a course of a drug early if it wasn't having the hoped-for effect, or whether it was one for which I needed to take the whole course
22:09:37 <shachaf> There's also one in Colorado.
22:09:47 <wob_jonas> The questions I usually ask about them is which is the cheapest product equivalent to some other product.
22:09:58 <pikhq> ais523: Seems reasonable.
22:10:46 <wob_jonas> Mind you, it may help now that I have a doctor as a brother and I can ask questions to him.
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22:26:15 <\oren\> they should just have made one of the emergency numbers 8675309
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22:26:44 <wob_jonas> \oren\: why?
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22:27:06 <Taneb> wob_jonas, it's easy to remember
22:27:16 <\oren\> becuase everyone knows that number from the song
22:27:37 <wob_jonas> I don't. That song was never popular here.
22:28:12 <\oren\> well, in places where that song was popular, then
22:28:20 <shachaf> I've never heard the song.
22:28:22 <shachaf> But I know the number.
22:29:08 <wob_jonas> People can remember the emergency numbers because they're written on a lot of places that are easy to notice: on lots of emergency vehicles, near public payphones, on some police buildings, on websites, etc.
22:29:34 <wob_jonas> (And from phonebooks, for old people like me.)
22:29:43 <wob_jonas> I don't know if there's a song for them. Maybe there should be.
22:29:56 <wob_jonas> There are probably instruction videos.
22:30:34 <wob_jonas> I think I've seen signs advertizing the emergency numbers in other public places too, often together with other useful information about emergency procedures..
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22:31:46 <wob_jonas> Like, signs that say that if there's a fire in this building, call some number it gives which is the phone number of the maintainer for that public building or call 112; the sign also sometimes tells you what information you should report.
22:33:30 <FireFly> I don't know if it's written on emergency vehicles here; what payphones?; I don't think it's writen on police buildings either
22:33:35 <FireFly> at least not particularly prominenty
22:33:48 <FireFly> Agree about emergency signs though
22:34:25 <FireFly> Like the ones in public buildings pointing out where emergency exits are and what way to take and such
22:34:41 <wob_jonas> FireFly: and websites too. like, see the two big numbers on http://www.police.hu/ ?
22:35:19 <FireFly> Sure, I'll give you websites too
22:35:45 <FireFly> https://polisen.se/ ← yeah, here too apparently. makes sense
22:35:52 <FireFly> not quite as prominent though
22:36:19 <wob_jonas> I also hope teachers teach these kinds of useful things in elementary schools and high schools, but I don't follow what schools do these days.
22:36:29 <FireFly> Yeah, definitely
22:36:58 <wob_jonas> Obviously that doesn't help older adults when a lot of these information needs updated.
22:37:02 <wob_jonas> Oh, and
22:38:59 <wob_jonas> the majority of adults here have a driver's license, and unless you've got it many decades ago, a driver's license requires a course and exam on first aid procedures and other procedures to be followed in case of an accident, and that definitely requires knowing how to call the police and ambulance
22:39:42 <wob_jonas> There's also television. Many people still watch television, and television also tells about this sort of thing sometimes.
22:40:13 <wob_jonas> At least if you listen to the news programs, not only TV series.
22:40:17 <wob_jonas> So television and radio probably helps a lot too.
22:41:10 <hppavilion[1]> One of the annoying things about English is comparative adjectives
22:41:50 <wob_jonas> hpp: be more specific?
22:41:57 <hppavilion[1]> wob_jonas: Working on it
22:42:06 <hppavilion[1]> When I first saw the words used by Wiktionary, it was that (usually) -est is the Superlative (the most adjectival), which I knew
22:43:00 <hppavilion[1]> And that (usually) -er (used to say something more adjectivial, but not necessarily the most) is the... "comparative"?
22:43:19 <ais523> yes
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22:46:30 <quintopia> let's hear a story
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23:14:45 <makellite> hello world :)
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23:15:27 <oerjan> `WeLcOmE makellite
23:15:29 <HackEgo> MaKeLlItE: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: <HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/>. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN EfNeT Or dAlNeT.)
23:15:42 <oerjan> oops
23:15:58 <myname> lol
23:23:15 <oerjan> `? lol
23:23:16 <HackEgo> lol stands for laughing out legends
23:24:15 <shachaf> `dowg lol
23:24:17 <HackEgo> 2015-06-24 <oren_> le/rn lol/lol stands for laughing out legends
23:24:25 <shachaf> i don't get it
23:24:41 <oerjan> shachaf: it's probably out of your league
23:24:48 <shachaf> i get that part
23:25:06 <shachaf> it's combining, i guess, "laughing out loud" and "league of legends"
23:25:07 <shachaf> that's fine
23:25:15 <shachaf> but i don't get it
23:25:17 <oerjan> yes. you expect there to be more to it?
23:25:29 <shachaf> i expect it to not exist if that's all there is to it
23:26:08 <oerjan> shocking
23:27:26 <shachaf> `mkx le/rm//rm "wisdom/$1"
23:27:28 <HackEgo> le/rm
23:27:29 <shachaf> `le/rm lol
23:27:31 <HackEgo> No output.
23:28:00 <shachaf> `ln -sf ../bin/forget le/rm
23:28:01 <HackEgo> ln: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ln --help' for more information.
23:28:05 <shachaf> `` ln -sf ../bin/forget le/rm
23:28:07 <HackEgo> No output.
23:28:19 <shachaf> `le/rm lol
23:28:19 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `wisdom/lol': No such file or directory \ Forget what?
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23:35:36 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 0
23:35:38 <HackEgo> hax0r//hax0r (see ¯\(°​_o)/¯)
23:35:46 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 1
23:35:47 <HackEgo> 1*1//1*1 is two.
23:35:49 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 2
23:35:50 <HackEgo> ais523//Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good.
23:36:07 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 3
23:36:08 <HackEgo> usb3//USB3 hosts are packaged with a full independent implementation of the older USB/USB2, going through separate pins in the same socket. It is similar to DVI, except you need a separate passive converter stub to plug VGA monitor to DVI socket, but you don't need one to plug a USB client to an USB3 host.
23:36:30 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 4
23:36:31 <HackEgo> 4chan//4chan is twice as loud as stereo.
23:36:35 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 5
23:36:36 <HackEgo> md5//MD5 is a hash algorithm mainly used by underdeveloped aliens.
23:36:42 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 6
23:36:43 <HackEgo> 2600//2600 Hz is the tone made by Captain Crunch's whistle.
23:36:48 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 7
23:36:49 <HackEgo> 1337//1337 15 50 905
23:36:52 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 8
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23:36:54 <HackEgo> footnote 8//Isn't it fun reading through all the footnotes?
23:36:59 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 9
23:37:00 <HackEgo> hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2//hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2
23:37:05 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 10
23:37:06 <HackEgo> cat: : No such file or directory \ //
23:37:10 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 11
23:37:12 <HackEgo> cat: : No such file or directory \ //
23:37:14 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 12
23:37:15 <HackEgo> hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2//hash 2346ad27d7568ba9896f1b7da6b5991251debdf2
23:37:19 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 13
23:37:20 <HackEgo> 1337//1337 15 50 905
23:37:24 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom 14
23:37:25 <HackEgo> cat: : No such file or directory \ //
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23:37:55 <shachaf> Please stop spamming.
23:38:20 <shachaf> Not just right now but in general.
23:38:22 * oerjan wonders if that 905 is meaningless or not
23:38:53 <shachaf> `dowg 1337
23:38:54 <HackEgo> 2015-11-23 <oerjan> learn 1337 15 50 905
23:39:00 <shachaf> don't we all
23:39:04 <oerjan> i was a bit surprised that it got through all digits without repeating a wisdom
23:39:32 <oerjan> shachaf: i suppose we'll never know, then.
23:40:02 <shachaf> `? effilry
23:40:03 <HackEgo> Effilry is eemnoos how ahs got it all deorst otu.
23:40:34 <fizzie> I find that "cat: : No such file or directory \ //" behavior on error a little... less polished. Needs more PE.
23:41:15 <shachaf> PE?
23:41:21 <fizzie> shachaf: Product excellence.
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23:41:42 <Moonythedwarf> hi hppavilion[1]
23:42:07 <hppavilion[1]> Helloon
23:42:22 <oerjan> `hoag bin/wisdom
23:42:24 <HackEgo> ​<izabera> ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); { echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; } | rnooodl\' > bin/wisdom \ <izabera> ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//" | rnooodl; rnooodl < "$f"\' > bin/wisdom \ <izabera> ` echo \'f=$(find wisdom -
23:42:32 <hppavilion[1]> I seem to have dropped out of a spiel I was in the middle of
23:42:41 <hppavilion[1]> About comparative adjectives in english
23:43:00 <oerjan> comparative adjectives are the most bester
23:43:31 <hppavilion[1]> When I first saw the words used to describe relative adjectives used by wiktionary, I saw -est is for "superlative", which I knew- it is the most adjectivial thing
23:43:42 <hppavilion[1]> But then I saw -er is for "comparative", which I'd never heard
23:44:05 <oerjan> i think that's just your problem hth
23:44:35 <hppavilion[1]> And it bugged me at first because if -er- which is for a more, but not necessarily the most, adjectivial thing- what is for a less adjectivial thing? The word "comparative" applies to any relative difference, not just increase
23:44:38 <oerjan> positive, comparative, superlative are the three used in english.
23:44:49 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Never heard positive
23:45:00 <hppavilion[1]> And then it hit me, something I'd missed my whole life: English doesn't /have/ a way to say "less"
23:45:08 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: well it's the default form so rarely noted specifically.
23:45:13 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
23:45:21 <hppavilion[1]> Sure, you can use antonyms ('bigger/smaller'), but that just doesn't feel right any more
23:45:40 <shachaf> unbigger
23:46:18 <hppavilion[1]> Especially because for more obscure adjectives, their properest antonym might not be available- so you'd have to use a propere... shit. See? Do you see the problem?
23:46:33 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Well yeah, sure
23:46:33 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: i haven't yet learned of any language which has an inflection for "less", as opposed to using an auxiliary word. but there's probably some.
23:46:46 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: It should be ALL that have inflections.
23:46:59 <hppavilion[1]> (and while we're at it, one for equal)
23:47:20 <fizzie> `` sed -i -e 's/{/if [ -n "$f" ]; then/;s/} |/else echo "that'\''s not wise"; fi |/' bin/wisdom
23:47:21 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: but it isn't. we've probably inherited this mess from PIE.
23:47:22 <HackEgo> No output.
23:47:27 <hppavilion[1]> Well yeah
23:47:51 <fizzie> `wisdom 11
23:47:52 <HackEgo> that's not wise
23:48:12 <fizzie> `wisdom forty
23:48:13 <HackEgo> forty//forty means "in a fort-like manner"
23:48:22 <fizzie> That's at least a little better.
23:48:24 <oerjan> `wisdom taneb
23:48:25 <HackEgo> tanebventory//The Tanebventory is big. Really big. For one thing, it contains a Hilbert hotel.
23:48:28 <hppavilion[1]> You can say "Your house is big" and "this cavern is big", but are they /equally/ big?
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23:48:45 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom taneb
23:48:46 <HackEgo> tanebventions: math//Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms.
23:48:56 <Moonythedwarf> `wisdom taneb
23:48:57 <HackEgo> people who taneb is not//elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond
23:48:59 <oerjan> `sled bin/wisdom//s/that/That/;s/wise/wise./
23:49:01 <HackEgo> bin/wisdom//f=$(find wisdom -ipath "wisdom/*$1*" -type f -print0 | shuf -z -n1); if [ -n "$f" ]; then echo -n "${f#wisdom/}//"; cat "$f"; else echo "That's not wise."; fi | rnooodl
23:49:51 <shachaf> `` rgrep -li really wisdom
23:49:58 <HackEgo> wisdom/zygohistomorphic prepromorphism \ wisdom/piet \ wisdom/oklopol \ wisdom/tanebventory \ wisdom/god's number \ wisdom/vorpal \ wisdom/inory
23:50:11 <izalove> `? god's number
23:50:12 <HackEgo> God's number is the maximum number of moves a Rubik's cube can require to solve. It is equal to 20. No, really. Look it up.
23:50:16 <izalove> boring
23:50:24 <shachaf> `? vorpal
23:50:25 <HackEgo> Vorpal writes software for boring machines. Really big ones.
23:50:38 <shachaf> boring
23:50:44 <hppavilion[1]> (Oh, what the hell. We need ALL the equalities and inequalities)
23:50:53 <oerjan> actually come to think of it, i don't know any language inflections for comparison that aren't the indo-european ones.
23:51:14 <izalove> i think most people either know what god's number is, or expect quarter turn metrics
23:51:21 <izalove> in which case god's number is 24
23:51:22 <oerjan> ...scratch that, i know hungarian. which afaik also has 3 levels.
23:51:39 <shachaf> You know Hungarian?
23:51:41 <oerjan> (-bb, leg-...-bb)
23:51:48 <Moonythedwarf> thats not vorpal, this is vorpal: https://github.com/dthree/vorpal
23:51:54 <oerjan> shachaf: well the affixes for comparison, anyway.
23:51:59 <izalove> ah no it's 26 in qtm
23:52:09 <shachaf> quan tum mechanics
23:52:09 <oerjan> and some other cruft.
23:52:15 <shachaf> `? oerjan
23:52:16 <HackEgo> Your mysterious evil overlord kommisjonær immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
23:52:18 <izalove> shachaf: quarter turn metrics
23:52:24 -!- digin4 has joined.
23:52:43 <shachaf> `slwd oerjan//s#overlord kommisjonær#hungarian oerlord#
23:52:45 <HackEgo> wisdom/oerjan//Your mysterious evil hungarian oerlord immoritus oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a Precambrian Norwegian who mildly dislikes Roald Dahl with a pasjon. Lately when he tries to remember a word, "amortized" pops up. His arch-nemesis is Betty Crocker. He sometimes puns without noticing it.
23:53:37 <fizzie> oerjan: There's the "-ish" adjectival inflection, that's a little like "less". Big, bigger, biggest -- but just moderately biggish.
23:54:23 <shachaf> Well, of course there are diminutives and things.
23:54:29 <shachaf> But those aren't used for comparison.
23:55:55 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: anyway as for using antonyms, did you know russian has an entire inflection category (verb aspect) that is _always_ formed by changing to a distinct verb? and although it's often done with some prefix, it's not predictable which one.
23:59:21 <hppavilion[1]> ("x is adj-er than y" is x > y; "x is the adj-est X" is max(X) = x; additional inflections must be added for: x < y; min(X) = x; x ≤ y; x ≥ y x ≪ y; x ≫ y; x = y; x ≠ y; x ≈ y; x ≉ y; x ≡ y; x := y; x ≟ y ("x isn't even related to y what the hell are you talking about"))
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