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00:05:29 <shachaf> fizzie: When in Oct did you say you'll be here?
00:06:24 <moonythedwarf> ~>pyc print 1+1
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00:19:15 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( Can currency be modeled as stock in itself? As in, can ¤5 be thought of as 5 shares in the Generic Currency corporation? )
00:20:11 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, Gold has a currency code (XAU)
00:20:25 <shachaf> Why stock?
00:20:45 <shachaf> It's a financial instrument like any other, but not part ownership of a company.
00:22:02 <pikhq> Fun fact: all elements have a systemic currency code.
00:22:12 <pikhq> Though not used at all, hydrogen is XH
00:22:30 <shachaf> `? fun fact
00:22:31 <HackEgo> fun fact 0 = 1 | fact n = n * fact (n - 1)
00:22:41 <pikhq> 1 XH is, of course, one troy ounce of hydrogen.
00:25:06 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: I think hydrogen would probably be XXH to keep the length-3 part consistent
00:25:10 <hppavilion[1]> Though what about xenon...
00:25:29 <pikhq> Thankfully, there is no element E.
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00:25:51 <shachaf> yet
00:25:53 <hppavilion[1]> That would make it XXE, which- while unambiguous (no element 'E')- is still going to trip someone up who knows the X
00:26:09 <pikhq> Though arguably one could say that "e" is for an electron, and XXE is from 1 troy ounce of electrons.
00:26:21 <hppavilion[1]> (Really, the X should be after the element- gold is XAU, xenon is XEX, etc.)
00:26:46 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Do troy ounces even apply to gases?
00:26:54 <hppavilion[1]> s/XAU/AUX/
00:27:07 <pikhq> Sure they do. It's used as a unit of mass, and gasses have mass.
00:27:17 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: There, you fixed my messupery of their system
00:27:32 <pikhq> Mind, there aren't many cases where you even have electrons out of an atom, but... 1 troy ounce of electrons seems fun.
00:27:33 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Yeah, but not a very consistent density (unlike, say, Iron or Water)
00:27:39 <pikhq> *nod*
00:28:16 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: What's the value of 1 troy ounce of salt (ClNa)?
00:29:35 <pikhq> Um, good question.
00:30:18 <hppavilion[1]> My best guess is that there's an extension for compounds- most likely, XCM(<code>)
00:33:38 <hppavilion[1]> (Maybe elements should be E[symbol-caps] rather than X__, so that X can be used for cryptocurrencies and such)
00:34:13 <hppavilion[1]> (At the moment, BTC for Bitcoin is considered bad because currency codes are [Nation][Letter], but BT is Bhutan, which Bitcoin is not associated with)
00:35:30 <Phantom__Hoover> bhutancoin
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00:35:56 <hppavilion[2]> Dammit, wifi
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00:36:14 <hppavilion[1]> There
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01:01:47 <hppavilion[1]> Bananas are berries...
01:01:48 <hppavilion[1]> Huh...
01:12:46 * hppavilion[1] . o O ( Maybe payment should actually be issued in man-hours rather than real hours- if you work at double pace, you get double pay )
01:14:21 <shachaf> i,i and women would get paid 40% more?
01:15:08 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: ...wat?
01:15:18 <hppavilion[1]> (This better not be a wage-gap joke...)
01:15:28 <shachaf> > 1/0.7
01:15:30 <lambdabot> 1.4285714285714286
01:16:32 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: Under this system, women get paid by productiveness. If a woman produces twice as much output as a man doing equal work, she gets paid twice as much
01:19:10 <hppavilion[1]> (Now, in a mythical man-hour scenario this is bad when management decides to approximate; "oh, we added another person to the staff (from a staff of 1) but productivity is only 1.5* greater? Everyone receives a 25% pay dock, then.")
01:24:13 <hppavilion[1]> I've tried to explain to my mother before- who got acupuncture- that acupuncture is pseudoscience
01:24:34 <hppavilion[1]> Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture is telling me that it /usually/ is, EXCEPT it might be effective for chemotherapy
01:24:38 <hppavilion[1]> Which is why she got it
01:24:40 <hppavilion[1]> DAMMIT, MOM!
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01:26:10 <FreeFull> Productivity is hard to quantify anyway, depending on what your job is
01:27:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Emmental]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49740&oldid=49739 * Kimiyuki * (+0) /* Using the discrete log */
01:29:49 <hppavilion[1]> Do Chinese people with Synæsthesia have to develop mantis shrimp-like megavision?
01:35:32 <hppavilion[1]> (I wonder if anybody thinks I have synæsthesia from hearing me talk about hex color codes...)
01:38:23 <hppavilion[1]> (I guess hex codes are basically just symmetrical grapheme-color synæsthesia (color-grapheme-color-grapheme synæsthesia?))
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01:51:37 <hppavilion[1]> (Synæsthesia which does digits is stupid anyway; if you don't see every number as a distinct color unrelated to its digits, your brain is doing it wrong)
01:55:05 <hppavilion[1]> Dammit
01:55:21 <hppavilion[1]> Today's xkcd means I either need to support the Fashion Police or turn in my Grammar Police badge.
01:55:21 <boily> hppavellon[1].
01:55:33 <hppavilion[1]> (Fashion Police Brutality?)
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02:51:25 <hppavilion[1]> I'm attempting to make an über-concise language for talking to computers (in the sense of conversing with a strong AI, rather than a programming language)
02:52:37 <hppavilion[1]> (It could also, presumably, work well for communicating over a language barrier because it's pretty simple (for now) and should be equally easy for people in all languages to figure out- the only difficulty is if you don't recognize the punctuation (e.g. you don't know ? usually ends a question)
02:52:40 <hppavilion[1]> )
02:54:21 <hppavilion[1]> Trying to decide whether the standard initial greeting (the "are you there") should be ENQ or PING (ACK could maybe also be used)
03:26:18 <zzo38> What is best algorithm for converting a code with goto commands so that it doesn't use goto?
03:30:25 <shachaf> Why do you want to do that?
03:31:15 <zzo38> Mainly in order to compile the code into programming languages that don't have goto.
03:36:46 <shachaf> That depends on what those languages do have.
03:39:38 <zzo38> Most will have if and while, at least, as well as continue and break. JavaScript has a few more than just that, but it would be good to have something that can be use even if the target is not JavaScript but does have if/while/break at least.
03:53:19 <zzo38> My "OAA" compiler for the OASYS text adventure system as it turns out is using "twigils" a bit similar to Perl 6, although I invented it independently. This means that variables never need to be declared. By the prefix and suffix, you can tell if it is a global, local, property, class, method, etc; and the data type (or returned data type for a method) such as integer, string, object, pointer, or void.
03:56:46 <zzo38> It is different than Perl or BASIC though. In BASIC it uses suffixes for data type, and no prefix. Also, the letters forming the name are still required. In OAA the letters forming the name are not required, but the prefix & ! , . % * is required. Do you like this?
04:02:16 <zzo38> Is there a kind of indexing system for JSON data so that you can access JSON data from a program without having to store the entire data in RAM all at once?
04:08:26 <\oren\> Ok! now I've made some progress toward hangul!
04:10:07 <\oren\> zzo38: not that I know of, but you could make one
04:11:11 <\oren\> I think you'd have to regenerate the index after all changes
04:13:15 <zzo38> Yes, also I mean not only local index but also use of remote index.
04:17:40 <\oren\> Hmm, well maybe it's possible to dynamically generate a relational database from a json file?
04:17:56 <\oren\> by autodetecting schemata?
04:21:31 <zzo38> You can make a SQL database from JSON data, but that isn't quite what I was asking here.
04:38:14 <hppavilion[1]> "Oppression is what happens when personal preference becomes legal fact." -- me, just now
04:38:52 <zzo38> O, OK.
04:39:29 <zzo38> You may be right.
04:40:49 <hppavilion[1]> I know a guy name Jazon. I assume he stores attribute-value-style data in JZON.
04:42:42 <hppavilion[1]> (In germany, OTOH, they use JẞON
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04:52:26 <hppavilion[1]> Italic type is OK, but I really want my typefaces to support Cilati type too...
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05:03:11 <hppavilion[1]> I'm slowly building an information-dense, impenetrable language for communication
05:03:13 <hppavilion[1]> ?['cat'].ü ↠ ?[id];;
05:03:13 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
05:03:19 <hppavilion[1]> Whoops
05:03:22 <hppavilion[1]> Sorry, lambdy
05:17:32 <hppavilion[1]> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Apples.jpg has been used with the note that the objects aren't ravens and ALSO aren't black
05:27:45 <\oren\> holy crap http://archive.is/FXcao <-- Paul Combetta was outright TOLD by the people he asked about redacting emails, that this would be a discorvery nightmare
05:28:18 <\oren\> worse than discovery, is congressional oversight
05:28:54 <Elronnd> who is paul combetta and what did he do?
05:29:03 <\oren\> Elronnd: deleted hillary's emails
05:29:03 <Elronnd> I have a tendency to be out of the loop on a lot of things
05:29:15 <Elronnd> I see
05:29:30 <\oren\> he asked on reddit how to remove someone's address from an email archive
05:29:45 <Elronnd> tbh I don't understand all the hillary hate
05:30:01 <Elronnd> if I worked for the government, I wouldn't want them knowing what I emailed who
05:30:31 <\oren\> Elronnd: well, the government is supposed to be responsible for their actions
05:30:36 <Elronnd> I mean, obviously if I email bob from the NSA, bob knows I emailed him; but if I email joe, I don't want bob to know about *that*
05:31:19 <\oren\> and there are laws in the US that say essentially that their legistlature has the right to know everything that the government does
05:31:45 <\oren\> so hillary is not supposed to hide these emails
05:32:23 <Elronnd> and that's why I don't want to work for the us government
05:32:57 <\oren\> me neither. but if you work in any company it is important to keep emails archived in case of discovery
05:33:36 <\oren\> it's also why you should always have a separate work email and personal email
05:33:44 <\oren\> (which hillary did not have)
05:33:44 <zzo38> Yes you should have.
05:35:35 <zzo38> If you want to write personal email messages you should have a separate account which the government and so on does not see. If you need government email then you should be according to the law of government and ensure that anyone can sue them over it if it is wrong.
05:35:48 <Elronnd> I suppose
05:36:22 <Elronnd> at one point I made the realisation that a computer was a real virtual machine
05:36:30 <Elronnd> then I realized how stupid that realization was
05:37:26 <\oren\> Elronnd: in case you're unfamiliar, "discovery" is a process where two companies suing each other get to request documents from each other to uncover evidence of wrongdoing
05:37:48 <zzo38> O, so it is like what I mentioned.
05:39:21 <\oren\> if you delete work emails, you can be fined or worse
05:39:49 <\oren\> so always make sure not to mmkay?
05:40:23 <Elronnd> deletin's bad, mkuuuy?
05:41:04 <zzo38> Do you think this API would be good? http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/simple_js_addons
05:46:09 <Elronnd> I'm bored
05:46:24 <Elronnd> someone give me a wikipedia article to start perusing and go down a rabbit hole of links
05:47:33 <zzo38> Elronnd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
05:47:48 <hppavilion[1]> OMG, they asked how to delete the emails on StackExchange!?
05:48:39 <hppavilion[1]> Oh, it's reddit
05:48:42 <hppavilion[1]> But still
05:48:42 <hppavilion[1]> !?
05:54:49 <hppavilion[1]> Men o' War should be classified as "Distributed Organisms"
05:58:49 <\oren\> I got "Distillation"
06:03:13 <\oren\> some editing tasks are more suited to ed, others to nano
06:03:35 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: What's the *n?x equivalent of microsoft word?
06:03:58 <hppavilion[1]> (as in, sed:NotePad::?:Word)
06:05:27 <\oren\> uh, i suppose LibreOffice?
06:05:36 <shachaf> zzo38: But I heard the government can see all your email.
06:06:21 <\oren\> shachaf: nah, based on the problems they've had with hillarys' I think the nsa's spying is not actually as extensive as they claim
06:06:43 <shachaf> Why do people say "Hillary" instead of "Clinton"?
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06:06:57 <\oren\> shachaf: to avoid confusing her with bill clinton
06:07:12 <shachaf> What about the president after Bill Clinton?
06:07:34 <\oren\> also her campaign generally refers to her as hillary or just "Her"
06:08:04 <hppavilion[1]> And 'Hillary' is a fun name
06:08:06 <\oren\> the president after bill clinton was Bubya
06:08:10 <\oren\> Dubya
06:08:27 <\oren\> George Dubya bush
06:08:37 <hppavilion[1]> (If "Hillary" can be abbreviated to "Hill" and "Rob" can become "Bob", can we make "Hillary" abbreviable to "Bill"?)
06:08:45 <\oren\> as opposed to papa bush
06:08:47 <hppavilion[1]> Dubya
06:08:53 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Bush I
06:09:44 <\oren\> the movie about dubya was just called "W"
06:10:03 <shachaf> @google president bush
06:10:05 <lambdabot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
06:10:16 <\oren\> gearge aitch dubya bush was his father
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06:19:15 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: No, H. W. ("eych dubya")
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06:25:13 <hppavilion[1]> George -> Gearge -> Jarj - Jar Jar Bush
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06:45:10 <hppavilion[1]> If the president dies, the vice president ascends
06:45:22 <hppavilion[1]> If both die, the Speaker of the House ascends
06:46:07 <hppavilion[1]> If he dies too, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate ascends
06:46:50 <hppavilion[1]> Followed by the cabinet (of which one member is kept at a secure undisclosed location whenever the rest are in the same place at the same time- the "Designated Survivor")
06:49:24 <pikhq> I'm afraid it's nowhere near as interesting as the line of succession for the Queen, which these days likely includes most of the population of Europe.
06:51:24 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: What about all the catholics?
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06:51:52 <hppavilion[1]> Now, if the Designated Survivor has a heart attack, but the House is still around, they can elect a speaker who then becomes president
06:51:58 <pikhq> Ah, right. Includes *substantial portions* of the population of Europe.
06:52:10 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Also all the bastards
06:52:18 <hppavilion[1]> If they're gone too, the Senate chooses a President pro Tempore
06:52:33 <pikhq> While it's certainly not the case that all of Europe is Catholic, there's certainly a lot of Catholics there.
06:52:49 <hppavilion[1]> (And I think the rule is that you're cut off completely- if the crown can only get to you through a catholic, you're screwed. Or maybe that's just for bastardry)
06:52:56 <pikhq> As you might expect for a set of places that includes a Catholic theocracy.
06:53:03 <pikhq> hppavilion[1]: Just for bastardry.
06:53:08 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: Ah
06:53:17 <hppavilion[1]> Now, if there IS no senate, the governors can appoint senators
06:53:31 <pikhq> Being Catholic apparently doesn't cut you off from giving rise to heirs, just prevents you from yourself being an heir.
06:53:39 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
06:54:01 <hppavilion[1]> So to properly break the country, you'd have to kill the president, vice president, every representative, every senator, AND every governor at the same time
06:54:15 <hppavilion[1]> And presumably you'd have to break the governor's line of succession in EVERY state.
06:55:29 <pikhq> Specifically, the law states, and I shit you not, anyone who is Catholic in the line of succession is "naturally dead".
06:55:39 <hppavilion[1]> Yep
06:55:40 <pikhq> (for purposes of succession)
06:55:42 <hppavilion[1]> "naturally dead"
06:56:51 <hppavilion[1]> So the lieutenant governor, and- just to be sure because rules vary- the President of the Senate, the entire Cabinet, Speaker of the House, and anybody who can make new ones (so the entire state Senate and state House)
06:56:57 <hppavilion[1]> They all have to die too
06:57:15 <hppavilion[1]> And once you've killed these 10,000+ people at the same time, we're FINALLY screwed
06:57:23 <hppavilion[1]> But we probably have much bigger problems LONG before this
06:58:33 <pikhq> However, there is a workaround for this. I'm pretty sure we could still hold a Constitutional Convention to make an amendment to add someone else to the succession.
07:00:34 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: And who will convene?
07:00:56 <pikhq> "The States".
07:02:02 <pikhq> One still needs 2/3rds of the states to have functioning legislatures though.
07:02:37 <pikhq> Hrm. Wait.
07:02:46 <pikhq> 2/3rds of the states may ask Congress for a convention.
07:02:50 <pikhq> Congress... still has to exist.
07:03:22 <pikhq> That'd be a bit of a mess.
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07:06:31 <hppavilion[1]> pikhq: So what would happen?
07:06:35 <hppavilion[1]> Only one way to find out!
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07:13:41 <izalove> https://imgur.com/r/baduk is there a name for this kind of thing?
07:13:50 <izalove> that kind of collection of pictures
07:13:52 <izalove> on imgur
07:13:55 <izalove> linked to a subreddit
07:14:20 <izalove> i need the name to find it in the imgur api
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07:38:23 <\oren\> pikhq: that's why they need to catch and destroy the fifth column before they can grow to a strength capable of such an attack
07:41:38 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaikbWebnkk
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08:08:20 <wob_jonas> hppavilion[1]: about the line of succession for the president, there's actually a pretty good reason for why that's needed now, since 2010-04 when Lech Kaczyński and a large part of the government of Poland died at the same time from a crashed airplane.
08:10:35 <wob_jonas> It gets even easier if someone wants to deliberately kill members of the government. Mind you, in the 21st century it might get more difficult if members of government eventually get to the habit of just staying at home and teleconferencing with each other (each wearing the top half of an elegant suit because the camera doesn't show their legs) in
08:10:35 <wob_jonas> stead of traveling to meet in person.
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09:18:38 <wob_jonas> The letter e key on this keyboard is repeatedly getting stuck again, so I'm glad I already ordered a new keyboard. I hope it will arrive soon.
09:20:39 <wob_jonas> It has an unusual layout by the way: on the left half it's like a standard 104 key layout so there's no extra key between the letter z and the left shift, but on the right it's like a 105 key layout so the enter key is upside down L-shaped and the backslash key is between the apostrophe and the bottom part of the enter key.
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10:11:44 <oerjan> long time noily see
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10:19:13 <boily> hellørjan!
10:19:18 <boily> I exist!
10:19:30 <oerjan> occasionally!
10:20:13 * boily pokes himself. pretty sure I'm quite solid and substantial.
10:21:36 * oerjan aims a neutrino beam at boily. nope, no substance detected...
10:22:18 <boily> I just happened to be on vacation. perhaps the kimchi unsubstantiated me?
10:22:34 <oerjan> sounds logical.
10:22:54 <oerjan> i shall continue to avoid korean food, then.
10:24:39 <oerjan> then i assume it was a seoulful experience.
10:31:16 <boily> I'm already missing the food over there. it was delicious...
10:31:30 * boily thwacks oerjan. 0.9 shachafs.
10:32:01 <oerjan> need to get you back in mapole shape, you know.
10:32:54 <boily> I'm not yet quite synchronized with my current timezone.
10:33:25 <oerjan> i almost am! for once.
10:33:43 <oerjan> well, in a couple days, maybe.
10:37:29 <oerjan> @tell gamemanj <gamemanj> I do not recommend posting these estimates into IRC. <-- approx. 5 seconds after she actually started singing hth
10:37:29 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
10:37:46 <boily> we had a singer in this chännel?
10:37:56 <oerjan> no, on youtube, linked by \oren\
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11:12:14 <int-e> o sole mio
11:12:29 <izalove> wat
11:13:03 <int-e> do re mi fa sol la ti do!
11:13:31 <boily> int-ello, izellove.
11:13:42 <izalove> int-e: s/ti/si/
11:13:46 <boily> do ré mi fa sol la si do.
11:13:50 <izalove> helloily
11:14:07 <int-e> izalove: there are several versions of this
11:14:18 <izalove> sure but they're wrong
11:18:18 <int-e> Wow, someone sanitized the topic. Now where do I put my "The opinionated channel."? I'll just let it float here, I guess.
11:19:06 -!- izalove has set topic: free space for advertising.
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11:24:23 <int-e> wooo I'm scared!!!1 "Failure to complete your site submission may result in the cancellation of this offer, making it difficult for your customers to locate you on the web." [this is a spam mail directed at domain registrant, some SEO thing maybe but it's using a surprising level of fear instead of new and shiny for selling its services... sample: http://www.uia.org/content/1346 )
11:24:40 -!- oerjan has set topic: The Global Hub for Esoteric Programming Language Design and Sanity | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
11:24:47 -!- izalove has set topic: hi i'm oerjan knoxville welcome to jackass.
11:24:57 <int-e> (and of course it's quite possible that they offer no service at all)
11:25:36 <oerjan> izalove: don't remove the links. especially not the log links, they're mandated by freenode.
11:25:59 -!- oerjan has set topic: http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
11:26:26 <int-e> oh, topic golfing
11:26:43 -!- izalove has set topic: fuck the sisters ehrm i mean the system.
11:27:40 -!- int-e has set topic: http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
11:28:32 -!- izalove has set topic: links available at http://goatse.info/.
11:28:35 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan.
11:28:38 <izalove> aww
11:28:43 <Hoolootwo> what do you mean that the logs are mandated by freenode? I'm on other channels without log links
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11:28:48 <izalove> killjoy
11:29:06 -!- oerjan has set topic: The Global Hub for Esoteric Programming Language Design and Sanity | http://esolangs.org/ | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf.
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11:29:15 <izalove> you're no fun at all
11:29:15 <int-e> izalove: no, you killed that particular fun right there
11:29:44 <Hoolootwo> goatse'ing people is pretty much universally evil and bad
11:29:55 <Hoolootwo> we try to stay away from evil stuff here
11:29:57 <int-e> I thought that site was dead
11:30:07 <Hoolootwo> idk, I'm not clicking it
11:30:36 <oerjan> Hoolootwo: if the channel is publicly logged, it must be noted in the channel topic.
11:30:39 <izalove> i don't think anyone in this channel was tech savvy enough to know that link
11:30:46 <izalove> err
11:30:53 <izalove> i thought anyone in this channel was tech savvy enough to know that link
11:31:00 <Hoolootwo> ah okay, that makes sense
11:31:48 <Hoolootwo> izalove, you'd hope, but that is really not at all the topic of discussion here ever and doesn't belong in a topic
11:31:57 <Hoolootwo> but idk, I'm not an op
11:32:31 <oerjan> fwiw i hadn't even noticed the goatse link when i decided i'd put +t if izalove did it _one_ more time hth
11:32:48 <izalove> no warning?
11:32:50 <int-e> I don't think oerjan minded the link all that much... the problem was removing the other (useful, partially mandated) links even after it was explicitely stated that they should remain in the topic.
11:32:55 <izalove> oerjan: what kind of mod are you?
11:32:56 <int-e> izalove: you had plenty of warning.
11:33:01 <izalove> no i don't think so
11:33:09 <izalove> literally nobody told me to stop
11:33:14 <oerjan> izalove: i believe reverting your action counts as a warning.
11:33:38 <int-e> anyway...
11:33:58 <izalove> oerjan: would it kill you to tell people "stop doing this or i'll +t"?
11:34:04 <oerjan> izalove: i told you not to remove the links.
11:34:42 <oerjan> izalove: sorry, i was too busy resisting the temptation to just kick hth
11:38:22 <oerjan> but seriously, when you're obviously willfully irritating people getting warned is a privilege, not a right.
11:38:34 <oerjan> now shave ->
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13:41:27 <moonythedwarf> doot
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13:47:14 <moonythedwarf> *hides the bodys*
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15:55:43 <izalove> `unidecode ⍝
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16:56:13 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Tdjc8An5w
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17:26:44 <fizzie> shachaf: I think it was a week around the 20th or so, can't quite recall.
17:27:05 <fizzie> I'm in Italy for an offsite now.
17:28:13 <fizzie> There's someone new to the team starting today, must be a nice way to welcome them with everyone else in Italy having fun.
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17:47:14 <izalove> fizzie: where you at?
17:47:43 <Taneb> It's been a long time since I've been in Italy... coming up to a month and a half
17:50:17 <shachaf> I think I haven't been to Italy for almost two decades.
17:50:35 <Taneb> shachaf, you should fix that
17:50:46 <Taneb> Maybe you should go to Italy the next time I'm in California!
17:50:57 <shachaf> Why?
17:51:12 <Taneb> Because Italy is lovely
17:51:18 <shachaf> I think I need to be here to give you bad Magic: The Gathering cards.
17:51:36 <fizzie> izalove: Somewhere around Lake Garda.
17:52:02 <izalove> nice
17:52:04 <fizzie> Near-ish Verona.
17:52:05 <izalove> go to gardaland
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17:52:26 <fizzie> I saw Gardaland, it was one of the activities for today.
17:52:50 <izalove> ??? why did you leave?
17:53:30 <izalove> not staying the whole day at gardaland? what kind of sick perversion is this?
17:53:32 <fizzie> I went on a boat trip to Isola del Garda instead.
17:53:37 <izalove> whaaaaat
17:53:41 <izalove> you're crazy
17:53:46 <fizzie> I mean, I saw it from a bus, driving by.
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17:55:09 <izalove> so sorry for you
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18:24:38 <izalove> i have a list with n words. what's the complexity of finding all the words with damerau levenshtein distance at most k from a certain word?
18:26:39 <Taneb> I *want* to say O(n), or O(n*m) where m is the average word length, but I'm not sure
18:27:11 <izalove> O(n) means you can compute the distance in O(1)
18:28:41 <Taneb> If all the words are the same length, it'd be O(m) with constant m
18:28:51 <Taneb> Or O(f(m))
18:29:08 <Taneb> Effectively constant, nonetheless, assuming it's only the number of words you're varying
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18:37:07 <quintopia> izalove: pretty slow if k>1, even with lots of memory and fast memoization
18:37:30 <izalove> O(lots) ok
18:39:22 <quintopia> It has been shown that the Levenshtein distance of two strings of length n cannot be computed in time O(n2 - ε) unless the strong exponential time hypothesis is false.
18:39:37 <quintopia> n^2 should be
18:40:18 <quintopia> which says its like O(n*m^2)
18:41:39 <quintopia> there are some optimizations of course, where you stop trying to find the distance as soon as it exceeds k
18:42:08 <quintopia> but that doesnt affect the worst case
18:47:08 <quintopia> but lets just say ive actually tried to do this on a very long list and it took days.
18:48:11 <izalove> :)
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19:20:04 <izalove> if i have two 20 characters strings
19:20:11 <izalove> and their distance is at most 5
19:20:25 <izalove> how many characters are in the correct order?
19:22:14 <izalove> ignore that, it doesn't make things simpler
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23:00:35 <\oren\> ARGH
23:00:56 <\oren\> shifting left by a negative number doesn't shift right! WHYYYYYY
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23:06:06 <\oren\> `cc int main(){printf("%d",0xfff<<-1);}
23:06:09 <HackEgo> 2047
23:06:40 <\oren\> hold on wat?
23:06:49 <\oren\> it works in gcc?
23:07:27 <\oren\> in tcc that writes 0
23:07:35 <olsner> pretty sure it's undefined behavior
23:07:39 <olsner> enjoy your nasal demons
23:07:41 <boily> he\\oren\, hellolsner.
23:07:50 <shachaf> `RELCOME BOILY
23:07:51 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: RELCOME: not found
23:07:53 <\oren\> `cc int main(){printf("%d",0xfff>>-1);}
23:07:54 <HackEgo> 8190
23:08:06 <boily> HELLOCHAF!!!
23:08:22 <shachaf> `welcome boily
23:08:23 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found
23:08:29 <shachaf> I thought that one was defined.
23:08:36 <shachaf> `` ls bin/**
23:08:38 <HackEgo> bin/echo \ bin/welcome
23:08:45 <shachaf> `welcome boily
23:08:46 <HackEgo> boily: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
23:09:02 <shachaf> `welcome boily
23:09:03 <HackEgo> boily: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
23:09:18 <\oren\> `wat
23:09:19 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wat: not found
23:09:21 <\oren\> `? wat
23:09:23 <HackEgo> ​ኢትዮጵያ ውስጥ የሚሰራ የምግብ አይነት ሲሆን፣ የሚሰራውም ከጤፍ ነው።
23:09:42 <\oren\> is that ethiopian or something
23:10:13 <shachaf> it's messing up my terminal, that's for sure
23:10:18 <\oren\> yeah, amharic
23:10:43 <boily> that one's mine ^^
23:12:37 <FreeFull> It isn't messing up my terminal
23:12:45 <FreeFull> Just looks mysterious
23:13:20 <FreeFull> What does it say?
23:13:31 <boily> it's the first sentence of the Amharic version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_(food)
23:14:26 <FreeFull> Ah xD
23:14:37 <FreeFull> `? wut
23:14:38 <HackEgo> wut? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:14:42 <FreeFull> `? what
23:14:43 <HackEgo> what? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
23:15:33 <\oren\> I am sooo close to figuring out what's wrong with my hangul code
23:16:13 <_46bit> Hangul sounds a marvellous name for a programming language.
23:18:18 <boily> I was in Korea. completely surrounded by hangul everywhere. it tends to grow on you after a few days...
23:18:34 <\oren\> I at least did finish the hangul jamo variants that will be used to piece together each hangul.
23:19:00 <\oren\> http://www.orenwatson.be/hangulparts.htm
23:19:02 <shachaf> boily: You got a hangul tattoo?
23:19:06 <shachaf> s/Y/y/
23:20:18 <\oren\> or did i?
23:20:20 <boily> not yet. if I get one, it probably will be the original hangul as devised by King Sejong's court.
23:20:56 <\oren\> we have two variants of each vowel, one which doesn't leave room for a final, one which does.
23:22:47 <\oren\> we have several variants of each initial consonant
23:23:37 <\oren\> but I think there are at least two variants that need to be made, for use with horizontal vowels
23:24:51 <\oren\> we already have the variants for vertical, and backwards L shaped consonants
23:25:01 <\oren\> er, vowels
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23:28:54 <boily> `relcome alakra
23:28:56 <HackEgo> alakra: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
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23:55:33 <hppavilion[1]> Wow
23:56:59 <hppavilion[1]> According to FiveThirtyEight, 3% of US adults (a larger percentage of gun owners exclusively) account for 133M out of 265M guns (265 megaguns)
23:57:20 <hppavilion[1]> By my math, each one owns slightly more than 18 on average (their numbers say 17 for some reason)
23:57:29 <hppavilion[1]> (They probably used less simplified statistics)
23:57:43 <hppavilion[1]> helloonythedwarf_
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