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00:24:10 <tswett> Next question!
00:24:20 <tswett> Is SMETANA To Infinity! as efficient as a Kolmogorov machine?
00:25:02 <shachaf> Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download has a better name
00:26:00 <myname> i recommended somebody who looked for a name to take QuickBook Support Hotline, but i guess he didn't took it
00:27:04 <shachaf> There might be a trademark issue.
00:27:28 <hppavilion[2]> myname: didn't took it?
00:27:50 <hppavilion[2]> (Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurduuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur)
00:28:20 <myname> shachaf: i don't think that's a bick issue
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01:34:26 <\oren\> some polynomials are divisible, others arent.
01:34:50 <\oren\> is the set of prime polynomials infinite?
01:34:57 <FreeFull> Yes
01:35:12 <\oren\> if so, HOW infinite?
01:35:13 <alercah> proof
01:35:19 <alercah> it contains the primes
01:35:30 <alercah> countably
01:35:40 <alercah> since polynomials are countable
01:35:56 <\oren\> no they arent
01:36:37 <alercah> wait we're not talking about integer coefficients?
01:37:06 <alercah> if you aren't, then there are no prime polynomials
01:37:13 <FreeFull> All polynomials of the form x + n where n is some constant are irreducible
01:37:59 <alercah> \oren\ didn't say irreducible
01:37:59 <FreeFull> x^2 + n for positive n is irreducible over integers and reals
01:38:12 <FreeFull> I figured that's what he meant by prime
01:38:16 <\oren\> yeah
01:38:46 <\oren\> I mean you can't express it as a multiplication of other polynomials
01:39:17 <FreeFull> The set of polynomials of finite degree is countable, if they have integer or rational coefficients
01:39:32 <hppavilion[2]> Oh my god. http://www.rsdb.org/
01:39:38 <hppavilion[2]> The Racial Slur Database
01:39:44 <hppavilion[2]> This is the greatest thing.
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01:40:06 <izalove> the world needed more racial slurs
01:40:22 <alercah> hppavilion[1]: I thought you were opposed to political correctness
01:40:35 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: Yeah, I am.
01:40:40 <alercah> \oren\: x + n = 1/2 (x + n) * 2
01:40:41 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: That's why I need http://www.rsdb.org/
01:40:47 <alercah> those are two polynomials
01:41:02 <alercah> hppavilion[1]: so you can get ammo?
01:41:08 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: Yes
01:41:25 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, strictly speaking, calling black guys "niggers" (It's OK because it's in quotes) is offensive even when PC is dropped
01:41:55 <alercah> well yes, many racial slurs are
01:42:07 <alercah> although there are some that are more PC than actual offense
01:43:55 <alercah> but for the most part they are offensive in some way
01:47:40 <pikhq> I'm pretty sure the world does not need more racial slurs.
01:47:53 <alercah> that too
01:48:21 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, this isn't a PC thing- if it was PC, it wouldn't list ones for whites
01:48:33 <alercah> .....
01:48:46 <alercah> `addquote < hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, this isn't a PC thing- if it was PC, it wouldn't list ones for whites
01:48:52 <HackEgo> 1289) < hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, this isn't a PC thing- if it was PC, it wouldn't list ones for whites
01:48:56 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: No, really.
01:49:02 <alercah> No, really.
01:49:20 <hppavilion[1]> PC in the SJW sense. They're too busy with white guilt to realize racism goes all directions.
01:50:05 <shachaf> can you be too busy with whatever you're doing to be doing this here
01:50:27 <hppavilion[1]> (Also, it lists things that aren't offensive in 'murica at all)
01:51:02 <hppavilion[1]> ...it lists "Ace of Spades" for blacks and says it's "Self Explanatory"
01:51:06 <hppavilion[1]> Am I missing something?
01:51:25 <shachaf> can you go away or stop talking
01:51:37 <shachaf> i don't want to hear about racial slurs or pc or sjw or whatever
01:51:46 <hppavilion[1]> OK
01:51:49 * hppavilion[1] shuts up
01:56:52 * moonythedwarf passes shachaf a zipper and some thread
01:57:16 <shachaf> moonythedwarf: leave me alone
01:57:36 <moonythedwarf> kk
02:07:02 <\oren\> hmm, is there an irc specifically for political flamewars
02:07:40 <\oren\> if there is, someone tell hppavilion where
02:15:24 <zzo38> I dreamt about a variant of morph in Magic: the Gathering where opponent can choose whether you want to play the card face-up or face-down, instead of your own choice.
02:15:48 <shachaf> zzo38: What cost do you pay?
02:17:33 <zzo38> I don't know; I just dreamt it. But afterward I did try to think of it but I don't know.
02:36:30 <FreeFull> One million dollars
02:39:29 <hppavilion[1]> The idea of "a culture has no word for 'war', so they can't go to war" is obviously false; really, the opposite is most likely true- cultures that are constantly at war have no word for it the same way we don't have a word for keeping your pancreas from shooting out your ears
02:40:01 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yes, if there is someone tell me
02:40:24 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Though to be fair, I just announced that I found an awesome website; alercah set off the rant
02:51:17 <tswett> Someone asked on programmers.stackexchange.com why joke programming languages exist.
02:51:25 <tswett> LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT
02:52:00 <tswett> Gregor's Answer and Proce and Combientièm and Markont and Tuesday and Slide and Al Denta and SLOBOL and SMETANA To Infinity! and BF-SC and /// and BF-PDA and Thubi and onz and Redivider.
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02:54:55 <tswett> I wonder if I should combine a bunch of my esolangs into one single mega-esolang.
02:54:57 <tswett> Hmmmmm.
02:55:32 <FreeFull> Why make jokes at all? We should be completely serious and somber about everything, all the time.
02:55:53 <FreeFull> And avoid doing anything that's not strictly necessary
02:57:01 <tswett> Yes, I agree.
02:57:19 <tswett> In particular, we should never pretend or make believe.
02:57:27 <tswett> All forms of art should be shunned.
03:04:04 <tswett> Let me take a couple of my favorite esolangs that I've created and try to remember the ideas behind them.
03:04:41 <tswett> Gregor's Answer - Inspired by the E programming language. Jobs triggered by the completion of other jobs.
03:05:53 <tswett> Proce - The program consists of a bunch of analog signals that are defined in terms of each other. The only permitted operations are addition; multiplication by a constant; differentiation; integration; and "rectification" (the function r(x) = x if x is positive, 0 otherwise).
03:08:12 <tswett> Slide - I'm having trouble describing that one. Sliding polyominoes.
03:10:45 <tswett> Al Dente - Chu spaces. Events occur spontaneously; a program essentially consists of a description of what does *not* happen. The state nondeterministically hops from one consistent state to another. Variables that have been written can never be modified again or erased.
03:11:08 <shachaf> Chu spaces?!
03:11:26 <tswett> Chu spaces.
03:12:58 <tswett> SLOBOL - An interpreter must play Go using optimal strategy.
03:13:21 <shachaf> Chu spaces are TG
03:13:36 <shachaf> `? chu spaces
03:13:38 <HackEgo> A Chu space is just a matrix. Taneb invented them, then Chu stole his invention.
03:14:12 <shachaf> Taneb: Is that true? Chu stole your invention?
03:15:04 <tswett> SMETANA To Infinity! - Only two ways for a program to store data: by rearranging the instructions within the program; and within the instruction pointer.
03:17:14 <tswett> // - One of those extremely simple but horrifyingly difficult languages. In fact, /// may be the best esolang known to mankind. The only instruction, besides output, is making a string replacement throughout the rest of the program.
03:18:40 <FreeFull> `? tanebventions
03:18:41 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, Windows 98, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, metar, weetoflakes, Tanebventions, persistence, the BBC, progress, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: math. He never invents anything involving sex.
03:18:57 <FreeFull> `? math
03:18:58 <HackEgo> Math class is tough!
03:19:05 <FreeFull> `? tanebventions: math
03:19:06 <tswett> Redivider - Inspired by the Parsec parser combinator library. The interpreter is essentially a parsing algorithm.
03:19:06 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, the reals, Lambek's lemma, pointless topology, locales, and histograms.
03:20:06 <tswett> So, let me think what my Ultimate Esolang would be like...
03:20:26 <shachaf> Is Wolfram a mathematical tanebvention?
03:20:35 <tswett> It should be nondeterministic; the program constrains the implementation rather than actually specifying what it does.
03:20:43 <tswett> shachaf: no, but mathematical tanebventions include Wolfram.
03:21:05 <tswett> It should involve analog signals. It should involve a kind of space where things move around.
03:21:41 <FreeFull> float sdTorus(vec3 p, vec2 d) { vec2 q = length(p.xz - d.x, p.y); return length(q) - d.y; }
03:21:48 <FreeFull> Tanebvention ^
03:22:54 <tswett> The implementation should be required to solve some type of problem. And programs should be self-modifying.
03:23:34 <tswett> Problem solving and nondeterminism can go hand-in-hand. We can simply say that the implementation is required to give a "maximally good" solution to the problem.
03:24:43 <tswett> Analog signals, spaces where things move around, and self-modifying programs. All that strongly suggests one thing.
03:25:19 <FreeFull> Bonus points to anybody who figures out what that function actually does
03:25:31 <tswett> Systems evolving according to differential equations, such as the Gray-Scott model.
03:26:21 <FreeFull> tswett: How about given a gray-scott model simulation, the implementation has to sample the simulation periodically, and interpret that as instructions?
03:26:25 <FreeFull> And the program is the initial state
03:27:46 <FreeFull> It'd be rather hard to make it do something useful =P
03:48:50 <hppavilion[1]> Chu spaces.
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05:05:04 <zzo38> Bacon cipher for steganography has its own 5-bit code for an old version of English alphabet; this was probably before Baudot coding was invented. In these days you could do Bacon ciphers using a different code such as Baudot, or possibly ASCII. Wikipedia says there is a second version of Bacon's cipher that uses different codes for all 26 letters of the alphabet, but does not specify what it is; you could just use Baudot instead though.
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05:46:16 <izabera> did i die?
05:46:30 <izabera> or did anyone die?
05:46:44 <zzo38> I think you did not die quite yet.
05:46:52 <zzo38> Otherwise you cannot type on computer if you are dead OK
05:47:15 <izabera> thanks that's a very useful answer
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05:53:35 <zzo38> I read the SMETANA To Infinity! I like that kind of ideas. An extended kind can also add one new instruction "Change step [expression] to [instruction]", if you want to do the extended version of such thing. Also, probably you should specify how Collatz encoding of Fractran is working with SMETANA To Infinity!
05:54:24 <shachaf> zzo38: Do you like pooches?
05:54:44 <zzo38> I don't know
05:55:11 <shachaf> "pooch" means "dog"
05:55:44 <hppavilion[2]> What is THE one true pairing?
05:55:53 <zzo38> Still it wouldn't say
05:55:54 <\oren\> `unicode 27a3
05:55:54 <HackEgo> ​➣
05:55:59 <\oren\> `unicode D7a3
05:55:59 <HackEgo> ​힣
05:57:41 <\oren\> hppavilion[2]: the one true pairing is obviously dumbledore x grindelwald /s
05:58:13 <hppavilion[2]> Ah, yes
06:00:52 <hppavilion[2]> If I ever get married, I'm eloping.
06:01:35 <\oren\> `unicode C200
06:01:35 <HackEgo> ​숀
06:01:39 <\oren\> `unicode C000
06:01:40 <HackEgo> ​쀀
06:01:44 <\oren\> `unicode B000
06:01:45 <HackEgo> ​뀀
06:01:47 <\oren\> `unicode A000
06:01:48 <HackEgo> ​ꀀ
06:01:52 <\oren\> `unicode A800
06:01:53 <HackEgo> ​ꠀ
06:02:00 <\oren\> `unicode AC00
06:02:01 <HackEgo> ​가
06:02:53 <\oren\> `unicode A7FF
06:02:54 <HackEgo> ​ꟿ
06:02:59 <\oren\> oh, right
06:04:47 <shachaf> hppavilion[1] and hppavilion[2]
06:05:11 * hppavilion[2] does not know how to respond
06:05:24 <hppavilion[2]> Is anyone in #esoteric an officiant?
06:06:30 <\oren\> > 8869+11172
06:06:33 <lambdabot> 20041
06:06:50 <\oren\> well, then, THAT is a nice number of characters to have!
06:09:42 <\oren\> now, let's try converting to TTF
06:18:33 <zzo38> How many cells of a FPGA should be needed for a Muxcomp core?
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06:29:06 <hppavilion[2]> http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/trolley-problems seems like a joke, but I'm honestly not sure
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06:53:31 <shachaf> `coins
06:53:34 <HackEgo> crafiycoin gibble-2dcoin fobcoin uncitrancoin iwhearbfcoin fcoin prolcoin constuacoin cescoin toryanawakeowncoin m-codestrovcoin eviardsodycoin aalcoin mincecoin workcoin conjungcoin unocoin addoniacoin dracoin wrefcoin
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07:14:16 <fizzie`> a-hrefcoins are based on links.
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08:25:27 <hppavilion[2]> Is a single word considered a degenerate alliteration?
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08:49:15 <izalove> wanna feel old?
08:49:17 <izalove> http://i.imgur.com/2V6dvYp.jpg
08:49:37 <izalove> this is the beginning of neon genesis evangelion
08:50:14 <myname> i think nge is overrated
08:50:29 <pikhq> Might help to have a translation for people who are unfamiliar with NGE and don't read Japanese.
08:50:30 <myname> also, remember the days when "dvd quality" meant something good?
08:50:45 <pikhq> (... granted it's pretty simple to translate.)
08:50:52 <myname> if you don't know nge, the translation won't do much
08:51:01 <pikhq> "It is the year 2015 AD"
08:51:03 <pikhq> Fair enough.
08:51:05 <pikhq> Still.
08:51:42 <myname> that's one more reason to dislike nge
08:51:50 <izalove> what reason?
08:52:11 <myname> unreasonable predictions for too near of a future
08:52:19 <izalove> -_-
08:52:35 <myname> if they had put a hundred years or so on top, i'd be okay with this
08:52:41 <izalove> it's not their fault if first impact never happened
08:52:51 <pikhq> I'm pretty sure they had no intention of making an accurate prediction of the future.
08:53:26 <myname> pikhq: they still coul've moved it farer away
08:53:49 <izalove> but then their technology would look outdated to us
08:54:11 <myname> how so?
08:54:26 <izalove> watch the first star wars trilogy
08:54:36 <myname> giant mechas are still pretty futuristic
08:54:42 <myname> i won't
08:54:48 <izalove> well ok
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08:57:22 <pikhq> Does it count if the mechas are really SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER?
08:58:20 <izalove> you mean non sentient and not that giant?
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09:00:57 <int-e> myname: well, DVDs are brilliant compared to VHS
09:01:29 <myname> well yeah, i cannot remember anyone mentioning vhs quality as a good thing
09:02:24 <pikhq> DVD is at least fairly close to the quality possible with a perfect analog TV signal.
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10:41:30 <myname> i completely forgot how farming in df worked :D
10:42:01 <myname> you need to water ground or build on appropriate ground, but other than that ...
10:42:28 <izalove> wait you mean actual farming?
10:42:42 <izalove> not like farming for some rare loot?
10:42:51 <myname> i .ean actual farming
10:43:04 <izalove> df sounds boring
10:43:13 <myname> i didn't play df in a while since i rarely use my computer now
10:43:21 <myname> izalove: what
10:43:21 <int-e> DF is single player, right?
10:43:26 <myname> yeah
10:43:37 <myname> i thought about implementing multiplayer stuff
10:43:46 <myname> but i am quite unsure on how that should work
10:44:08 <myname> izalove: df is like the greatest game ever
10:44:40 * int-e should write a script that prepends "In my opinion, " to anything izalove writes.
10:45:01 <myname> :D
10:45:24 <myname> int-e: beware, do not prepend on questions
10:46:19 <izalove> myname: there's actual farming in it
10:46:22 <izalove> i'm told
10:46:43 <myname> so? how else would you get the ingredients to brew?
10:46:52 <int-e> But that still doesn't mean that you have to watch the grass grow.
10:46:59 <myname> dorfs need beer
10:47:20 <myname> if they have to drink water, they work slower
10:47:26 <izalove> i'm sure this is just a low res version of farmville
10:47:43 <int-e> is farmville TC?
10:47:46 <myname> izalove: go watch some lets plays
10:48:16 <myname> i like the "clock" in df based on a goblin
10:48:20 <izalove> i really have better things to do than watch people play a farming game
10:48:44 <myname> izalove: either get an idea on what df actually is or don't call it things it isn't
10:49:35 <izalove> you're so fun to toy with
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11:50:36 <Jafet> > 4.4523809523809526 / 5 * 42
11:50:39 <lambdabot> 37.400000000000006
11:51:58 <Jafet> “A20® Aviation Headset is rated 4.4523809523809526 out of 5 by 42.”
11:55:10 <int-e> > 4.4523809523809526*42
11:55:12 <lambdabot> 187.0
11:55:18 <int-e> (why did you divide by 5?)
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12:03:23 <Jafet> it doesn't seem important either way. are you making much ado about epsilon?
12:04:38 <int-e> Jafet: I was trying to figure out what your point was.
12:05:29 <int-e> Maybe it was the excess accuracy
12:07:44 <Jafet> > 187 / 42
12:07:46 <lambdabot> 4.4523809523809526
12:08:32 <Jafet> now I'm wondering which web backend languages print full accuracy by default
12:08:54 <Jafet> …or full precision
12:18:53 <Jafet> looks like ruby, although java is also possible
12:19:43 <Jafet> `` ruby -e 'puts (187.0/42).to_s'
12:26:27 <Jafet> @dressages
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12:38:47 <Jafet> @tell oerjan at the risk of rapid cerebral impact for this chilly necro: I was referring to http://pizzachili.dcc.uchile.cl
12:38:47 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
12:40:49 <gamemanj> "and play with their functionalities and efficiency"... compressed indexes are the new shapes-in-holes?
12:41:31 <gamemanj> (I'm not sure why "plug and play" is a phrase when it comes to non-game things.)
12:49:04 <Jafet> well, they have proven asymptotic bounds based on input entropy, so they're like universal shapes
12:49:18 <Jafet> (universal plug and play?)
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14:35:02 <oerjan> @messages-
14:35:02 <lambdabot> Jafet said 1h 56m 15s ago: at the risk of rapid cerebral impact for this chilly necro: I was referring to http://pizzachili.dcc.uchile.cl
14:38:16 <oerjan> @tell Jafet Jafet said 1h 56m 15s ago: at the risk of rapid cerebral impact for this chilly necro: I was referring to http://pizzachili.dcc.uchile.cl <-- in this case, your cerebral impact is due to not quoting context for something i've forgotten ages ago -----###
14:38:16 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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15:37:11 <\oren\> in case anyone missed it: hangul is now in my font: http://orenwatson.be/allchars.htm
15:37:34 <myname> nice
15:38:11 <oerjan> :t cast
15:38:13 <lambdabot> (Typeable b, Typeable a) => a -> Maybe b
15:39:08 <oerjan> > fromJust (cast (?x :: ())) :: String
15:39:11 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered!
15:39:11 <lambdabot> (GHC version 8.0.1 for x86_64_unknown_linux)
15:39:19 <oerjan> hm that didn't help
15:40:22 <\oren\> but there are still a bunch of glitches I need to fix
15:41:16 <int-e> oerjan: lambdabot als has NoMonomorphismRestriction contributing to this problem
15:42:33 <oerjan> well ghci still catches it properly.
15:42:51 <int-e> yes, it's a hint problem.
15:42:51 <oerjan> *+so does ghci but
15:44:33 <oerjan> :k Some
15:44:34 <lambdabot> error:
15:44:34 <lambdabot> Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘Some’
15:44:37 <oerjan> :t Some
15:44:38 <lambdabot> error:
15:44:38 <lambdabot> • Data constructor not in scope: Some
15:44:38 <lambdabot> • Perhaps you meant variable ‘some’ (imported from Control.Applicative)
15:45:22 <oerjan> @let data Sh = forall a. Show a => Sh a
15:45:24 <lambdabot> Defined.
15:46:28 <oerjan> > let Sh y = Sh (?x :: ()) in y
15:46:30 <lambdabot> error:
15:46:30 <lambdabot> • My brain just exploded
15:46:30 <lambdabot> I can't handle pattern bindings for existential or GADT data construct...
15:46:35 <oerjan> oops
15:47:06 <oerjan> > case Sh (?x :: ()) of Sh y -> y
15:47:08 <lambdabot> error:
15:47:09 <lambdabot> • Couldn't match expected type ‘t’ with actual type ‘a’
15:47:09 <lambdabot> because type variable ‘a’ would escape its scope
15:47:21 <oerjan> > case Sh (?x :: ()) of Sh y -> show y
15:47:23 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered!
15:47:23 <lambdabot> (GHC version 8.0.1 for x86_64_unknown_linux)
15:47:26 <oerjan> bah
15:48:24 <int-e> GHC just floats the constraint out; I know of no context that would avoid that.
15:48:30 <oerjan> ah.
15:48:34 <int-e> offending code is around https://github.com/mvdan/hint/blob/master/src/Hint/Eval.hs#L52-L56
15:49:18 <int-e> it builds an expression show e (with some bells and whistles to prevent leakage on the syntax level) and assumes that the result is a String.
15:49:27 <int-e> (provided it typechecks)
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15:50:03 <int-e> no sure what to do about it.
15:50:35 <int-e> I mean I could tweak lambdabot's extensions of course
15:53:51 <oerjan> > typeOf (?x :: ())
15:53:53 <lambdabot> mueval-core: internal error: PAP object entered!
15:53:53 <lambdabot> (GHC version 8.0.1 for x86_64_unknown_linux)
15:54:07 <izalove> what's a PAP object?
15:54:37 <oerjan> izalove: partially applied function
15:54:40 <oerjan> iirc
15:54:57 <izalove> they should have called it PAF then
15:57:29 <oerjan> the P might be for payload, not sure.
15:57:44 <int-e> it's just "partial application"
15:57:48 <myname> http://havelang.org if you can't decide between python or go
15:57:50 <int-e> AP being an application.
15:58:54 <izalove> myname: so it's python with the speed of go?
15:59:17 <oerjan> oh that could be too
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16:05:19 <int-e> and "enter" corresponds to a pattern match.
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16:36:26 <oerjan> `quote 1289
16:36:27 <HackEgo> 1289) < hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, this isn't a PC thing- if it was PC, it wouldn't list ones for whites
16:36:37 <oerjan> `sled quotes//1289s/ //
16:36:41 <HackEgo> quotes//<Slereah> EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ <Quas_NaArt> Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... <Quas_NaArt> More practice is in order. \ <AnMaster> that's where I got it <AnMaster> rocket launch facility gift shop \ <Warrigal> GKennethR: he shou
16:36:44 <oerjan> `quote 1289
16:36:45 <HackEgo> 1289) <hppavilion[1]> alercah: Also, this isn't a PC thing- if it was PC, it wouldn't list ones for whites
16:37:10 <oerjan> `` grep '^< ' quotes
16:37:10 <HackEgo> No output.
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16:45:16 <zzo38> I made weight and balance calculation program in JavaScript but so far many things are missing including the plotting and tell you what the valid range for center of gravity is allowed to be.
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17:41:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[SMETANA To Infinity!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=49759&oldid=49758 * Oerjan * (+174) /* Computational class */ By Zzo38's request
17:56:43 <zzo38> Is there any good SDL binding for JavaScript?
17:56:54 <zzo38> That does not use HTML?
18:12:54 <Taneb> I do not know of any
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18:38:04 <myname> man, these farms were more complex than expected
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18:51:13 <myname> the fuck, df knows 155 kinds of seeds
18:51:29 <moonythedwarf> lol
18:51:35 <myname> i am so not implementing all of these
18:51:37 <moonythedwarf> why is that suprising?
18:51:45 <moonythedwarf> what ae you doing myname
18:51:47 <myname> 155, man
18:51:56 <myname> i am writing a df like for android
18:52:13 <moonythedwarf> ill happily test it for you ^_^
18:53:07 <myname> you cannot do that much right now. you can dig, get wood, gather plans, produce barrels and put booze in them
18:53:20 <gamemanj> 155 kinds of seeds? Must be a gardener's heaven... *thinks of masses of gardens, arranged in such a perfect way such that all the seeds contrast their neighbors...
18:53:40 <Taneb> gamemanj, it's mostly different kinds of grain
18:54:07 <myname> http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Seed
18:54:27 <myname> farms are a huge step
18:54:40 <myname> basically, i can start implementing needs after that
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19:05:46 <zzo38> I made this C header file for a JavaScript addon maker http://sprunge.us/DDbS but now I don't know how to write the proper C++ code that would provide the implementations. Do you know?
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19:06:36 <myname> that sounds so disgusting, i don't even want to look at it
19:07:26 <ais523> zzo38: is this an existing JavaScript addon maker that's widely used? or a new one?
19:07:43 <zzo38> No, I need to make up a new one.
19:07:51 <zzo38> There are others but they don't work so well
19:08:04 <ais523> if you want the header file to allow C++ and C programs to communicate, you need to use an extern "C" { wrapper around the implementations
19:08:25 <ais523> otherwise, the C++ linker will be looking for a function called "js_value* js_array(js_context *, int argc, js_value **)"
19:08:39 <ais523> but the C linker will be trying to call it just "js_array"
19:08:40 <ais523> and they won't be able to communicate correctly
19:08:42 <zzo38> Oops I forgot one thing, which is for the library to link back into the implementations of these functions. (SQLite does it by providing a structure that lists all of them.)
19:08:48 <gamemanj> Just... what does this mean...
19:08:59 <int-e> does C accept extern "C" {? I thought it should be conditional on the language...
19:09:01 <zzo38> ais523: I know that, but the C++ code can place extern "C" around the #include command for this isn't it?
19:09:08 <ais523> int-e: it doesn't, you need a conditional comment
19:09:25 <ais523> zzo38: as long as you don't include any other header files from that header, it'd work I think
19:09:47 <zzo38> Well, you can see that it doesn't including anything else from that header.
19:10:31 <ais523> right
19:10:41 <ais523> but the person using the header would need to look at the header's source code or documentation to know that
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19:11:01 <ais523> in general if you want a file to be used, it helps to reduce the number of assumptions its users need to make
19:11:15 <zzo38> ais523: Only the implementation of the functions listed in the header are written in C++ though; other programs that include it are written in C and therefore don't need extern "C"
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19:11:29 <ais523> zzo38: right
19:11:39 <ais523> this is why people normally use #ifdef __cplusplus wrappers
19:11:51 <ais523> to check for the language
19:13:26 <zzo38> The existing way for JavaScript addons is to write them in C++, and another library called "nan" is used to properly support different versions of Node.js. There are some other programs such as v8plus to write the addon in C, but v8plus doesn't even work on Linux. There are others too, but have various problems with different Node.js versions, etc.
19:13:32 <zzo38> That is why this new kind should be needed.
19:15:03 <gamemanj> you know, maybe it's an idea not to use javascript
19:15:06 <zzo38> ais523: Yes, I am aware of that. Apparently things like "typedef struct js_value js_value" are wrong for C++, so I put "#ifndef __cplusplus", but I don't know if that should actually be needed. I have also modified a header file for another program I was writing an addon for, to add such a section
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19:17:20 <zzo38> (The other program I was writing addon for, although it was written in C++, but name-mangling was disabled for add-ons, so in this way it was possible to write the addons in C, although a minor modification to the header file was needed, which I did.)
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19:44:12 <zzo38> Can JavaScript proxies be used to implement all possible implementations that satisfy the invariants of essential internal methods, or are some possiblilities that satisfy the invariants impossible?
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19:46:10 <ais523> it's been acting weirdly recently
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19:47:35 <fizzie> That's not exactly novel.
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19:47:56 <fizzie> Not so much here, but on larger channels.
19:47:58 <moonythedwarf> i wonder why it happened
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19:49:32 <moonythedwarf> ##chat is currently a *.net *.split warzone
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19:52:21 <\oren\> I was wondering if my irssi was malfunctioning
19:52:46 <\oren\> the same process has been running since May 16th
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20:38:41 <myname> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/FthrNature/unleashed-pixel-dungeon/master/src/main/assets/plants.png what looks the most like a plump helmet?
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