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00:01:07 <zzo38> I have seen a GIMP plugin to use Farbfeld, although that plugin only supports using files (with optional bzip2 compression) and not pipes. (I think it would probably be more useful if it supported loading/saving farbfeld through pipes, although I don't use GIMP and don't know.)
00:01:20 <\oren\> Trump gets KY and indina; clinton gets vermont
00:02:35 <wob_jonas> zzo38: um, so where do I find the documentation for those individual utilities?
00:04:08 <\oren\> ky s kentuky
00:04:08 <wob_jonas> and in particular, what would these utilities help me do that I can't do just as easily with ImageMagick?
00:04:46 <zzo38> wob_jonas: Unfortunately there is currently none other than the source code, but there is also the wiki, which does contain a few examples. You are free to edit the wiki too if you want to.
00:05:12 <zzo38> Currently there are a lot of things that these utilities don't do (and ImageMagick does do), although they also support some things ImageMagick doesn't.
00:05:44 <wob_jonas> What is a useful thing they can do that ImageMagick can't do?
00:05:46 <zzo38> One thing different from ImageMagick is that all of the Farbfeld Utilities act as filters.
00:06:00 <zzo38> wob_jonas: Depends what is useful to you, I suppose.
00:06:17 <zzo38> And if it doesn't do what you want, you are free to make feature requests and/or to contribute.
00:06:25 <wob_jonas> luckily ImageMagick can also act as a filter
00:06:47 <wob_jonas> I sometimes pipe something into it or pipe something out from it, though I rarely pipe both ways
00:06:58 <wob_jonas> it can definitely be used as a filter and chained though
00:07:06 <zzo38> Yes it can (and I do sometimes use it this way, such as to display a picture from the internet), although not as well as farbfeld.
00:07:56 <zzo38> Farbfeld Utilities does support a few file formats that ImageMagick doesn't, although it supports hardly any of the common ones other than PNG, currently. (But I do think they should add Farbfeld file format support to ImageMagick too anyways.)
00:08:55 <wob_jonas> I think you can add the format to ImageMagick on client side if you have a program that decodes farbfeld to some other format ImageMagick knows and one that encodes it, and edit the ImageMagick config file a bit.
00:09:13 <wob_jonas> I'm not sure of the details, I never tried to do that.
00:09:36 <zzo38> wob_jonas: I have not tried editing the configuration file, although Farbfeld Utilities can encode/decode PNG.
00:09:52 <zzo38> (I also find that LodePNG sometimes compresses PNG files better than ImageMagick.)
00:09:56 <wob_jonas> apparently you have ffpbm, that should work
00:10:12 <zzo38> Yes, PBM/PGM/PPM will also work.
00:10:18 <wob_jonas> I wouldn't encode through png when you want to pass to ImageMagick, that's just a waste of cpu
00:10:41 <wob_jonas> unless perhaps you encode to an uncompressed png, which exists, but is still more complicated than using ppm
00:10:50 <zzo38> OK then
00:11:17 <wob_jonas> do you also have a converter from ppm to farbfeld?
00:11:26 <\oren\> karl rove, the guy who broke down in hysterics last time is on fox still
00:11:27 <zzo38> Currently not, sorry.
00:11:43 <zzo38> (I may write one later, or you or someone else can contribute such a file.)
00:12:27 <wob_jonas> well, I'm still only interested if you can point me to something useful I can do with these utilities that I couldn't do easily otherwise
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00:13:05 <wob_jonas> hmm...
00:13:54 <zzo38> Look at the examples perhaps.
00:14:49 <wob_jonas> zzo38: do you have a quantile filter, that is, a filter that takes a small environment around each pixel, and outputs the quantile of the values among that environment in the output image, and preferably does this not in a horribly slow way?
00:15:32 <wob_jonas> I'd like such a filter, and haven't yet seen a good implementation, except of some easy special cases (minimum, maximum, and any quantile on 1 bit deep pixels)
00:16:10 <zzo38> wob_quantile: Thanks, I do like that suggestion. Post it as a feature request on that repository! (You can login anonymously)
00:16:28 <wob_jonas> "wob_quantile"?
00:16:32 <zzo38> I may then write it, hopefully before Sunday (possibly even today, but probably not)
00:18:17 <wob_jonas> though ideally I'd like this as an addition to ImageMagick, and written in such a way that it respects the virtual pixel option (and masks and channel selection and other stuff) of ImageMagick
00:19:05 <wob_jonas> the case where you take the median is sometimes called "median filter" and iirc "despeckle" in gimp
00:19:07 <zzo38> You can do palette reduction to a user-defined palette of up to 1024 colours, with specified dithering and closest-colour methods, and optionally with Hold-And-Modify. It also supports the file formats for tile graphics for PC, Famicom, and GameBoy.
00:22:10 <zzo38> wob_jonas: I wouldn't know how to make it an addition to ImageMagick, although I hope to add it to Farbfeld Utilities; you should probably post a feature request.
00:23:39 <wob_jonas> palette reduction to a user-defined palette => I do that with ImageMagick, with the -remap command and the -dither setting
00:24:32 <wob_jonas> hmm, "specified closest-colour methods" => I'm not sure how I can do that in ImageMagick though
00:24:40 <wob_jonas> but it's not really what I'm missing
00:25:01 <wob_jonas> more like, easier ways to create better colormaps in a partly automatic and partly directed way
00:25:17 <zzo38> I want that too, but so far have been unable to think of how to implement that.
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00:27:35 <wob_jonas> zzo38: for first approximation, I'd like to give a mask on the image, and ask for a 255 color palette such that 128 of the colors are optimized to convert the masked part of the image, and then the other 127 colors are optimized so that together with the first 128 they can convert the whole image the best.
00:28:14 <wob_jonas> Creating the palette for the masked region is possible, but I'm not sure how to ask any program to create the final palette with some colors fixed.
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00:28:51 <zzo38> If you have some ideas, perhaps post them as tickets.
00:29:30 <zzo38> wob_jonas: That is a good idea that I have not thought of; to make a palette optimizer that can use some fixed colours (which will be able to do what you want).
00:31:02 <zzo38> (I would make it you can optimize a palette for a different picture than the one you are actually converting, which means that this is possible by giving a cropped picture as input to the palette optimizer. And then, if it supports some fixed colours, give the full picture, with the first output given as some of the fixed colours by using the `...` shell operator.)
00:31:16 <wob_jonas> I mostly run into this problem because I want to create 256 color PNG files, since the design of the PNG format has the side effect that those compress much better than true color ones.
00:32:08 <wob_jonas> "I would make it you can optimize a palette for a different picture than the one you are actually converting, which means that this is possible by giving a cropped picture as input to the palette optimizer." => you can already do that part with ImageMagick. Although really, you could use any color reducer and then collect the colors from the output
00:32:09 <wob_jonas> with ImageMagick too.
00:32:22 <wob_jonas> Optimizing the palette with some fixed colors is what I don't know how to do.
00:33:10 <zzo38> Yes, and that is a good idea; when I make ff-optimize I hope to add that as an option!
00:33:37 <zzo38> Perhaps post a feature request so that I do not forget!
00:34:13 <wob_jonas> ok
00:35:04 <wob_jonas> make sure to represent the palette in some easy to handle format, so I can edit it in other ways
00:35:31 <wob_jonas> ImageMagick represents the palette as just an image
00:35:58 <zzo38> I intend to just make it output what ff-reduce needs as command-line arguments, which is just hex RGB format; using ff-scanf you can convert that output into a picture if you want that.
00:37:44 <wob_jonas> zzo38: can I convert from a picture too?
00:38:48 <zzo38> Yes; ff-printf is the opposite operation to ff-scanf.
00:39:31 <wob_jonas> ok
00:39:32 <zzo38> (Although ff-printf discards the width and height of the picture, so when you send its output to ff-scanf you must specify the width and height.)
00:39:45 <wob_jonas> For a palette, that's not a big problem.
00:39:48 <zzo38> With ff-printf and ff-scanf you have to specify the format string.
00:42:30 <zzo38> Farbfeld Utilities can also decode NTSC if that is useful to anyone (perhaps it can be used with a CGA monochrome picture to convert it to colours, for example). (It decodes the colours only though; you will still need to use a separate program to decode the frame.)
00:43:08 <zzo38> (In the case of a PC emulator though, the frame is already decoded for you anyways.)
00:45:36 <wob_jonas> zzo38: there's another image-related utility I'd like, but that one I'll probably try to write myself:
00:46:31 <wob_jonas> a GUI tool that lets me show two images and select three or four pairs of corresponding points on them, and then create a perspective or affine transformed copy of the second image onto the first image so that the selected points align.
00:47:02 <wob_jonas> ImageMagick itself can do the perspective or affine transform, but I want to do this often enough that a GUI tool would be better.
00:48:05 <wob_jonas> And perhaps then I need a second step, one that lets me check the alignment of the transformed image on the first image by composing them in different ways, and correcting it dynamically by moving any of the eight or six control points.
00:48:24 <wob_jonas> Ideally the GIMP transform tool should work this way, but it doesn't.
00:49:51 <zzo38> For selecting points on the picture, a GUI tool would help, I agree.
00:50:49 <wob_jonas> Eventually I should write this, using ImageMagick as the backend for the transform.
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00:53:27 <wob_jonas> good night
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01:18:32 <izalove> clinton 44 trump 51
01:18:34 * izalove freaks out
01:19:06 <oerjan> do you freak out enough to move to canada
01:19:28 <izalove> well no but maybe germany
01:19:34 <oerjan> okay
01:20:19 <oerjan> 68 - 57 says bbc
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01:21:33 <izalove> i was watching it on google :X
01:21:41 <boily> clinton 68 trump 57.
01:21:55 <boily> (says Radio-Canada)
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01:25:19 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: "bbc" has always been an awkward acronym imo
01:25:50 <oerjan> i no longer trust you on language judgements hth
01:26:14 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: tdh, and tshyt
01:26:57 <hppavilion[1]> boily: What are these numbers? Guaranteed electoral votes or...?
01:27:11 <oerjan> `? tshyt
01:27:19 <HackEgo> tshyt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:27:21 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: that should help you too hth
01:27:38 <hppavilion[1]> ("tshy" might be better)
01:27:44 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: presumably. 68 - 66 now.
01:27:55 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Ah. That's what 538 is saying too
01:28:07 <hppavilion[1]> (Is abbreviating FiveThirtyEight as 538 acceptable?)
01:28:30 <oerjan> well i don't know what it is either with or without abbreviation, so...
01:28:36 <boily> hppavellon[1]. they are numbers.
01:28:51 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: http://fivethirtyeight.com/
01:29:07 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The standard political forecast site used by nerds (e.g. Randall Munroe)
01:29:47 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: 538 is the total number of votes in the electoral college. hth.
01:31:27 <oerjan> THX
01:31:47 <boily> 68 66.
01:32:34 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: THX?
01:32:36 <hppavilion[1]> Thou Hast Xylophony?
01:32:54 <boily> THX, 1138.
01:33:00 <hppavilion[1]> boily: That too
01:33:14 <hppavilion[1]> (Xylophony: The practice of studying and playing Xylophones. hth)
01:33:40 <zzo38> There was once a crossword puzzle with a clue asking about the next day's newspaper headline, which depended who was going to be elected president.
01:34:05 <oerjan> `thanks THX
01:34:08 <HackEgo> Thanks, THX. THX.
01:34:13 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Yeah, I've heard of that. It works with both choices
01:34:34 <zzo38> Yes
01:34:39 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: And I think some of the different letters even resulted in different (but still-working) words
01:34:49 * oerjan is not sure when he last studied or played a xylophone.
01:35:06 <zzo38> (The cluues that crossed it could support either of two letters in one of their positions and still be valid.)
01:36:14 <oerjan> cluuver.
01:37:27 * hppavilion[1] thvacks oerjan with a German-manufactured svatter
01:37:42 <izalove> does this mean that just over 1000 people voted? http://i.imgur.com/qwTN3R4.png
01:38:47 <boily> hppavilion[1]: you like to live dangerously, thvacking people like that.
01:39:02 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: It's probably a district thing
01:39:26 <izalove> https://www.google.com/search?q=results+of+presidential+elections <- from this
01:39:35 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: Like, this many state-electoral votes went to this side, this many state-electoral votes to the other, and there are 1000 state elector votes
01:39:47 <hppavilion[1]> If that makes any amount of sense
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01:40:31 <izalove> ah i see
01:41:17 <oerjan> izalove: i get redirected to google.no, which usually is not helpful for such things.
01:41:32 <izalove> try google.yes
01:41:57 <oerjan> (i assume there was some promoted response)
01:42:06 <boily> Florida is mostly red, but votes are tighter than shrinkwrapped Superman panties.
01:43:51 <pikhq> It seems very likely Florida will be hitting a mandatory recount.
01:45:24 <izalove> why exactly is new jersey blue?
01:48:08 <boily> it's weird. votes are 38.10% Hillary, 58.58% Trump...
01:50:57 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: Oh, that might actually be because not everybody participates in exit polls. If that's what that is.
01:51:11 <hppavilion[1]> boily: And...?
01:52:23 <boily> unless I completely misunderstand the way American elections work, more red is more Trump?
01:52:49 <zzo38> Does anyone vote independent?
01:54:02 <oerjan> i'm sure someone does.
01:54:57 <izalove> trump just won MS
01:55:01 <izalove> make windows great again
01:55:39 <oerjan> i read somewhere there was a chance utah might go to an independent, and if so that would be the first time any state does since 1968.
01:56:42 <pikhq> There is a pretty sizable chance there, yes.
01:56:53 <shachaf> hikhq
01:57:33 <oerjan> . o O ( did he run on a "why vote for the lesser evil" platform? )
01:58:00 <Bowserinator> lol is trump winning?
01:58:08 <Bowserinator> apparently so
01:58:28 <oerjan> bit early to say?
01:58:40 <pikhq> Bowserinator: Possibly, but only because the reporting so far has mostly been in GOP strongholds.
01:58:48 <pikhq> The fact of the matter is, it's way too early to tell.
01:59:08 <Bowserinator> well we'll get some more votes in about 1 minute
02:02:00 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Yes
02:02:07 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: You don't "vote" independent
02:02:22 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Independent is an alignment towards not-choosing-a-party-ness
02:02:47 <hppavilion[1]> A candidate can run as independent, but they're still a political figure- often they're people who lost the primaries
02:03:56 <izalove> 97-122 what the fuck
02:03:59 <izalove> how is he winning
02:04:08 <izalove> america what is your problem
02:04:31 <pikhq> Because he's a populist fascist demagogue.
02:04:39 <pikhq> And America has had a strong authoritarian streak of late.
02:07:21 <oerjan> -129
02:08:14 <boily> 97-81 here.
02:08:22 <boily> 97-87.
02:08:40 <oerjan> boily: WAY AHEAD OF YOU
02:09:27 <oerjan> (tip: the correct numbers won't decrease hth)
02:10:15 <Bowserinator> 97-129
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02:11:56 <boily> 97-125.
02:12:21 <boily> hppavilion[1]: will you Canada?
02:12:36 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Apparently, no
02:12:44 <hppavilion[1]> boily: "France, maybe"
02:12:54 <hppavilion[1]> England possibly
02:16:06 <hppavilion[1]> boily: Sounds like Canada isn't far enough
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02:18:57 <oerjan> 104-129
02:19:16 <boily> 97-125.
02:27:55 <boily> 104-125.
02:28:25 <izalove> boily: you need faster internet
02:29:50 <boily> my internets are synchronized hth
02:30:00 <oerjan> with the PAST
02:30:27 <izalove> BURN
02:32:20 <boily> flblblblblblbl :Þ
02:34:57 <zzo38> What statistical method might I use to approximately figure out the templates used by the simple interface of the RinkWorks Fantasy Name Generator?
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02:47:44 <oerjan> 104-137
02:48:10 <pikhq> I am getting increasingly worried the USD will soon be at par with the Zimbabwean dollar.
02:49:05 <oerjan> so, replaced by euros and south african rands?
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02:49:31 <zzo38> Do you have any idea about how such thing I mentioned might be done?
02:49:55 <pikhq> oerjan: Eventually, yes.
02:50:03 <zzo38> Are you any statistician?
02:51:31 <boily> ah, state television... "it's like choosing between a gonorrhea and syphillis."
02:51:38 <boily> stay classy!
02:55:18 <hppavilion[1]> Have they STILL not called Florida‽
02:57:10 <oerjan> hm apparently zimbabwean economy has gone downhill again after the mugabe's party got alone in goverment again. surprise!
02:57:11 <pikhq> Yes.
02:57:18 <oerjan> *-the
02:57:33 <boily> 93.78% votes counted in Florida. Trump 49.05%, Hillary 47.83%.
03:00:24 <oerjan> boily: the norwegian standard idiom is "valg mellom pest og kolera" (choice between plague and cholera) hth
03:01:49 <boily> time for nightly coma. tomorrow will be tomorrow...
03:01:49 <oerjan> apparently german is similar.
03:02:11 <boily> we don't really have any idiom for that.
03:02:21 <oerjan> 104-140
03:02:31 <boily> 103-136.
03:02:37 <boily> s/3-/4-/
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03:02:53 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Cholera tyvm
03:03:07 <hppavilion[1]> (Wait, which "The plague" is this?)
03:03:15 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: probably bubonic
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03:07:25 <oerjan> -150
03:08:24 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: The bourbonic plague is much better. hth.
03:09:13 <oerjan> that's just whiskeyful thinking
03:11:08 <oerjan> 109-
03:19:09 <zzo38> My namegen.js now has a builtin repeat function, which is much faster than using an external repeater.
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03:28:02 <oerjan> -168
03:29:49 <oerjan> trump wins ohio (first swing state)
03:38:16 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, did he?
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03:45:20 <oerjan> 131-
03:45:31 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: What are these numbers?
03:45:50 <oerjan> electors so far, i assume
03:46:24 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: ...you assume?
03:46:54 <oerjan> well, am pretty sure.
03:47:05 <oerjan> http://www.bbc.com/news/election/us2016/results
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04:15:04 <hppavilion[1]> Oregon clinton.
04:16:24 <hppavilion[1]> 190 to 187, clinton's favour. 161 not called; all remaining large states are moderate-leaning-trump
04:17:12 <oerjan> and that 538 site thinks trump has 58% prob. of winning.
04:17:50 <hppavilion[1]> Most likely path to clinton victory from here is Washington (easy), Maine and Maine First (not too difficult), Minnesota (risky, but possible), Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Michigan, which all lean red for the moment
04:18:25 <hppavilion[1]> (florida would replace any two of those last four except maybe Penn. and Mich.)
04:18:27 <alercah> oerjan: that 58% is not accounting for florida
04:18:36 <alercah> which several outlets have already called
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04:34:53 <oerjan> 209-222
04:40:42 <oerjan> -228
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04:54:15 <\oren\> they called florida for trump
04:54:29 <alercah> who are you watching? you're late to the party
04:54:32 <hppavilion[1]> Georgia Trump. 84%
04:54:39 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: FiveThirtyEight
04:54:53 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: I think it must have been controversial so they waited before calling
04:59:45 <alercah> hppavilion[1]: even 538 had called it about 10 minutes before \oren\ said that
05:00:04 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: It didn't pop up for me.
05:00:16 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: I don't know when it did; \oren\ might have actually been late to the party
05:00:35 <alercah> according to their site they called at 11:30
05:01:29 <hppavilion[1]> alercah: I'm in AKST
05:01:54 <hppavilion[1]> so... 19:30?
05:02:14 <alercah> think so
05:02:18 <alercah> whatever half an hour ago was
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05:05:18 <\oren\> fox called wisconsin for turmp but cnn hasnt
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05:07:12 <alercah> it's over
05:07:14 <alercah> tbqh
05:07:17 <alercah> hth
05:07:42 <oerjan> `? tbqh
05:08:00 <HackEgo> tbqh? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
05:08:03 <alercah> to be quite honest
05:08:19 <oerjan> oh not officially
05:08:28 <alercah> it's not officially over until january
05:08:36 <oerjan> OKAY
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05:25:09 <\oren\> well basically if trunp gets mchigan or pennyslvania he wins
05:25:21 <\oren\> curently wining in both
05:26:33 <pikhq> alercah: But the only way we'd get that many faithless electors is if Trump declares that he will begin by exterminating the Jews.
05:26:40 <pikhq> Actually, given how things are going, maybe not.
05:26:41 <alercah> \oren\: even if he doesn't, it's over
05:27:12 <alercah> 11 from AZ, 10 from WI, 4 from NH, 1 from NE is 26 and that's enough
05:27:16 <pikhq> Clinton's not *literally* guaranteed to lose at this point, but it's looking incredibly likely.
05:27:30 <pikhq> She'd need to take WI NH NE AZ.
05:28:08 <alercah> and PA
05:28:17 <alercah> which is looking unlikely because a very red county still hasn't reported
05:29:02 <alercah> MI is more likely than WI
05:29:13 <pikhq> True.
05:33:09 <alercah> assuming AZ, WI, NE, 1 ME for trump, that's 23. AK would seal it
05:34:20 <alercah> if AK somehow flips to capstone this nutty election, 3 ME, NH, AK, PA, MI, MN is a clinton win
05:34:27 <alercah> but that's about the only possible way she has left
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05:59:23 <\oren\> CNN still isn't admitting anything
06:00:18 <\oren\> alaska sould be in soon
06:03:03 <\oren\> their analyst just explained that he cant see a way for clinton to win PA but they won't call it
06:03:35 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Fox is calling Wisconsin. FiveThirtyEight is not certain yet, but it looks like trump is president-elect
06:05:44 <izalove> WHAT THE FUCK
06:05:51 <izalove> i went to sleep and trump won
06:05:53 <izalove> christ
06:06:19 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: Did you really?
06:06:24 <izalove> yes
06:06:31 <izalove> i'll never sleep again
06:06:43 <oerjan> good policy
06:06:54 <\oren\> they aven't called it but yeah 98% chance turnip president
06:07:17 <hppavilion[1]> izalove: It's your fault
06:07:47 <\oren\> maine called for clinton
06:07:57 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Which part?
06:08:06 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Whole, first district, or second district?
06:08:37 <\oren\> both I think
06:09:41 <\oren\> cnn just called utah for trump
06:10:36 <\oren\> cnn is such trash
06:11:22 <\oren\> once again megyn kelly is having to go and ask the statisticians wut r they doin
06:11:42 <\oren\> I am watching cnn and fox on dual monitors
06:11:49 <pecan> Sleep is pretty boring anyway
06:11:52 <pecan> don't really recommend it
06:13:38 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Whole is different from both first district and second district
06:14:03 <\oren\> wait wat
06:14:09 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Maine's electoral votes are divided into 3 groups- 1, 1, 2. The voters are in two districts (first and second)
06:14:23 <izalove> guys this stopped being funny, someone better come out and say it's a prank
06:14:33 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Whoever wins the first district gets 1, whoever wins the second district gets 1, and whoever wins the state overall gets the other 2
06:14:41 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Yes, it's fucking ridiculous.
06:16:20 <izalove> whatever, antinuclear bunkers aren't even that expensive these days
06:16:20 <alercah> ok so the conference I am supposed to go to tomorrow
06:16:30 <alercah> I cannot find any registration confirmation emails for and the website is down
06:17:07 <\oren\> izalove: I tought it was clinton who was going to war with russia
06:17:23 <izalove> trump is going to war with everyone -_-
06:17:28 <izalove> including the us
06:17:32 <\oren\> except russia
06:19:48 <hppavilion[1]> Now officially a Republican senate
06:20:03 <hppavilion[1]> The house was never up to be de-republicized AFAICT
06:20:16 <hppavilion[1]> Republican Senate, Republican House, Trump in the white house. My god.
06:22:25 <Hoolootwo> welp time to emigrate
06:23:18 <hppavilion[1]> Hoolootwo: Emigration is in-country afair
06:24:20 <hppavilion[1]> Well, time to go to acceptance
06:24:54 <alercah> eh? emigration means leaving the country
06:25:01 <hppavilion[1]> (I'm somewhat glad Ms. Rawson, mercifully, didn't live to see this...)
06:25:13 <alercah> anyway, you us folk can consider actually trying to fix your country too
06:25:16 <alercah> rather than just running away
06:29:09 <zzo38> What are the Greek names and GURPS values for fear of left-handed plumbers and for fear of everything?
06:33:19 <oerjan> the second ought to be panphobia
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06:34:10 <zzo38> OK
06:34:41 <oerjan> apparently that's only one of several options https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panphobia
06:34:59 <oerjan> well the omni- is latin
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06:36:57 <hppavilion[1]> New xkcd
06:37:25 <oerjan> zzo38: i suspect pantophobia is the most grammatically correct
06:37:57 <myname> ah, giant douche won over turd sandwich, i see
06:38:40 <hppavilion[1]> OK, no more election discussion?
06:39:00 <myname> i am excited about the new episode of south park
06:39:04 <hppavilion[1]> It's been done, it appears.
06:39:12 <Hoolootwo> pantophobia sounds like the fear of pants
06:40:30 <\oren\> Amy Schumer, Cher, various other american celebs: Bienvenue au Canada!
06:42:23 <\oren\> Will Trudeau extend refugee visas to trump fleers?
06:42:29 <hppavilion[1]> Hoolootwo: ...is it not?
06:42:49 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: He will, or we will... damn, what will we do?
06:43:01 <hppavilion[1]> Fuck, I don't know how to threaten foreign officials.
06:43:03 <zzo38> If meaning fear of everything then that is including pants too isn't it?
06:43:20 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: Isn't fear of everything panphobia?
06:43:40 <zzo38> I would think so.
06:44:58 <Hoolootwo> yes, but apparently wikipedia says that it's another spelling :(
06:45:20 <zzo38> Wikipedia says it can be: panphobia, omniphobia, pantophobia, panophobia.
06:46:02 <hppavilion[1]> I suffer from aphobophobia
06:46:07 <hppavilion[1]> (Fear of not being afraid)
06:47:01 * oerjan swats hppavilion[1] for ignoring his explanation -----###
06:47:18 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Wat?
06:47:27 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: I saw, but you were WRONG
06:47:30 <oerjan> zzo38: pantophobia is more like how original greek would combine words
06:47:59 <zzo38> Ah, OK
06:48:24 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: greek doesn't just fuse words together nilly-willy. you need to use the right form hth
06:48:56 <\oren\> megyn kelly: "and then we have wikileaks, or is it the russians?" other guy on fox: "I wouldn't say that comrade"
06:49:34 <zzo38> But how to combine Greek words to make up words in English?
06:49:35 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> Fuck, I don't know how to threaten foreign officials. <-- you should take trump lessons hth
06:49:57 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Oh, good idea
06:50:05 <pecan> zzo38: here, do it like me: tele- + -vision = tel—wait, shit.
06:51:01 <oerjan> Hoolootwo: the word "pants" apparently comes very indirectly from Παντελεήμων. same pant-.)
06:51:09 <oerjan> *-)
06:52:05 <\oren\> podesta is coming to speak
07:01:11 <\oren\> Hillary Clinton chief flunky John Podesta expected to appear before US public, for ritual self-disembowelment.
07:01:14 <\oren\> 0 replies 260 retweets 322 likes
07:01:30 <\oren\> holy shit lololololololololol
07:02:40 <zzo38> GURPS lists fear of crowds as "demophobia", while Wikipedia says "enochlophobia". Wiktionary mentions both, as well as "ochlophobia".
07:09:38 <zzo38> Also, GURPS uses "brontophobia" for fear of loud noises (Wikipedia says "phonophobia", which make more sense to me), but apparently "brontophobia" actually mean fear of thunder and lightning.
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07:16:17 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: brontophobia is fear of mythical creatures hth
07:25:59 <hppavilion[1]> Oh my god
07:26:03 <hppavilion[1]> I should get in on http://ioling.org/
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07:33:10 <zzo38> Wikipedia lists phobophobia, but not aphobophobia.
07:35:17 <zzo38> But what would be the word for fear of left-handed plumbers?
07:40:59 <\oren\> clinton calls trump on phone to concede
07:41:01 <\oren\> trump to appear on stage soon
07:42:11 <oerjan> greekaphobia, the fear of mangled greek coinings
07:43:52 <oerjan> `` rgrep -i greek wisdom
07:44:09 <HackEgo> wisdom/ambiguous:Ambiguous, from Greek 'ἀν-' lack of, and 'βιγός' clarity of meaning, means when something is unclear in its meaning. Antonym: biguous. \ wisdom/rho:Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho scien
07:44:24 <izalove> where can i hire a hitman on tor?
07:45:06 <oerjan> `` rgrep -i -l greek wisdom
07:45:08 <HackEgo> wisdom/ambiguous \ wisdom/rho \ wisdom/odysseus \ wisdom/theseus \ wisdom/rholypoly
07:46:05 <oerjan> `learn Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms.
07:46:11 <HackEgo> Learned 'manglophobia': Manglophobia is the fear of horribly mangled "Greek" neologisms.
08:00:37 <hppavilion[1]> Whoo, I have headphones again!
08:08:01 <\oren\> after his speech trump played the song "you can't always get what you want"
08:10:39 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Which one?
08:10:48 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I remember that happening a month or two ago
08:12:12 <hppavilion[1]> All programmer poetry (proegretry?) should be written in arbitrary octameter, where an additional message comes out when you take the parts of each foot and decode it as ASCII with nostress = 0, stress = 1
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08:17:09 <hppavilion[1]> Or how about just every other, because Pyrrhics and Spondees are hard (and this way every line is one character)
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09:26:57 <hppavilion[1]> Hm... is there a way to design Democracy so leaders have to keep people happy during their *term* rather than their campaign, other than just having elections frequently enough that they can't just recover immediately before getting reelected?
09:31:10 <b_jonas> 289 for Trump and 218 for Hillary only? damn
09:31:40 <b_jonas> hpp: you don't keep them happy during the term. you just make sure you get re-elected by influencing the people in the few months before the next election.
09:31:46 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: =507?
09:31:52 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: hpp doesn't beep me hth
09:32:09 <hppavilion[1]> b_jonas: Yes, exactly. I was asking if there's a way to NOT do it that way
09:32:13 <b_jonas> hpp: there are still some results missing
09:32:19 <b_jonas> to be counted later
09:33:00 <hppavilion[1]> To set up a democracy so that you have to keep people happy over the term, not over the campaign
09:33:54 <b_jonas> no, you don't have to
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11:21:28 <b_jonas> ARGH! and now an internal error from the compiler. yesterday it was the linker.
11:22:31 <b_jonas> damn you, microsoft, for your stupid errors
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11:47:49 <boily> `wisdom
11:48:36 <HackEgo> fternooner//fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”) is a screamingly delicious pastry.
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12:24:30 <izalove> Somasis | anyway, i'm excited to see how the first republican trifecta since literally the year before the great depression occurred goes
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15:45:05 <moonythedwarf> derp de derp
15:46:37 <\oren\> wow, it's actually not even close for hillary. she got nothing from the rust belt
15:47:22 <\oren\> I guess the car manufacturing jobs might leave canada and go back to the us
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17:04:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:OOLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50179&oldid=50176 * Slnetaiga * (+130)
17:04:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Talk:OOLANG]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50180&oldid=50179 * Slnetaiga * (+1) oops:)
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17:56:25 <\oren\> trump's victory speech is surprisingly positive
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18:36:34 <hppavilion[1]> Hm, I think I've written something that properly captures a donkey clause in a logical fashion, but I'm not certain
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18:39:27 <hppavilion[1]> It doesn't have any free variables and it seems to express the concept as I understand it
18:39:38 <hppavilion[1]> But I might not be even understanding the problem
18:41:30 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, it looks like the issue might be that 'a' is usually read as an \E, but is typically read as an \A?
18:48:32 <ybden> `? trump
18:48:43 <HackEgo> trump? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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19:27:12 <\oren\> Melania Trump is now the impending First Lady of the United States
19:27:33 <moonythedwarf> yup :/
19:27:37 <pikhq> Until the inevitable divorce.
19:27:53 <moonythedwarf> lol
19:28:04 <moonythedwarf> pikhq, you the same pikhq as the one on #xkcd?
19:28:15 <pikhq> Yes.
19:28:20 <moonythedwarf> hi ^_^
19:28:30 <pikhq> Sal'
19:28:42 <moonythedwarf> -echo hi
19:28:42 <pikhq> In general, if you see a pikhq anywhere it's safe to assume it's me.
19:28:42 <otherbot> hi
19:28:50 <moonythedwarf> pikhq, ok
19:28:55 <\oren\> She's the first First Lady to have appeared nude in magazines
19:28:58 <pikhq> To my knowledge nobody else on the planet uses this nick.
19:29:05 <pikhq> But, y'know, the GOP is all about family values.
19:29:21 <pikhq> (which apparently means "eliminate the gays")
19:29:23 <\oren\> Trump has a big family
19:29:34 <pikhq> A serial divorcer would.
19:29:56 <\oren\> yup
19:30:59 <moonythedwarf> lol
19:31:25 <moonythedwarf> trump has made multiple world records, all of them somewhat wierd and that mak him as a bad president :P
19:31:48 <\oren\> also, first immigrant First Lady since 1829
19:31:49 <moonythedwarf> aka for example getting the (upcoming) first lady to have nude pics in a magazine
19:32:24 <pikhq> And first illegal immigrant First Lady.
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19:32:53 <pikhq> Which I wouldn't care much about except that he appears to want to round up and export all 12 million illegal immigrants in 2 years.
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19:37:56 <\oren\> pikhq: I dunno how immigration law worked in 1775 when Louisa Adams first came to America
19:41:42 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: We're going to build an ocean barricade and Ireland is going to pay for it
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20:07:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Factory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50181&oldid=50105 * Enoua5 * (+66) /* BOOT */
20:08:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Factory]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50182&oldid=50181 * Enoua5 * (+19) /* Basic Commands */
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20:18:55 <\oren\> Trump on Kanye: "I hope to run against him someday,"
20:19:10 <\oren\> Kanye West 2020!
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21:09:28 <wob_jonas> hmm.... ais523 wasn't in yet?
21:10:02 <moonythedwarf> nope
21:10:34 <moonythedwarf> -js return "nope".repeat(5)
21:10:34 <otherbot> 'nopenopenopenopenope'
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21:34:19 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: are u ready for Kanye west 2020 campaign?
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22:52:04 <moony> hellovilion[1]
22:53:51 <hppavilion[1]> moony: You used a porthello my client does not recognize. tdnh.
22:54:25 <moony> lol
22:55:54 <shachaf> Please don't spam the channel.
22:55:57 <shachaf> You always do it.
22:56:01 <shachaf> It's always awful.
22:56:25 <moony> how am i spamming?
22:56:35 <moony> you know, at this moment
22:58:15 <FireFly> presumably referncing to the repeated nope a while ago
23:02:15 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print yep x 4'
23:02:30 <HackEgo> Number found where operator expected at -e line 1, near "x 4" \ (Do you need to predeclare x?) \ syntax error at -e line 1, near "x 4" \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
23:02:42 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print "yep" x 4'
23:02:45 <HackEgo> yepyepyepyep
23:03:04 <\oren\> huh, I can't use a bareword as an argument for x
23:03:11 <\oren\> weird
23:04:17 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print yep'
23:04:19 <HackEgo> No output.
23:04:28 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print yup'
23:04:30 <HackEgo> No output.
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23:05:18 <wob_jonas> \oren\: no, the problem is that yep is parsed as an indirect argument of print
23:05:31 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print(yep)'
23:05:32 <HackEgo> No output.
23:05:35 <wob_jonas> so the x would be the start of the first direct argument
23:06:19 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'printSTDOUT yep)'
23:06:21 <HackEgo> syntax error at -e line 1, near "printSTDOUT yep) \ " \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
23:06:22 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print STDOUT yep)'
23:06:24 <HackEgo> syntax error at -e line 1, near "yep) \ " \ Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
23:06:27 <\oren\> `` perl -e 'print STDOUT yep'
23:06:28 <HackEgo> yep
23:06:31 <\oren\> aha
23:07:41 <\oren\> although why print yep doesn't raise any kind of error (printing to a nonexistent filehandle?)
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23:08:57 <wob_jonas> \oren\: it does give a false result and sets $!{EBADF}
23:09:27 <wob_jonas> it doesn't raise an error other than that, because perl builtins don't usually raise exceptions for plain OS io errors
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23:10:02 <hppavilion[1]> Dammit, there's a "large police perimeter" around or near my schol
23:10:04 <hppavilion[1]> *school
23:10:09 <hppavilion[1]> So I can't leave
23:11:11 <wob_jonas> you must check the return values manually, C style
23:11:42 <\oren\> hppavilion[1]: how do you feel about Kanye West?
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23:12:16 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: I think we should tear down the Kanye wall and reunify East Kanye and West Kanye
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23:35:59 <hppavilion[1]> shachaf: I'm doing audio again...
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23:41:53 <shachaf> beep boop
23:43:19 <Taneb> I just did the dot to dot in today's Gunnerkrigg Court
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23:51:27 <fizzie> I did it as well.
23:51:35 <fizzie> V. scary.
23:53:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * CodeTriangle * New user account
23:53:46 <shachaf> are y'all going to post pictures twh
23:54:06 <Taneb> No
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