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00:00:46 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Get this: English does that all the fucking time, except most of them don't do it in *all* cases
00:01:28 <hppavilion[1]> And it's horrifying and frustrating.
00:01:37 <FreeFull> Ok, "rz" usually is a digraph pronounced the same as "ż", except for pretty much one case, where it's "r" and "z" separately
00:01:46 <Zarutian> english is pretty much pigdin latin, germanic and other languages like normans spoke
00:01:48 <FreeFull> Zamarznięte
00:02:00 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Yep, 'th' is like that except in a few compound words
00:02:10 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: Like "lathe"?
00:02:17 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: "lathe"?
00:02:19 <FreeFull> No, I guess not
00:02:24 <FreeFull> Hmm, what words are like that
00:02:27 <hppavilion[1]> myname: Ah, yes, they are different, but it still sounds similar enough to the ears of someone whose first language is english (where there is no word 'zex', at least commonly) that they still parse it as similar, even though they hear that it's different and make it differently
00:02:29 <Zarutian> laðe
00:02:56 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Trying to remember. It might not be 'th' in particular I first noticed this in, so I mightn't've found those yet
00:03:20 <Zarutian> laðer up
00:03:37 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: ch or sh maybe?
00:03:39 <FreeFull> grasshopper
00:03:58 <Zarutian> glasshopper?
00:04:06 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Ah, that's one
00:04:14 <oerjan> <Zarutian> oerjan: basically the norsk word for true <-- as i thought, but that still doesn't tell me what you think they say about the danish...
00:04:33 <hppavilion[1]> But it's one of the 5 major digraphs ({th, sh, ch, ng, ph}), [I might have missed some] and it isn't ng because that's common enough that you don't fall for it
00:04:50 <Zarutian> oerjan: so you are not familiar with the unspecified slur then
00:05:10 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: Potato in their mouth??
00:05:14 <hppavilion[1]> Probably not
00:05:18 <hppavilion[1]> English has a LOT of digraphs. I realized at one point that 'bh' should be [v]
00:05:27 <hppavilion[1]> (or for myname, 'w')
00:05:35 <FreeFull> http://satwcomic.com/
00:06:02 <Zarutian> hppavilion[1]: nono, it the slur is unspecified hence the listener will fill it in with any that they think will fit
00:06:08 <hppavilion[1]> Ah xD
00:06:37 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: "[sa:tv] comic"
00:07:13 <hppavilion[1]> What I really like is breaking phonotactics rules and making combinations of phonemes (is there a word for that?) english usually bans
00:08:19 <oerjan> <Zarutian> oerjan: so you are not familiar with the unspecified slur then <-- of course i am. several of them hth
00:08:26 <Zarutian> phono(n)antics?
00:08:41 <oerjan> (the potato one being the first i thought of, indeed, but i wasn't sure which one you meant.)
00:09:01 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: Wait, whence?
00:09:54 <FreeFull> http://satwcomic.com/language-lesson Speaking of potatoes in mouths
00:09:55 <Zarutian> hppavilion[1]: you were asking for a word for combining phonemes english usually bans, no?
00:09:59 <FreeFull> This is why I linked satw
00:10:47 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: I was commenting that I like doing that
00:11:03 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: But you said "hence" above, but whence is hence? I am confus
00:11:27 <hppavilion[1]> Wow, english syllabification is crazy
00:11:53 <hppavilion[1]> Most languages limit mostly to CV, VC, and CVC
00:12:18 <oerjan> mgrvgrvladje
00:12:41 <hppavilion[1]> English has the one-syllable word "strengths", which in some pronunciations is structured as CCCVCCCC
00:12:55 <hppavilion[1]> /strɛŋkθs/
00:13:22 <fizzie> There's at least CVCC in Finnish.
00:14:01 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: Ah, yes
00:14:07 <hppavilion[1]> fizzie: But jesus, CCCVCCCC
00:15:48 <boily> . o O ( are there any outrageux French consonant clusters? )
00:16:28 <hppavilion[1]> As far as is known, the syllable structure is <C^(n : n≤3) V^(n : 1≤n≤2) C^(n : n≤5)>
00:16:37 <hppavilion[1]> (wikipedia doesn't mention the vowel diphthonging)
00:18:16 <FreeFull> Here's a Polish tongue twister: "W Szczebrzeszynie chrząszcz brzmi w trzcinie i Szczebrzeszyn z tego słynie, wół go pyta - panie chrząszczu, po cóż pan tak brzęczy w gąszczu?"
00:18:49 <boily> I won't even think about even attempting that. too scary.
00:19:06 <FreeFull> My surname starts with Szcz too
00:19:21 <boily> `? FreeFull
00:19:22 <HackEgo> FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure.
00:19:32 <FreeFull> Filip Szczepański
00:19:48 <boily> `` sed -i 's/FreeFull/FreeFull the Unpronounceable/' wisdom/freefull
00:19:50 <HackEgo> wisdom/freefull//FreeFull the Unpronounceable is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure.
00:19:54 <hppavilion[1]> But fun violations are things like [^ŋ], [^ts], [^dz], [^gz], [^ks], [pf], [bv], [mn], [ps], [bz], etc. etc.
00:19:58 <FreeFull> My name actually isn't rare either =P
00:20:04 <hppavilion[1]> (^ being stolen from regex(
00:20:11 <hppavilion[1]> s/\(/)/
00:20:19 <hppavilion[1]> Wait.
00:20:26 <boily> FreeFull: there's a pesky ń in there.
00:20:34 <hppavilion[1]> That results in )^ being stolen from regex(, doesn't it?
00:20:36 * boily can't retroflex
00:20:41 <hppavilion[1]> revert
00:20:44 <FreeFull> boily: It's a separate letter from n
00:21:04 <FreeFull> Polish has 32 letters in its alphabet (despite lacking q, v and x)
00:21:23 <boily> it's a nice round number.
00:21:39 <hppavilion[1]> s/(?<=.+)\(/)/
00:21:41 <hppavilion[1]> There
00:21:46 <FreeFull> Maybe English could use more than 26 letters too
00:21:58 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: One letter per sound!
00:22:07 * hppavilion[1] hisses
00:22:14 <FreeFull> Polish doesn't even have one letter per sound
00:22:19 <FreeFull> Lots of sounds need digraphs
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00:22:27 <FreeFull> And some sounds have multiple representations
00:22:37 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: You're talking about english
00:22:45 <FreeFull> Yeah
00:23:02 <FreeFull> At least when you read a word in Polish, you probably know how to pronounce it right
00:23:02 <hppavilion[1]> *all* sounds have multiple representations in engliti
00:23:22 <hppavilion[1]> If "ng" is [ŋ], what's "nk"?
00:23:44 <FreeFull> You could show "Szczebrzeszyn" to a Polish person that has never seen it before, and they'll say it right
00:24:12 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: Imagine the chaos if English would have imported even more sounds
00:24:22 <FreeFull> There are lots of sounds in other languages that aren't in English
00:24:26 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: It would be glorious
00:24:28 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: orly?
00:24:31 <boily> fungot: do you cluster?
00:24:32 <fungot> boily: curwen's only close friends had been one edward hutchinson of salem-village and one simon orne of salem which made the fnord citizens there were present for active service capt. whipple, the leader, capt. orne, as a stiff bloated corpse gently rises above an oily river that flows under the endless onyx bridges to a black cell where i shall fnord interminably, while fnord interesting and in several of the malodorous
00:24:38 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: ya rly
00:24:50 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: I hardly know'em!
00:25:11 <boily> hppavilion[1]: [χ] is a good sound.
00:25:25 <hppavilion[1]> boily: is it distinct from [x]?
00:25:35 <FreeFull> I don't know how to speak IPA
00:25:57 <boily> hppavilion[1]: it is. it's the unvoiced version of [ʁ]
00:27:16 <FreeFull> Like, how am I meant to know how to pronounce an upside down R
00:27:21 <hppavilion[1]> Also, since <Qu> is [kw], I conclude that <Qi> is [kj], <Qe> is sometimes [kɛ ̑] and other times [kj], etc.
00:27:33 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Upside down
00:27:48 <FreeFull> The Polish word for square is "kwadrat"
00:28:00 <FreeFull> Compare to English "quadratic"
00:28:08 <hppavilion[1]> Find a chinup bar or a table, in the former case loop your legs over (if advanced) and in the latter lay down and go as far back as you can.
00:28:28 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: But I'm not even a pirate
00:28:41 <hppavilion[1]> My mother thought Deep Throat- the Nixon guy- was named because his voice was really low and glottal.
00:28:55 <boily> `? tetrapleur
00:28:56 <HackEgo> tetrapleur is the new name of quadrilaterals.
00:29:17 <FreeFull> rectangle -> czworokont (literally "four angles")
00:29:31 <FreeFull> Wait, no
00:29:38 <FreeFull> That'd be a quadrilateral
00:30:17 <FreeFull> Rectangle is "prostokąt"
00:30:25 <FreeFull> And that previous on should be ą too
00:30:46 <FreeFull> ą in that position tends to get pronounced as "on" instead
00:35:12 <boily> en:square → fr:carré, en:rectangle → fr:rectangle, en:quadrilateral → fr:quadrilatère, en:lozenge → fr:lozange.
00:38:11 <FreeFull> I wonder what the Russian word for shark is
00:38:23 <FreeFull> Polish borrowed the word from French
00:38:40 <boily> requin?
00:38:44 <FreeFull> Rekin.
00:39:15 <FreeFull> Apparently the Russian is "акула" (akula)
00:39:45 <FreeFull> I don't even know where English got "shark" from
00:41:11 <FreeFull> Apparently people aren't fully sure for the fish meaning of it
00:41:59 <FreeFull> In German shark is "Hai" which is also completely different
00:42:06 <oerjan> huh so "loan shark" is not metaphorically fishy
00:42:33 <FreeFull> oerjan: Yeah, "loan shark" seems to be germanic in origin
00:42:44 <oerjan> it's from a german word meaning scoundrel. which seems to be cognate to norwegian "skurk".
00:43:17 <FreeFull> Also, take the word squirrel, also tends to be very different depending on language
00:43:18 <oerjan> (which means more like villain)
00:43:42 <oerjan> (incidentally shark is hai in norwegian too)
00:44:03 <boily> `? squirrel
00:44:04 <HackEgo> squirrel? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
00:44:44 <boily> `? chuchichäschtli
00:44:46 <HackEgo> chuchichäschtli is spoken as [ˈχʊχːiˌχæʃːtli]
00:44:47 <FreeFull> English: "squirrel", German: "Eichhörnchen", Russian: "белка" (belka), French: "écureuil", Polish: "wiewiórka"
00:44:56 <FreeFull> I guess the English word might have come from French
00:45:49 <boily> FreeFull: is you see a word-initial «é-», or mesial «-ê-», there's a very high chance that Old French had «es-» or «-es-». from there you can map the English version.
00:48:06 <boily> it also works with «â/î/ô/û».
00:48:28 <FreeFull> Often, Polish and Russian will have a different word for the same thing, but they will both have slavic origin
00:48:49 <FreeFull> I guess ultimately most languages in Europe are Indo-European anyway
00:49:05 <FreeFull> Except for like Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian, Basque...
00:50:08 <oerjan> Turkish too
00:51:05 <FreeFull> Coincidentally "белка" means something completely different in Macedonian, and "belka" is also different in Polish
00:52:05 <FreeFull> At least Turkic languages are fairly widespread
00:52:13 <izalove> https://arin.ga/ybhUnE/raw
00:52:45 <FreeFull> I wonder what country has the most ethnic groups
00:53:07 <FreeFull> You wouldn't guess it, but Russia has a lot of different ones. They swallowed lots of people during their expansion
00:53:08 <boily> izalove: lol -bf?
00:53:17 <oerjan> why wouldn't i guess it
00:53:29 <izalove> boily: i'm passing -bf as options to gawk
00:53:33 <oerjan> it's exactly what i would guess if i had to guess europe
00:53:37 <FreeFull> Because Russia likes to pretend they're one big uniform slavic thing
00:53:45 <Zarutian> FreeFull: hmm probably some African country. You cant go anywhere without tripping over at least two diffrent ethnic groups
00:53:49 <boily> FreeFull: careful with guessing. you've got Professional Guessers in here, I guess.
00:54:07 <Zarutian> FreeFull: though many westerners would be hard pressed to tell them apart
00:54:08 <FreeFull> Zarutian: African countries aren't that big though (Even though Africa itself is rather huge)
00:54:18 <boily> izalove: but what is the "lol" part?
00:54:33 <izalove> brainfuck interpreter and i'm passing -bf as options to gawk
00:54:35 <izalove> come on
00:54:37 <FreeFull> You'll get like, 5, 6 ethnic groups mixed in one country
00:54:37 <izalove> it's fun
00:54:43 <boily> aaaaaaaaaaaaah.
00:54:51 <FreeFull> Now think about how big Russia is. In both Europe, and Asia
00:56:19 <Zarutian> it crosses what? at least six timezones?
00:56:29 <oerjan> i'm guessing india, btw
00:57:02 <oerjan> they have heaps of ethnic groups, and are in the process of becoming the world's most populous country
00:57:04 <FreeFull> Russia ranges from UTC+2 to UTC+12, not sure how accurate that is geographically though
00:57:29 <FreeFull> India does have a lot of ethnic groups
00:57:37 <Zarutian> talking about india. That modi character has blown off both his legs with that bankbill capper.
00:57:43 <FreeFull> I'd still guess Russia myself
00:58:28 <oerjan> Zarutian: is this a fact or your wishful thinking
00:58:40 <FreeFull> The USA had a lot of different groups of native americans.. I wonder how many are still kicking
00:58:46 * oerjan should take a look at bbc news
00:58:57 <FreeFull> Europeans happened
00:59:03 <Zarutian> oerjan: from those reports I have seen it seems like it is turning out to be fact
00:59:15 <FreeFull> Goddamn humans, they're ruining humanity
01:00:29 <oerjan> FreeFull: 's ok humans will split up again just as fast hth
01:01:05 <Zarutian> oerjan: "Herp! Lets take 88.8% or so of cash out of circulation where 98% or so of the economy is cash based. Derp!"
01:01:36 <FreeFull> Tbh if other animals would evolve to be as smart as humans, they wouldn't do any better
01:01:53 <FreeFull> Just ask the sea otters raping baby seals
01:02:07 <FreeFull> Or dolphins with their weird blowhole fetish
01:03:25 <FreeFull> And you could bet chimps would go to war as much as humans do
01:03:46 <Zarutian> what about elephants?
01:03:54 <hppavilion[1]> Huh, SOS isn't an acronym at all
01:03:59 <hppavilion[1]> (or initialism)
01:04:07 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: Yeah, it's just really easy in morse
01:04:09 <hppavilion[1]> So anyone who writes "S.O.S." is an idiot.
01:04:32 <hppavilion[1]> Hm.
01:04:46 <Zarutian> it is an morse 'prosign'
01:05:08 <FreeFull> ... --- ...
01:05:24 <hppavilion[1]> I've never been clear, are you supposed to do repeated SOSes in morse as "SOS [pause] SOS [pause] SOS [pause]" or as "SOSOSOSOSOSOSOSO"
01:05:32 <Zarutian> well S. O. S. can stand for "Spurt Og Svarað" in Icelandic.
01:05:38 <Zarutian> hppavilion[1]: the former
01:05:44 <hppavilion[1]> OK
01:05:48 <FreeFull> "sos" means "sauce" in Polish
01:08:32 <hppavilion[1]> Norway, norway, über alles...
01:08:33 <hppavilion[1]> :P
01:08:48 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: What kind of sos are we talkin?
01:08:58 <hppavilion[1]> (Even if it's not specific, what kind is it likely in this case?)
01:09:17 <Zarutian> so using binary 1bit wide "PCM" it should sound like: "010101011101110111010101000010101011101110111010101000"
01:09:58 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: The kind of sauce you'd have on food
01:10:02 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: Wat?
01:10:03 <FreeFull> Not specific
01:10:09 <hppavilion[1]> PCM
01:10:34 <FreeFull> Pulse-Code Modulation presumably
01:10:47 <hppavilion[1]> Ah
01:10:55 <Zarutian> hppavilion[1]: Pulse Code Modulation. Basically numerical samples feed to a DAC which is connected to an loudspeaker.
01:11:09 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: Yes, but in this context what would you guess? If you say "I'm going to get sauce" while holding a tray of steak at a barbecue, they assume you mean barbecue sauce.
01:11:14 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> Norway, norway, über alles... <-- wtf is it now
01:11:22 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: Not sure?
01:11:44 <hppavilion[1]> oerjan: "norway" and "deutschland" have the same number of syllables (as do literally all other 2-syllable words)
01:11:54 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: It depends on what you're eating I guess. If you want ketchup you'd specify ketchup, rather than just say sauce
01:11:57 <Jafet> hark, a norwoerjan
01:12:18 <FreeFull> orangean
01:12:25 <oerjan> hppavilion[1]: so, basically, just a spur of the moment crap outburst?
01:12:36 <hppavilion[1]> FreeFull: You wouldn't say "catsup", of course
01:12:38 <hppavilion[1]> EVER
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01:12:57 <FreeFull> hppavilion[1]: May I interest you in some mushroom catsup, perhaps?
01:12:59 <Zarutian> catsup? is it short for cats supper?
01:13:15 <FreeFull> No, you shouldn't feed mushrooms to cats
01:13:15 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: Some people spell and pronounce "ketchup" as "catsup"
01:13:25 <hppavilion[1]> Zarutian: We just generally don't speak to them
01:13:35 <FreeFull> "catsup" is the original word
01:13:39 * hppavilion[1] wanders off
01:13:43 <FreeFull> There were all sorts of catsups, tomato catsup just won out
01:13:54 <FreeFull> And morphed into ketchup
01:13:57 <Zarutian> kjetsup?
01:14:13 <Zarutian> I always thought it was kjetsúpa
01:14:16 <boily> fruit ketchup is the best ^^
01:14:21 <Zarutian> (meatsoupe)
01:16:00 <boily> soupe is soupe, it's not ketchup.
01:16:36 <FreeFull> Soup is "zupa"
01:17:20 <boily> `? szoup
01:17:22 <HackEgo> A szoup a szilárd tápszereknek híg alakban való elkészítése a célból, hogy könnyebben emészthetők legyenek; a hígító anyag a viz, mely feloldja s magába veszi a tápanyag legértékesebb részeit.
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01:23:23 <boily> . o O ( are there organ plushies out there? )
01:34:42 <FreeFull> boily: As in, musical instrument, or internal organs?
01:34:52 <FreeFull> I'm pretty sure I've seen heart plushies
01:35:14 <FreeFull> The musical instrument kind will probably be much harder to find
01:35:29 <fizzie> That reminded me of those distribution plushies.
01:35:49 <fizzie> https://www.etsy.com/listing/71739287/collection-of-10-distribution-plushies
01:36:21 <boily> FreeFull: the internal kind. I'd like to have a cow stomach one :D
01:36:44 <fizzie> boily: You have something against probability distributions?
01:36:56 <FreeFull> boily: Which one? Or all four of them?
01:38:28 <FreeFull> I guess it's really one stomach, but with four distinct chambers
01:39:09 <boily> `quote zipf
01:39:10 <HackEgo> 1121) <boily> everything is either zipf, branford, poisson, gamma, or uniform. outside of that, it's a weird curve invented by sadistic statistics teachers.
01:39:29 <boily> FreeFull: the whole set!
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01:41:37 <FreeFull> boily: What about the geometric distribution?
01:42:32 <fizzie> You can also get into a truncated normal.
01:42:43 <boily> LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA ♪
01:44:03 <shachaf> boily: what about our friend the zipf distribution?
01:44:10 <FreeFull> If you know about geometric series, you already know how a geometric distribution works
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01:48:06 <boily> shachaf: hellochaf. zipf is OKAY.
01:48:13 <shachaf> boily: another important one you should mention is our friend the branford distribution
01:48:34 <boily> are you listing the list I listed in the list?
01:48:47 <FreeFull> What about... binomial?
01:49:01 <shachaf> boily: and that's not even mentioning our friend the poisson distribution
01:49:11 <shachaf> boily: http://i.imgur.com/bz6BAdb.png hth
01:49:47 <FreeFull> Ken M strikes again
01:50:03 * boily *THWACKS* shachaf. 1.00 FP. you got me there.
01:50:16 <shachaf> is that supposed to be a pun unit?
01:50:39 <boily> yes, it's the FunPun, but you deserve a full unit of it nevertheless.
01:50:51 <shachaf> `? thwackamapoleit
01:50:52 <HackEgo> thwackamapoleit? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
01:51:44 <boily> `? thwackamacallit
01:51:46 <HackEgo> A thwackamacallit is like a whatchamacallit, but more painful. See mapole.
01:51:47 <FreeFull> Floating Programming Functional Point
01:52:18 <boily> Federal Provision For Preventing Fire Propagation
01:53:21 <FreeFull> Front Positive, False Page.
01:54:20 <boily> Fungot Ponders Future Prerogatives
01:54:45 <FreeFull> The currency symbol for FP is ㌨
01:55:09 <pikhq> Orly?
01:55:13 <oerjan> `unidecode ㌨
01:55:14 <boily> FreeFull: eh?
01:55:15 <HackEgo> ​[U+3328 SQUARE NANO]
01:55:28 <oerjan> wat
01:55:32 <pikhq> Yeah, thought it just said "nano" in katakana.
01:55:58 <FreeFull> Or how about ⊼
01:56:07 <oerjan> `unidecode ⊼
01:56:07 <HackEgo> ​[U+22BC NAND]
01:56:40 * oerjan wonders if there's a point
01:56:52 <FreeFull> NaN
01:56:57 <boily> or maybe 🐦, as it originally was a shachaf?
01:57:10 <oerjan> `unidecode 🐦
01:57:15 <HackEgo> U+1F426 BIRD \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 a6 UTF-16BE: d83ddc26 Decimal: &#128038; \ 🐦 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals)
01:57:26 <FreeFull> Or, we could use runic
01:57:52 <FreeFull> ᚠᛈ
01:59:23 <oerjan> that bird is not specific enough, it should be 🐦̼
01:59:49 <FreeFull> `unidecode
01:59:50 <HackEgo> No output.
01:59:50 <boily> `unidecode 🐦̼
01:59:51 <HackEgo> U+1F426 BIRD \ UTF-8: f0 9f 90 a6 UTF-16BE: d83ddc26 Decimal: &#128038; \ 🐦 \ Category: So (Symbol, Other) \ Bidi: ON (Other Neutrals) \ \ U+033C COMBINING SEAGULL BELOW \ UTF-8: cc bc UTF-16BE: 033c Decimal: &#828; \ ̼ \ Category: Mn (Mark, Non-Spacing) \ Bidi: NSM (Non-Spacing Mark) \ Combining: 220 (Below) \ \ U+0020 SPACE \ UTF-8: 20
02:00:06 <boily> heh :D
02:00:18 <shachaf> comboily below
02:00:21 <FreeFull> That doesn't look so great at 9pt in a terminal
02:00:27 <FreeFull> With a low-dpi screen
02:00:51 <boily> itym comboily.
02:00:58 <boily> uh.
02:01:02 <boily> I failed.
02:01:09 * pikhq concludes that something, somewhere is being really braindamaged in his terminal
02:01:24 <pikhq> So, I'm not seeing all these emoji. That much is not weird at all.
02:01:32 <pikhq> ... Each one is rendering as *two* replacement characters.
02:02:10 <pikhq> Like, WTF, is something somewhere parsing UTF-8, encoding to UTF-16, and then treating it as UCS-2?
02:02:18 <FreeFull> Your IRC client might assume all characters fit in the basic multilingual plane
02:02:43 <FreeFull> UCS-2 definitely is involved somewhere
02:04:03 <FreeFull> Time for me to get some sleep
02:04:40 <pikhq> Looks like it's my terminal, not my IRC client.
02:05:12 <pikhq> Well. One of 'em. I'm in screen session in mosh.
02:05:32 <pikhq> It's mosh!
02:06:13 <shachaf> Are you sure about that?
02:06:14 <zzo38> It is one of the purposes of what I suggested in the font loading mechanism in X version 12, where you can set a EnableLigatures flag if you want to use stuff such as UTF-16 (this flag can also be used for ligatures, which is why it has that name)
02:06:21 <shachaf> screen doesn't support 4-byte UTF-8 sequences if I remember correctly.
02:06:35 <pikhq> shachaf: At least, inside of the terminal it works, in mosh it does not.
02:06:45 <pikhq> I can also test if screen is broken too.
02:07:23 <pikhq> In screen in ssh it *seems* to work just fine.
02:08:38 <zzo38> It would still use 16-bit characters like version 11 does, although the extra EnableLigatures and EnableAntialiasing flags can help to do extra stuff (the client, font, and server all needto use the flag if it is to have any effect).
02:08:53 <pikhq> And I'm on a version of glibc with reasonably up-to-date wcwidth data.
02:09:43 <zzo38> Although I also invented UTCE to avoid the problem of wcwidth and various other problems too; UTCE is compatible with X11.
02:10:17 <pikhq> And the version of screen I'm on is not one with support for non-BMP chars... So that might be *part* of the problem.
02:10:55 <zzo38> Then maybe you should install the version that does support, if you need that function
02:11:34 <pikhq> What's weird is, it seems mosh is acting up.
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02:16:52 <zzo38> IRC client I use is always using the same encoding as the terminal; it has no setting for the encoding nor does it care (as long as it is a ASCII-compatible encoding).
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02:31:44 <oerjan> <hppavilion[1]> What would an ASCIUS be? <-- huh it's an actual word...
02:31:48 <oerjan> `? ascii
02:31:49 <HackEgo> ascii is the plural of ascius
02:32:35 <oerjan> `learn Ascii is the plural of ascius, "of or pertaining to southern countries, near the equator".
02:32:37 <HackEgo> Relearned 'ascii': Ascii is the plural of ascius, "of or pertaining to southern countries, near the equator".
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03:21:07 <shachaf> `5 w
03:21:17 <HackEgo> 1/2:dynamic-unwind//dynamic-unwind is just like dynamic-wind except that it's a different sort of weather. \ mothball//Mothballs are the main ingredient of a traditional soup of Eastern European origin. \ ghoul//Ghouls are undead that eat BRAINS. So basically, bog standard undead like zombies or wights, but with some fancy back stor
03:21:21 <shachaf> `5 w
03:21:25 <HackEgo> 1/2:entrymsg//ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki> \ freefull//FreeFull the Unpronounceable is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ automatic squirrel feeder//Automatic squirrel feeders are just feeders in the category of automatic squirrels.
03:21:46 <shachaf> oops
03:21:49 <shachaf> meant to `spam
03:21:51 <shachaf> `spam
03:21:52 <HackEgo> 2/2: Taneb invented them. hppavilion[1] uninvented them. \ metasepia//metasepia knew the weather at your nearest airport, and also something about ducks. \ fixed point theorem//The Fixed Point Theorem states that every planet P will have a point where Archimedes can stand to move it.
03:22:47 <shachaf> `dowt fixed point theorem
03:22:49 <HackEgo> 8794:2016-07-11 <quintopïa> le/rn fixed point theorem/The Fixed Point Theorem states that every planet P will have a point where Archimedes can stand to move it.
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05:47:30 <\oren\> AAAAAAA\
05:47:32 <\oren\> \
05:48:01 <\oren\> I burned up in the atmoshpere a third time
05:49:46 <alercah> ow
05:50:55 <\oren\> it seems I really need a bigger heat shield
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06:28:20 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: How are you still alive?
06:28:24 <hppavilion[1]> Are... are you
06:28:29 <hppavilion[1]> Hey! Who turned out the lights?
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06:44:00 <\oren\> I am
06:44:12 <\oren\> all my kerbals survived the fourth attempt
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06:50:09 <zzo38> Are words "ascian" and "ascii" valid words for use in Scrabble?
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08:12:01 <hppavilion[1]> zzo38: "ascii" yes whether or not they say you can, "ascian" probably not given that I've never heard it
08:12:10 <hppavilion[1]> \oren\: Wow. So proud. High success rate.
08:13:11 <shachaf> `5 w
08:13:21 <HackEgo> 1/2:mips//MIPS Is Popular in Schools. \ patent//Patent is an adjective which means that something is painfully obvious. Often used to rightfully mock people that do not see it. \ ursala//~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J,^|J/~& ~&rt!=+ ^= ~&s+ ~&H(-+.|=&lrr;,|=&lrl;,|=&ll;+-, ~&rgg&& ~&irtPFXlrjrXP
08:13:24 <shachaf> `spam
08:13:24 <HackEgo> 2/2:S; ~&lrK2tkZ2g&& ~&llrSL2rDrlPrrPljXSPTSL)+-, \ toe//The TOE is the Toe of Everything, from which our universe sprang. \ gregor//Gregor took forty cakes. He took 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
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08:52:46 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50267&oldid=50263 * Sygmei * (+68)
08:53:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50268&oldid=50267 * Sygmei * (+16)
08:54:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50269&oldid=50268 * Sygmei * (+54)
08:55:17 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50270&oldid=50269 * Sygmei * (-102)
08:55:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50271&oldid=50270 * Sygmei * (-1)
08:55:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50272&oldid=50271 * Sygmei * (-8)
08:56:32 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50273&oldid=50272 * Sygmei * (+20)
08:59:27 <myname> such spam
09:00:16 <shachaf> `5 w
09:00:21 <HackEgo> 1/2:rainbow//Rainbows are spectral creatures said to be powered by the Daystar. \ jesus//Jesus was the name of a famous wisdom creator. \ the walrus//In order to obtain the unredacted documents specifying the true identity of the walrus, contact the Glass Onion (mailing address: UH2BEStWmPI). \ vi//vi is in a relationship with emacs
09:00:23 <shachaf> `spam
09:00:24 <HackEgo> 2/2:. \ quote//Quotes are just elements of the quantum dilapidated bogosphere. See qdb.
09:00:40 <shachaf> `dowt vi
09:00:42 <HackEgo> 6234:2015-11-20 <mromän> learn vi is in a relationship with emacs \ 6241:2015-11-23 <oerjän> ` sed -i \'s/$/./\' wisdom/vi
09:01:27 <izalove> in this page http://calmerthanyouare.org/2015/01/07/optimizing-brainfuck.html
09:01:42 <izalove> is their ScanRight optimization correct?
09:01:46 <izalove> oh
09:01:49 <izalove> it is
09:01:51 <izalove> ignore me
09:01:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50274&oldid=50273 * Sygmei * (+553)
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09:07:02 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50275&oldid=50274 * Sygmei * (+689)
09:10:53 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50276&oldid=50275 * Sygmei * (+915)
09:13:01 <hppavilion[1]> I was called
09:13:06 <hppavilion[1]> `cwlprits the walrus
09:13:08 <HackEgo> oerjän oerjän hppavilion[1̈]
09:13:25 <hppavilion[1]> 1 umlaut...
09:13:28 <shachaf> `cat bin/culprits
09:13:29 <HackEgo> hoag "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs
09:13:50 <shachaf> `mkx bin/culprist//hoat "$@" | awk '{print substr($1,2,length($1)-2)}' | xargs
09:13:54 <HackEgo> bin/culprist
09:24:13 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50277&oldid=50276 * Sygmei * (+1390)
09:28:28 <hppavilion[1]> `howg the walrus
09:28:30 <HackEgo> ​<oerjän> slwd the walrus//s,$,., \ <oerjän> slwd the walrus//s,.,, \ <hppavilion[1̈]> le/rn the walrus//In order to obtain the unredacted documents specifying the true identity of the walrus, contact the Glass Onion (mailing address: UH2BEStWmPI)
09:28:40 <hppavilion[1]> jk. I don't know any of the h..g commands.
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09:39:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50280&oldid=50141 * Sygmei * (+674)
09:42:40 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50281&oldid=50280 * Sygmei * (+7) /* Kitanai */
09:42:55 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Deadfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50282&oldid=50281 * Sygmei * (-4) /* Kitanai */
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10:23:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Kitanai]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50284&oldid=50283 * Sygmei * (+873) /* Examples */
10:31:14 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Slnetaiga]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50285&oldid=50257 * Slnetaiga * (+75)
10:31:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Slnetaiga]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50286&oldid=50285 * Slnetaiga * (+1)
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11:28:07 <izalove> do you think it would be useful for a brainfuck interpreter to try to recognize https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_algorithms and https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck_constants ?
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11:34:01 <boily> @metar CYUL
11:34:01 <lambdabot> CYUL 181117Z 36003KT 320V030 2SM BR BKN002 02/01 A3017 RMK ST7 VIS VRBN 1-3 SLP219
11:34:34 <boily> 2SM BR with VIS VRBN 1-3 indeed. everything is gray outside.
12:08:20 <boily> . o O ( there should be horizontal timezones... )
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12:52:44 <b_jonas> they changed City in a Bottle to no longer care about the expansion symbol? wow
12:53:20 <b_jonas> That means City in a Bottle can now kill by Time Spiral special Dandan, not only my Chronicles Dandan?
12:55:09 <b_jonas> and my Erg Raiders too
13:07:27 <b_jonas> And similarly, Golgothian Sylex can now kill Ornithopter and Yotian Soldier; Apocalypse Chime can kill Giant Oyster and Labyrinth Minotaur.
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13:38:24 <int-e> Damn, schlockmercenary lost me... why snow? Are they teraporting part of the ocean?
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15:09:22 <myname> `relcome LKoen
15:09:29 <HackEgo> LKoen: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
15:10:00 <LKoen> relcome to you too ryname
15:10:18 <myname> thatjs not how it works
15:10:25 <myname> r is for rainbow
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15:38:38 <LKoen> I did not see any rainbow myname
15:39:12 <myname> one of those nasty color strippers
15:40:16 <oerjan> shocking
15:41:46 <myname> i forgot the camel case version, that could be at least a bit annoying
15:44:55 <oerjan> `WeLcOmE myname
15:44:56 <HackEgo> MyNaMe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: <hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/>. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On eFnEt oR DaLnEt.)
15:45:17 <oerjan> VeRy lOgIcAl hTh
15:45:58 <oerjan> `` ls bin/*com*
15:45:59 <HackEgo> bin/autowelcome \ bin/<command> \ bin/complain \ bin/complaints \ bin/elcome \ bin/ozcome \ bin/relcome \ bin/rwelcome \ bin/velcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/welcome \ bin/Welcome \ bin/wellcome \ bin/wercome
15:46:24 <oerjan> `` ls bin | grep -i 'come'
15:46:24 <b_jonas> ``` echo bin/*[lL][cC]*[mM]*
15:46:25 <HackEgo> autowelcome \ elcome \ ozcome \ relcome \ ReLcOmE \ rwelcome \ velcome \ welcome \ welcome \ wElCoMe \ Welcome \ WeLcOmE \ WELCOME \ wellcome \ wercome
15:46:25 <HackEgo> bin/welcome bin/ReLcOmE bin/WELCOME bin/WeLcOmE bin/Welcome bin/autowelcome bin/elcome bin/relcome bin/rwelcome bin/velcome bin/wElCoMe bin/walcama bin/wehlcohme bin/welcome bin/welcöme bin/wellcome bin/wlcm bin/wlcmr bin/wälcåmä
15:46:32 <b_jonas> ``` echo bin/*[lL][cC]*[mM]* | cat -v
15:46:33 <HackEgo> bin/^Bwelcome bin/ReLcOmE bin/WELCOME bin/WeLcOmE bin/Welcome bin/autowelcome bin/elcome bin/relcome bin/rwelcome bin/velcome bin/wElCoMe bin/walcama bin/wehlcohme bin/welcome bin/welcM-CM-6me bin/wellcome bin/wlcm bin/wlcmr bin/wM-CM-$lcM-CM-%mM-CM-$
15:46:45 <b_jonas> `WELCOME B_JONAS
15:46:54 <myname> whe hell is wellcome
15:47:03 <b_jonas> `Welcome B_Jonas
15:47:04 <HackEgo> B_Jonas: Welcome To The International Hub For Esoteric Programming Language Design And Deployment! For More Information, Check Out Our Wiki: <Http://Esolangs.Org/>. (For The Other Kind Of Esoterica, Try #Esoteric On EFnet Or DALnet.)
15:47:07 <oerjan> `cat bin/wellcome
15:47:08 <HackEgo> ​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | sed s/l/ll/g
15:47:13 <b_jonas> `elcome
15:47:15 <HackEgo> elcome o he nternational ub or soteric rogramming anguage esign nd eployment! or ore nformation, heck ut ur iki: <ttp://solangs.rg/>. (or he ther ind f soterica, ry #soteric n Fnet r ALnet.)
15:47:18 <oerjan> exactly what it says on the tin
15:47:18 <myname> lol
15:47:26 <b_jonas> lol
15:47:31 <b_jonas> `velcome
15:47:32 <HackEgo> Velcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our viki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
15:47:36 <b_jonas> `walacma
15:47:37 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: walacma: not found
15:47:47 <b_jonas> `wehlcohme
15:47:48 <HackEgo> Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: <http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/>. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn EhFneht ohr DAhLneht.)
15:47:58 <b_jonas> `welcmr
15:47:58 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcmr: not found
15:48:26 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rlw welcome bin
15:48:31 <HackEgo> bin/Welcome \ bin/emoclew \ bin/ουελκομε \ bin/welcöme \ bin/wlcm \ bin/bienvenue \ bin/wElCoMe \ bin/velcome \ bin/bienvenido \ bin/WELCOME \ bin/welcome \ bin/walcama \ bin/wälcåmä \ bin/benvenuto \ bin/welcome \ bin/relcome \ bin/WeLcOmE \ bin/willkommen \ bin/welcome \ bin/tervetuloa \ bin/zalgreet \ bin/jrypb
15:49:08 <b_jonas> `wlcmr
15:49:09 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
15:50:55 <myname> where's the catch?
15:51:55 <b_jonas> have you noticed that the executables for most of the foreign language welcome scripts still contain welcome?
15:52:30 <myname> `willkommen
15:52:31 <HackEgo> Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.)
15:52:51 <oerjan> b_jonas: that's because we use wisdom/welcome.<language code> to contain the text
15:54:48 <b_jonas> yep
15:54:58 <b_jonas> I did look in private message
15:55:17 <oerjan> (it used to be more variable, but i decided to make that a rule)
15:55:35 <oerjan> although it could be that i missed some...
15:55:48 <oerjan> `` rgrep -l esolangs wisdom
15:55:50 <b_jonas> `emoclew b_jonas
15:55:51 <HackEgo> ​(.tenLAD ro tenFE no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF) .</gro.sgnalose//:ptth> :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW :sanoj_b
15:55:55 <HackEgo> wisdom/entrymsg \ wisdom/welcome.eo \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.fi \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/selamlar \ wisdom/wercome \ wisdom/olsner \ wisdom/brainfuck \ wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/wiki \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.es \ wisdom/welcome.de
15:56:18 <oerjan> `grwp esolangs
15:56:20 <HackEgo> brainfuck:brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. The name is a euphemism for "beef". bf -c -t "+>+++++>+++" | mklang --array \ entrymsg:ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: <http://esolangs.org/wiki> \ olsner:olsner seems to exist at least. He builds all his esolangs in diesel engines.
15:56:26 <oerjan> oh hmph
15:56:38 <oerjan> `cat bin7grwp
15:56:39 <b_jonas> ``` cgrep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/wiki bin
15:56:39 <HackEgo> cat: bin7grwp: No such file or directory
15:56:40 <HackEgo> bash: cgrep: command not found
15:56:43 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/wiki bin
15:56:43 <HackEgo> No output.
15:56:45 <oerjan> `cat bin/grwp
15:56:45 <HackEgo> ​#! /bin/bash \ cd wisdom; shopt -s dotglob; grep -R "$@" -- *
15:56:53 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/wiki wisdom
15:56:54 <HackEgo> wisdom/entrymsg \ wisdom/welcome.eo \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/selamlar \ wisdom/wercome \ wisdom/reflection \ wisdom/wiki \ wisdom/welcome.de
15:57:02 <b_jonas> `? welcome.eo
15:57:03 <HackEgo> Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-on: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.)
15:57:10 <b_jonas> `bonvenon
15:57:11 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bonvenon: not found
15:57:18 <myname> btw, did anyone here actually contributed to the esolang contest?
15:57:25 <b_jonas> myname: yes, ais523 did
15:57:47 <oerjan> `` grwp -l esolangs
15:57:48 <HackEgo> brainfuck \ entrymsg \ olsner \ reflection \ selamlar \ welcome \ welcome.de \ welcome.eo \ welcome.es \ welcome.fi \ welcome.fr \ welcome.nl \ welcome.sv \ wercome \ wiki
15:57:50 <b_jonas> myname: and someone else posted some esolang designed for the contest onto the wiki, before the contest deadline
15:57:54 <myname> well, not unexpected
15:57:59 <b_jonas> I don't know if that counts as "here"
15:58:04 <myname> ah
15:58:12 <b_jonas> ais523 even said in advance that he would
15:58:20 <oerjan> `? wercome
15:58:21 <HackEgo> ​エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ!詳しく、ウィキを見て: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。(他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ)
15:58:27 <b_jonas> and it's a rather interesting esolang too
15:58:34 <oerjan> that's japanese, isn't it
15:58:45 <myname> it is
15:58:58 <myname> b_jonas: do you have a link ready?
15:59:03 <oerjan> `` mv wisdom/{wercome,welcome.jp}
15:59:08 <HackEgo> No output.
15:59:21 <oerjan> `cwlprits welcome.jp
15:59:23 <b_jonas> myname: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Incident
15:59:23 <HackEgo> oerjän
15:59:35 <b_jonas> myname: just search for CALESYTA on the wiki
15:59:38 <oerjan> `` rgrep wercome bin
15:59:39 <HackEgo> bin/wercome:if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? wercome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "wercome"; }
16:00:01 <oerjan> `sled bin/wercome//s/wercome/welcome.jp/g
16:00:03 <HackEgo> bin/wercome//#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.jp"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.jp"; }
16:00:13 <oerjan> oh wait
16:00:16 <oerjan> is it jp or ja
16:00:30 <myname> there is a darcs repo histed at nethack4.org, i teresting
16:00:33 <oerjan> bah
16:00:40 <b_jonas> oerjan: ja or jpn
16:00:42 <oerjan> `? welcome.ja
16:00:43 <HackEgo> welcome.ja? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:00:56 <myname> it links to a 403
16:01:12 <oerjan> `` mv wisdom/welcome.j{p,a}; sled bin/wercome//s/jp/ja/
16:01:15 <HackEgo> bin/wercome//#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.ja"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.jp"; }
16:01:28 <oerjan> `sled bin/wercome//s/jp/ja/
16:01:30 <HackEgo> bin/wercome//#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome.ja"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome.ja"; }
16:03:46 <b_jonas> Is there a generic greeter where you give a language code as input?
16:04:12 <oerjan> <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/wiki bin <-- we don't actually use the wiki part any longer
16:05:19 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/ wisdom
16:05:21 <HackEgo> wisdom/welcome.fi \ wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/reflection \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.es
16:05:28 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org/ bin
16:05:29 <HackEgo> No output.
16:05:42 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw http://esolangs.org wisdom bin
16:05:44 <HackEgo> wisdom/entrymsg \ wisdom/welcome.eo \ wisdom/welcome.fr \ wisdom/welcome.fi \ wisdom/welcome.nl \ wisdom/selamlar \ wisdom/welcome \ wisdom/reflection \ wisdom/welcome.ja \ wisdom/wiki \ wisdom/welcome.sv \ wisdom/welcome.es \ wisdom/welcome.de
16:06:54 <b_jonas> `bienvenido
16:06:55 <HackEgo> ​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en EFnet o DALnet.)
16:06:59 <oerjan> <myname> it links to a 403 <-- you can only get it with darcs itself iuc
16:07:29 <oerjan> <b_jonas> Is there a generic greeter where you give a language code as input? <-- not that i recall
16:08:02 <oerjan> b_jonas: also we have https
16:08:05 <myname> :(
16:08:18 <b_jonas> ``` grep -Rliw "https?://esolangs\.org" wisdom bin
16:08:19 <HackEgo> No output.
16:08:28 <oerjan> but i dunno if any wisdoms use that
16:09:02 <b_jonas> and five other domain names like esolang.net and esolangs.xyz and esoteric-programming.com ?
16:09:07 <zzo38> If it is not accessible by HTTP then why is the URL with HTTP? How does darcs access it?
16:09:20 <oerjan> `` grwp -l esolangs.org/wiki
16:09:21 <HackEgo> entrymsg \ reflection \ selamlar \ welcome.de \ welcome.eo \ welcome.fr \ welcome.ja \ welcome.nl \ wiki
16:09:31 <b_jonas> zzo38: probably darcs accesses that url with methods other than GET, or urls below that
16:09:41 <oerjan> `? selamlar
16:09:42 <HackEgo> Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! Http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page: Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde #esoteric deneyin.)
16:09:51 <oerjan> hm is that turkish
16:10:04 <b_jonas> zzo38: and the url says http because it could also access repositories in other ways, possibly https or something
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16:11:47 <zzo38> What methods? If it uses any method then it will still be HTTP probably
16:11:54 <oerjan> `` mv wisdom/{selamlar,welcome.tr}
16:11:56 <HackEgo> No output.
16:12:01 <b_jonas> `? welcome.en
16:12:02 <HackEgo> welcome.en? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:12:03 <oerjan> `cwlprits welcome.tr
16:12:05 <HackEgo> oerjän
16:12:43 <oerjan> `grwp Main_Page
16:12:44 <b_jonas> zzo38: dunno, I'm just guessing from what subversion does. mind you, subversion reporistories on http can be accessed with plain http GET, in the sense that you get directory listing and file content that way, though not the history
16:12:45 <HackEgo> Binary file reflection matches \ welcome.de:Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.) \ welcome.eo:Bonvenon al la inte
16:13:02 <oerjan> `welcome
16:13:03 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
16:13:33 <b_jonas> `? welcome.en
16:13:34 <HackEgo> welcome.en? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:13:43 <b_jonas> `? welcome.pt
16:13:44 <HackEgo> welcome.pt? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:13:51 <oerjan> `slwd welcome.de//s,http.*age,<http://esolangs.org/>
16:13:52 <HackEgo> ​/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 34: unterminated `s' command
16:13:56 <oerjan> `slwd welcome.de//s,http.*age,<http://esolangs.org/>,
16:13:58 <HackEgo> welcome.de//Willkommen beim internationalen Zentrum für das Design und die Implementierung esoterischer Programmiersprachen! Für weitere Informationen besuchen Sie das Wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (Für andere Arten der Esoterik gibt es #esoteric auf EFnet oder DALnet.)
16:14:31 <oerjan> i'm going to do the rest in private hth
16:15:41 <b_jonas> there's no welcome.nb, welcome.no, welcome.nn
16:17:54 <oerjan> that turkish one is _so_ not right :P
16:18:05 <b_jonas> quite possible
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16:22:09 <oerjan> `slwd ENTRYMSG s,wiki,,
16:22:10 <HackEgo> usage: sled file//script
16:22:17 <oerjan> `slwd ENTRYMSG//s,wiki,,
16:22:18 <HackEgo> Roswbud!
16:22:28 <oerjan> `slwd entrymsg//s,wiki,,
16:22:30 <HackEgo> entrymsg//ENTRYMSG for #esoteric is Welcome to the esoteric programming channel! Wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>
16:23:12 <oerjan> `slwd wiki//s,/wiki,/,
16:23:16 <HackEgo> wiki//The wiki is at http://esolangs.org/
16:23:40 <oerjan> `slwd wiki//s,http.*,<&>,
16:23:43 <HackEgo> wiki//The wiki is at <http://esolangs.org/>
16:23:53 <oerjan> `slwd wiki//s,$,.,
16:23:55 <HackEgo> wiki//The wiki is at <http://esolangs.org/>.
16:27:10 <oerjan> there now all of them should use <http://esolangs.org/> (including angle brackets)
16:34:08 <oerjan> hm today's girl genius intermission has a two-armed dimo
16:34:31 <oerjan> i suppose it's supposed to happen in the future
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17:07:47 <b_jonas> by the way, has 277 been pbflisted yet?
17:07:55 <b_jonas> it's not very new, so it might have been
17:08:07 <b_jonas> `pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/277/
17:08:07 <HackEgo> pbflist http://pbfcomics.com/277/: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas
17:08:10 <int-e> oerjan: why not the distant past?
17:08:18 <b_jonas> probably it has been, but whatever
17:08:53 <int-e> oerjan: (while travelling with the circus, perhaps?)
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17:21:42 <oerjan> int-e: i thought of that too. the clothes at the first meeting don't seem to match.
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17:22:55 <oerjan> let's check some other occasions.
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17:25:18 <oerjan> int-e: he has the same hat at the first meeting and when he loses the arm, which is not the one in the current comic.
17:27:00 <oerjan> http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050513 http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060719
17:28:30 <oerjan> in fact, still after the time stop http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131101
17:28:32 <int-e> while you're overthinking it, it could also be Dimo's twin :-P
17:28:39 <oerjan> O KAY
17:29:09 <int-e> sorry, but I really intended to make this simpler rather than more complicated.
17:31:04 <oerjan> huh, that shows jenka in the same room as agatha
17:31:26 <oerjan> so they have met one more time
17:32:24 <oerjan> her hands definitely don't look entirely human
17:32:39 <int-e> so what kind of anniversary are the foglios celebrating anyway, or did I get that wron as well?
17:32:55 <int-e> . o O ( where is explaingg.com when you need it )
17:33:07 <oerjan> nothing in the blog...
17:33:27 <oerjan> anniversary?
17:33:47 <int-e> thinking about wednesday's comic
17:34:09 <oerjan> well that shows how the author avatars met
17:34:18 <oerjan> i'm not sure there was an occasion?
17:35:04 <oerjan> and this is the first opportunity to show something like that since she showed up in the main story afair
17:37:27 <oerjan> dimo hasn't got a new hat in the main story yet.
17:38:02 <oerjan> although it never said he lost his original uniform, really, he just had to dress up.
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18:20:37 <zzo38> Now I wrote a program in JavaScript to compile OASYS text-adventure games into JavaScript. It is: https://www.npmjs.com/package/oasys-converter Here is the generated code for Escape From Planet Delta: http://sprunge.us/fOhA
18:21:20 <myname> nerd
18:24:47 <zzo38> (As you may see the code generator doesn't generate the most efficient code.)
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19:26:14 <myname> i like that kakouke has an ascii clippy, but it lacks 2 main features and glitches my dvtm :(
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19:35:12 <myname> it confuses me a lot
19:37:01 <quintopia> ... i sent out that pbf like weeks ago
19:40:10 <hppavilion[1]> quintopia: Which pbf??
19:40:18 <hppavilion[1]> dym pdf?
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19:52:13 <\oren\> Rain on Saturn's moon Titan might be less corrosive than the rain where I currently live.
19:52:56 <zzo38> I don't know much much it will rain on Saturn's moon
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20:18:55 <Zarutian> \oren\: where do you live? Anywhere that has Bergens skytorrents or?
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20:42:01 <myname> https://github.com/kw-udon/constexpr-8cc i heard you like compilers
20:42:31 <Zarutian> so you pulled a Zygbee and but an compiler inside of your compiler?
20:50:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50289&oldid=50262 * Slnetaiga * (+11) Added Alex
20:51:00 <myname> why didn't i know about elvm?
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21:03:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Alex]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50290 * Slnetaiga * (+1223) Created page with "'''Alex''', is an esoteric programming language, with stack-based memory like in [[brainfuck]], buts here strange syntax, and all command need be ended with: " - Alex." == Ex..."
21:04:06 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Slnetaiga]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=50291&oldid=50286 * Slnetaiga * (+11)
21:06:03 <\oren\> Zarutian: I live in toronto
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21:06:34 <Zarutian> \oren\: hail that has the same effect as sandblasting?
21:06:53 <\oren\> sometimes
21:09:07 <shachaf> Is there any information about http://catseye.tc/node/Okapi ?
21:09:19 <shachaf> It talks about an interpreter but I can't find it.
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23:59:03 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[HBL]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=50292 * Moon * (+1909) Created page for HBL https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uUJvkuB5j6Km6CoxprBmzGzYg0Kp7h-Z13eWx5GJOwE/edit?usp=sharing
23:59:16 <moonheart08> hellovilion[1]
23:59:41 <oerjan> hppavillain[1]
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