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00:00:44 <zzo38> I don't know.
00:01:28 <imode> wob_jonas: iirc the same that it does on any other system.
00:01:36 <imode> whatever mozilla's rendering engine is.
00:01:45 <wob_jonas> In particular, does it use pango for laying out text on webpages? The package does depend on pango, but that need not mean it uses it for full capability.
00:01:52 <wob_jonas> imode: ok, so what does it use on any other system?
00:02:23 <imode> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software)
00:02:57 <wob_jonas> The context is that I found a quality of implementation in determining valid allowed break points, and I'm trying to find out whether I should check pango or ICU for whether it's a bug in that library, in order to possibly file a bug report.
00:03:18 <wob_jonas> s/quality of implementation/quality of implementation problem/
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00:05:21 <wob_jonas> imode: thanks
00:05:51 <imode> np.
00:06:28 <wob_jonas> Although it might be easier to just forget about the firefox part and test how Pango and/or ICU behaves.
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02:01:18 <boily> `w
02:01:20 <HackEgo> ronald reagan//Ronald Reagan was an actor so great that he managed to convince the US that he was the President. Then he created the Star Wars project to destroy the Soviet Union.
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02:09:35 <shachaf> `4 w
02:09:39 <HackEgo> 1/2:intellectual property//Intellectual property is either the plot of land where a university campus is or otherwise a property which gives something an intellectual air or appearance. \ fternooner//fternooner (Danish »fternooner«, Norwegian «ttermiddag», Swedish ”ftermiddag”, Icelandic „íðdegis“) is a screamingly delicious pastry. \
02:09:46 <boily> ǹ
02:09:49 <boily> `n
02:09:50 <HackEgo> 2/2: broily//broily is like boily, but more broiling. \ gaszpacho//gaszpacho is a polish soup, traditionally szerved cold for hot szummer days
02:10:16 <shachaf> `dowg broily
02:10:23 <HackEgo> 10161:2017-01-22 <oerjän> learn broily is like boily, but more broiling.
02:10:41 <shachaf> oerjan: what's that all about twh
02:11:24 <boily> helloochaf. I am many cooking techniques.
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02:57:20 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * AHartNtkn * New user account
03:07:58 <quintopia> `? necessity
03:07:59 <HackEgo> If necessity did not exist, it would be necessary for Taneb to invent it.
03:08:07 <quintopia> `? Taneb
03:08:08 <HackEgo> Taneb is not elliott, no matter whom you ask. He also isn't a rabbi although has pretended in the past. He has at least two backup keyboards with dodgy SHIFT KEys, cube root of nine genders, one of which is a Czech woman, and above average, not too voluminous, but calm eyebrows. He sometimes invents without noticing it (see: tanebventions).
03:08:33 <quintopia> `? tanebventions
03:08:34 <HackEgo> Tanebventions include automatic squirrel feeders, necessity, Go, submarine jousting, Fueue, the universe, special relativity, metar, weetoflakes, mushrooms, sand, dragons, persistence, the BBC, _46bit, cognac, progress, sanity, the Oxford comma, and this sentence. See also tanebventions: maths. He never invents anything involving sex.
03:09:13 <quintopia> `? tanebventions: maths
03:09:14 <HackEgo> Mathematical tanebventions include D-modules, Chu spaces, the torus, Stephen Wolfram, Klein bottles, string diagrams, the reals, Lambek's lemma, Curry's paradox, Stone spaces, algebraic geometry, locales, and histograms.
03:09:20 <shachaf> Taneb invented mushrooms?
03:09:24 <shachaf> what a fun guy
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03:58:26 <Sgeo> https://youtu.be/-_qWZfj49mg?t=2m45s
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04:42:11 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52570&oldid=52561 * AHartNtkn * (+181)
04:42:27 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52571 * AHartNtkn * (+9392) Initial creation
04:44:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52572&oldid=52571 * AHartNtkn * (-1)
04:46:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52573&oldid=52553 * AHartNtkn * (+88) Added DBLC
04:51:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52574&oldid=52572 * AHartNtkn * (-2) Reference implementation
04:54:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52575&oldid=52574 * AHartNtkn * (+0) Correction on toknization
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05:12:24 <moony> `unidecode �
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05:54:04 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52576&oldid=52575 * AHartNtkn * (+170) Added categories
05:54:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52577&oldid=52576 * AHartNtkn * (-41)
05:57:34 <shachaf> `pbflist
05:57:35 <HackEgo> pbflist: shachaf Sgeo quintopia ion b_jonas
06:00:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52578&oldid=52577 * AHartNtkn * (+0) /* Example: Lists */ Correction
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06:26:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52579&oldid=52578 * AHartNtkn * (+0) /* Example: 1 + 1 = 2 */ Correction
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06:57:21 <moony> Does someone have a cure to deafness by incessent beeping? Zelda: A Link To The Past. is driving my crazy.
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07:11:20 <erkin> Mute the game.
07:12:36 <zzo38> Yes, that is what I thought too
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07:37:36 <tuu> Hi, how can i determine if a programming language is esoteric or not?
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07:50:49 <Sgeo> http://www.calmira.net
07:50:54 <Sgeo> Windows 95 theme for Windows 3.1
07:51:02 <Sgeo> How does this still exist and receive updates into 2008?
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11:52:55 <boily> `w
11:53:01 <HackEgo> off by two//An off by two error is what happens when you expect an off by one error but compensate in the wrong direction.
12:06:20 <int-e> . o O ( also if you get the fenceposts wrong at both ends )
12:18:53 <boily> solution: build a circular fence.
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15:02:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ArnoldC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52580&oldid=52555 * TuxCrafting * (+0) fix True and False
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16:28:41 <wob_jonas> `olist 1087
16:28:42 <HackEgo> olist 1087: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas
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17:10:56 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vowels (2017)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52581 * Ethanhowell * (+875) created page for vowels interpreter
17:12:43 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52582&oldid=52573 * Ethanhowell * (+20) added vowels programming language
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17:16:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vowels (2017)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52583&oldid=52581 * Ethanhowell * (-3) /* Cat.vw */
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17:22:09 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Vowels (2017)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52584&oldid=52583 * Ethanhowell * (+282) added info box
17:25:34 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Brainfudge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52585 * MD XF * (+1091) Created page with "Brainfudge is identical to [[Brainfuck|Brainf<nowiki>**</nowiki>k]]. {| class="wikitable" !Command !Description |- | style="text-align:center"| <code>></code> |Move the po..."
17:33:51 <\oren\> Here is some human music, from earth.
17:33:53 <\oren\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm41dHucxmM
17:34:24 <int-e> is the video a collage of anime clips?
17:34:57 <\oren\> Sgeo: A web ring? that's how u know you're into da real retro
17:35:08 <\oren\> int-e: no, actually
17:36:05 <int-e> . o O ( web rings were an early amplifier of broken links )
17:36:59 <tuu> Hi, how can i determine if a programming language is esoretic or not?
17:40:11 <\oren\> Hmm, maybe we should bring back web-rings!
17:42:25 <int-e> "coteries" is a valid word for scrabble... but what does it mean...
17:42:55 <Jafet> tuu: well, it depends on the language
17:42:59 <int-e> (it's also an anagram of "esoteric")
17:43:26 <int-e> so we're an esoteric coterie, apparently
17:43:35 <int-e> sort of.
17:47:34 <\oren\> in ancient times, related websites would link to each other in a circle
17:47:38 <\oren\> with the advent of search engines, web rings, and the related structure of a web directory, died out
17:47:49 <\oren\> each site would contain in its sidebar links to the previous and next site in the ring
17:48:03 <\oren\> but some still exist in the ancient ruins of lost time, waiting to be followed once more
17:49:59 <tuu> are there something i can look at to find out?
17:52:18 <Jafet> á la recherche du liens perdu
17:53:35 <Jafet> most people consider a language to be esoteric if it doesn't look like any language they know
17:55:17 <Jafet> if we're going by what gets added to the wiki, anyway
17:56:43 <Jafet> aside from that, I don't think there are any other widely-used definitions
17:57:58 <Jafet> (perhaps you might find an answer on the Esoteric Programming Language WebRing? http://hub.webring.org/hub/esolang)
18:00:23 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Explode]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52586 * Stestoltz * (+246) Added Explode
18:01:41 <Jafet> understandable, some people find trivial brainfuck derivatives offensive
18:02:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52587&oldid=52582 * Stestoltz * (+14) Added Explode
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18:17:35 <Jafet> @ask ais523 didn't you once ask whether a language could be a derivative of itself? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfudge
18:17:35 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
18:21:41 <shachaf> Brainfunge sounds more interesting.
18:22:19 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Stestoltz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52588&oldid=52280 * Stestoltz * (+18)
18:24:45 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ಠ ಠ]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52589 * MD XF * (+90) Created page with "ಠ_ಠ is a language that is being developed by the [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/]"
18:25:24 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ಠ ಠ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52590&oldid=52589 * MD XF * (+105)
18:34:50 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ಠ ಠ]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52591&oldid=52590 * Stestoltz * (+26)
18:38:12 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[ಠ ಠ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52592&oldid=52591 * HyperNeutrino * (+71) Added a link to a search query for the meme within chat
18:44:01 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52593&oldid=52570 * Totallyhuman * (+229) /* Introductions */
18:49:54 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Totallyhuman]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52594 * Totallyhuman * (+188) Created page with "{{DISPLAYTITLE:totallyhuman}} Hi, I am totallyhuman and I'm definitely human. No need to even doubt it. I discovered esoteric programming through PPCG and I've been stuck ever..."
18:50:36 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Intrnt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=52595 * Totallyhuman * (+173) Created page with "[https://github.com/totallyhuman/intrnt Intrnt] is a WIP golfing language by [[User:Totallyhuman|totallyhuman]] designed for parsing webpages and doing general online stuff."
18:52:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Intrnt]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52596&oldid=52595 * Totallyhuman * (+24)
18:56:01 <\oren\> whoa, you can use scp to copy from one remote host to another?
18:56:18 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[CQuents]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52597&oldid=52562 * Stestoltz * (-4)
18:56:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Stestoltz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52598&oldid=52588 * Stestoltz * (-4)
18:57:10 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[User:Stestoltz]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52599&oldid=52598 * Stestoltz * (+4) Undo revision 52598 by [[Special:Contributions/Stestoltz|Stestoltz]] ([[User talk:Stestoltz|talk]])
19:00:48 <\oren\> A new way to be rude: refer to someone 30 years or older as a "trigenarian", 40 or older as a "quadragenarian", 50 or older as a "quinquagenarian"
19:03:50 <shachaf> Why would you want to be rude?
19:04:24 <\oren\> shachaf: trolling is fun
19:04:42 <Jafet> it's probably just a duogenerian thing
19:05:17 <\oren\> Jafet: ITYM vigenarian
19:05:46 <\oren\> hmm, apparently it's "vicenarian"
19:06:54 <shachaf> oerjan: Is Haley the viceroy of olist?
19:09:11 <Jafet> does that mean teenagers are decadent
19:11:00 <\oren\> 'denarian'
19:14:49 <\oren\> Jafet: no, decadent would be "ten toothed". I think my little cousin had about that many teeth last time I saw him
19:15:07 <\oren\> hopefull he has more now
19:20:19 <Jafet> some people make do with a sharp trident
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19:24:57 <wob_jonas> `? decadent
19:24:59 <HackEgo> decadent? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:28:13 <wob_jonas> `slashlearn decadent/a decadent is a ten-pronged rake
19:28:14 <HackEgo> Usage: `le/[/]rn <key>//<wisdom>
19:28:22 <wob_jonas> `slashlearn decadent//a decadent is a ten-pronged rake
19:28:24 <HackEgo> Learned 'decadent': a decadent is a ten-pronged rake
19:29:38 <Jafet> raking our logs for wisdom?
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19:31:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52600&oldid=52579 * AHartNtkn * (+1876) Added representations
19:33:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Dependently Typed Binary Lambda Calculus]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52601&oldid=52600 * AHartNtkn * (+5) /* Example: 1 + 1 = 2 */ Correction to Id
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19:46:46 <wob_jonas> `? rake
19:46:47 <HackEgo> rake? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:46:50 <wob_jonas> `? comb
19:46:51 <HackEgo> comb? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
19:46:57 <wob_jonas> `? brush
19:46:58 <HackEgo> brush? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
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19:55:01 <int-e> such prettyness. [|1⟧ :: Language.Haskell.TH.Lib.ExpQ
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20:20:00 <FireFly> is.. is that imbalance intentional
20:21:35 <shachaf> what imbalance hth
20:22:40 <int-e> FireFly: ⟧ and |] can be used interchangably in ghc 8.2.1; similar for ⟦ and [|
20:23:01 <int-e> if you enable UnicodeSyntax, that is
20:24:04 <FireFly> ah
20:24:48 * FireFly ponders the golf advantages of Unicode syntax (except I guess most people these days count bytes and not chars)
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20:29:11 <int-e> (personally I'm not a big fan of UnicodeSyntax; λ is a letter, and → is too short in fixed-width fonts. The universal quantifier is the only thing I might like.
20:29:16 <int-e> )
20:44:57 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Btiffin2017 * New user account
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20:59:46 <FireFly> I like the concept, but I don't know about GHC's choice of characters
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21:06:43 <btiffin> Hello room, what's the etiquette for hosting code listings on esolangs.org? Have a sample of Befunge-98 to dump out sysinfo in human readable form, but not sure if the site is friendly to random code examples.
21:12:17 <Phantom_Hoover> hmm
21:12:20 <Phantom_Hoover> i quite like this http://sparist.github.io/Om/
21:12:44 <Phantom_Hoover> btiffin, do whatever you like but note: all code you put on the wiki becomes public domain
21:13:47 <shachaf> Hmm, you should upload the leaked Windows 2000 source code.
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21:18:24 <btiffin> Cool with giving the code away part, @Phantom_Hoover; it's Befunge, anyone in the public that cares, should just have it, criticize it and maybe even refactor it as whims take
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21:19:54 <Phantom_Hoover> i think basically any actual esolang-related content is welcome
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22:12:49 <\oren\> always changing the interfaces for no good reason except to hop on the new trend for hulahoop.js or some shit
22:22:33 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52602&oldid=52593 * Btiffin2017 * (+229) /* Introductions */
22:25:00 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52603&oldid=52348 * Btiffin2017 * (+2685) /* Befunge-98, adding y sysinfo display example */
22:26:38 <btiffin> Updated the Befunge-98 page, go ahead and purge if it doesn't suit site and I'll find another place to host it. (lost password, didn't update email contact - time passed - ... blarg) ;-)
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22:54:27 <boily> `w
22:54:29 <HackEgo> rho//Rho is the Greek letter that represents the mind, and thus psychology is called rho science. Today's reductionists consider the mind obsolete, and prefer to study new rho science.
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22:58:20 <quintopia> helloily
22:58:39 <boily> QUINTHELLOPIA!
22:59:20 <boily> `relcome btiffin
22:59:22 <HackEgo> btiffin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: <http://esolangs.org/>. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.)
22:59:40 <btiffin> Seems I updated the wrong page, that sample is more appropriate for Funge-98 I think. Doh.
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23:00:06 <btiffin> Thanks @boily, it's been awhile since I delved into the esoterics
23:00:23 <int-e> boily: do you approve of coteries?
23:02:30 <boily> int-ello. what's a cotery?
23:03:34 <int-e> coterie, n., a small group of people with shared interests or tastes, especially one that is exclusive of other people.
23:04:52 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Funge-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52604&oldid=46757 * Btiffin2017 * (+2694) Moved example from Befunge to here, as the more appropriate place
23:05:03 <int-e> > sort "coteries" == sort "esoteric" -- accidental discovery
23:05:05 <lambdabot> True
23:05:16 <boily> heh ^^
23:05:36 <boily> sharing interests is fun, but exclusivity is sad.
23:06:12 <boily> but the Power of Anagramism compels me. I am dilemmed.
23:06:18 <boily> d20
23:06:18 <lambdabot> boily: 3
23:06:24 <boily> sharing it is!
23:06:25 <int-e> yeah, the latter stopped me from putting it into the topic
23:06:47 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52605&oldid=52603 * Btiffin2017 * (-2663) /* Befunge-98, move sysinfo display example to Funge-98 page */
23:09:33 <shachaf> @wn coterie
23:09:34 <lambdabot> *** "coterie" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
23:09:34 <lambdabot> coterie
23:09:34 <lambdabot> n 1: an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose [syn:
23:09:34 <lambdabot> {clique}, {coterie}, {ingroup}, {inner circle}, {pack},
23:09:34 <lambdabot> {camp}]
23:12:30 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Befunge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52606&oldid=52605 * Btiffin2017 * (+104) /* Befunge-98 and beyond, add Rc/Funge-98 reference */
23:16:05 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Kutta * New user account
23:16:28 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Funge-98]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52607&oldid=52604 * Btiffin2017 * (+216) Added Rc/Funge, update cfunge link to GitHub current, from SourceForge.
23:17:39 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Funge-98]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52608&oldid=52607 * Btiffin2017 * (+8) /* Resources fix link tag*/
23:19:48 <HackEgo> [wiki] [[Funge-98]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=52609&oldid=52608 * Btiffin2017 * (+21) /* Resources, fix another link tag */
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23:54:20 <Sgeo> Calmira XP's start button fails that rule about buttons being on the edge of the screen when possible
23:55:41 <\oren\> apparently this is a thing! ߷
23:55:59 <\oren\> what moron added a fidget spinner emoji
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