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01:51:36 <b_jonas> ais523: x to delete after the cursor or X to delete before the cursor. I thought dl and dh respectively would be equivalent, but perhaps I don't understand how the original vi works.
01:52:30 <b_jonas> also these usually can't delete newline characters, and there's the special commands J and gJ for that
01:53:45 <ais523> b_jonas: thanks
01:57:43 <b_jonas> unrelated. the webcomic page https://www.sandraandwoo.com/scarlet/comic/a-sky-full-of-stars-027/ has the first appearance of a black-haired boy. as soon as this page was published, that boy was added to the public characters list https://www.sandraandwoo.com/scarlet/characters/ and is listed as the boyfriend of the 9 year old main character. I don't think I've ever seen any webcomic give an early
01:57:49 <b_jonas> spoiler about a character who just showed up this way.
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06:14:22 <zzo38> I think that the flexible arrays in C99 is not as good as the zero-length arrays in GNU, because zero-length arrays are more logical and have more uses; they are not only used for adding extra data on the end of a structure (although that is the most common use), but can also be used for other things, e.g. if a name needs to be defined even though it is not used, or associating numbers/types (using sizeof and typeof)
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06:17:33 <zzo38> The documentation of GCC says "As a quirk of the original implementation of zero-length arrays, sizeof evaluates to zero" but that shouldn't just be a quirk of the implementation; it is logically what it should do, since if the number of elements is zero then the size of the entire array should be zero (although the size of the element of the array might be nonzero).
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06:25:51 <zzo38> Flexible arrays can be useful for static initialization, and perhaps if you want the compiler to complain if additional members are added (although GCC also allows it in the middle, which doesn't make much sense), but other than that I think zero-length arrays are better in many ways
06:35:07 <b_jonas> zzo38: C also doesn't have empty structs, and C++ "empty" structs have a positive sizeof (usually 1). this is unfortunate, and C++ added special rules for inheritence and later an attribute so that those empty structures can in some context behave like they're zero-sized. given that situation, it's reasonable that C doesn't allow zero-length arrays either. and even if you somehow added zero-sized arrays
06:35:13 <b_jonas> or empty structs to standard C, you'd probably need some kind of special attribute to mark an array as potentially zero-sized because of backwards compatibility. that said, C does support structs ending in a trailing length 1 array where you allocate the struct as variable-sized, and in practice you can treat these as a trailing flexible array that can even be zero-sized in most respects.
06:36:41 <b_jonas> the lack of zero-sized data is problematic, and in particular you have to be a bit careful with it if you try to export a C interface from rust, because rust does fully support zero-sized structs and arrays and will put them in the exported interface too.
06:39:51 <b_jonas> this especially comes up if you want to pass a potentially zero-sized struct as a function argument: both libev and perl's XS interface uses macro magic for it where if the structure would be zero-sized then no argument is passed instead, the macro expands to either nothing or the (nonzero sized argument) followed by a comma
06:42:52 <zzo38> Will the exported interfaces from Rust be usable with GCC with zero-length arrays?
06:44:06 <zzo38> I just use the GNU extensions in GCC, and many of them will work with Clang as well so if someone else wants to use Clang they can probably still compile these programs
06:44:26 <b_jonas> zzo38: I don't think so, because the problem is mostly zero-length structs rather than zero-length arrays, especially if passed by value or embedded in another struct, and you can't pass an array by value to a function in C. or... does the gcc extension let you make a true sizeof 0 struct too?
06:45:30 <b_jonas> arrays with constant zero size don't come up too often, and variable-sized arrays are addressed through pointers rather than passed by value and that does not cause problems
06:49:09 <zzo38> GCC allows you to make a empty structure, but only in C (not in C++, which adds a member even if you do not specify any, according to the documentation)
06:51:30 <b_jonas> zzo38: empty structure sure, but does it have sizeof 0 and consume no space when it's in a larger struct at a non-trailing position?
06:52:34 <zzo38> Yes, its size is zero (in C only, not in C++) and consumes no space
06:54:09 <zzo38> (although I don't know if alignment is affected at all?)
06:54:14 <b_jonas> nice. in that case that might work to use a rust interface, though I'm not sure if the two agree on how to pass such a struct as function argument by value
06:54:56 <zzo38> Some of my programs do pass struct by value, although they are usually small structures not bigger than 64 bits
06:58:53 <b_jonas> (if you rely on such a gcc empty struct, especially in a header, you should probably make sure that it #errors out with an explanation if someone tries to compile it in C++)
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12:29:57 <wWwwW> is it possible to create a TC esolang with I/O thats also I/O complete but still has no quine
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14:10:28 <ais523> <wWwwW> is it possible to create a TC esolang with I/O thats also I/O complete but still has no quine ← my initial thought was "I don't think so, but I'm not sure", but it is possible at least for batch I/O – you make the print routines refuse to output text that starts with the first character of the program unless there's been either input or output already
14:11:06 <ais523> in other words, you basically partially hardcode the "output for no input" in the program source, but the output when there's some input can be calculated arbitrarily
14:11:39 <ais523> extending this to interactive I/O runs into philosophical questions about what sort of input a quine is allowed to take
14:14:03 <ais523> ah no, this is simple: you disallow printing output that starts with the first character of the program until after input has actively been read, and found to be nonempty
14:15:31 <ais523> still I/O-complete because the output printed before the first nonempty input is a constant, and executable on a Turing machine
14:16:05 <ais523> however, in some cases *writing* the program may be uncomputable, as you may need to solve the halting problem to work out what the first byte of output is
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15:39:03 <wWwwW> thx ais523
15:39:25 <wWwwW> but wut if instead of input w condiser: is program in memory
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16:52:16 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142155&oldid=142152 * Shriansh * (+165)
16:53:10 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142156&oldid=142155 * Shriansh * (+4) /* Examples */
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17:10:19 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142157&oldid=142156 * Shriansh * (+31)
17:10:40 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142158&oldid=142157 * Shriansh * (+17)
17:17:02 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142159&oldid=142158 * Ractangle * (-31) Why did you have to add /* Contributors */ section?
17:17:25 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142160&oldid=142159 * Ractangle * (-5) /* Introduction */
17:19:51 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142161&oldid=142160 * Ractangle * (-24) /* Examples */
17:20:06 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142162&oldid=142161 * Ractangle * (-15) /* Introduction */
17:20:20 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142163&oldid=142162 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Examples */
17:21:23 <esolangs> [[Category:Two-dimensional languages]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142164&oldid=7847 * Ractangle * (+23)
17:22:36 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142165&oldid=142163 * Ractangle * (-5)
17:23:15 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142166&oldid=142165 * Ractangle * (+1) /* Examples */
17:24:55 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142167&oldid=142166 * Ractangle * (-1) /* Examples */
17:27:24 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142168&oldid=142167 * Shriansh * (+25) /* Execute some random commands */
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17:37:05 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142169&oldid=142168 * Aadenboy * (+0) lowercase file extenson
17:42:14 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142170&oldid=142169 * Shriansh * (+219)
17:45:03 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142171&oldid=142170 * Shriansh * (+57) /* Examples */
17:46:16 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142172&oldid=142171 * Shriansh * (+10)
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17:59:26 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142173&oldid=142067 * Ractangle * (+95) /* Movement */
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18:11:29 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142174&oldid=142173 * Ractangle * (+9) /* Syntax */
18:12:53 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142175&oldid=142174 * Ractangle * (+43) /* Examples */
18:13:56 <esolangs> [[Curly Fish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142176&oldid=142175 * Ractangle * (+97) /* Syntax */
18:17:52 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142177&oldid=142172 * Ractangle * (+0) /* Hello World User:none1 */
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18:37:51 <esolangs> [[LFSR CPU]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=142178 * SubleqIsTheBestLeq * (+2277) Initial page
18:40:55 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142179&oldid=142001 * SubleqIsTheBestLeq * (+15) /* L */ Added LFSR CPU
18:43:25 <esolangs> [[How dare you fuck the brain]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142180&oldid=139388 * Ractangle * (+40) /* Interpreter */
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19:48:50 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:Autoconfirmed users]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142181&oldid=142090 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+0) Fix time
19:51:54 <esolangs> [[LFSR CPU]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142182&oldid=142178 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+127) Formatting, categories
19:57:31 <esolangs> [[Beforge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142183&oldid=142177 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+66) Categories, misc.
19:59:30 <esolangs> [[User:XKCD Random Number]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142184&oldid=142052 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-3) Formatting
20:01:59 <esolangs> [[Poetic LOLWICNETP]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142185&oldid=142122 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+101) Categories
20:02:42 <esolangs> [[Lol waht i cant edit talk pages]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142186&oldid=142139 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+39) See also
20:48:17 <esolangs> [[C-like language]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142187&oldid=141874 * Ractangle * (+11) /* Name */
20:50:04 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142188&oldid=139811 * Ractangle * (-4) /* Syntax */
20:53:05 <esolangs> [[Dish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=142189&oldid=142188 * Ractangle * (-206) /* Syntax */
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21:51:37 <APic> Good Night!
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