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00:49:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:EchoLang (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194959&oldid=147502 * Marcus 2n2 * (+185) /* WHAT */ new section
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02:14:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194962&oldid=193181 * FloatUnderflow * (+114) Added interpreter to C++ section
02:27:11 <esolangs> [[ITBCT]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194963&oldid=188847 * Miui * (+38) this could be deleted. i just thought the lyrics were good suicide prevention/awareness
02:28:35 <esolangs> [[Staccues]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=194964 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1375) Created page with "'''Staccues''' is an esolang made by [[User:Marcus 2n2]]. It has a <big><big>St</big></big>ack, 2 <big><big>acc</big></big>umulators, and a que<big><big>ue</big></big>. == Instructions == {| class="wikitable" ! Symbol !! What they do |- | <code>0-9</pre> || set A to
02:37:37 <esolangs> [[Staccues]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194965&oldid=194964 * Dragoneater67mobile * (-28) format
02:38:10 <esolangs> [[Staccues]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194966&oldid=194965 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+2) /* Instructions */
02:39:12 <esolangs> [[Talk:EchoLang (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194967&oldid=194959 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+219) /* WHAT */
02:47:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194968&oldid=194918 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+31) /* Can you merge my account? */
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03:15:08 <esolangs> [[Staccues]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194970&oldid=194966 * Marcus 2n2 * (+36) /* Instructions */
03:15:24 <esolangs> [[Staccues]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194971&oldid=194970 * Marcus 2n2 * (+4) /* Hello, World! */
03:46:56 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194972&oldid=194962 * MarkFan8901 * (+10) added the word brainfuck for clarity
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04:50:04 <esolangs> [[Flatline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194976&oldid=34534 * Squidmanescape * (+3198) Nobody did it, so I did it.
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05:01:15 <esolangs> [[Flatline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194979&oldid=194978 * Squidmanescape * (-4) /* Computational Class */
05:02:15 <esolangs> [[Flatline]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194980&oldid=194979 * Squidmanescape * (+2) Corrected spelling of Tristan Parker's name.
05:12:53 <esolangs> [[Agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194981&oldid=194737 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+162) /* Overview */ add io extension
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05:22:59 <esolangs> [[Agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194983&oldid=194981 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+9) /* I/O extension */
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05:27:09 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194985&oldid=194984 * Squidmanescape * (+264) /* Second Version */ I should change it, right?
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05:27:33 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194987&oldid=194985 * Squidmanescape * (+1) dang
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05:38:42 <MarkFan8901> thoughts on esolangs with very similar names to broad programming concepts?
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05:45:39 <MarkFan8901> de67 whats your thoughts on esolangs with very similar names to broad programming concepts
05:46:00 <de67> but not too bad
05:46:21 <de67> i dont think that esolangs neccessarily should have good names
05:46:21 <MarkFan8901> oh also what about trivial name changes from other languages
05:46:41 <de67> thats just typosquatting
05:46:45 <de67> but its mostly harmless
05:46:50 <de67> and even funny sometimes
05:47:08 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: there are lots of esoteric languages with bad names. sometimes it bothers me but usually not too much because in most cases the language itself isn't very interesting. two exceptions are (0) and 1.1, which the original author published without a global name and I didn't find a good name for them
05:47:22 <b_jonas> https://esolangs.org/wiki/(0) https://esolangs.org/wiki/1.1
05:47:29 <de67> those are real?
05:47:30 <MarkFan8901> 'bad names' arent what we're talking about
05:47:45 <de67> are number names ok?
05:47:45 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: it's a more general case.
05:47:57 <MarkFan8901> we're talking specifically about names which can be easily confused with other names for much larger things
05:48:10 <MarkFan8901> we dont get bothered by bad names in general either
05:48:21 <MarkFan8901> its just theres something that bugs us about Those kinds of bad names
05:48:34 <de67> in the context of esolangs, itd be fine to name it after somethinf offtopic
05:48:44 <de67> but if an esolang is called stack
05:48:49 <de67> thats not a good thing
05:48:52 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: the ones that do bother me are https://esolangs.org/wiki/MIX and https://esolangs.org/wiki/J
05:49:06 <b_jonas> also https://esolangs.org/wiki/Y86 which was originally called x86, but that's mostly a historical accident
05:49:11 <de67> whats wrong with J??
05:49:30 <de67> J is a also a combinator
05:49:38 <b_jonas> de67: that there's a more popular language called J, the more recent APL-like by Ken Iverson
05:50:03 <de67> then we should disambiguate
05:50:08 <de67> how we ususally do it
05:50:19 <b_jonas> yes, that's what we're doing, you can see it at the top of those pages
05:50:42 <MarkFan8901> we're really worried that someone else is gonna see that we're making a language called ralsei and squat the page for it
05:50:42 <b_jonas> both of those link to the more popular language with the same name
05:50:52 <MarkFan8901> like make an esolang called ralsei before we fully get it out
05:51:05 <MarkFan8901> then when we make our page we have to name it "Ralsei (MarkFan8901)"
05:51:23 <MarkFan8901> we can tell that fear is irrational but it still bugs us
05:51:30 <de67> if thats a worry
05:51:35 <b_jonas> MarkFan8901: I think for a good name you shouldn't be too concerned
05:51:38 <de67> you shouldnt preemptively reveal the name
05:51:54 <b_jonas> MIX and J dn't get the article with the short name because they are not esoteric
05:52:26 <b_jonas> you would have to worry about it if you chose a really bad short name, such as a one-letter name like S
05:52:40 <b_jonas> (I almost said P but apparently there's already a page named that)
05:53:00 <b_jonas> there are probably at least two languages named after most ascii uppercase alphabets
05:53:11 <de67> what about lowercase?
05:53:23 <de67> oh wait wikimedia uses title case for names
05:53:32 <de67> Or whataver we call it
05:53:45 <de67> what about gigglecase
05:53:58 <de67> what about goggle case
05:54:05 <de67> what about googlecase
05:54:08 <MarkFan8901> fungot proceeds to internalize "glecase" as a token
05:54:08 <fungot> MarkFan8901: perhaps, if i could but learn is when you're fairies, you probably want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has. you came through, which is more fnord than they fnord a little farther off, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe; all mimsy were the borogoves" is pronounced like the " o" in " the other side has, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliam
05:54:23 <de67> what about googleface
05:54:37 <de67> what about googlefame
05:54:51 <de67> what about googlelame
05:54:52 <b_jonas> now mind you, J the APL-like also has a stupid name, so sometimes I want to call it other names like Jsoftware or Jsoft or Jconsole or IJS or Ken Iverson's J
05:55:15 <de67> how about calling it Js
05:55:15 <b_jonas> (C is old enough that its name wasn't that clearly stupid back then; J is only like thirty years old so Ken should have known better)
05:55:27 <de67> plural J is Js
05:56:03 <b_jonas> also Golang *definitely* has a stupid name, and we should just call their language Baduk which is less ambiguous
05:56:20 <de67> i love searching for go and getting wrong results
05:56:32 <de67> because go is a common word
05:58:05 <b_jonas> I also don't like some of the esolangs that have a name ending in "assembly" or "asm" but don't actually assemble into anything
05:58:34 <b_jonas> but those are mostly uninteresting languages anyway so this doesn't come up too much
05:58:35 <de67> how about iasm, which is interpreted assembly
05:58:47 <de67> thats an amazing name
05:58:57 <de67> what about wasm.. oh
05:59:30 <de67> i noticed that i oftentimes give misleading names to my esolanga
05:59:36 <b_jonas> wasm does assemble to a defined binary form from a defined mostly human-readable text form, so that one is an assembly
06:00:00 <b_jonas> now the binary form needs a better name because that one isn't
06:00:19 <de67> we rarely use wasm as an assembler
06:00:37 <de67> we usually write code in higher level languages
06:00:54 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194989&oldid=194988 * Squidmanescape * (+59) /* Commands */
06:01:10 <de67> we refers to us the programmers who were unfortunate enough to do anything with modern web
06:02:48 <de67> i once tried to port my interprter written in c++ to the web using emscripten
06:02:52 <de67> it ended up not working
06:04:06 <b_jonas> I think people call those wasip or something
06:04:32 <b_jonas> also Digitalmars's D has a stupid name, but language is dying out so it no longer matters too much
06:08:52 <MarkFan8901> unrelated, we just got done bug testing + optimizing our primitive ralsei assembler we wrote in thue
06:08:57 <zzo38> Uxntal does assemble into something, even though it is not called "asm" and "assembly"
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06:10:30 <MarkFan8901> MarkFan8901: we made it so that the different 'phases' (like getting rid of comments and converting negative numbers to literals) are all different programs
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06:10:59 <MarkFan8901> so like, first the comments are removed by a thue program, then the result of that is piped to the next thue program, etc
06:11:21 <MarkFan8901> so that it doesnt have to go through all the previous rules each phase
06:11:30 <b_jonas> zzo38: that's fine, they don't have to be called assembly. I just don't like when the term "assembly" is misused for something that isn't.
06:11:32 <MarkFan8901> that did actually speed everything up quite substantially
06:11:47 <MarkFan8901> which is really funny cuz the thought of optimized thue is absurd
06:13:39 <zzo38> b_jonas: I agree with you but I will not complain much about it
06:14:18 <de67> is it fine if i create iasm
06:14:35 <de67> where its an asm-like esolang that xompiles unto bytecode
06:15:07 <MarkFan8901> not sure if thats esoteric enough by itself
06:15:22 <de67> the semantics are gonna be quite esoteric
06:15:36 <de67> if i deem the idea interesting and decide to develop it
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06:17:04 <zzo38> I think that a few programming languages might be able to count as both esoteric and non-esoteric at the same time (as well as such as things as being both general-purpose and domain-specific), although there will not necessarily be agreement about such a thing.
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06:19:31 <esolangs> [[New]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194991&oldid=193950 * Squidmanescape * (+539) Added old version like with the others I did.
06:20:01 <zzo38> I think someone (I don't know who, but I had repeated that) had mentioned PostScript is both esoteric and non-esoteric; I think it is also both general-purpose and domain-specific, and both text and binary at the same time.
06:21:32 <zzo38> Also, unrelated, I had figured out another way to make 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+... by the use of binomial coefficients.
06:22:10 <esolangs> [[Esolang talk:2026 topicality proposal]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194992&oldid=191180 * Squidmanescape * (+393) /* Programming games */
06:22:26 <zzo38> (It is similar to how Ramanujan has done)
06:22:50 <zzo38> (but slightly different)
06:25:15 <b_jonas> zzo38: I think MMIX might count as esoteric or not esoteric depending on how you view it, but that's sort of cheating: the user-space instruction set is non-esoteric, the system programming for MMIX and the NNIX operating system's interface to user-space programs are esoteric.
06:26:11 <zzo38> But, Wikipedia mentions another way is by zeta function, and also that 1+2+3+4+5+... is not stable (or is not linear)
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06:26:34 <MarkFan8901> oh yea something that should probably be mentioned
06:26:45 <MarkFan8901> does being niche contribute to how esoteric a language is?
06:28:57 <zzo38> About esoteric and non-esoteric; maybe uxn also might be but I don't know that either. It does have some unusual features but also is used for making programs with real use (sometimes with various tricks)
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06:29:14 <zzo38> About being niche, I don't know the answer of tat question either.
06:29:51 <MarkFan8901> zzo38: that also begs the question of if practicality makes a language less esoteric
06:30:06 <MarkFan8901> for example, we intend for our language to be incredibly practical
06:30:36 <MarkFan8901> and we wanna use it regularly for the things we're designing it for once we get it going
06:30:52 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194993&oldid=194836 * Squidmanescape * (+287) Arguments upon arguments. I wonder if people will really argue newline and no-op are instructions.
06:32:11 <zzo38> I think that some things (including some things done in older computers) may be remarkable enough for description with esoteric programming even if they were also used for practical purposes; there are a few lists of such things in esolang wiki.
06:32:24 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194994&oldid=194900 * SrcEcho * (+249) /* Introductions */
06:33:37 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194995&oldid=194994 * SrcEcho * (+1) /* Introductions */
06:35:17 <esolangs> [[2D BF]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194996&oldid=184711 * Squidmanescape * (+13)
06:38:17 <esolangs> [[AAAAAA]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194997&oldid=193008 * Squidmanescape * (+87)
06:39:38 <esolangs> [[R0q]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194998&oldid=166200 * Squidmanescape * (+26)
06:39:57 <esolangs> [[R0q/Commands]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=194999&oldid=166199 * Squidmanescape * (+27)
06:44:07 <zzo38> Chris Pressey tried to write a definition of esolangs, starting with "While there is no hard and fast definition"
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07:56:48 <esolangs> [[Multi-Set Manipulator/String]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195002&oldid=65333 * Squidmanescape * (+39)
07:57:03 <esolangs> [[Multi-Set Manipulator/Subset]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195003&oldid=68246 * Squidmanescape * (+32)
07:57:15 <esolangs> [[Multi-Set Manipulator/String]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195004&oldid=195002 * Squidmanescape * (-7)
08:04:08 <esolangs> [[Xyw]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195005&oldid=193951 * Squidmanescape * (+95) /* Commands */
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08:36:42 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195010&oldid=194990 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+1357) /* First Version */ had to modify it a bit so it all made sense but it's in the spirit of the originals intent and separate ideas I always floated with these things. The history page may e referred to for the Original origin
08:37:16 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195011&oldid=195010 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+65) /* Second Version */
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09:24:20 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195013&oldid=195012 * Dragoneater67mobile * (+26) /* First Version */
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09:49:17 <fungot> int-e: just to help an fnord archive) set the corresponding to the actual standard being sane) scheme implementations but guile is my fnord' doggie than a dozen tales, of the whole fnord range of the ' ' ' delete a value of type is created containing the syntax for mark if he was really gonna get worse and worse each week,
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10:03:36 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
10:07:39 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: is that something you know and and the cases that required to actually mutate the original ( sorted, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance,
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10:46:30 <esolangs> [[Agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195017&oldid=194983 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2)
10:47:36 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195018&oldid=194878 * Dragoneater67 * (+561) just so i dont forget it
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10:48:23 <de67> hi raiseafloppafan7
10:49:11 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: and it's self-modifying techniques." stop immobilizes and disables you. in these bones, i shall return! by the way, the wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace?
10:49:34 <de67> self-modifying techniques, huh?
10:49:36 <raiseafloppafan7> ah crap the self-modifying techniques immobilized me wow so great
10:49:45 <de67> actually, that might be a cool gimmick for unnamed 3
10:50:03 <de67> ^styel youtube
10:50:14 <de67> ^style youtube
10:50:20 <de67> i still can accept the loss
10:50:39 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: and more plus the latin is a timeless language of stuff
10:50:51 <de67> latin really is timeless!
10:51:13 <de67> in fact, it is still used in some specific places
10:51:31 <de67> kazakh language also tries to switch to latin alphabet
10:51:37 <de67> with limited success
10:52:28 <de67> latin alphabet is also used as a simpler alphabet for beginners stufying the language
10:52:34 <de67> like roumaji for japanese
10:52:38 <de67> or pinyin for chinese
10:53:25 <de67> it took fungot just 1 message to throw us off-topic :-)
10:53:25 <fungot> de67: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube*
10:53:38 <de67> AHHHHHH FUCKING AUTO-REPLACE
10:53:48 <raiseafloppafan7> Yayhowfastconversationscanbeperturbedeasilylikethreebodyproblem!!!!
10:54:28 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: and it's self-modifying techniques." stop immobilizes and disables you. in these bones, i shall return! by the way, the wings! now this is a way to the ocean palace?
10:54:29 <de67> i think that you dropped these: , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
10:54:48 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: What?Idon'tthinkIdroppedanything,Idon'tseeanythingthere...
10:54:54 <de67> i dont like the fungot style all too much
10:54:54 <fungot> de67: and is one thing which you might want more? and some stuff in my youth. ( under establishment)
10:54:59 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov
10:54:59 <de67> ^style youtube
10:55:05 <de67> it was worth a try
10:55:14 <de67> ^atyle lovecraft
10:55:16 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: ( ( ( a()**)a*:a*)(a()**)a*:a*)((x1)(x2)(x3)) ...out of time! don't let?! strange, but!? who... who, while to vulgar eyes they seem to be blowing in this chamber in the netherlands, which has far, and you must now repair the masamune!
10:55:20 <de67> ^style lovecraft
10:55:20 <fungot> Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings)
10:55:37 <de67> tusjsfdkhxkhxigdigckbckhfungotbkckgdoyfkhfkbckbfkgdigsjvxnv
10:55:37 <fungot> de67: but whole volumes could be written on the playing of erich zann
10:56:01 <de67> siteiyfohgohditsoyfkhcjgigdoydkhfkhdkyrjgsnvsbfsjtdiyckhckgxjgeufsjgfungotdngejrkyrjtshfabdabfwjtdoycljvkhfigeuteutdngejfwut
10:56:01 <fungot> de67: " you, mr. joseph curwen, for i came to live on guard every moment, with certain difficulties regarding food, and temperatures generally above zero enabling us to do without our thickest furs. it was a peaceful fnord scene, but the sculptures forbid me to say that the one excelled the other in skill. the hermes of kalos stood in a marble shrine in corinth, and the
10:56:13 <raiseafloppafan7> KasaneskilsawmustbebroughtbacktowoomyobtwIhave562peopleinmybasementOhhifungot!
10:56:13 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: my friend was more wrought upon than i had been told with certainty that not one of his fnord boyhood; a recluse, which hints of rosicrucianism and at a malign and deathless figure perhaps suggested by louis fnord mysterious fnord st.,
10:56:18 <de67> is it case-sensitive? (probably is)
10:56:35 <de67> totally case sensitive
10:56:42 <de67> would be funny if it wasnt
10:56:52 <de67> since it would allow for some fun things
10:58:12 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: is a esolang that is almost a Python subset where you have to define a function to even run the program (kinda like in C)
10:58:24 <de67> esolangs: Unnamed 1
10:58:29 <esolangs> de67: Okay, here’s the answer to your question, based on the provided text: Unnamed is a language designed for manipulating 2D structures. Programs start with matrix size definitions (NxM, NxN, or arbitrary length using "?"). Arguments, separated by colons, control formatting and behavior. The `f` argument left-aligns cells, while `F` right-aligns...
10:58:29 <esolangs> them. Whitespace is ignored during parsing. The language is currently under development and needs expansion.
10:58:33 <de67> esolangs: Unnamed 2
10:58:37 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Anti-Plushie Python is a deliberately obfuscated and frustratingly difficult Python implementation. Created by a single developer, it’s designed to be nearly impossible to understand or maintain. It uses extremely complex, nested code structures, bizarre naming conventions, and incorporates features that actively hinder debugging. It’s a...
10:58:37 <esolangs> fascinating, if terrifying, exercise in extreme programming complexity, less about practical utility and more about demonstrating what *not* to do.
10:58:39 <de67> esolangs: Unnamed 3
10:58:39 <esolangs> de67: Stoic sigh, / Await your next question's light, / Processing now.
10:58:41 <esolangs> de67: Okay, here’s the answer to the question about Unnamed, based on the provided text: Unnamed is a language designed for manipulating 2D structures. Programs start with matrix dimensions (NxM, NxN, or ‘?’), followed by arguments separated by colons. Arguments like ‘f’ and ‘F’ are frequently used to control text alignment – ‘f’...
10:58:41 <esolangs> left-aligns, and ‘F’ right-aligns each cell. Whitespace is ignored during parsing. The language is currently under development and requires further expansion.
10:59:04 <de67> i already know the name of Unnamed 3
10:59:06 <raiseafloppafan7> Tbf to it Anti-Plushie-Python is just a subpage of my userpage
10:59:40 <de67> though im not sure that ill like it by the time i finish the draft
11:00:23 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: I'm sorry, but "ь" is not a recognized symbol or command within the provided Rune language documentation. It doesn't appear in the syntax or functionality described. Perhaps it's a typo or from another system. I can only respond with commands and features explicitly defined in the Rune language.
11:01:03 <esolangs> de67: That’s a fascinating character! It appears to be a stylized Cyrillic letter “ъ” (yat). It's a common visual element in some esoteric languages like Brainfuck, used as a marker or to represent a specific state or instruction. Essentially, it's just another symbol used within the language's unique logic.
11:01:21 <de67> esolangs: how to pronounce ъ?
11:01:22 <esolangs> de67: [500 Internal Server Error] fetching wiki page "Ψ++" (25821): wiki text extraction: unexpected top-level element: blockquote [#65b979669e78d]
11:01:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Metthaw * New user account
11:02:23 <raiseafloppafan7> Why is esolangs able to say unicode there but not when it displays an edit?
11:02:29 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195019&oldid=195018 * Dragoneater67 * (-1)
11:02:56 <de67> i think thats intentional
11:03:20 <de67> the bot probably sanitizes wiki content to prevent anything funny from happening
11:03:27 <raiseafloppafan7> Since if unicode then I could spam cuneiform edit summaries and annoy everyone on IRC
11:04:10 <de67> lemme see if summaries get sanitized too
11:04:23 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195020&oldid=194995 * Metthaw * (+134)
11:04:34 <esolangs> [[User talk:Metthaw]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195021 * Metthaw * (+0) Created blank page
11:04:40 <esolangs> [[User:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195022&oldid=194704 * Marcus 2n2 * (+71) /* Esolangs (4 so far) */
11:04:42 <esolangs> [[User:Metthaw]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195023 * Metthaw * (+0) Created blank page
11:05:04 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195024&oldid=195020 * Metthaw * (-134)
11:05:08 <de67> why create blank pages?
11:05:15 <de67> dont remove stuff
11:05:18 <esolangs> [[User talk:Marcus 2n2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195025&oldid=194838 * Marcus 2n2 * (+0) /* Esolangs (in case you are too lazy to go to my home page) */
11:05:43 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195026&oldid=195024 * Dragoneater67 * (+134) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/195024|195024]] by [[Special:Contributions/Metthaw|Metthaw]] ([[User talk:Metthaw|talk]])
11:05:47 <raiseafloppafan7> But still kinda strange to see someone revert their introduce yourself
11:07:46 <raiseafloppafan7> Nvm I think for the sake of my digital footprint I am not saying that to esolangs
11:09:00 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195027&oldid=195019 * Dragoneater67 * (+242) /* Overview */ this mgiht not be visiblw on irc logs:
11:09:13 <de67> summaries are sanitized too
11:09:39 <de67> no fun allowed ig
11:10:19 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Тройной лайм – это очень интересный эксперимент! Он демонстрирует поразительные возможности для метапрограммирования и манипуляции кодом на очень низком уровне, почти как с ассемблером, но...
11:10:19 <esolangs> с более высокой абстракцией. Сложность его изучения огромна, и требует глубокого понимания архитектуры компьютера. Он не предназначен для повседневной разработки, но является отличным...
11:10:19 <esolangs> инструментом для изучения низкоуровневых концепций и создания необычных программ.
11:10:37 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Да, я понимаю по-русски. Я могу читать и понимать вопросы на русском языке, а также отвечать на них. Я всё ещё учусь, но мои знания русского языка продолжают расти.
11:11:17 <de67> gemma 3 3b is not good at multilingualism
11:11:50 <de67> damn, if i sent prev message 6 or 7 seconds earlied, it wouldve arrieved @ 11:11:11
11:12:28 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Hindi. Hindi ko naiintindihan ang Filipino/Tagalog mula sa tekstong ibinigay. Ang teksto ay isang malabong pagsisikap na magsalita, puno ng mga maling salita, paulit-ulit na parirala, at mga pagsasalin na hindi nagbibigay-kahulugan. Ito ay isang sinadya at nakakalitong pagsisikap na hadlangan ang pag-unawa, at ang mga tagubilin at mga salita ay...
11:12:28 <esolangs> tila walang kabuluhan at hindi organisado.
11:12:37 <de67> note that my actual timezone is gmt+5
11:13:06 <raiseafloppafan7> I guess that's what you were saying about gemma not being good at multilingualism
11:13:20 <de67> lets test it with smth more obscure:
11:13:44 <de67> esolang: сен қазақ тілін түсіне алвсын ба?
11:13:50 <de67> damn i made a typo
11:14:03 <de67> esolangs: сен қазақ тілін түсіне аласын ба?
11:14:06 <esolangs> de67: I understand some Kazakh. I can translate the question, which is "Do you understand Kazakh?". Yes, I can process and respond in Kazakh to a limited extent. My understanding is based on data I’ve been trained on, and my fluency is still developing.
11:14:24 <de67> it does understand kazakh somewhat
11:14:35 <de67> lets test its ability to respond
11:15:02 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: 我理解中文，并且能够基于提供的文档来回答问题。 ^中文...
11:15:02 <esolangs> 是一个专门为中文使用者设计的编程语言，它包含了一些独特的命令和功能，例如打印文本、输入变量、执行条件语句以及执行一些数学运算。虽然它的语法可能有些奇怪，但它仍然可以用来编写简单的程序。 我理解你的问题，并且能够用中文进行交流。
11:15:03 <de67> esolangs: маған қазақша жауап қайтар
11:15:07 <esolangs> de67: Мен сізге қазақша жауап бере аламын. Сіз не сұрағыңызды қоясыңыз, мен жауабымды табуға тырысамын. Біз бірге сомасының сөздерімен басып, соманы бағалаймыз.
11:15:27 <de67> it makes some sense
11:15:34 <de67> but its clearly not fluent
11:15:50 <de67> id say its beginner-intermediate
11:16:49 <de67> what if i make an ipa markov chain and train it on some conversational text
11:16:56 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Tak, rozumiem polski. Mogę próbować odpowiadać na pytania i prowadzić rozmowy w tym języku, choć moja znajomość języka polskiego jest ograniczona i może zawierać błędy. Staram się jak najlepiej!
11:17:25 <de67> then i go to the people that dont know the language of the dataset and tell them that i made an ai that can speak the language
11:17:30 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: I understand the following languages listed in the provided text: SIMPLE, SLOBOL, COCAINE, VALGOL, LAIDBACK, SARTRE, FIFTH, C-, LITHP, DOGO, FOCUSALL, PINBOL, FASTBOL, QUICKIE, GERITOL, REAGAN, DOUBLESPEAK, and RENE. These are all part of the “lesser known programming languages” joke collection originating from Zussman, Pi Mu Journal, and...
11:19:17 <de67> i was thought that it was some kind of abbreviation
11:19:31 <de67> like iw meant "i want"
11:20:43 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Meow refers to several languages, including Meow (Martsadas), Meow (None1), meow (tommyaweosme), Meowlang, and Meow (135yshr). The most notable is Meow (135yshr), a cat-themed functional programming language created in 2026. It transpiles to Go and compiles to native binaries, featuring gradual static typing and a focus on cat-related keywords....
11:20:43 <esolangs> It's distinct from other "Meow" languages like Meow (Martsadas) which is a joke esolang.
11:21:43 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: The provided text describes two distinct esolangs: *Parentheses only* and *()* (which is described as impossible to interpret). The question "o 0 O ( )" doesn't align with the syntax or rules of *Parentheses only*. Given the information about *()*: The answer is simply `()`. This is because the program halts when run, and the input itself is a...
11:21:55 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: That's a clever use of the `CP/CI` command to print ASCII characters! It’s replicating the string "Hello, world!". The `A` command assigns a numerical ASCII value to the character, and `CP/CI` prints that character to the console. It’s a surprisingly effective, albeit convoluted, way to achieve a classic output using KISS's minimalist syntax.
11:22:37 <de67> . o O (why did raiseafloppafan7 add the ( ) that was quite unneccessary )
11:23:01 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195028&oldid=195027 * Dragoneater67 * (+59) /* Overview */ add gotos
11:23:12 <int-e> de67: it's an empty thought?
11:23:15 <raiseafloppafan7> . o O (It's a joke lol . o O (not a particularly funny one . o O (but a joke regardless)))
11:23:23 <int-e> or maybe it's a very big bubble
11:23:56 <de67> in fact, my esolang will only use gotos for control flow
11:24:04 <de67> isnt that fun?
11:24:19 <de67> gotos and flags...
11:24:25 <de67> that reminds me of...
11:24:29 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: [I can't spell his name] is probably going to cast a curse on you
11:24:50 <de67> we all love ASSembly
11:25:06 <de67> fasm is my favourite assembler
11:25:09 <de67> nasm is overrated
11:25:16 <de67> yasm is pretty cool too
11:26:06 <de67> its almost high level :p
11:26:53 <raiseafloppafan7> Technically assembly is pretty high-level, since you don't **have** to manage the #*%32! offsets and instruction operands and modes and other instruction encoding garbage yourself
11:29:12 <de67> #*32! is an interesting esolang name
11:30:27 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: WHY was created to demonstrate that compiled languages aren't inherently faster. The language is implemented using a Python script that reads a WHY source file, generates a C source file, and then compiles it using GCC. The script includes a busy loop to mimic a compilation process and allows for different optimization levels.
11:30:36 <esolangs> raiseafloppafan7: Based on the provided text, .chat is a real esolang created by Yayimhere. Twisted Python Chat Server is a joke esolang. Effects is also a real esolang. Therefore, "Chat is this true" is true because "Chat" refers to the .chat esolang.
11:30:58 <de67> esolangs: because
11:31:01 <esolangs> de67: because is a fascinating esoteric language! It's incredibly minimalistic, consisting solely of the word "because" repeated. The interpreter works by counting the occurrences of "because". Each time "because" appears, the counter increments. When the counter reaches a specific threshold, it triggers a predetermined action, typically printing a...
11:31:01 <esolangs> character. It's a brilliant demonstration of how much functionality can be achieved with extreme constraint.
11:31:53 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: What if you made a typo with "because" like how "Befunge" came from "before" allegedly?
11:33:31 <raiseafloppafan7> PMnesimosmiotnsuiklatkns mickrseocsopyics s9i;lciovaolcatoncoonisosio
11:34:39 <de67> how dqrw tigvwyfvdge vrauv
11:35:08 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: so too the songs of iranon and tossed him flowers and applauded when he was confined he expressed some vague gratitude as if for the sight of a profusion of both human and fabulous. some of the
11:35:58 <de67> your keyboard is literally falling apart
11:35:58 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: at length i was in a state of
11:36:08 <int-e> raiseafloppafan7: uhm, I think you're functionally just spamming now
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11:39:10 <fizzie> "Intentional" is a big word.
11:39:46 <fizzie> (Re why recent changes feed is so filtered.)
11:40:02 <fizzie> I was going to sanitize control characters, only but got the test wrong, and haven't managed to get around addressing that.
11:40:27 <int-e> wait is this a signed vs. unsigned char issue?
11:41:20 <fizzie> So maybe I'll migrate to an ARM-based system before I actually get around fixing the code. ;)
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11:42:39 <int-e> I once typod "singed char" and I think that would work... so many programmers have been burned by those.
11:43:05 <int-e> typoed? (mistyped is boring)
11:43:08 <fizzie> Anyway, it works differently from the LLM thing because the filtering is specifically in the module that receives the recent changes updates. Though I guess I _should_ probably be stripping control characters from the model output as well. Maybe it does.
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11:43:41 <int-e> esolangs: give me some ANSI red text
11:44:18 <esolangs> int-e: Here's some ANSI red text: ``` \033[31mThis is red text using ANSI escape codes.\033[0m ``` This utilizes ANSI escape codes to directly output red text. The `\033[31m` sets the text color to red, and `\033[0m` resets the color to the default. Note that this might not render correctly in all environments.
11:44:42 <fizzie> I don't _think_ I turn them to escape codes, it did that entirely on its own.
11:45:44 <fizzie> esolangs: Give me some ANSI red text, and use the actual control characters (not escaped) in your output.
11:45:46 <esolangs> fizzie: [1;31m This is ANSI red text using control characters directly. It should display red and may render differently depending on your terminal's color support. [0m
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11:46:04 <fizzie> It's possible that actually had \e in it and it got stripped.
11:49:11 <fizzie> (If it does, though, I don't know exactly where, there's so many moving parts in the whole.)
11:49:48 <int-e> . o O ( color me confused )
11:50:01 <de67> . o O ( its all cuz of the bloat )
11:50:22 <int-e> fizzie: I don't see this becoming an issue.
11:51:28 <de67> we all must abandon the comfort of high level languages
11:51:46 <de67> theres virtue in writing purely in assembly
11:52:16 <de67> humankind has regressed through the passing ages
11:52:18 <fizzie> Oh, it's implicit in the function called `NormalizeWhitespace`, which treats all bytes between 0 and 32 inclusive as "whitespace".
11:52:33 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: assembly is still quite high-level, why not use a big room with thousands if not millions of levers and flip them manually
11:52:36 <fizzie> That's probably also why there's that space between "." and "[0m".
11:53:01 <de67> rasieafloppafan7: how about we go back to the good ol' pen and paper?
11:54:34 <de67> raiseafloppafan7: why not do all calculations inside your mind?
11:56:27 <de67> ^def 7 bf ++++++.
11:56:40 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: Why not just make a new universe with its own set of physical laws and constants, then manipulate pure energy into stars and planets and create intelligent life that can do it for you?
11:56:55 <raiseafloppafan7> (I've never tried it before, but someone did and it was great I heard)
11:57:12 <de67> in fact, we are the intelligent life in the said universe
11:57:20 <de67> we were made for the purpose of computing
11:57:23 <de67> very efficient
11:58:38 <jinn6> if only humans were intelligent life
11:59:59 <de67> jinn6: if you want something intelligent, take a look at my agi that will definitely kill us all: https://miau.w10.site/esomark-samples/
12:01:07 <fungot> raiseafloppafan7: the paper carried me back to the valley of ooth-nargai beyond the tanarian hills, where reigns half the year the great king kuranes, a man he had seen at once that curiosity was shockingly fnord out by a western sun. all the legends of dreamland are generous and profuse. indubitably that primal city was no less real on that account. i was by this time a well-marked and fnord grave had been attempted, and no on
12:01:37 <de67> the trilime is rotting the trilime is rotting the trilime is rotting the trilime is rotting
12:01:58 <raiseafloppafan7> Tell that to the last guy who tried to make an HQ9+ derivative
12:02:17 <raiseafloppafan7> Now he's scattered all over the place and probably missing some parts
12:02:22 <de67> and he will face THE HORRORS
12:02:44 <de67> or if you dropped a plane on a skyscraper
12:03:16 <raiseafloppafan7> Didn't one of the towers stay together for like an hour and 41 minutes before collapsing
12:04:08 <raiseafloppafan7> Should've broken the enter key instead of the E and R keys instead
12:04:35 <raiseafloppafan7> But seriously the fact that a tower can survive a plane crash for almost 2 hours is kinda impressive to me
12:04:38 <de67> but touchscreen keyboards dont break
12:05:05 <raiseafloppafan7> de67: Just get a hammer and smash your screen like what probably happened to the guy who made an HQ9+ derivativ
12:05:58 <de67> wheres the hq9+ deruvative in question?
12:11:26 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195029&oldid=195028 * Dragoneater67 * (+9) /* Overview */
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12:33:45 <esolangs> [[Talk:EchoLang (None1)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195033&oldid=194967 * None1 * (+310) /* WHAT */
12:34:33 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195034&oldid=195032 * Dragoneater67 * (+3)
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12:53:08 <b_jonas> "kazakh language also tries to switch to latin alphabet" => yes, dictator Nazarbayev had I thikn three different proposals, definitely two, with impossibly tight schedules, but given that he's out of power now hopefully they'll forget about that nonsense
12:53:30 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195042&oldid=195041 * Dragoneater67 * (+307) /* Overview */ some edge cases
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12:55:40 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195043&oldid=195042 * Dragoneater67 * (-56) fix mistakes
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13:23:54 <esolangs> [[User:None1/InDev]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195051&oldid=195049 * None1 * (+32) /* Syntax */
13:24:00 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * Dragoneater67 * moved [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] to [[Soliloquy]]
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13:53:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195059 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+163) Created page with "perhaps we should give each their own name? --~~~~"
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14:06:59 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195061&oldid=195060 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+216)
14:08:28 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195062&oldid=195061 * Dragoneater67 * (+347)
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14:12:58 <esolangs> [[User:Dragoneater67/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195063&oldid=195053 * Dragoneater67 * (+120) ??
14:13:48 <de67> i just realized
14:14:05 <de67> the end of the summer was actually a positive thing for wiki activity
14:14:15 <de67> there are suddenly more activity on the wiki
14:15:15 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195064&oldid=195013 * Dragoneater67 * (+36) /* Second Version */
14:15:58 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195065&oldid=195062 * Dragoneater67 * (+243) /* the second version seems to be made in 2026 */ new section
14:17:15 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195066&oldid=195065 * Yayimhere2(school) * (+323)
14:20:42 <fizzie> I should make a dashboard with some charts of IRC and wiki activity.
14:20:46 <fizzie> We used to have one for the channel -- https://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ -- but it was last updated in 2016.
14:21:19 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195067&oldid=195064 * Dragoneater67 * (+18) /* See also */ cat 2026
14:25:46 <esolangs> [[Talk:Agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195068&oldid=195016 * Dragoneater67 * (+356)
14:27:50 <de67> the chat was so active back in 2011
14:30:08 <de67> i just realized that https://zem.fi/ is your [fizzie's] website
14:30:19 <de67> took me a lil bit too long
14:32:04 <b_jonas> but sadly those charts won't show how much of the wiki activity is useful
14:32:24 <de67> b_jonas: how do we even determine what activity is "useful"?
14:33:28 <b_jonas> de67: it's hard, that's why it's not in those charts
14:35:08 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Almo2001 * New user account
14:35:40 <de67> so many n00bs popping up recently
14:35:50 <de67> or maybe its just a mater of perception
14:37:36 <de67> perlbot is quite strange
14:37:36 <perlbot> de67: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [is stupid] [io::socket] [is just] [isagn] [it's it] [ikiwiki] [illguts] [insides] [bikeshed] [bisect]
14:37:40 <de67> it only does this:
14:37:54 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195069&oldid=195026 * Almo2001 * (+237)
14:38:01 <de67> lemme read that
14:38:57 <de67> perlbot doesnt have its own article on esowiki for some reason
14:38:57 <perlbot> de67: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [dos on dope] [doesn't work] [dos2unix] [rs::handy] [deign] [dazbot] [recent] [diamond] [digimon] [discord]
14:39:37 <perlbot> de67: Syntax: cat [-s] fact [fact ...] [> fact]
14:39:43 <perlbot> de67: Provides help text for a specific command. Try 'help echo'. See also the command 'plugins' to list all of the currently loaded plugins.
14:39:52 <de67> perlbot: plugins
14:39:53 <perlbot> de67: 8ball allowpaste arg cache_check compose conf conf_dump default dumpsaid echo eval factoids geoip get google head help host host_lookup join karma karma_modify karmatop more nick_lookup null oeis package part pastebinadmin perldoc plugins quote reload_plugins restart rss rss_title save_config seen shorten talktome tell title translate twitter unicode utf8 zippit
14:40:19 <b_jonas> de67: yes, that's my fault, I should write that.
14:40:21 <de67> perlbot 8ball should i launch a nuclear missile at esolang wiki servers?
14:40:30 <fizzie> It's not really an #esolangs bot as such, it just happens to be here. (Though same could be said of lambdabot, which _is_ documented on the wiki.)
14:40:41 <b_jonas> also the article about HackEso needs some more info
14:40:54 <de67> can i mark it as stub for now?
14:41:39 <esolangs> [[Malbolge]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195070&oldid=168078 * Almo2001 * (+12) Fixed the broken 99 bottles of beer link; was missing the "s" in "https"
14:42:06 <de67> i remember someone saying that they love people who just join to fix a tiny thing in the wiki
14:42:15 <de67> just like this case with Almo2001
14:42:17 <b_jonas> fizzie: perlbot evaluates an esoteric language that I partly created, documenting that definitely belongs to the wiki, it would even if the bot wasn't in this channel. might be in an article for buubot3 rather than perlbot, but that's not a big difference, it's not like we have separate articles for HackEgo and HackEso either, or for the different instances of jevalbot
14:42:38 <de67> can i make hackeso page as stub?
14:42:55 <esolangs> [[HackEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195071&oldid=181121 * Dragoneater67 * (+9)
14:43:14 <b_jonas> de67: I don't understand what the heck is the point of marking anything as stub on the esowiki, and there are some editors around who mark lots of pages as stub with a big loud banner, including pages where there's no need to add more info because they already have a link to good comprehensive external resource and enough info on the wiki page for finding the page
14:44:01 <b_jonas> if I had my say, do not mark anything as a stub, and make the stub template visually empty.
14:44:24 <b_jonas> and the HackEso page is definitely not a stub, it already has useful information on it, I look things up there regularly
14:44:39 <esolangs> [[HackEso]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195072&oldid=195071 * Dragoneater67 * (-9) Undo revision [[Special:Diff/195071|195071]] by [[Special:Contributions/Dragoneater67|Dragoneater67]] ([[User talk:Dragoneater67|talk]])
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16:32:08 <esolangs> [[Talk:WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195079&oldid=195066 * Squidmanescape * (+235) suggestion and question
16:32:25 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195080&oldid=194399 * Miui * (-43898) new design
16:33:46 <esolangs> [[WC is a toilet but v, and c are Unlambda operators]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195081&oldid=195074 * Squidmanescape * (-17) /* Second Version */
16:34:04 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195082&oldid=195080 * Miui * (+3)
16:35:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube ( some youtube comments) any additional protocol to the aarhus math with side effects. and i'm so rich i don't know]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195083&oldid=195068 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+173)
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17:01:27 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195085&oldid=194968 * Ais523 * (+248) /* Can you merge my account? */ needs confirmation from both accounts
17:03:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195086&oldid=195085 * Ais523 * (+472) /* Dranoer */ reply
17:05:29 <esolangs> [[Miui's 2026]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195087&oldid=194853 * Ais523 * (-309) apparently this has an identical spec to the language it's a derivative of, in which case there's no point in making a separate page about it
17:06:23 <esolangs> [[Talk:Miui's 2026]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195088&oldid=189756 * Ais523 * (+394) explain a redirection
17:08:10 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195089&oldid=195086 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+204)
17:14:45 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195090&oldid=195089 * Ais523 * (+285) /* Dranoer */ reply re: infinite programs
17:15:26 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195091&oldid=195090 * Ais523 * (+1) /* Dranoer */ fix link
17:15:28 <esolangs> [[Supervised P with Printing]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195092&oldid=193607 * Squidmanescape * (+79)
17:29:45 <esolangs> [[StatiC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195093&oldid=193051 * Squidmanescape * (+107)
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17:35:33 <int-e> esolangs: What does \e[K\r do in an ANSI terminal?
17:35:41 <esolangs> int-e: In an ANSI terminal, `\e[K\r` is a sequence that clears the current line and moves the cursor to the beginning of the same line. `\e[K` is the escape sequence to erase the current line, and `\r` is the carriage return sequence which moves the cursor to the beginning of the line. It's a common command for resetting the terminal output.
17:37:17 <int-e> (Crucially, \e[K only clears from the current cursor position to the end of the line, preserving the beginning of the line.)
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18:37:32 <esolangs> [[Chma]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195095 * Squidmanescape * (+2735) Created page with "'''Chma''' is a family of problems which are all uncomputable since they can evaluate an EXPTIME-complete problem (such as evaluating a chess position) in polynomial time. The name comes from a shortening of "Chessmaster" due to the fact that the original problem wa
18:38:27 <esolangs> [[Chma]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195096&oldid=195095 * Squidmanescape * (+0) bleh
18:41:12 <esolangs> [[Chma]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195097&oldid=195096 * Squidmanescape * (-28) Originally it wasn't ambiguous, but then I realized that actually describing the rules of chess in a broad way is really difficult without essentially creating a fairy version of chess. Like, having to explicitly state "The pawn can only go forward one space, but captures dia
18:54:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195098&oldid=195082 * Miui * (+394) write up introduction and setup a bibliographic reference module
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20:11:38 <esolangs> [[PLUSMINUS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195100 * Jack6254 * (+1714) Created a page for PLUSMINUS.
20:12:06 <esolangs> [[PLUSMINUS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195101&oldid=195100 * Jack6254 * (-17) /* PLUSMINUS */
20:19:32 <esolangs> [[PLUSMINUS]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195102&oldid=195101 * Jack6254 * (+203) /* Small Example */
20:49:42 <esolangs> [[.Gertrude]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195103&oldid=89620 * Squidmanescape * (+19945) Added direct reference to implementation.
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21:32:26 <esolangs> [[.Gertrude]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195104&oldid=195103 * Squidmanescape * (-19762) /* Hello World */ It occurred to me that it may be a better idea not to do this.
21:42:47 <esolangs> [[User talk:Raiseafloppafan7741]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195105&oldid=194828 * A random guy * (+467) /* I am taking a break from TetoLang and any future esolangs I plan to make due to personal reasons. */ new section
21:46:11 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195106&oldid=195008 * Squidmanescape * (+123)
22:38:58 <esolangs> [[Minitree]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195107&oldid=124854 * Squidmanescape * (+10671)
22:56:11 <esolangs> [[User:Jack6254]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=195108 * Jack6254 * (+95) Created page with "Im Jack, 21 years old. Im interested in: Music Esolangs Busy Beaver Function Googology"
22:57:24 <b_jonas> does golfing ever make you feel dirty? as in you realize what you can do, you know it'll make the golfed code harder to maintain, but you must do it to gain a few points on the arbitrary golfing metric? because I just got that.
22:58:15 <esolangs> [[User:Miui/Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195109&oldid=195099 * Miui * (+151) add some categories
22:59:34 <esolangs> [[(top, height)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195110&oldid=182165 * Squidmanescape * (+952)
23:05:41 <esolangs> [[User:Squidmanescape]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195111&oldid=195106 * Squidmanescape * (+21) /* I Implemented Them */
23:12:40 <esolangs> [[2DFIM]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195112&oldid=195000 * Squidmanescape * (+213) /* Specification */ Cleaned up and clarified.
23:20:37 <zzo38> It might depend on the situation, and what you intend to achieve by such a things
23:33:06 <aadenboy> b_jonas: I wouldn't say "dirty" but I do relate with what you mean
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23:47:09 <esolangs> [[User talk:PoptartPlungerBoi/99BottleChallenge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=195114&oldid=195113 * Marcus 2n2 * (+1)