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20:11:19 <ZeroOne> Yoko Kanno/Origa/Shanti Snyder - Inner Universe (mebe plays crap Live @ Shinsen-Radio)
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22:41:45 <ZeroOne> Keymaker: http://f2g.net/ looks like a promising free web host. 15 MB space, no ads, short subdomain address, SSI, email, FTP, statistics. :o
22:55:38 <lindi-> there's no such thing as free lunch :P
23:01:11 <ZeroOne> yeah. I wonder what the catch is.
23:01:48 <lindi-> maybe they will add ads in 2006? ;)
23:17:39 <calamari> and if they do, what have you lost? especially if you point to the page with your own domain :)
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14:29:03 <Keymaker> 01: cheers, but i've got the tampere one working now again
14:29:23 <Keymaker> (actually i didn't do anything, it just works now again)
14:42:53 <Keymaker> hmmmm, is there anything interesting anywhere..?
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05:42:05 <calamari_> read two esolang specs and call me in the morning
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22:15:49 <Keymaker> if someone knows any good befunge interpreter
22:16:07 <Keymaker> i'd like to know it :) so, link if you know
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22:33:25 <Keymaker> haven't ran it but looked the source and files
23:02:38 <Keymaker> where are all those befunge-93 interpreters for linux? please help!
23:05:28 <lament> mtfi was taken down :(
23:12:56 <Keymaker> hey, i found that some 'mtfi'; http://www.mypenguin.de/prg/progs.php?lang=en :)
23:14:23 <Keymaker> aaaaaargh, i can't probably get it working
23:15:47 <Keymaker> ooops, i guess the link i posted is to some atari site
23:15:58 <Keymaker> so this is probably for atari(?)
23:38:08 <calamari> keymaker: a little more powerful is my asm -> bf compiler.. doesn't produce very good bf code, though
23:43:59 <Keymaker> that picture that has inside it some brainfuck stuff seems interesting.. anyways; good night everyone, i'll go to sleep. :)
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00:01:11 <lindi-> calamari: oh, i have a program to do almost the reverse ;)
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12:05:40 <Keymaker> is there something wrong in the following befunge-93 program? here:
12:05:56 <Keymaker> i'm trying to print hello world
12:06:45 <mtve> yes, it drops half of chars :)
12:07:01 <mtve> _ operator pops the stack
12:07:42 <mtve> could be "!dlroW olleH">:# #,_@
12:08:42 <mtve> i'd add a leading zero, just for compatibility reasons :)
12:12:03 <Keymaker> this seems to be pretty good language :) (though, can't beat brainfuck, naturally!)
12:13:19 <mtve> matter of taste
12:13:46 <Keymaker> anyways, here is the final version of this: "!dlroW olleH"> #, :# _@
12:14:18 <mtve> could crash some naive interpreter
12:15:31 <Keymaker> by the way, if programs starts with a "
12:15:59 <Keymaker> will the first in stack be 0 or the one that is followed by "
12:16:19 <Keymaker> "hi" would there be on stack 0 h i
12:17:06 <mtve> just <top> 104 105 <bottom>
12:17:34 <mtve> and most of implementations pop zero from empty stack.
12:18:06 <mtve> (it's not strict programming to depend on this behavior imo)
12:18:06 <Keymaker> and probably supposed to, iirc that was in the language syntax i read yesterday :)
12:18:54 <Keymaker> (i accidentally pressed return while writing that..)
12:19:03 <mtve> question mark, i see.
12:24:18 <mtve> sorry, i've confused top with bottom, should be <bottom> 104 105 <top>
12:29:24 <Keymaker> anyways, here's a random byte generator:
12:33:07 <mtve> v v v v v v v v
12:33:07 <mtve> >?1>?1>?1>?1>?1>?1>?1>?1>........25*,@
12:33:07 <mtve> >0^>0^>0^>0^>0^>0^>0^>0^
12:34:50 <Keymaker> it's fun because there are so many different ways to write a program
12:42:58 <Keymaker> ..and it's nice to see the code getting more complex, when trying to get it smaller;
12:43:47 <Keymaker> isn't there befunge golf yet? :)
12:45:04 <Keymaker> hmmm.. according to google, seems that there's no :)
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16:28:33 <Keymaker> ..and here's another random i was supposed to post a while ago. not very short, but more interesting;
16:42:58 <Keymaker> hmmm, i'm hungry; better (try) to find something to eat :\
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17:28:58 <Keymaker> anyways, let me question; anyone interested about second brainfuck competition?
17:29:33 <Keymaker> won't be Component Competition #2, since i don't have any good idea, but i have some good ideas for the other
17:31:16 <Keymaker> (though, won't tell what before the actual comp)
17:54:54 <Keymaker> well, reply if you have spare time :p
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18:51:17 <Keymaker> !!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!ATTENTION!!!!!!!!
18:53:36 <Keymaker> just tried if someone falls to that trick :)
18:55:52 <Keymaker> but while i am it, i'd still like to hear if anyone is interested about that bf comp..?
19:01:13 <Keymaker> this channel is clearly trying to keep its status as 'the idle channel', i see. ok, well, i won't talk about that again.
19:04:18 <Keymaker> won't be component competition #2
19:04:22 <calamari> I am bad at tight bf, unfortunately.. hehe
19:04:48 <calamari> I usually just like to watch and marvel
19:05:07 <Keymaker> but you were in bfcc #1 right?
19:05:46 <calamari> I was about to enter a bfbasic solution one time.. but I figured it was no use :)
19:05:49 <Keymaker> but anyways, in this one'll need to make a program that'll be a bit longer than in competitions usually
19:06:38 <Keymaker> yeah, that'd be cheating a bit :) hmmm, must add to the rules that use of bfbasic or any other tool that can make up bf code (in case there are any) is illegal :)
19:13:07 <Keymaker> anyways, it'd be nice to hear if anyone is working on any 'crazy' code?
19:13:16 <Keymaker> anyone working on any esolang project?
19:25:16 <calamari> Keymaker: doubt you'd need that rule
19:25:48 <calamari> the winner will be optimizing by hand
19:27:16 <Keymaker> nothing can beat good ol' brain
19:28:31 <Keymaker> the score will be counted the same way than in bfcc 1, probably, that is, used memory * program length * instructions executed
19:50:30 <Keymaker> hmmm, i'll probably start working now on one-time pad (OTP) encryption program on brainfuck
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15:59:10 <Keymaker> this keyboard doesn't work well :( :(
16:00:00 <mtve> yep, we don't see what you type.
16:39:58 <Keymaker> anyone programmed with FROMAGE
16:40:19 <Keymaker> i found out that language today, though, haven't even tried nor tried to understand it yet :p
16:59:52 <Keymaker> well, i may be back later today
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19:40:07 <Keymaker> working on another quine.. brainfuck of course..
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22:50:15 <Keymaker> got that quine made (really hadn't time to work on it until now)
22:50:33 <Keymaker> 5074 instructions shorter than my first one :)
22:59:32 <arke> What language?
23:22:13 * arke wrote an optimizing brainfuck compiler to bytecode on my TI-83
23:22:19 <arke> was really slow, but the optimizations did help.
23:44:14 <arke> (for example, the sequence "+++" was compiled into "ADD 3", which basiclly was "1 3"
23:44:29 <arke> "---: -> "ADD -3" :)
23:45:38 <arke> [ would compile to "JZ ...", while ] compiled to "jNZ 1-after-["
23:45:47 <arke> it was very, very, very fun to do.
23:46:12 <arke> Oh, and it also optimized sequences like +-+-+-+-
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23:50:35 <arke> unfortunately, calculator frizzed, so it got lost :(
23:50:40 <arke> I should rewrite it someday
23:51:13 <arke> I'd love to test the quine on it :P
23:51:42 <Keymaker> too bad i can't yet upload this
23:52:05 <Keymaker> since i don't have any space yet
23:52:12 <Keymaker> but that i will get sooner or later..
00:09:03 <Keymaker> well, i'll go.. sleepy.. zzZZz
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00:25:35 <urger> I'm working on a new language
00:26:06 <urger> Standing for GRAB's Really A Bitch (or Bastard if that be your want)
00:26:32 <urger> If anyone's interested it should be ready for release toward the end of next week
00:27:12 <urger> Code can only modify itself
00:28:04 <urger> No built in accsess to tarditonal math (no addition, subtraction, etc.)
00:28:25 <urger> Or however that'd be spelled :-)
00:29:02 <urger> Whenever a command is executed it erases itself from the code
00:29:21 <urger> (the only way to loop is copy code foward)
00:29:37 <urger> equivlent of 1 + !
00:30:11 <urger> smallest possible loop ( I think)
00:30:47 <urger> To make the code all the more evil it was coded in BASIC
00:31:05 <urger> Anyone interested should email me at nhbrr@yahoo.com
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00:31:44 <heatsink> sounds like an interesting idea. You should... you left. nevermind.
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20:05:24 <lament> how's your grand project
20:12:17 <calamari> I'm taking an OS class this semester.. although it seems to be pretty lame. For example, in the tiny "relocation" section of the book, it simply assumes the cpu will do it. Blah.
20:14:12 <calamari> I think I came up with an idea for lesser cpus. Each 256 bytes can have a header that tells the offset of an absolute jump. Then when reading the program, the jumps can be quickly found and altered
20:14:38 <calamari> (or jumps.. the first byte of the header can tell how many there are)
20:15:45 <calamari> The reason I decided every 256 bytes is so that it will still work no matter how large the file gets
20:16:42 <calamari> anyhow.. I'd like to take the compilers class before I continue work on bfc
20:21:02 <arke> brainfuck compiler?
20:30:33 <lament> brainfuck compiler wouldn't make such a grand project
20:30:46 <arke> optimizing brainfuck -> c
20:40:35 <calamari> arke: bfc is a c to bf compiler
20:40:59 <calamari> cant even remember what I've named my own programs, lol
20:42:26 <calamari> arke: I wrote bfasm so that the C compiler would be easier to do
20:43:42 <arke> i wrote a VM and a BF compiler for it for my TI-83
20:43:50 <arke> unfortunately, the calculator frizzed, so its gone now :(
20:44:02 <calamari> bfasm is available, and works, although programs are bloated: it doesn't produce optimized strings or add-to loops for +/-
20:45:35 <arke> it optimized +es etc., but not any sequences. :)
20:45:53 <arke> although, i did have the code in place for it, just didnt do the actual thing yet
20:45:57 <calamari> arke: I'm talking about something different :)
20:46:24 <calamari> arke: if you take a look at the code bfasm produces, you'll see long strings of ++++ and ----
20:46:42 <arke> yeah, i optimized that
20:46:46 <arke> to ADD 3 or wahtever
20:47:11 <calamari> I suppose that the code runs faster without the loops, so you could say I optimized for speed :P
20:49:00 <arke> soemthing that i added but never used is that if P was negative, it would enter into the insrtuction stream
20:49:07 <arke> the compiled image, so to speak
20:51:18 <calamari> it would be pretty tricky to do self modifying bf code.. probably would need nul characters in the source
20:51:50 <calamari> either that or tons of <<< and >>> ick :)
20:52:27 <calamari> I thought about allowing it in bfos, but decided against it
20:53:30 <calamari> need to get off here and get some work done.. bbl :)
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