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20:42:31 <arke> hi
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20:16:41 <Keymaker> that GRAB language seems highly interesting
20:17:02 <Keymaker> hopefully he/she makes somekind of documentation about it
20:38:03 <arke> link?
20:41:43 <Keymaker> i don't have any
20:41:53 <Keymaker> it was just that some guy couple of days ago
20:42:04 <Keymaker> that told about some language he was working one
20:42:07 <Keymaker> called GRAB
20:42:15 <Keymaker> GRAB's Really A Bitch
20:42:21 <Keymaker> or something like that :p
20:46:28 <Keymaker> hmmm, better get to sleep.. zzZZZz
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21:19:11 <arke> :)
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19:48:06 <Keymaker> hm.
19:48:32 <mtve> what do you mean, 'hm'?
19:50:27 <Keymaker> :)
19:50:29 <Keymaker> don't know
19:51:09 <Keymaker> it's annoying to have too few spare time.. :(
20:21:59 <Keymaker> well, good night everyone
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21:59:45 <arke> --- Topic for #sourcehack is Merry Christmas (eve) | chown -R us ./base
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22:14:10 <Keymaker> hmm, what is #sourcehack?
22:14:42 <Keymaker> what channel, i mean..
22:15:14 <arke> dunno
22:15:15 <arke> :)
22:15:34 <arke> thought of an interesting idea
22:16:02 <Keymaker> ok :)
22:16:13 <arke> how about a BF-like language, where theres two instructions - "scroll" and "execute". "scroll" will scroll through the different instructions (lets say BF ones, for simplicity), then "execute" performs it
22:16:36 <Keymaker> well, i guess that's been done several times :)
22:16:45 <Keymaker> at least i've had that kind of things on my mind
22:16:57 <Keymaker> but yes
22:17:51 <Keymaker> for making it extra hard, the 'instruction select' would be wrapping, and execute not setting it to zero for example
22:18:07 <Keymaker> so, when user notices he/she would've needed to add some instruction
22:18:21 <Keymaker> oops wait..
22:18:40 <Keymaker> eh nevermind
22:19:00 <Keymaker> but yes, that kind of language would be nice
22:19:04 <arke> hehe
22:19:15 <arke> and in a loop, you can fuckit all up because you forgot to scroll once!
22:19:19 <arke> spectacular segfaults!
22:19:19 <arke> :)
22:19:26 <Keymaker> :)
22:20:34 <Keymaker> it could be clever to use space character (asc 32) as 'instruction character' and return/enter (asc 10) as 'execution character'
22:20:46 <Keymaker> this to make the source highly readable and easy to modify :)
22:21:21 <arke> Haha!!
22:21:21 <arke> :)
22:54:03 <Keymaker> although, as in that, in so many other languages (or probably all) some other program can be coded to do the work, for example making that kind of source file for example from a file where only reads the number of instruction on each line
22:54:27 <Keymaker> what i'd like to see would be a programming language
22:54:31 <Keymaker> that would need
22:55:02 <Keymaker> rr.. would be so complex that no program could be written for that
22:55:16 <Keymaker> so that it would be only human-readable source :)
22:55:48 <Keymaker> that only human could write the source, not easily though, and any program couldn't generate it
22:57:23 <Keymaker> on that "would be so complex that .." line i should've said ".. that no program to generate a program for that language could be written"
23:05:01 <fizzie> There is already a language that uses only whitespace as its syntax.
23:05:10 <fizzie> I've forgotten the name, though.
23:05:22 <Keymaker> it's called "Whitespace" :p
23:05:33 <fizzie> Ah.
23:05:36 <Keymaker> i knew that hehe
23:05:39 <fizzie> How clever.
23:05:43 <Keymaker> indeed
23:18:17 <Keymaker> well.
23:18:44 <Keymaker> have fun rest-of-time-of-the-day-on-your-time-zone :)
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23:18:55 <fizzie> It's 01:20 around here.
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19:05:15 <Keymaker> evenin'
19:28:07 <Keymaker> hadn't time to test the 'p' command in befunge until now..
19:28:07 <Keymaker> 25*6*2*2-00p
19:28:09 <Keymaker> @
19:28:13 <Keymaker> well, seems working :)
19:32:20 <Keymaker> and so does the 'g'.. #b10g,@
19:32:27 <Keymaker> better try doing something useful.. hmm..
19:54:58 <Keymaker> bye.
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01:08:47 <arke> TALK TO ME PEOPLE
01:08:49 <arke> :)
01:10:43 <fizzie> 03am localtime; no talk but sleep. ->
01:11:01 <arke> Only lame people sleep.
01:11:01 <arke> :)
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02:34:07 <lament> asdfasdfasdf
02:34:14 <lament> ;lkj;lkj;lkj;lkj
02:34:49 <arke> teh mooo
02:34:50 <arke> :)
02:35:00 <arke> or, is that your new language based on brainfuck?
02:35:06 <arke> :)
02:36:32 * arke was considering a 2insatruction esoteric processor. '?' would cycle between one of the brainfuck instrcutions, and '!' wouold execute the current one. To make things harder, '!' autoincrements the instruction by one
02:36:43 <arke> so +++ in brainfuck would be !???????!???????! in this language
02:36:51 <arke> [-] would become
02:37:21 <lament> im afraid someone already thought of that
02:37:28 <lament> or something very similar
02:37:37 <arke> ????!????!???!
02:37:38 <lament> or maybe it was you?
02:37:39 <arke> damn. :)
02:37:43 <arke> No idea.
02:37:47 <lament> anyway its on the wikipedia page
02:37:51 <lament> "turning tarpit"
02:46:11 <arke> aah
02:46:14 * arke looks in a moment
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04:39:33 <calamari> arke: for more fun change the bf cell to hold binary values only. then you don't need both + and -, just a "not" operation, call it @. Now @@ is the same as doing nothing, so @ can be combined with >, call it }. So you get: < is <, > is }<}, @ is }< :)
04:39:52 <calamari> err binary.. I meant one bit only
04:41:30 <calamari> that drops you down to 6 instructions. i/o can be memory mapped, so that drops you down to 4: <}[] :)
04:41:51 <calamari> combine that with your !? thing.. hehe
04:45:58 <arke> Hehehe
04:46:06 <arke> makes malbolge look programmer-friendly ;)
05:01:10 <heatsink> it's almost a language of emoticons then.
05:01:32 <heatsink> angry ninja grin frown cinnamon bun!
05:04:05 <arke> haha
05:05:45 <calamari> that's a good idea for a language.. just would need an interesting mapping of emoticons to getting something done
05:06:06 <calamari> :) :/ :( :D
05:06:28 <arke> ooh
05:06:31 <arke> how about this
05:06:37 <arke> instead of ! and ?, use newline and space
05:06:38 <arke> :)
05:06:43 <arke> VERY readable :P
05:15:37 <calamari> there is a language called whitespace .. ;)
05:15:44 <calamari> also uses tabs iirc :)
05:16:14 <arke> :)
05:16:19 <arke> This one would be even WORSE :)
05:16:19 <calamari> you don't really need two characters though
05:16:23 <arke> Pj?
05:16:24 <arke> err
05:16:25 <arke> Oh?
05:16:32 <arke> One character? :)
05:16:37 <calamari> you could just use the length of the file as the program
05:16:51 <heatsink> In programs like that, you have P = NP
05:17:13 <arke> Hah.
05:17:16 <arke> :)
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15:37:57 <Keymaker> evenin'
15:42:03 <Keymaker> rhh.. i've waited for long to have some spare time, and now i can't get doing anything or get started doing anything. :( unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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20:36:32 <Keymaker> evenin'
20:36:35 <Keymaker> (again)
20:39:21 <arke> teh hies
20:39:22 <arke> :)
20:39:32 <Keymaker> hi
20:39:49 <Keymaker> i'm trying to find a gas mask
20:40:35 <Keymaker> (from the web, of course)
20:40:44 <arke> ebay? :)
20:41:37 <Keymaker> no, one finnish place
20:41:46 <Keymaker> there actually is some nice ones
20:41:54 <Keymaker> i'll have to wait a few days to bid
20:42:48 <fizzie> huuto.net?
20:42:58 <Keymaker> exatly
20:43:02 <Keymaker> *exactly
20:43:48 <Keymaker> (and no, i'm not planning to strike any place!)
20:47:54 <Keymaker> anyways;
20:47:59 <Keymaker> any good name for a brainfuck site?
20:49:00 <Keymaker> (probably no)
20:49:27 <Keymaker> i've been trying to make up some nice name, but haven't managed yet
20:52:49 <fizzie> Dunno. I should write some content for befunge.org someday, just.. "haven't had time yet", during the last few years
20:54:52 <Keymaker> :)
20:55:25 <Keymaker> yes.. i've stopped on that site couple of times
20:55:54 <fizzie> And there's never anything happening.
20:55:55 <Keymaker> the quux rediction has more to offer :p
20:56:31 <Keymaker> hmm? nothing's happening? where?
20:56:39 <fizzie> On the site, I mean.
20:56:45 <Keymaker> ah yes
20:57:59 <fizzie> Hmmmm.. some web-bot seems to have crawled through my gehennom.org "site". It hasn't looked at robots.txt, and the user agent was "Java/1.4.1_04", which is strange - usually they have some sort of identification there.
21:02:02 <Keymaker> hmmm, i didn't even know you had that site
21:02:10 <Keymaker> (never visited it before, either)
21:05:48 <fizzie> I don't use it much either.
21:06:04 <Keymaker> :)
21:06:13 <Keymaker> what does the name mean?
21:06:26 <Keymaker> if anything?
21:07:08 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehennom - mostly comes from nethack to me.
21:10:23 <Keymaker> ugh.. yuck
21:17:51 <Keymaker> hmh,,
21:18:18 <Keymaker> what about wcbpwbfiwop.org?
21:18:41 <Keymaker> "what can't be programmed with brainfuck isn't worth of programming"?
21:18:55 <Keymaker> (quoting one site a bit, too bad can't remember what bf site..)
21:19:16 <Keymaker> or wcbpwbfiwopal.org
21:19:32 <Keymaker> "what can't be programmed with brainfuck isn't worth of programming at all"
21:22:56 <fizzie> They are... a bit hard to remember, perhaps.
21:23:47 <Keymaker> :)
21:25:50 <Keymaker> i've thought about 'turing-complete.org'
21:26:29 <Keymaker> as well as 'nested-loops.org'
21:26:36 <Keymaker> although, both probably suck :p
21:36:52 <Keymaker> w00t
21:37:07 <Keymaker> seems that bttf.com is totally redesigned since i last visited there!
21:37:37 <Keymaker> (i admit, haven't checked for a couple of months.. grr, and i'm calling myself Backie.. :()
21:53:29 <Keymaker> ah, well, now browsed around a bit. some pretty cool stuff happened there..
21:58:42 <Keymaker> hmmm
21:58:57 <Keymaker> just thought about programming something with php
21:59:06 <Keymaker> then realized i have no idea
21:59:33 <Keymaker> then i thought that "hey, is there any php-like esoteric language?"
21:59:45 <Keymaker> and realized that maybe i could start thinking about something :)
22:01:16 <Keymaker> and now i'm thinking "i may be too lazy"
22:06:07 <Keymaker> well; bye.
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16:49:45 <Keymaker> aarrggh. public commander keen forum has been attacked with shit-eating pictures and other grotesque material :(
16:55:33 <Keymaker> hopefully the poster is banned already
16:55:41 <Keymaker> either the way, i must go now.
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18:59:46 <Keymaker> that f*cker is now stopped and banned.. we've had problems with him before as well..
19:00:38 <Keymaker> i really wonder what drives some people... :\
19:15:37 <lindi-> Keymaker: what IP did he/she use btw?
19:17:14 <Keymaker> wait a bit
19:17:50 <Keymaker> ips 203.173.209.* are banned now
19:18:18 <Keymaker> don't know the exact, since i'm a mod and not admin
19:18:20 <Keymaker> :)
19:19:07 <lindi-> ok, nothing then
19:21:19 <Keymaker> ok
19:28:44 <Keymaker> hmmm
19:28:54 <Keymaker> a visual befunge interpreter would be cool
19:29:07 <lindi-> i think there are already some
19:29:15 <Keymaker> ok
19:29:22 <Keymaker> it was just an idea i had today :)
19:30:01 <Keymaker> would look nice anyways
19:31:01 <Keymaker> well, must go again. bye
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16:05:13 <Keymaker> rg
16:05:16 <Keymaker> evenin'
16:07:38 <Keymaker> ah.. finally some time to program in brainfuck..
16:16:28 <Keymaker> is anybody here?
16:31:25 <Keymaker> ....
17:50:00 <Keymaker> hmmm something's wrong in the code...
17:50:24 <mtve> too brained or?
17:50:59 <Keymaker> :)
17:51:19 <Keymaker> probably just some instruction missing somewhere
17:51:29 <Keymaker> not complex code
17:53:21 <Keymaker> according to the interpreter something causes some overflow
17:53:50 <mtve> brain overflow?
17:57:13 <Keymaker> yah :)
17:57:17 <Keymaker> well, must go. arrg.
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19:20:26 <Keymaker> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
19:20:31 <Keymaker> there's too many cool languages
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22:02:38 <Keymaker> can't.. find.. errorrrrrr.. x\
22:16:29 <Keymaker> :(
22:38:21 <arke> yes, theres WAY too many cool languages
22:38:22 <arke> :)
22:39:09 <Keymaker> yah
22:39:26 <Keymaker> and no time or intelligence to try them all out ;)
22:42:35 <arke> Befunge seems fin
22:42:37 <arke> fun*
22:42:52 <Keymaker> yes
22:43:01 <Keymaker> i've noticed that lately
22:43:04 <arke> I actually want to make a non-esoteric programming language based on befunge, with a 3d programming GUI and many more principles from Forth
22:43:27 <Keymaker> :)
22:43:37 <Keymaker> it would become esoteric :)
22:44:54 <arke> Naah ;)
22:45:00 <Keymaker> :)
22:45:09 <Keymaker> i've couple of ideas for a language
22:45:10 <Keymaker> but
22:45:19 <Keymaker> i can't decide the memory type,
22:45:26 <Keymaker> would it be a stack, array etc...
22:48:15 <Keymaker> i'm still waiting for that idea that'll make a whole new definition for the esoteric programming ;)
22:51:28 <arke> haha
22:52:11 <arke> i think malbolge is the worst right now ;)
22:53:41 <Keymaker> never tried that one
22:54:02 <Keymaker> but those iota, zot and unlambda seem the worst , to me
22:54:23 <arke> unlambda is impossible :D
22:55:17 <Keymaker> no way..
22:55:20 <Keymaker> oops
22:55:23 <Keymaker> i meant yes
22:55:25 <Keymaker> read wrong :)
23:01:41 <Keymaker> but well. enough fun for this night, good bye. :)
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23:02:43 <fizzie> Malbolge is designed to be evil. Unlambda programs some people have written, even.
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10:37:37 <Keymaker> yo
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10:44:27 <heatsink> hi
10:45:01 <Keymaker> hi
11:09:35 <Keymaker> hmmm, time to get some noodles.
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11:40:00 <Keymaker> hmmm, i'll do some keen stuff now. may be back later.
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14:20:13 <Keymaker> rghh
14:21:37 <mtve> rghh to you too.
14:25:14 <Keymaker> :)
14:27:28 <Keymaker> i'm boring
14:27:33 <Keymaker> *bored
14:27:40 <Keymaker> well, boring's good too
14:29:07 <Keymaker> kipple: are you the maker of the kipple language?
14:31:37 <mtve> wow. and no quine yet.
14:31:59 <Keymaker> :)
14:32:19 <Keymaker> should i try.. hehe :)
14:55:03 <Keymaker> we need kipple interpreter, preferably written in c
14:55:40 <Keymaker> (the applet crashes firefox when entering endless loop)
15:27:25 <Keymaker> hmm. i go now.
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15:40:04 <lindi-> why does it need to be written in C btw? GCC seems to be able to compile the java version, here's static binary: http://iki.fi/lindi/Kipple.gz
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16:35:27 <Keymaker> lindi-: it doesn't need to be written in c.. :) that was just because i had no idea gcc can do that!
16:36:02 <Keymaker> i said c just because i don't like java and have no idea how to compile it
16:36:24 <Keymaker> by the way, as i'm not good with compilers, what command gcc needs to compile that?
16:36:39 <Keymaker> can you give the whole command?
16:36:49 <fizzie> 'gcj' is gcc's java compiler.
16:37:23 <Keymaker> ok
16:41:08 <lindi-> Keymaker: gcj --main=Kipple Kipple.jar -o Kipple -static
16:41:14 <Keymaker> cheers!
16:42:38 <fizzie> Meh, away to do some sailing somewhere in the caribbean; back 2005-03-02 wed. ->
16:42:48 <lindi-> oh
16:44:58 <Keymaker> wow
16:52:00 <Keymaker> hmm. but must go, once again. i try to do something that i probably can't do since i'm a loser.. bye.
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20:35:51 <kipple> Thanks, lindi for helping Keymaker out. I don't think I'll ever port Kipple to C
20:36:11 <lindi-> :P
20:37:08 <lindi-> kipple: better develop it with GCC too or you'll suddenly notice that it doesn't work with GCC anymore
20:37:18 <kipple> what do you mean?
20:37:39 <lindi-> kipple: especially swing support is still only partial
20:37:46 <kipple> ah.
20:37:58 <kipple> well, GUIs are not relevant anyway
20:38:04 <lindi-> kipple: so, if you want to use java for portability you really should test different systems
20:38:35 <lindi-> kipple: good, then you should be able to use GCC for all your java needs :)
20:39:04 <kipple> ok. But I don't do much work on kipple, and when I do I'll focus on the fun stuff (that is NOT testing for different compilers)
20:39:36 <lindi-> kipple: well, if you don't do it then the users have to do it :(
20:40:04 <kipple> users? I'm not sure they even exist ;)
20:40:16 <lindi-> heh
20:41:21 <lindi-> kipple: keymaker probably wanted a C version exactly because many java programs run only with SUN's tools
20:43:04 <kipple> well, you demonstrated that it at least works with gcc as well :)
20:43:39 <kipple> Anyway, I'm just happy there are people who knows about it at all.......
20:43:39 <lindi-> at the moment yes
20:44:18 <kipple> I'll try to remember to test it with gcc next time I do something with it (if ever)
20:44:59 <lindi-> thanks
20:47:58 <lindi-> kipple: the applet seems to run with gcjwebplugin too
20:50:31 <lindi-> kipple: one minor bug though, if i resize the window the "sample programs" list will be placed behind the text: http://iki.fi/lindi/kipple-applet-bug.png
20:56:47 <kipple> hmm. That does not happen to me in a web browser.
20:57:40 <kipple> what is the gcjwebplugin? is it like Sun's appletviewer?
20:58:48 <kipple> also, the final character of the program (o) seems to be missing in your screen shot. Is it a bug, or did you delete it?
21:12:17 <lindi-> kipple: yep
21:12:48 <lindi-> kipple: and yes, i probably deleted it by accident
21:13:06 <lindi-> kipple: in a web browser you can't resize the window obviously ;)
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22:26:47 <Keymaker> arghhh
22:31:44 <lindi-> ?
22:32:23 <Keymaker> i'm about to send a message
22:32:57 <Keymaker> to a female i only know by name
22:33:26 <Keymaker> something tells me it's insane, and something else "send it already"
22:34:21 <Keymaker> either the way, i guess i'll send it
22:34:22 <lindi-> heh
22:34:27 <Keymaker> :)
22:38:50 <Keymaker> of f.. now i did it.. embarrassing situations, here i come..
22:39:26 <Keymaker> aargh, too late to regret
22:39:31 <Keymaker> i'm idiot!!
22:46:39 <Keymaker> hmmm, maybe a small brainfuck program would ease the situation..
22:48:58 <Keymaker> nope, it doesn't.. perhaps i've seen too many hollly
22:49:03 <Keymaker> darn return
22:49:12 <Keymaker> hollywood movies with happy ending..
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23:48:45 <Keymaker> hmm.
23:48:59 <Keymaker> i think i'll go to read some book
23:49:03 <Keymaker> nite
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01:08:16 <arke> < bawss> Right click.
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13:22:42 <Keymaker> YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
13:23:10 <Keymaker> that means she just replied :D
13:23:21 <Keymaker> w00t
13:27:26 <Keymaker> but ok, must go..
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00:34:12 <Rogue> hello
00:35:31 <arke> hi
00:36:09 <Rogue> have a hobby for esoteric proggraming languages
00:36:10 <Rogue> ?
00:36:39 <arke> yep
00:36:40 <arke> love em
00:37:24 <Rogue> cool, i like'm cuz languages like C and VB, are fucking annoying
00:37:49 <arke> roger
00:37:58 <arke> :)
00:38:14 <arke> (note: thats not the mentality that'll get you a job as a software dude ;))
00:39:52 <Rogue> i know, i understand programming structure and unstanding codeing technequies to read the design structure, but codeing scares me
00:40:05 <Rogue> i useally stick with BASIC
00:41:15 <Rogue> how about you?
00:41:22 <arke> TI-BASIC is esoteric :)
00:41:28 <arke> I really like BrainFuck and Befunge the most
00:41:53 <Rogue> lol, i still have a ti-82
00:42:18 <arke> when i feel non-esoterically, I do some asm or Forth
00:42:38 <Rogue> asm?
00:42:41 <Rogue> hardcore
00:43:03 <arke> :D
00:43:06 <arke> x86, nothing like it ^_^
00:43:20 <kipple> arke: If you like Brainfuck and Befunge you should have a look at SNUSP!
00:43:29 <Rogue> snusp?
00:43:45 <kipple> it's kind of a mix of Brainfuck and Befunge
00:43:57 <kipple> http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?SnuspLanguage
00:45:25 <Rogue> i want to make a language with JustBASIC
00:46:02 <Rogue> a lil fuck aroiund thing
00:46:49 <Rogue> any suggestions?
00:47:09 <arke> hrm
00:47:09 <arke> yep
00:47:12 <arke> :)
00:47:20 <Rogue> fire away
00:47:53 <kipple> What is JustBASIC?
00:48:36 <kipple> never mind. I found it
00:48:37 <Rogue> ever heard of liberty BASIC?
00:48:55 <kipple> looks nice
00:49:00 <kipple> and, no
00:49:09 <arke> Rogue: basically brainfuck. However, theres 2 instructions, one of them you scroll through a circular lists of brainfuck instructions, the next one executes that brainfuck instruction. after executing, it scrolls to the next brainfuck instruction. the character for scroll is space and the character for execute is enter/return/newline
00:50:34 <Rogue> i was thinking something more along the lines of MOUSE, or LOGO,
00:51:16 <arke> :)
00:51:43 <Rogue> you know, any language with sprite abilities can make something like that
00:52:41 <Rogue> brb, i have laundry
01:14:55 <Rogue> still there?
01:16:41 <kipple> I am
01:17:04 <kipple> Had a look at MOUSE. seems like a nice language
01:18:04 <Rogue> its esseintially a digital toy
01:18:19 <Rogue> make a mouse move around a screen
01:18:27 <Rogue> like logo
01:29:23 <Rogue> i wanna see the weirdo that made ZT
01:31:55 <kipple> heh :)
01:33:03 <Rogue> its an interesting language, hell, with an IDE frontend, it can become a drag and drop language
01:33:12 <Rogue> otherwise, it looks weird
01:36:57 <Rogue> how about a 2d command set where the command positions are on a grid type, with subs on a seperate grid set
01:38:26 <kipple> not sure what you mean...
01:38:40 <kipple> what do you mean with "grid type"?
01:39:45 <Rogue> well, a program would be written on both x,y
01:40:04 <kipple> yeah, like befunge
01:40:55 <Rogue> then the variables,(strings,numaric,boolean) would along the z axis
01:41:55 <Rogue> the editor would be like a spreadsheet document
01:44:38 <kipple> i don't understand what you mean with variables along the z axis.
01:47:18 <kipple> (sorry for being slow...)
01:47:44 <Rogue> well, all declared variables are set in a linear array into a stack, so each variable can expand easier, you have a variable declared at code block 7,8 would beput in the next available slot on an array
01:48:15 <Rogue> so a string variable would look like "string$(1)"
01:54:19 <Rogue> the variablables that are in the array/stack would be the z axis
01:55:32 <kipple> yes. I see
01:59:06 <kipple> should work
01:59:30 <kipple> are the variables only referenced by their location, or will they have names?
02:02:30 <Rogue> hell, if you played with VB a bit, you could use excel tools and what not, or other .NET tools you could make it
02:02:31 <Rogue> yes
02:04:36 <Rogue> names
02:05:27 <Rogue> the location of the code declareing it would be identified by the x,y
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05:03:40 <arke> hi
05:04:46 <heatsink> hi
05:05:25 <arke> whats up mr. CPU cooling device? :)
05:05:40 <arke> (or mrs. or ms., whichever applies)
05:06:12 * heatsink is reading about red-black trees
05:06:41 <heatsink> My neighbor had a tree that was kinda red-black.
05:08:12 <arke> red black? o.O
05:09:01 <heatsink> yea, it had dark red leaves.
05:11:29 <arke> wow that is weird!
05:11:38 * arke makes a note to google for that tomorrow
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19:41:24 <Keymaker> evenin'
19:41:28 <Keymaker> "16:37:24 <Rogue> cool, i like'm cuz languages like C and VB, are fucking annoying"
19:41:37 <Keymaker> you're absolutely right. :)
19:42:21 <Keymaker> now.. i would need some nice idea for a brainfuck programme
20:08:06 <calamari> how about a memory manager or command-line shell for bfos ;)
20:08:26 <calamari> hmm, think i'm calling it bos now, aren't I? :)
20:12:32 <calamari> one thing I tried to do a long time ago, and failed at, was to come up with bf code blocks to replace c commands.. for example: while(), etc. The basic ones are relatively simple, but it gets more complicated when break and continue are added
20:13:34 <calamari> that's why I rdecided to go for line numbers and goto's :)
20:14:00 <calamari> it still seems like it should be possible to generate, though
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00:10:58 <arke> hi
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17:43:43 <Keymaker> yo
18:08:27 <Keymaker> the finnish ones: going to watch alien today?
18:11:47 <Keymaker> oeeeeeeee!
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22:13:28 <Keymaker> aarrgh. the movie is too scary :\
22:21:24 <Keymaker> so i shut down the tv. :)
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03:36:30 <Rogue> anybody alive?
03:42:19 <heatsink> yea
03:42:56 <Rogue> ironic
03:43:09 <Rogue> all day, your the only other one to respond
04:00:46 <heatsink> is very quiet in here.
04:00:55 <heatsink> have you seen the logs?
04:01:41 <Rogue> yes
04:01:51 <Rogue> makes for very short reading
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08:11:32 * Keymaker tries to break silence
08:11:56 <Keymaker> aaaaarrrgghhhhh it's too strong! nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
08:16:09 <Keymaker> i can't understand why people join this channel for night -- and then go to sleep and let their screen name idle here
08:16:13 <Keymaker> :p
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17:46:29 <Keymaker> hm
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18:35:56 <Guest752> hi, there
18:41:12 <arke> Hello humans.
18:41:18 <Guest752> hi
18:42:18 <Guest752> I saw that Shakespeare programming language page and I was wondering if this is just meant to be funny or serious
18:45:18 <Guest752> don't be so talk-active, I can't respond to everyone if you keep on chatting so fast
18:47:18 <arke> hah
18:47:27 <arke> its just for fun, of course.
18:47:31 <arke> But some take it serious.
18:47:39 <arke> It's a very nice and unique hobby.
18:47:51 <arke> Especially doing things like writing optimizing BrainF*ck compilers etc.
18:48:24 <Guest752> I read the Helloworld example for this language but I didn't get anything
18:49:25 <Guest752> it's pretty hard to understand why people are doing this
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21:00:17 <Keymaker> Guest752: no matter the language, we just program software to earn our living ;)
21:00:19 <Keymaker> just jokin'
21:00:26 <Keymaker> and i know he/she isn't here anymore
21:00:40 <Keymaker> anyways, i'll write longer message now
21:04:21 <Keymaker> yeah, this is for fun, although i should take it more seriously. anyways, in my humble opinion world doesn't need that much more programs that do something "useful", like convert cd burners, mp3 players, web design tools, etc.. and that's why it's better to use languages that are a bit more limited and offer enjoyment, and make programs that do interesting stuff, like printing Hello World!, calculate pi, do cellular automaton, print their own source.. :)
21:05:25 <Keymaker> the point is: languages like C are there only to make it easier to write interpreter for new esoteric programming languages
21:05:48 <Keymaker> and, don't mind my splelling mistkaes
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21:18:48 <Keymaker> anyways. can't find better language than brainfuck, no matter how i think or search.
21:18:52 <Keymaker> nite
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23:32:57 <arke> teh brainfuck is teh fucking with my teh brain
23:33:07 <arke> [-] TO MY BRAIN!
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