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00:56:13 <tokigun> i'm writing low-level psuedo code of 99bob in whirl... eh.
01:10:55 <calamari> jix: I need to write up a bool debugger so it's easier to verify solutions :)
01:11:17 <jix> yes that would help a lot
01:44:30 <tokigun> http://zenith.sparcs.net/dev/whirl99bob.txt
01:44:47 <tokigun> i've just finished low-level psuedo code of 99bob in whirl.
01:45:02 <tokigun> (still hard to understand)
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10:18:46 <calamari> actually I should say messing with Swing, since I haven't written a line of interpreter code yet
10:22:07 <jix> hehe use ruby/tk
10:23:22 <jix> pythen is nice but i prefer ruby's syntax and core features and stdlib
10:23:23 <calamari> I've written a couple new LayoutManager's today.. but they should come in handy in the future
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10:37:48 <calamari> jix: http://images.kidsquid.com/bool.png
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10:52:26 <Keymaker> bool probably is some language?
10:54:48 <jix> it's 1bit brainfuck
10:55:39 <Keymaker> i thougth that was called boolfuck
10:55:49 <jix> calamari and me are trying to minimize the brainfuck instruction set without adding extra rules just by creating new instructions that can be build out of the old ones
10:55:55 <jix> boolfuck is different
10:56:02 <jix> boolfuck is LE and has bit output
10:58:30 <Keymaker> anyways, i'll be back later. bye
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11:14:33 <calamari> jix: added the menu.. going to bed :)
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11:17:13 <jix> moin kipple
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12:22:30 <{^Raven^}> anyone know who runs the esoteric.sange.fi mailing list?
12:26:30 <kipple> I don't know, but it might be the same guy that runs the brainfuck archive
12:27:05 <kipple> Panu Kalliokoski, pkalliok@cs.helsinki.fi
12:27:09 <kipple> http://esoteric.sange.fi/brainfuck/
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12:43:49 <Keymaker> there is no new-line in morse code (the real, not the programming language), right?
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12:50:56 <{^Raven^}> there are end of message and internal seperator codes
13:16:06 <{^Raven^}> I've been working on a project that may be of interest to the esolang community
13:17:13 <{^Raven^}> it's a website that may or may not be useful
13:17:51 <{^Raven^}> if you want to take a peek msg me privately and I'll give you the URL
13:18:09 <{^Raven^}> but I don't want it public until I've got permission
13:18:39 <{^Raven^}> I'd appreciate some comments if anyone is willing
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15:05:27 <tokigun> Keymaker: I've finished 99bob in whirl :)
15:05:59 <tokigun> (i have to optimize but it works)
15:06:58 <Keymaker> i wonder what the guy that invented whirl will say about that..
15:10:49 <tokigun> Keymaker: http://zenith.sparcs.net/dev/99bottle.wr
15:11:41 <tokigun> it weighs 20,332 instructions
15:12:25 <tokigun> it was generated by my own whirl assembler
15:12:27 <Keymaker> it's a lot instructions smaller than some slarty's hello world
15:12:59 <tokigun> slarty's hello world program gave me the idea about memory initialization
15:49:10 <tokigun> optimized 20,322 instructions -> 19,722 instructions
16:02:35 <jix> i've an idea for a new brainfuck dialect
16:03:07 <jix> is a programm that loops forever
16:03:27 <jix> the program is equivalent to [-]+[]
16:03:32 <jix> in standard bf
16:04:56 <jix> the commands are: []+-<>,. |^%"$ and maybe (i'm unsure) macros
16:05:46 <Keymaker> the dialect throws the symmetry out of window :)
16:06:39 <Keymaker> well, i think brainfuck is very symmetric with [ ] and , . and + - and < >
16:06:42 <tokigun> 19,162 instructions. hmm...
16:06:56 <Keymaker> the dialect has instructions like | and ^ and so on
16:07:01 <tokigun> oops, 19,158 instructions.
16:07:17 <jix> | is a reverse-mode-stop
16:07:30 <jix> maybe i should add a reverse-mode-start
16:08:33 <jix> ok new instruction set: [] +- <> ,. !? ^v '.
16:08:49 <jix> '.' is used twice ^^
16:09:27 <jix> i need to symmetric characters for up and down
16:10:15 <jix> [] +- <> ,. !? ^v 96
16:10:57 <Keymaker> :) as we know, aesthetics is the most important thing in esolangs..
16:10:58 <jix> and i need an exit character... @
16:12:41 <Keymaker> i suggest you writing some specification of the instructions.. sometime
16:13:00 <jix> but i've to do my homework :(
16:14:03 <jix> but it's only 3,5 weeks until summer holidays :)
16:14:42 <tokigun> ah... i have final exam tomorrow. oops :(
16:18:37 <jix> i need a name for my dialect
16:22:01 <jix> Yet Another Brainfuck A Like
16:22:57 <jix> argh homework... YABAL... homework.. YABAL... homework... URGH
16:23:15 <tokigun> 18,294 instruction, anyway
16:23:35 <Keymaker> going to get it below 10000? ;)
16:24:00 <jix> hmm Yet Another Brainfuck A Like (Language?) .. YABAL..YABALL?
16:24:46 <jix> i'm going to write down the specs after the next 2 pages homework
16:38:25 <Keymaker> well, back to program in bf.. :)
16:57:21 <jix> i found 2 ways for converting bf->YABALL
16:57:31 <jix> the first produces polyglots
16:57:39 <jix> the 2nd YABALL only programs
16:57:58 <jix> the 2nd is more compact and more YABALL style code
17:04:37 <jix> i have a new nice cat ( and i'm still not done with homework 0o...)
17:12:04 <jix> _ is underscore
17:13:32 <jix> the fraction bar is the line in a fraction but i don't think its an ascii character
17:14:10 <jix> maybe slash /
17:14:23 <Keymaker> i'm reading morse code entry at wikipedia
17:14:31 <Keymaker> and there is no picture of fraction bar
17:14:49 <Keymaker> or well, with picture i mean ascii
17:18:59 <jix> but in ascii representation i use / for the fraction bar
17:19:19 <jix> eg: 1/2 1212/1231234 6/9
17:20:11 <Keymaker> but there is slash '/' that is --
17:20:26 <jix> yes but there is no other ascii representation for a fraction bar
17:20:48 <Keymaker> at least i'll ignore it if there is :)
17:21:07 <tokigun> jix: you mean slash and fraction bar look same but they are different letters?
17:22:36 <jix> in ascii there is just one / and no other character that is usefull for representing a fraction bar
17:23:22 <tokigun> how about unicode? (bad joke)
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17:41:54 <jix> hmm i should add a cronjob for downloading the wiki database
17:47:41 <Keymaker> hmmm, i got a new quine idea while writing another brainfuck program
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18:22:58 <jix> is it normal that a wiki page is that slow?
18:30:34 <Keymaker> HELLO WORLD!.... . .-.. .-.. --- .-- --- .-. .-.. -.. -.-.-- .-.-.
18:31:32 <Keymaker> (there should be 7 spaces at one place, i hope this opera chat didn't trim them..)
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19:01:37 <Keymaker> http://www.bf-hacks.org/hacks/morse.b
19:01:46 <Keymaker> read from http://www.bf-hacks.org/programs.html how to use it
19:02:31 <Keymaker> it's surprisingly time-consuming to write that kind of program. the hardest part is to keep switching windows to look at wikipedia article etc..
19:02:41 <Keymaker> i hope wikipedia article has the right morse codes..
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19:07:12 <jix> http://esolangs.org/wiki/YABALL specs done
19:17:13 <jix> anyone wants to write a YABALL interpreter for me?
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19:20:30 <jix> tokigun: http://esolangs.org/wiki/YABALL
19:20:39 <jix> @15,556 cool
19:26:40 <jix> tokigun: do you want to write a YABALL interpreter for me
19:27:12 <tokigun> hmm i've to read spec before writing it
19:27:33 <tokigun> after final exam (22 june) ;)
19:28:19 <jix> hmm i thought in the next.. say 2 hours ;)
19:28:37 <tokigun> http://zenith.sparcs.net/dev/99bottle.wr
19:29:49 <jix> i like the wave pattern at the end
19:30:26 <tokigun> i'm considering c(or whatever)-whirl polyglot
19:31:19 <jix> c-brainfuck-ruby
19:31:37 <jix> uh whirl-bf-ruby
19:31:47 <tokigun> ruby... i know it but cannot use very well.
19:31:59 <jix> whirl-bf-YABALL
19:32:19 <jix> if you give me bf code i can convert it to a bf-YABALL polyglot
19:32:48 <jix> and you can fill any spaces in the code with 1s and 0s
19:35:48 <jix> i'm done with homework!
19:36:04 <jix> i just have to put it together and print it
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19:59:45 <kipple> jix: the YABALL article doesn't list the , and . operators
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20:02:11 <kipple> the cat example uses them, and also a @ operator which isn't mentioned
20:02:32 <jix> homework+specwriting doesn't work
20:02:42 <jix> i should scan my homework for the @ operator ;)
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20:08:19 <jix> kipple: any comments about YABALL
20:08:44 <kipple> looks nice, but too close to BF for my taste
20:09:45 <jix> its hard not getting to close to any other language
20:12:17 <kipple> the concept of different modes is interesting. that's pretty original I think
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20:16:08 <kipple> I don't understand the cat example: when the [ moves the IP down, why doesn't the ] cause it to go right back up again, causing an endless loop?
20:16:45 <jix> because it's in normal mode and moves right after moving down
20:17:44 <kipple> guess I'm thinking befunge
20:18:25 <jix> my first esolang was a vary simple fungoid
20:19:49 <kipple> are the cells signed or wrapping?
20:20:07 <jix> signed or unsigned makes no difference
20:20:11 <jix> but they are wrapping
20:21:21 <kipple> well, signed makes a difference if you try to output a negative number... at least it doesn't say anything about that
20:21:47 <jix> ok they are unsigned
20:22:12 <kipple> " Values less than 32768 are reserved for future extensions"
20:23:46 <jix> 0-255 stdout 256-511 stderr 512 close stdout 513 close stderr 514-32767 reserved 32768-?? custom
20:23:52 <kipple> or is it Values >513 and < 32768?
20:24:36 <kipple> 0-255 are also less than 32768, so you might want to be more precise ;)
20:24:53 <jix> feel free to clean that part up.. it's a wiki
20:25:21 <kipple> ok, if you aren't editing it now...
20:30:06 <cpressey> 1107 bytes already... bloody bloatware! {^Raven^}, i'm not sure whether to thank you or to curse you for bringing that contest to my attention
20:30:28 <jix> what contest?
20:30:45 <jix> i want to golf!
20:31:30 <cpressey> jix: http://www.geocities.com/dunric/advcomp.html
20:33:01 <jix> my english isn't that good
20:33:47 <jix> a german text adventure.. would be a lot easier for me (even tho the german grammar is horrible)
20:34:35 <kipple> well, engrish has its charms too :) Just think of Zero Wing
20:35:22 <jix> zero wing?
20:35:44 <kipple> "All your base are belong to us!"
20:36:07 <jix> someone set us up the bomb...
20:36:45 <jix> may i use other platforms than those on the page?
20:37:08 <cpressey> jix: you'd have to ask the person holding the contest
20:37:35 <jix> i'm thinking of a COSMAC ELF II
20:37:59 <cpressey> well, if there's a free emulator... there's always a chance
20:38:02 <jix> with a 1802 cpu
20:38:20 <jix> http://www.tinyelf.com/ is for mac os x
20:45:28 <kipple> that's an interesting contest. though the rules are a bit confusing...
20:48:24 <cpressey> i wonder how much abuse they'll be subject to.
20:49:12 <kipple> is linux an allowed platform?
20:49:59 <kipple> I guess they'll have to be lenient with the rules
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21:08:03 <{^Raven^}> i am assuming that *any* programming language is acceptable
21:12:29 <{^Raven^}> cpressey: I'm going to max mine out at 2,899 bytes. I wish the organiser would decide on a definate limit with no leeway
21:17:48 <{^Raven^}> it says that the listed platforms include what is allowed but doesn't state the competition is limited to them only
21:23:55 <jix> in what languages are your adventures?
21:25:17 <tokigun> i've finished 99 bottles of beer in whirl: http://page.tokigun.net/obfuscation/file/99bottle.wr
21:25:52 <jix> tokigun: yay
21:26:09 <{^Raven^}> for this I am using BBC BASIC, was tempted to use 6502 but BASIC is more efficient
21:26:54 <jix> maybe i'm going to use ti-89/92(+)/v200 basic
21:27:04 <jix> or chipmunk basic
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21:39:07 <tokigun> i'm writing a letter to author...
21:53:38 <jix> cpressey: what programming language are you using?
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22:00:18 <tokigun> Keymaker: http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tokigun/dev/whirl99bob.txt
22:00:20 <jix> moin calamari
22:00:31 <tokigun> my Whirl assembler script ;)
22:00:47 <tokigun> it is just a script.. but it helps me a lot
22:02:38 <Keymaker> so, that's the code you feed for your whirl assembler and it generates the 01 stuff?
22:03:02 <Keymaker> ok. btw, is the assembler available?
22:03:38 <tokigun> main function is whirlasm, whirlasmtable.
22:04:13 <tokigun> first it assembles the given code, using whirlasm()
22:05:03 <tokigun> then it generates table that program uses, using whirltable()
22:05:29 <tokigun> table is translated to whirl psuedo-code, using whirlasmtable().
22:05:43 <tokigun> toki... in Korean it means "rabbit". ;)
22:06:18 <tokigun> program psuedo-code and table psuedo-code is combined,
22:06:34 <tokigun> and assembled again using whirlasm.
22:06:39 <calamari> be vewwy vewwy quiet.. I'm hunting wabbits!
22:06:46 <Keymaker> so, the assembler could be used for any other program as well, when changing stuff inside p = r""" .... """ to some other..?
22:07:29 <tokigun> Keymaker: yes, but there are many restrictions.
22:08:20 <tokigun> currently my assembler cannot preserve ring state... i.e. selected ring, selected instruction of each ring, direction of each ring.
22:09:13 <jix> cpressey: for what cpu/computer?
22:10:01 <tokigun> lament: "-gun" is suffix in Korean/Japanese...
22:10:20 <tokigun> it has some nuance... eh... i don't know how to explain it. :S
22:11:00 <tokigun> Keymaker: so i have to arrange ring state manually... /0, /1, !blah/blah command is used for this reason.
22:11:38 <cpressey> maybe some 386 instructions if i get lazy :)
22:11:49 <calamari> cool, that script was written tomorrow :)
22:13:04 <tokigun> it is 6:13 am Monday here.
22:13:41 <Keymaker> i don't think he has even gone sleepin'
22:14:00 <calamari> Keymaker: gave him the benefit of the doubt :)
22:14:18 <tokigun> i have exam in 9:00 am, 11:00 am... so i didn't get to sleep ;)
22:15:46 <calamari> I stayed up way too late last night working on that java gui.. barely made it to church this morning
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22:58:58 <Keymaker> yes! i'm at 1011 instructions now..
22:58:59 <Keymaker> http://bf-hacks.org/hacks/quine.b
22:59:24 <Keymaker> i hope to break the 1000 limit soon (although not tonight)
23:10:10 <Keymaker> heh, my first weights 7000+ instructions
23:10:36 <puzzlet> My quine written in Aheui - http://puzzlet.org/puzzlet/%EC%95%84%ED%9D%AC~%EC%BD%B0%EC%9D%B8
23:10:46 <Keymaker> i've gotten ideas randomly, like for example doing something and then "hey, i could try that trick" and so on :)
23:11:24 <puzzlet> and sounds crazy in Korean
23:12:19 <puzzlet> by the way how you get ideas while doing some other things?
23:12:31 <puzzlet> you must be multi-threaded
23:13:06 <Keymaker> that just happens. i'm doing something non-brainfuck related and then i get some idea i could try :)
23:13:26 <Keymaker> can be that the language has modified my brains..
23:16:16 <puzzlet> i sometimes feel funge iterator points wander around in my brain
23:16:35 <puzzlet> or aren't they instruction pointers?
23:18:22 <lament> instruction pointer seems correct
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23:22:41 <heatsink> cool mumbai is spelled correctly
23:24:40 <Keymaker> i don't get the line in topic..
23:49:56 <Keymaker> oh no.. i have dentist time today, in ~10 hours
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