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07:40:47 <nooga> tokigun: did you started implementing SADOL ?:>
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08:21:35 <nooga> i guess that means no :>
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12:54:11 <tokigun> hmm i've started implementing SADOL
12:57:03 <jix> what's the best way to convert a 25,964,951 digit binary number to decimal?
12:58:33 <tokigun> generally FFT is used, but if you really wanna print it see http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/mersenne.html
12:59:14 <jix> that code isn't really readable
12:59:55 <jix> It takes about 2 minutes 30 on a 2.4 GHz Pentium 4.... too much
13:12:46 <CXI> ...you realise that FFT is O(NlogN), right?
13:12:56 <CXI> it takes such a long time because you're converting a 25 million digit number
13:13:04 <CXI> if you want to speed it up you could always use a smaller number
13:13:37 <jix> i realized that the number is too big
13:22:29 <tokigun> perhaps i have to use something like Ruby's objectspace
13:24:53 <jix> tokigun: why?
13:28:24 <pgimeno> recent versions of gmp have a decent radix conversion routine
13:35:51 <jix> tokigun: is there a current complete SADOL spec?
13:36:18 <tokigun> nooga has written http://agentj.risp.pl/wysypisko/uploads/sadl.htm -- but he says it is obsoleted.
13:37:50 <jix> i think i'll make my own dialect
13:39:36 <tokigun> i think so... current spec is too ambiguous
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14:39:23 <WildHalcyon> I disagree, I dont think the current spec is ambiguous enough
14:39:50 <WildHalcyon> I say, if you can figure out how to build the interpreter from the spec, it gives too much away - like a mystery novel where you know who the bad guy is already!
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16:59:18 <jix> tokigun implements SADOL..
16:59:23 <jix> and i thought about it too
17:00:06 <jix> but i'd change some things in my implementation (and give it another name because its a different language then)
17:00:44 <nooga> tokigun: will you threat functions like a variables?
17:01:05 <tokigun> i'll implement original spec first
17:01:36 <nooga> do you know about that A to Z symbols are always global
17:01:46 <nooga> and a to z are local...
17:01:55 <jix> for functions too
17:02:11 <jix> local functions
17:02:44 <tokigun> i'm implementing dynamic typing.. somewhat boring
17:05:23 <jix> ruby afaik
17:05:50 <tokigun> nooga: http://tokigun.exca.net/dev/sadol/sadol.c current code
17:05:52 <nooga> hehe.. try to imagine me implementing lists and dynamic typing in old Free Pascal
17:06:10 <nooga> on a 10 years old laptop
17:06:38 <jix> tokigun: you talked about ruby...
17:06:51 <jix> i thought you use it for implementing
17:08:33 <nooga> writing SADOL interpreter in Perl or other lang. which has got lists and dynamic typing is easier
17:10:37 <nooga> your site is in corean
17:10:42 <jix> nooga: another cool esolang idea?
17:11:16 <jix> nooga: do you have another cool idea for an esoteric language?
17:12:23 <tokigun> and as you see, my english is not very well ;)
17:13:43 <nooga> lol, that korean signs look kinda esoteric :)
17:14:59 <nooga> jix: actually i have one idea
17:15:27 <nooga> but it's brainfuck based
17:15:36 <nooga> and that makes it uncool
17:15:42 <jix> my only language is brainfuck based too :(
17:16:07 <jix> i don't have good ideas...
17:18:44 <nooga> mine is brainfuck in perforated-card-like notation
17:19:32 <jix> that is even more uncool than mine because it's just another name for the same things... ;)
17:19:33 <nooga> and program must be written as separate rectangles 16x24 characters
17:28:30 <nooga> http://rafb.net/paste/results/os31mB56.nln.html
17:29:50 <jix> it doesn't load here
17:30:05 <nooga> http://rafb.net/paste/results/os31mB56.html
17:30:28 <jix> no the whole rafb.net page doesn't respond...
17:30:49 <jix> i can ping the server
17:30:52 <jix> ah it works now
17:31:25 <jix> but it's just another way to write brainfuck
17:31:31 <jix> my language is based on brainfuck but different
17:31:44 <jix> http://esolangs.org/wiki/YABALL
17:33:12 <nooga> maybe it will be funny to write SADOL interpreter in Java
17:33:34 <nooga> Multithreaded SADOL >:D
17:35:09 <nooga> but i dont know Java ;p
17:37:04 <nooga> my dog needs to ... nvm
17:37:26 <nooga> got to go... maybe i'll be back
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17:48:36 <jix> fix your clock (18:47:15<puzzlet>oops 1:50 AM)
17:49:30 <puzzlet> perhaps there's a personal daylight saving time in my computer
17:50:37 <jix> i sync my clock with a timeserver so it should be the correct time
17:50:55 <puzzlet> my ubuntu should do it for me
17:51:03 <jix> my osx should do it for me
17:52:32 <jix> your clock is 2 minutes in front of mine.. (and a few time zones but that doesn't affect minutes)
17:53:16 <puzzlet> i got a remote server crashed and i can't figure out why
17:53:39 <puzzlet> when i ping it doesn't pong back
17:53:47 <tokigun> i also sync my clock with a timeserver
17:54:02 <jix> tokigun: your clock is -1 min (compared with mine)
17:54:18 <jix> maybe the timeserver-hoster want chaos all over the world!
17:54:30 <puzzlet> IRC must have a good time sync bot
17:54:32 <jix> maybe the nasa kidnapped all timeserver-hosters
17:55:17 <jix> to control the time
17:55:33 <puzzlet> but time flys like an arrow
17:55:38 <tokigun> when my clock reads 01:55:27, cmeme says it was 01:55:28
17:56:03 <tokigun> it seems that my clock is correct with error less than 10 seconds
17:56:24 <jix> have to restart my mac.. new tv-card driver installed
17:56:27 <puzzlet> then it's me whose time's incorrect
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17:57:22 <tokigun> puzzlet: when my sync program was inactive for unknown reason, it has error more than minutes. :S
17:58:28 <puzzlet> does that mean your hardware fails to keep its clock constant?
17:59:31 <lindi-> linux doesn't use hardware clock when it's running afaik
17:59:58 <lindi-> it just reads it on bootup
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20:06:33 * nooga listens to the Pink Floyd ;p
20:33:22 <nooga> lol -> http://photos6.flickr.com/7234920_0aed5a3cd2.jpg?v=0
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