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00:07:35 <calamari> GregorR: you can save yourself a lot of time by copying the algorithms from bfbasic
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00:08:50 <calamari> or you can have your irc client die and read the logs ;)
00:10:03 <{^Raven^}> There are a lot of techniques in bfbasic that should be useful
00:13:45 <calamari> I think I improved the array algorithms in the CVS version
00:15:18 <calamari> can't seem to access the cvs from school tho
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00:22:08 <calamari> another problem is that we are parsing inside the statement code
00:22:57 <calamari> hopefully that will change to everything being parsed beforehand and dealing with patterns
00:23:48 <calamari> if you want to kill {^Raven^} you can tell nickserv
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00:27:41 <NoneGiven> The SELECT structure was simple once i twigged the parser
00:28:18 <NoneGiven> it took me ages to figure out how to parse FOR .. STEP
00:31:13 <NoneGiven> calamari: Much of BFBASIC is written like an interpreter
00:33:07 <calamari> I wanted the ability to use Basic to do things like BEEP = PRINT CHR$(7);
00:33:19 <calamari> without having to duplicate effort of PRINT or CHR$()
00:34:03 <calamari> so when it sees BEEP it just adds PRINT CHR$(7); and parses that next
00:34:41 <NoneGiven> much of the compiler depends on that behaviour
00:34:59 <calamari> most conditionals.. DO/WHILE, FOR, ELSE
00:36:15 <NoneGiven> there should be a better way, but the current system seems to work very well
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02:15:43 <GregorR-L> I don't know that the array algorithm would be very useful.
02:15:53 <GregorR-L> Arrays are just pointers to buffers ...
02:24:40 <ihope> "So there you have it: a proof that that statement is indeed improvably true."
02:25:19 <GregorR-L> Please prove that that statement is true.
02:26:56 <ihope> Suppose the statement is false. End scope. Suppose the statement is true. End scope.
02:27:58 <ihope> Suppose we have the axiom "This statement is true." with no production rules. We have just proven it.
02:31:55 <ihope> Oops, I scratched some... stuff off this sticker thingy.
02:32:12 <ihope> Now I have a 16 GHz laptop because I scratched off the decimal point.
02:34:19 <ihope> It'll be very slow in a while.
02:34:32 <ihope> You know... processors slow down after a while.
02:34:56 <ihope> People have to keep changing the spec so a processor will always measure the same.
02:36:03 <ihope> Either that, or game programmers slowly start making games that work slower and slower.
02:36:18 <GregorR-L> Uh oh, he's on to the real secret!
02:36:32 <ihope> In that case, we could just fire them all and hire some new---
02:36:39 <ihope> Oops. I said too much.
02:36:52 <ihope> I DIDN'T MEAN TO UNDERMINE THE HARDWARE INDUSTRY, HONEST!
02:37:14 <GregorR-L> I need a subversion repository for C2BF :P
02:37:45 <ihope> Well, I have to go.
02:37:56 <ihope> 9:37. Bedtime's at 9:00...
02:37:57 <GregorR-L> Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
02:38:12 <ihope> ...So why the rush? I have about 11 hours to go!
02:39:03 * ihope adds more dots to that ellipsis
02:39:26 <ihope> Let's start over, in a while...
02:40:12 <ihope> "By" ++ repeat 'e' ++ "!"
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14:40:02 <nooga> jix, did u use Parsec for writing Rhotor interpreter?
14:43:01 <jix> i wrote the parser myself
14:48:35 <nooga> haskell seems very nice for writing interpreters
14:51:00 <nooga> why didn't u used Parsec?
14:52:23 <jix> because my syntax is complex and it would have taken more time to learn all the parsec syntax
14:54:05 <nooga> jix, can i tell u something?
14:55:50 <jix> well it is complex enough to make it easier to implement a custom parser than compiling and learning parsec
14:56:21 <jix> no it isn't complex enough but it has the right degree of complexity if it would be a lot more complex i'd have taken parsec
14:56:25 <jix> nooga: yes
14:57:10 <nooga> sure, haskell is better for parsing than C+yacc as is
14:57:22 <jix> ruby+racc is very nice too
14:57:30 <jix> but you don't want to do string handling at all in c
14:57:57 <nooga> jix: when i talk with you i feel like i was talking with HAL
15:00:43 <nooga> you know, no emotes, no stupid jokes, just pure, exact sentences
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15:02:26 <ihope> I'm writing a spec for another new language, Minks.
15:05:43 <nooga> jix: i didn't intend to offend you
15:06:24 <jix> nooga: you didn't
15:06:31 <jix> i was just afk
15:06:34 <ihope> Hmm. /me quits the posting on the comment thingies and gets to work
15:07:17 <ihope> Problem: I can't decide whether this is a joke language or not.
15:07:49 <ihope> Oh, right. I was looking up the Turing-completeness proof for Minsky machines...
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15:33:18 <kipple> ihope: so what's this Minks language about?
15:34:45 <ihope> A.k.a. register machines, a.k.a. program machines...
15:35:27 <ihope> Eh, I'll finish it later
15:43:47 <jix> one register?
15:54:51 * nooga loves ruby & haskell
16:17:01 <ihope> Is it just me, or is Minks not showing up on the Recent Changes?
16:18:34 <kipple> huh? in the wiki you mean?
16:18:58 <kipple> it doesn't show, but there is no Minks article either
16:19:02 <jix> ihope: why two?
16:19:05 <jix> why not one
16:19:27 <jix> if you use multiplication division instead of addition and subtraction
16:19:52 <ihope> But maybe addition and subtraction is harder to use.
16:20:15 <ihope> Less obvious, anyway.
16:20:28 <jix> multiplication and division using one register is like addition and subtraction on as many registers as you want
16:21:07 <kipple> have you entered a Minks article in the wiki? I can't find it...
16:21:31 <ihope> Apparently I clicked the wrong button, and it previewed itstead of saving.
16:26:30 <ihope> Now thw spec's up.
16:34:54 <ihope> "Rough-coated, dough-faced, thoughtful ploughman John Gough strode through the streets of Scarborough; after falling into a slough on Coughlin road near the lough (dry due to drought), he coughed and hiccoughed, then checked his horse's houghs and washed up in a trough!"
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16:43:46 <SimonRC> There once was a lady from Slough / Who caught a terrible cough / She wasn't to know / It would last until now / So let's hope that she will pull through.
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16:51:30 <nooga> ah, i was typing "haskell" when windiw appeared
16:55:10 <nooga> how's your language?
16:56:16 <ihope> Um, http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Minks
16:59:24 <jix> ihope: not turing complete
16:59:41 <jix> didn't read one line in the spec
16:59:53 <nooga> jix: you can assess turing completenes by just starring at the doc?
17:00:07 <jix> i just saw the list of commands
17:00:17 <jix> and there were no looping or jumping commands
17:00:25 <nooga> youre chuck norris or something
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17:08:59 <nooga> INP: takes input and puts it in the REGISTER.
17:08:59 <nooga> inp: takes input and puts it in the REGISTER.
17:11:33 <jix> i think it isn't
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18:56:36 <nooga> hi GregorR and his pet
18:58:46 <GregorR> My building finally got the network working again.
18:59:45 <nooga> dialup, i heard that dialup in US is good way to connect
18:59:59 <nooga> here in Poland we've all have cable
19:00:15 <nooga> bcs dialup is horribly EXPENSIVE
19:03:49 <GregorR> Still working on this damn AST.
19:03:55 <GregorR> It's such a mechanical process >_<
19:04:14 <GregorR> Oh, and I'm up to 10 pages on c2bf.pdf.
19:07:25 <GregorR> Then once the AST is done, I'll generate the generator with unimplemented stubs, and start filling it in to support one basic program. Then I'll have a proof of concept.
19:07:55 <nooga> damn.... got to go
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19:44:55 <ihope> So what's the verdict? Turing-complete?
19:45:14 <ihope> (And thanks for correcting that mistake.)
20:08:28 <ihope> New color-coding for languages. Spanish is red, French is blue, German is brown, Italian is green, and English is black.
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22:24:27 <fizzie> Syntax-highlighted befunge is my favourite art form.
22:25:31 <fizzie> I am only aware of two pieces of it, though.
22:28:58 <fizzie> (There's mooz's infamous quicksort at http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/quux/qsort.html and my Turing machine interpreter at http://gehennom.org/~fis/utm.html - any other?)
22:32:08 <ihope> I want a language that consists entirely of syntax highlighting.
22:32:48 <fizzie> Those pieces of syntax-highlighted befunge do look a bit like Piet code.
22:43:14 <ihope> Piet... Piet... wasn't there some guy named Piet once>
22:51:27 <ihope> I wonder what those guys were thinking when they wrote "you have no chance to survive make your time"...
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