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00:42:31 <Razor-X> So does anyone want to write a Slashdot article to shamelessly advertise the contest?
00:42:42 <Razor-X> !ihope_repeater How about you?
00:43:21 <Eidolos> Razor-X: If you want to write it, I'll submit it with my account.
00:43:27 <Razor-X> Mmmmkay.
00:44:35 <Razor-X> On a seperate note: After 1.5 hours of compilation, Octave failed to compile.
00:44:48 <GregorR-W> lol]
00:45:17 <Razor-X> Fun :P.
00:45:19 <GregorR-W> I give it a 10% chance of getting in.
00:45:29 <Razor-X> I think I'll be a Slackware-wuss and just use a binary.
00:45:41 <Razor-X> Come on! It's useless and stupid, of course it'll get into Slashdot!
00:46:03 <Eidolos> Whitespace made the Slashdot frontpage (admittedly it was on April 1st.. :))
00:46:12 <Razor-X> Hah.
00:46:34 <ihope> We'll just have to delay it until April 1st, then.
00:47:03 -!- nooga has joined.
00:47:08 <nooga> hello
00:48:56 <ihope> Hola.
00:49:01 <Razor-X> !bf_txtgen rainbow
00:49:13 <EgoBot> 80 ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>-.<---------.+++++.>+.<+.++++++++. [617]
00:49:28 <Razor-X> That isn't too bad.
00:49:51 <GregorR-W> Isn't too bad? That's actually quite good IMHO
00:49:56 <Razor-X> Yeah.
00:49:58 <nooga> well
00:50:02 <Razor-X> Good. It won't look too embarassing :D.
00:50:11 <nooga> can i get the src of bftextgen?
00:50:19 <Razor-X> It's done, Eidolos.
00:50:34 <Eidolos> Hmm. Is it small enough to paste here?
00:50:35 <nooga> hm
00:50:39 <ihope> nooga: textgen.java
00:50:45 <nooga> where
00:50:46 <Razor-X> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
00:50:56 <ihope> nooga: Google
00:50:56 <Razor-X> My dear Microsoft Hating Gods!
00:51:07 * Razor-X prays to the Google for forgiveness.
00:51:14 <Razor-X> Ah. OSS cliches :P.
00:51:21 <ihope> Which of your gods hate Google, and which do not?
00:51:28 <ihope> s/Google/Microsoft/
00:51:33 <Razor-X> All of them do.
00:51:35 <GregorR-W> nooga: It's in the files archive under brainfuck/util (or something thereabouts)
00:51:39 <Razor-X> I am The Stereotypical Geek.
00:51:44 <GregorR-W> nooga: Also, it's in the files archive in the EgoBot source of course.
00:51:59 <nooga> i'm working at SADOL'a '(' function (calling external funcs) and BDSM2++ and LibSADOL and mod_SADOL for Apache2
00:52:00 <Razor-X> I have gods that Hate Microsoft, and Love Google and Firefox and all other things Geek Holy.
00:52:11 * ihope thinks
00:52:45 <ihope> That was 21 messages I got in a row from EgoBot.
00:52:53 <Razor-X> This year marks the first year of the 2006 Esolang Competition!!! If you're not familiar with Esolangs, they're programming languages with specific constraints. Many of them are turing tarpits, meaning they are Turing complete but only contain a minimum amount of operations (BrainFuck). Others use weird logic, operators the like you've never seen (or want to see), and line noise almost as bad as Perl (INTERCAL). Then again, some of them
00:52:53 <Razor-X> are just pure Hell (Malbolge). So ye fellow Slashdotters, come one and come all to test ye programming skills among the best of the best! You never know what you'll find over the (BrainFuck ahead) ++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>+><<<<-]>++.>-.<---------.+++++.>+.<+.++++++++. Join at http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/2006_Esolang_Contest
00:52:55 <Razor-X> How does that sound?
00:53:07 <Razor-X> Oh, wait.
00:53:21 <Razor-X> *annual Esolang Competition!!!
00:53:48 <GregorR-W> Hm
00:53:52 * Eidolos isn't so sure he likes the triple exclamation points.
00:53:53 <GregorR-W> ><
00:53:56 <GregorR-W> Take out that redundancy.
00:54:00 <Razor-X> It's meant to appeal to Slashdotters.
00:54:06 <Eidolos> I also wouldn't include the "(BrainFuck ahead)"
00:54:14 <Razor-X> Yeah, I wasn't sure about that.
00:54:15 <nooga> only mad ppl put five exclamation marks
00:54:20 <Razor-X> I thought they used heavy doses of multiple punctuation?
00:54:26 <Razor-X> I never do myself, but yeah.
00:54:37 <Razor-X> I guess I underestimated the Slashdot community :P.
00:54:58 <Razor-X> Ok then, take out the (BrainFuck ahead) and the two extra `!'s.
00:55:18 <GregorR-W> I'm going to drop it to an 8% chance.
00:55:27 <nooga> !sadol !!!!!0
00:55:29 <EgoBot> 00000
00:55:32 <Razor-X> What corrections would you like to see, GregorR-W?
00:55:33 <nooga> ;)
00:55:39 <ihope> !qbf !!!!!0
00:55:41 <EgoBot> Traceback (most recent call last):
00:55:45 <Razor-X> :D.
00:55:48 <Eidolos> Also what's with the Olde Englishe?
00:55:48 <Eidolos> :)
00:55:53 <nooga> !sadol !!!!!"1!
00:55:55 <EgoBot> !!!!!
00:55:56 <GregorR-W> Razor-X: None, it just won't get in.
00:55:57 <Razor-X> Madness, that's all.
00:56:15 <Razor-X> I knew I should've been listening to the RahXephon OP while writing it :(.
00:56:38 <Eidolos> And "You never know what you'll find over the <rainbow>"? x_x
00:56:45 <Eidolos> Damnit man :)
00:56:47 <Eidolos> I'll write one.
00:57:02 <GregorR-W> lol.
00:57:03 <Razor-X> What?!
00:57:05 <GregorR-W> Eidolos is not a fan :P
00:57:16 <Razor-X> Does rainbow sound too unmanly for you?!?!
00:57:25 <lament> yes
00:57:35 <Razor-X> Maybe there's a reason behind that!
00:57:41 <Eidolos> Also.. shouldn't you decide on a start date before posting on /.?
00:57:42 <GregorR-W> lol
00:57:46 <nooga> evil
00:57:52 <nooga> heh
00:57:57 <Razor-X> Eidolos: I need 5-10 committee members.
00:57:58 <nooga> sadol isn't so evil
00:58:11 <Razor-X> Although I'm just hoping for 5 now.
00:58:17 <nooga> sadol is practically one of most comfortable esolangs
00:58:25 <nooga> ;/
00:58:28 <nooga> ;\
00:58:29 <nooga> ;<
00:58:45 <Razor-X> !1~.1$#1
00:58:47 <EgoBot> Huh?
00:59:03 <Razor-X> Shh EgoBot, that's what I use in my BF interpreter in INTERCAL.
00:59:09 <Razor-X> Err....
00:59:17 <Razor-X> !1~.1'~1
00:59:20 <EgoBot> Huh?
00:59:22 <Razor-X> Errr.....
00:59:25 <Razor-X> !1~.1'~#1
00:59:28 <EgoBot> Huh?
00:59:28 <Razor-X> There we go!
00:59:35 <Razor-X> !repeater Shut up.
00:59:37 <EgoBot> Line 2
01:00:12 <Razor-X> I think it should be plainly obvious what that line does.
01:00:30 <nooga> um
01:00:38 <Razor-X> What?
01:00:48 <nooga> nuthin'
01:00:55 <Razor-X> See. I knew you'd understand.
01:01:06 <GregorR-W> !repeater Tell Razor-X what to do.
01:01:09 <EgoBot> Shut up.
01:01:13 <GregorR-W> ^^
01:01:23 <Razor-X> !repeater Egobot shouldn't....
01:01:25 <EgoBot> Tell Razor-X what to do.
01:01:29 <GregorR-W> lol
01:02:25 <nooga> ;]
01:02:40 <nooga> !repeater Nasty
01:02:44 <EgoBot> Egobot shouldn't....
01:02:56 <Razor-X> My innocence!
01:03:19 <ihope> !repeater This Repeater Thing Is
01:03:21 <EgoBot> Nasty
01:03:25 <nooga> ;d
01:03:31 <GregorR-W> !repeater Silly,
01:03:34 <EgoBot> This Repeater Thing Is
01:03:47 <Razor-X> !repeater Among other things, Egobot is
01:03:50 <EgoBot> Silly,
01:04:09 <GregorR-W> !repeater Many things are made out of wood.
01:04:12 <EgoBot> Among other things, Egobot is
01:04:35 <nooga> xD
01:04:50 <Razor-X> !repeater 空の部屋のいろいろ事は
01:04:54 <EgoBot> Many things are made out of wood.
01:04:58 <Razor-X> :).
01:05:05 <ihope> !repeater I can't read this:
01:05:08 <EgoBot> 空の部屋のいろいろ事は
01:05:31 <nooga> !sadol (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:05:34 <EgoBot> (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:05:36 <nooga> ah
01:05:43 <nooga> the most beautiful quine
01:06:02 <Razor-X> (3:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:06:08 <Razor-X> !sadol (3:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:06:09 <EgoBot> (4:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:06:16 <GregorR-W> !glass {M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}
01:06:20 <EgoBot> {M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}
01:06:27 <Razor-X> Too... many... disfigured... smilies.....
01:06:31 <ihope> SADOL = Glass?
01:06:31 <nooga> ;d
01:06:34 <nooga> no
01:06:41 <Razor-X> Methinks.... someone has been.... having too much fun.... with smilies.....
01:06:46 <ihope> !sadol {M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?"{M[m(_s)S!(_o)O!<34>(_s)(ns).?""1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}"1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?1(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?2(_o)o.?0(_o)o.?]}
01:06:48 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unsupported character: ')' (index: 135, row: 1, col: 136)
01:06:49 <nooga> ;d;d;d;
01:06:57 <ihope> !glass (3:C",216!"9(4:C",216!C!C!"9(4:C",216!C!C
01:07:00 <EgoBot> OK
01:07:03 <nooga> ;dS
01:07:04 <nooga> ;dS
01:07:04 <Razor-X> o_O.
01:07:07 <nooga> o.O
01:07:18 <nooga> wtf
01:07:23 <ihope> 6-)
01:07:23 <Eidolos> !bf_txtgen Good luck!
01:07:27 <Eidolos> :/
01:07:35 <EgoBot> 104 +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>----.>++++++..>-----.>++.<<---.+++++++++.>-.++++++++.>+. [140]
01:07:39 <nooga> but nobody of you has a REVERSED QUINE!
01:07:40 <Razor-X> !glass ++++++[>+++++<-]>.
01:07:44 <EgoBot> OK
01:07:51 <Razor-X> Awesome.
01:07:59 <GregorR-W> lol
01:08:01 <nooga> !sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(
01:08:04 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 98, row: 1, col: 99)
01:08:06 <Razor-X> !glass You're a really buggy bot, OK?
01:08:07 <nooga> xD
01:08:09 <nooga> !sadol (7:C",228!R!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(:R",228(7:C",2289"!R!:R",2287"!C!RR!C!"7822,"R:!R!"9822,"C:7(
01:08:10 <EgoBot> OK
01:08:12 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 98, row: 1, col: 99)
01:08:15 <nooga> shish
01:08:23 <Razor-X> Yay. Such an obedient bot.
01:08:31 <Eidolos> The <a href="http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/2006_Esolang_Contest">2006 Esolang Competition</a> is about to begin! If you're not familiar with Esolangs, they're esoteric programming languages created with a specific set of constraints yet still powerful enough to be useful -- most are even Turing complete. Some minimalize the instruction set (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck">brainfuck</a>), some aim to break a commonl
01:08:31 <Eidolos> y-held idea about coding (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge">Befunge</a>), some have line noise even worse than Perl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercal), and some are just pure Hell (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge">Malbolge</a>). The goal is to write a program in an esoteric language that completes some currently unannounced task. +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>----.>++++++..>-----.
01:08:32 <Eidolos> >++.<<---.+++++++++.>-.++++++++.>+.
01:09:01 <Razor-X> I said noise *almost as bad as Perl*.
01:09:22 <Eidolos> I know. I read it. I'm a Perl enthusiast, sorry.
01:09:28 <Razor-X> Gah!
01:09:34 <nooga> hehehe
01:09:37 <Razor-X> Give me Liberty or give me Death!
01:09:38 <ihope> "Think you're a leet coder? Think again: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/2006_Esolang_Contest"
01:09:43 <Razor-X> !bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++++>+++++++>++<<<<-]>----.>++++++..>-----.>++.<<---.+++++++++.>-.++++++++.>+.
01:09:46 <EgoBot> Good luck!
01:09:46 * ihope kills Razor-X
01:09:53 <nooga> even Larry Wall said that perl sometimes looks like hell
01:10:08 <ihope> Perl sometimes looks like Malbolge?
01:10:18 <Razor-X> Here's one line from INTERCAL:
01:10:19 <Razor-X> DO .3 <- !3~#15'$!3~#240'
01:10:33 <Razor-X> (From a program that outputs given input.)
01:10:35 <Razor-X> Or another:
01:10:42 <Razor-X> (20)PLEASE RESUME '?.1$#256'~'#256$#256'
01:10:50 * Eidolos submits
01:10:52 <Razor-X> I think it's more readable than Perl *shrug*.
01:11:31 <GregorR-W> ORK is more readable than either :P
01:11:40 * Razor-X shudders.
01:11:45 <Eidolos> I wrote a nice (but very basic) quine in Perl the other night: http://sartak.katron.org/quine.pl.txt
01:11:53 <ihope> ORK is just a subset of English, sheesh.
01:12:04 <Razor-X> That's what made me shudder.
01:13:52 <ihope> You just need to make a subset of English using only the word "geranium".
01:14:27 <GregorR-W> But the only sentence you can form with the word "geranium" is "Geranium."
01:14:35 <GregorR-W> Or I guess, "Geranium?" and "Geranium!"
01:14:50 <Razor-X> For those of you that can't read the first line, it says to take first take the variable .3 and take all the bits in the positions where the number 15 corresponds to 1's, and pack those bits to the left. (Keep this in a temporary variable in your brain). Now take the number 256 and interleave its bits with the bits for 256. (Keep this in another temporary variable.) Now take take out the bits from the first temporary variable where the
01:14:50 <Razor-X> second variable has 1 in its value, pack those to the left (remembering to pad with 0) and store this into the variable .3 .
01:15:09 <ihope> None of those are proper sentences
01:15:28 <Razor-X> Like I said, perfectly readable.
01:15:33 <Razor-X> And intuitive too.
01:15:39 <GregorR-W> ihope: They are if they're a response to a question.
01:15:55 <ihope> But they're still not really complete.
01:16:29 <Razor-X> Pack to the right! Sorry!
01:16:42 <Razor-X> (Nobody caught my mistake? Shame.)
01:16:45 <Eidolos> So much for intuitive.
01:16:57 <Razor-X> What do you mean? It's perfectly intuitive.
01:17:21 <Eidolos> You and I both know it's not. Now stop it, you're embarrassing yourself!
01:17:24 <Razor-X> But yeah, those are the only two binary operators INTERCAL has.
01:17:53 <nooga> intershmal
01:18:01 <ihope> !ihope_repeater What does this do?
01:18:02 <nooga> perl shmerl
01:18:17 <Razor-X> SADOL Aridhol.
01:18:27 <nooga> ;D
01:18:33 <Razor-X> :).
01:18:44 <nooga> Razor-X: throw intercal away, create ur own lang
01:18:54 <Razor-X> I like INTERCAL!
01:19:00 <Razor-X> I have an idea for one though.
01:19:24 <Razor-X> I won't give away the basis! Because then ihope will steal the love out of it and add another language to his already large repertoire!
01:19:35 <ihope> Aww...
01:19:49 <Razor-X> So until I can build my BF machine in Verilog, it 'aint happenin'!
01:20:05 <Razor-X> (Note: I said the same thing about my Podcast client in Haskell.)
01:20:08 <Eidolos> I've been toying with making my own esolang.. you know how Perl has context? Well the esolang would be all about context.. and it'd just be called "the language" (you'd have to know by context that it's this particular language)
01:20:24 <Razor-X> Go at it ihope!
01:20:34 <ihope> ...At what?
01:20:40 <Razor-X> Make the language!
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01:20:45 <ihope> Eidolos: it would be what?
01:20:48 <ihope> Razor-X: what language?
01:20:53 <Razor-X> Eidolos's language.
01:20:59 <ihope> Oh.
01:21:41 <ihope> So we'd have no global variables and no global constants?
01:21:43 <Razor-X> Eidolos: Will ye post it on Slashdot now?
01:21:48 <Eidolos> Razor-X: Already have.
01:21:50 <nooga> hills have eyes
01:21:53 <nooga> ;]
01:21:57 <Razor-X> Eidolos: Cool-z.
01:21:57 <nooga> who watched?
01:22:11 <Eidolos> ihope: I dunno, I haven't thought much about it except what I just shared. :)
01:22:18 <ihope> Oh.
01:22:52 <ihope> Okay, nothing global. No global variables (whether or not they're variable), no global constructs...
01:23:22 <ihope> [\], basically? :-P
01:23:49 <Eidolos> What's [\]?
01:24:36 <Razor-X> It looks like a BF variant.
01:24:39 <ihope> Nope.
01:24:43 * Razor-X gasps.
01:25:05 <ihope> [ adds syntax, \ escapes something, and ] removes syntax.
01:25:11 <nooga> ?
01:25:12 <Eidolos> Oh.
01:25:46 <ihope> The most "unsafe" language ever: syntax checking must be done at runtime :-)
01:26:17 <nooga> heh
01:26:21 <nooga> unsafe
01:26:39 <nooga> the thing that makes me rotfl is 'unsafe' keyword in C#
01:26:52 <nooga> it's for sissies
01:26:57 <ihope> What's it do?
01:27:35 <nooga> switches to 'unmanaged' mode - where you can use almost normal pointers
01:27:55 <nooga> whole C and C++ must be hella unsafe ;d
01:28:14 <nooga> C must be hazardous then
01:29:40 <Razor-X> C# unsafe means they take you out of a carseat and into a booster seat.
01:29:55 <Razor-X> C is like getting kidnapped by a pedophile.
01:30:00 <nooga> ;d;d
01:30:55 <Eidolos> O_o
01:31:37 <Razor-X> Yeah, maybe I'm not that innocent after all.... *makes girly eyes*.....
01:32:15 <nooga> so, you code C?
01:32:33 <nooga> having hope that....
01:32:40 <Razor-X> Yes.
01:32:46 <nooga> ...pedophile won't get you ;f
01:32:47 <Razor-X> I don't *like* coding C, but....
01:34:05 <nooga> ...the pedophile
01:34:13 <nooga> ...
01:34:41 <Razor-X> Uh.... I'm sorry for using that mental image....
01:34:42 <nooga> well
01:35:02 <nooga> i'm having third glass of vine this night
01:35:19 <nooga> so excuse me if i say sth stupid ;p
01:36:07 <Razor-X> Heh.
01:36:19 <Razor-X> !glass You're stupid.
01:36:22 <EgoBot> OK
01:36:57 <Razor-X> How would you know if Glass gives you an error?
01:37:09 <Razor-X> !glass <1>(_b)=
01:37:12 <EgoBot> OK
01:37:15 <Razor-X> ......
01:37:19 <Razor-X> Yes, thank you....
01:37:20 <nooga> !glass is stupid
01:37:24 <EgoBot> OK
01:37:31 <nooga> look, he agreed
01:37:50 <Razor-X> I think GregorR needs to write in error messages.
01:38:13 <nooga> OK ;d
01:39:03 <Razor-X> Heh.
01:39:15 <Razor-X> !glass Tell your master you need error messages.
01:39:18 <EgoBot> OK
01:39:24 <Razor-X> Good boy.
01:39:40 <nooga> !sadol has good error reporting
01:39:53 <Razor-X> Are you sure?
01:39:54 <Razor-X> :P.
01:39:56 <nooga> yup
01:40:03 <Razor-X> EgoBot: Hello?
01:40:03 <nooga> that was correct program
01:40:06 <Razor-X> Oh.
01:40:20 <nooga> !sadol +1
01:40:22 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 2, row: 1, col: 3)
01:40:29 <Razor-X> ! grape
01:40:32 <EgoBot> Huh?
01:40:34 <Razor-X> !sadol grape
01:40:35 <nooga> !sadol +1$0
01:40:46 <Razor-X> Awesome.
01:41:20 <nooga> !sadol well
01:41:22 <nooga> heh
01:41:24 <nooga> well
01:41:36 <nooga> i'm trying to think about incorrect type case
01:42:22 <nooga> !sadol #30
01:42:24 <EgoBot> BDSM: Optimizing: Cannot extract element from integer with '#' on index: 0 - invalid type (index: 0, row: 1, col: 1)
01:42:30 <nooga> ha
01:42:59 <Razor-X> !sadol Enter
01:43:12 <Razor-X> Does it use every letter of the alphabet?
01:43:29 * Razor-X is too lazy to go to the Wiki.
01:43:38 <nooga> yes, ID's are one char
01:43:46 <nooga> capitals r global
01:43:49 <Razor-X> !sadol Enter the Glass.
01:43:52 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 16, row: 1, col: 17)
01:43:57 <Razor-X> !sadol Enter the Glass
01:44:04 <Razor-X> Woohoo.
01:44:05 <nooga> . is predefined function
01:44:15 <Razor-X> Ah.
01:44:26 <nooga> !sadol Enter the Glass. 0
01:44:32 <nooga> ;f
01:45:09 <nooga> !sadol ~H0!"1H~i0!"
01:45:11 <nooga> lol
01:45:12 <EgoBot> BDSM: Parsing: Unexpected end of file (index: 12, row: 1, col: 13)
01:45:13 <nooga> stop
01:45:21 <nooga> !sadol ~H0!"1H~i0!"1i Hi
01:45:24 <EgoBot> Hi
01:45:26 <nooga> ;f
01:45:37 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_g)O!"Hello, World!"(_g)o.?]}
01:45:40 <EgoBot> Hello, World!
01:45:43 <Razor-X> Wooh.
01:46:35 <nooga> read teh wiki plx
01:46:54 <nooga> http://esolangs.org/wiki/SADOL
01:47:07 <Razor-X> It's a huge definition :P.
01:47:14 <nooga> oh come on
01:47:27 <Razor-X> One can only learn so many languages at one time.
01:49:07 <Razor-X> Something tells me GregorR gave Lesson #x in secret.
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01:50:57 <oerjanj> !help
01:51:00 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
01:51:02 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
01:52:15 <Razor-X> Oh. Glass clicks now, I think.
01:53:08 <Razor-X> {M[m(_b)O!"My name is Paul"(_b)o?]}
01:53:13 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_b)O!"My name is Paul"(_b)o?]}
01:53:22 <Razor-X> ..........
01:53:49 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_b)O!"My name is Paul"(_b)o.?]}
01:53:52 <EgoBot> My name is Paul
01:53:56 <Razor-X> Awesome.
01:55:12 <Razor-X> {M[m(_(Blah))O!"This is not full of disfigured smilies"(_(Blah))o.?]}
01:55:20 <Razor-X> Uh-huh.
01:55:39 <Razor-X> So much for parentheses holding in more than one letter.
01:55:47 <oerjanj> huh?
01:55:52 <Razor-X> Wait...
01:55:56 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_(Blah))O!"This is not full of disfigured smilies"(_(Blah))o.?]}
01:55:58 <EgoBot> This is not full of disfigured smilies
01:56:02 <Razor-X> Awesome!!!
01:58:38 <nooga> o.O
01:58:48 <nooga> o.P < this one has broken eye
01:58:52 <Razor-X> Heh.
01:59:43 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_b)I!(_r)O!(_b)l.?(_r)o.?]}
01:59:47 <Razor-X> !ps
01:59:50 <EgoBot> 2 Razor-X: glass
01:59:52 <EgoBot> 4 Razor-X: ps
01:59:54 <Razor-X> !i 2 Blah
01:59:59 <oerjanj> !unlambda ``.S``.c.r.a```.m.b.l.`e.d
02:00:02 <EgoBot> crSmbla
02:00:11 <Razor-X> !ps
02:00:14 <EgoBot> 2 Razor-X: glass
02:00:16 <EgoBot> 4 Razor-X: ps
02:00:20 <Razor-X> !i 2 Blah\n
02:00:22 <EgoBot> BlahBlah
02:00:26 <Razor-X> Yay!
02:00:31 * Razor-X jumps up and down.
02:00:57 <Razor-X> Now, to make it look like defiling smilies....
02:01:44 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m_(>)I!(<)O!(>)l.?(<)o.?]}
02:01:50 <Razor-X> !i 2 Blah\n
02:01:59 <Razor-X> !ps
02:02:02 <EgoBot> 2 Razor-X: ps
02:02:20 <Razor-X> ....Alright then....
02:03:09 <Razor-X> Glass is pretty nifty.
02:03:18 <nooga> lisp hackers r odd
02:03:25 <Razor-X> Did j00 call me odd? :P.
02:04:10 * Razor-X decides to make a complex Glass program.
02:04:11 <nooga> no
02:04:18 <nooga> that guys from #lisp
02:04:21 <Razor-X> Oh, yeah.
02:04:21 <oerjanj> !unlambda `.\ni
02:04:24 <EgoBot> ./unlambda/unlambda: file ./tmp/egobot.CoEwgc: parse error
02:05:01 <oerjanj> hmm..
02:05:35 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_>)I!(_<)O!(_>)l.?(_<)o.?]}
02:05:38 <Razor-X> !ps
02:05:40 <EgoBot> 2 Razor-X: glass
02:05:42 <EgoBot> 4 Razor-X: ps
02:05:44 <Razor-X> !i 2 Blah\n
02:05:48 <EgoBot> Blah
02:05:51 <Razor-X> Yay!
02:06:00 <Razor-X> Defiled smilies For The Win!
02:08:55 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m_(_i)I!(_o)O!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?(_i)c.?(_i)c.?(_a)a.?(_o)o.?]}
02:09:03 <Razor-X> !i 2 5
02:09:06 <Razor-X> !i 2 7
02:09:08 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.5
02:09:14 <Razor-X> ......
02:09:19 <Razor-X> That's great.
02:09:39 <nooga> no
02:09:42 <nooga> leave glass
02:09:49 <nooga> sadol's better
02:09:51 <nooga> >:D
02:09:58 <Razor-X> Both look appealing to me.
02:10:10 <Razor-X> SADOL screams ``I'm too 1337 for you''.
02:10:18 <nooga> nah
02:10:35 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m_(_i)I!(_o)O!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?(_i)c.?(_i)c.?(_a)a.?(_o)on.?]}
02:10:41 <Razor-X> !i 2 5
02:10:45 <Razor-X> !i 2 7
02:10:46 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.
02:10:55 <Razor-X> Good job EgoBot.
02:10:58 * Razor-X makes thumbs up sign.
02:13:25 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m_(_i)I!(_o)O!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?(_i)c.?(_i)c.?(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]}
02:13:31 <Razor-X> !i 2 5
02:13:33 <Razor-X> !i 2 7
02:13:36 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.0
02:17:38 <oerjanj> !ps
02:17:40 <EgoBot> 2 oerjanj: ps
02:17:51 <nooga> uh uh
02:17:55 <nooga> i need to play hl2
02:18:35 <nooga> and watch new mimic engine applied to Alyx's face in action ;D
02:21:50 <Razor-X> I feel like playing Morrowind.
02:21:53 <Razor-X> After many years.
02:22:13 <Razor-X> Where's GregorR when you need him?
02:22:27 <nooga> hacking i guess
02:23:52 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_i)I!(_o)O!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?(_i)c.?(_i)c.?(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]}
02:23:59 <Razor-X> !i 2 5
02:24:02 <Razor-X> !i 2 7
02:24:04 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.0
02:24:31 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_o)O!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?<5><7>(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]}
02:24:34 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.12
02:24:42 <Razor-X> Ok. So you can't get input to add.
02:24:49 <Razor-X> Pfft. What a lame language.
02:24:53 <nooga> yes.
02:25:00 <oerjanj> hm?
02:27:09 <nooga> loool
02:27:30 <oerjanj> ah.
02:27:44 <oerjanj> you need to use S.sn, I think.
02:28:03 <nooga> my friend is a trainee in Micro$oft
02:28:25 <nooga> he says that yesterday he saw one person in 'Google' t-shitr at the gym
02:28:53 <nooga> and he didn't beat this person only because she was a woman
02:29:18 <nooga> what a....
02:30:00 <Razor-X> ......
02:30:09 <Razor-X> Thanks for the knowledge that you'd beat my face out.
02:30:14 <oerjanj> !glass {M[m(_i)I!(_o)O!(_a)A!(_s)S!"Please input two numbers to add."(_o)o.?(_i)c.?(_s)(sn).?(_i)c.?(_s)(sn).?(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?]}
02:30:38 <Razor-X> !i 2 5
02:30:40 <Razor-X> !i 2 6
02:30:42 <EgoBot> Please input two numbers to add.107
02:30:47 <Razor-X> .......................................................
02:30:58 <Razor-X> 5 + 6 = 107.
02:31:03 <Razor-X> I must congratulate GregorR.
02:31:14 <nooga> Razor-X: why me?
02:31:17 <oerjanj> it's correct if you consider conversion from ascii
02:31:24 <Razor-X> nooga: Oh. Your friend there.
02:31:34 <nooga> i hate M$ personally
02:31:34 <Razor-X> oerjanj: Oh, it adds the ASCII numbers? How... helpful....
02:32:21 <oerjanj> well, S.sn converts using ascii
02:32:56 <Razor-X> I think he needs a new input built-in function.
02:34:20 <oerjanj> i'm sure it's not too hard to write a class method for reading numbers
02:34:31 <Razor-X> Yup.
02:34:53 <Razor-X> Eww, it's written in C++.
02:35:26 <oerjanj> well, i meant to write it in glass, of course...
02:39:17 <Razor-X> Whoopsy there....
02:39:24 <Razor-X> I was about to use scanf in C++ code :P.
02:40:20 <nooga> ;d;d;d
02:40:26 <nooga> tsst tsst tssst
02:40:37 <Razor-X> Ah what the hell.
02:42:06 <ihope> ;d?
02:43:31 <oerjanj> well, bye again
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02:45:41 <nooga> hey
02:45:47 <nooga> who's from US?
02:46:07 <Razor-X> Hmmmm. I haven't looked at all the code, so I have no idea if this will work.
02:46:09 <Razor-X> Oh well.
02:47:51 <ihope> Me.
02:48:18 <nooga> hm
02:48:20 <nooga> so
02:48:36 <nooga> laptops in Poland r hella expensive
02:48:51 <nooga> 2x more expensive than in US
02:49:05 <nooga> 1PLN = 3
02:49:08 <nooga> $3
02:49:28 <nooga> i mean
02:49:30 <nooga> no
02:49:32 <nooga> fuck
02:49:38 <nooga> 3PLN = $1 ;d
02:49:55 <nooga> what are prices or hardware in US?
02:50:31 <nooga> take a laptop with 1.7 - 2.0 GHz Intel, 512MB RAM and good graphics
02:50:44 <nooga> something about $1000?
02:51:18 <nooga> hm?
02:51:34 <nooga> heh (i'm slightly drunken) ;/
02:55:50 <nooga> i was considering buying a laptop in US
02:56:47 <GregorR> Rarf
02:57:24 <nooga> Scarf
02:57:46 <nooga> is it a good idea?
03:12:39 <ihope> Wikipedia is a better dictionary than many other dictionaries. This is quite amazing, seeing as how it is not a dictionary.
03:12:41 <ihope> :-P
03:13:18 <nooga> ;p
03:13:21 <nooga> yeah
03:13:22 <nooga> whatever
03:13:30 <nooga> forget about my laptop
03:16:50 <GregorR> How 'bout wiktionary?
03:17:32 <GregorR> nooga: I'd say just a laptop mobo+CPU at 1.7-2.0 GHz would be upwards of $1500
03:17:49 <GregorR> You're not going to get a laptop like that for less than $3.5 or $4 thousand.
03:17:50 <nooga> no way
03:18:03 <ihope> Nah, Wiktionary doesn't have the word "galoot" in it.
03:20:15 <nooga> a friend of mine bought one with 1.8GHz proc. 1GB RAM, and 128MB graphics card for something about $1000
03:20:44 <GregorR> Dood, that was black-market.
03:20:47 <Razor-X> To sort out the bugs! :3
03:20:50 <GregorR> Stolen.
03:20:53 <nooga> no way
03:21:04 <GregorR> You couldn't possibly get a 1.8GHz for less than $3k
03:21:26 <nooga> they cost something about 3kPLN here
03:21:36 <GregorR> Well then they cost much less there.
03:21:47 <GregorR> OK, so I'm blatantly lying :P
03:22:24 <nooga> he says it's HP bought in Circuit City in Redmond
03:23:01 <GregorR> Yeah, that's probably a reasonable price.
03:23:39 * nooga is confused
03:24:13 <GregorR> <-- was lying about the price :-P
03:24:27 <nooga> %|
03:25:30 <nooga> duh
03:25:38 <nooga> GregorR: !
03:27:35 <nooga> ghh
03:28:05 <nooga> so, you'll buy me a lap, send it to me and then i'll send you money :D
03:28:27 <GregorR> How about you send me triple the money, then I buy me two laptops.
03:29:24 <nooga> i'll consider that
03:37:26 * GregorR needs to write another esolang.
03:37:35 * GregorR has no premise, however :P
03:38:15 <ihope> Runtime syntax stuff.
03:38:49 <ihope> Make sure you can add all the syntax you want, and then remove all the syntax you don't want.
03:39:05 <GregorR> Actually, I'm going to make a QBF-deriv.
03:39:12 <ihope> Oh.
03:41:30 <nooga> ;d;d;
03:42:38 <GregorR> Can't think of a name X-P
03:45:31 <nooga> i can
03:46:00 <nooga> N/SqM
03:46:19 <nooga> Newton by Square Metre => Pascal ;d
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03:52:48 <nooga> kay
04:01:52 <Razor-X> GregorR: Glass sucks.
04:02:03 <Razor-X> Or at least, it sucked.
04:02:07 <Razor-X> Now, it does not suck.
04:02:18 <GregorR> ?
04:02:33 <GregorR> lament, ihope: Would you consider it legit to have a 'entangle' command?
04:02:38 <Razor-X> I.n now takes input and stores it as a number using a very dangerous scanf command.
04:02:57 <GregorR> Scanf is only dangerous for %s
04:03:02 <Razor-X> So?
04:03:11 <GregorR> So I'm not using %s.
04:03:12 <Razor-X> It's still very dangerous *whooo* *whoo*.
04:03:19 <GregorR> No ... no it isn't ...
04:03:25 <Razor-X> Alright, that aside.
04:03:34 <GregorR> lament, ihope: Can you entangle two qubits as is in QBF?
04:03:37 <Razor-X> I wanted to do my classic ask-user-for-two-numbers-to-add program.
04:03:53 <Razor-X> And since Glass already has so many useful builtins, I thought this would be a nifty one.
04:05:05 <Razor-X> {M[m(_o)O!(_i)I!(_a)A!"Please input two numbers to add\n"(_o)o.?(_i)n.?(_i)n.?(_a)a.?(_o)(on).?"\n"(_o)(o).?]}
04:05:14 <Razor-X> That's how it looks now!
04:05:40 <Razor-X> Note the creative instance naming scheme.
04:06:31 <Razor-X> Is it going against the spirit of Glass?
04:07:01 <GregorR> No, that's perfect.
04:07:08 <GregorR> Why would you think it's going against the spirit of Glass?
04:07:22 <Razor-X> Because if Glass was a Turing tarpit, you might want to make it difficult.
04:07:30 <GregorR> Heheh
04:07:31 <Razor-X> But I didn't think it was because it already has nice builtins.
04:07:38 <GregorR> It's not really a turing tarpit, it's more of an experiment.
04:07:44 <GregorR> An experiment that went way too right :P
04:07:53 <Razor-X> Yeah. I like it a lot.
04:08:23 <Razor-X> I think it's a good educational tool for the OO uninitiated (or the raving angry C programmers at being brought into this century).
04:09:02 <GregorR> Well, if it was less rough I'd agree ...
04:09:12 <Razor-X> Well, you can name things with parentheses.
04:09:33 <GregorR> Yeah, I guess a really savvy Glass programmer could make some very non-esoteric things in it :)
04:09:48 <Razor-X> I want to make a text adventure! *Blows trumpet in the background*.
04:10:01 <GregorR> Feel free, make sure to make it a !daemon too :P
04:10:08 <Razor-X> Hehehe.
04:10:15 <GregorR> lament, ihope: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Expandable_Quantum_Brainfuck
04:10:27 <Razor-X> ``Do you want beer (y or n)?'' `y' ``You die. The end''.
04:10:32 <GregorR> lol
04:11:30 <Razor-X> Now, how to use this ``patch'' thingamajigger....
04:12:00 <GregorR> What are you trying to patch?
04:12:30 <Razor-X> While I just added in 7 lines... I thought you may want the patch I made :P.
04:12:45 <GregorR> If you want to make a patch, you're not using the right program ;)
04:12:56 <GregorR> diff -ruN glass-orig/ glass-new/ > glass.diff
04:12:57 <Razor-X> Ne?
04:13:06 <Razor-X> (I've only programmed for myself, hehe.)
04:13:08 <GregorR> diff makes patches that patch installs.
04:13:12 <Razor-X> Aha.
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04:14:54 <Razor-X> Wow. Glass is old.
04:14:58 <Razor-X> (I didn't realize that.)
04:15:16 <GregorR> It's not that old, just a bit over a year.
04:15:56 <Razor-X> I thought it was like something you made a few weeks ago.
04:16:10 <GregorR> Heh
04:16:26 <Razor-X> http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/builtins.diff
04:16:41 <Razor-X> Just a diff I took of the two builtins.cc files.
04:17:55 * GregorR tries to remember whether he's written an atoi ...
04:18:06 <GregorR> If I've already written one, may as well use that instead of adding a new builtin :P
04:18:13 <Razor-X> Pfft.
04:18:23 <GregorR> lol
04:18:39 <Razor-X> S.n converts the character to its ASCII value.
04:18:51 <Razor-X> (If that's what you're thinking of.)
04:19:57 <GregorR> No, I was thinking something that you could take an input'd string and turn it into a number (not the ASCII value, the logical/"human" value)
04:20:10 <Razor-X> I wish I knew about that builtin, heh.
04:20:29 <Razor-X> You possibly could with a whole bunch of extra Glass code, but eh.
04:21:28 * GregorR is trying to find a gate that causes entanglement >_O
04:21:32 <GregorR> I don't just want to invent one ...
04:21:55 <Razor-X> Does EgoBot have the new I.n now?
04:22:24 <GregorR> No, doing too many things to patch it right now.
04:22:31 <Razor-X> >_>.
04:25:20 <lament> GregorR: it's too complicated!
04:25:50 <Razor-X> AKA Doublethink.
04:26:22 <GregorR> lament: >_<
04:26:32 <lament> (your language)
04:26:35 <GregorR> I know.
04:26:44 <GregorR> As in, I know you were referring to my language.
04:26:44 <Razor-X> Oh.
04:26:48 <GregorR> I don't agree that it's too complicated.
04:28:03 <GregorR> I guess any controlled gate where the state of the control qubit isn't 1/0 would cause entanglement.
04:29:12 <Razor-X> Why don't you make a full blown-out quantum language?
04:29:15 <lament> GregorR: dividing the qubits into "control" and "non-control" is artificial and silly.
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04:29:48 <GregorR> ... the two pointers are on the same tape.
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04:30:31 <GregorR> It's just like in QBF, except that it doesn't always use "the qubit to the right"
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04:38:09 <GregorR> According to wikipedia, -(@,0.927295218001612)+(!,0,0,1,0,0,0,1,0) gives you an instant universal quantum machine.
04:38:24 <GregorR> (That is, all quantum gates can somehow be reduced to those two ... don't ask me how.
04:39:10 <GregorR> lament stopped talking >_>
04:43:35 <Razor-X> Heh.
04:51:13 <Razor-X> How does GlassBot work?
04:53:41 <Razor-X> Nevermind.
04:55:51 <Razor-X> Does it take input? (Must go out now).
04:59:35 <GregorR> GlassBot probably doesn't work, I'm not sure if I finished it (it was preempted by EgoBot)
05:00:10 <Razor-X> Psh :(.
05:00:15 <Razor-X> Now I must really go
05:00:16 <Razor-X> .
05:00:23 <GregorR> EgoBot is also OSS :P
05:03:13 <GregorR> ihope: Pin?
05:03:14 <GregorR> Erm
05:03:18 <GregorR> ihope: Ping?
05:46:43 <Eidolos> 2006-07-28 00:10:18 2006 Esolang Competition (Developers,Programming) (pending)
05:46:47 * Eidolos twiddles his thumbs impatiently.
05:48:38 <Razor-X> Heh.
05:49:03 <Razor-X> How long does ``pending'' take?
05:50:31 <Eidolos> No idea, this is my first submission.
05:51:12 <Razor-X> Imaginary... number... math *twitch twitch*....
05:51:20 <Razor-X> I liked normal QBF better :P.
05:52:15 <Razor-X> EQBF is t3h same thing, obviously, and more.
05:54:18 <GregorR> EQBF is extended to be "quantum-complete"
05:54:32 <GregorR> That is, you can achieve any quantum state with EQBF, but not with QBF
05:54:50 <Razor-X> Are you sure you can't with QBF?
05:55:04 <GregorR> Quite
05:55:23 <Razor-X> Well then, I guess I have to do imaginary number math >_>.
05:57:39 <Razor-X> I think the Wiki page for Glass can become a *lot* simpler if you add in a BNF.
06:03:44 <Razor-X> How do you define arguments to a Glass function?
06:04:20 <Razor-X> Hmmm, hold on....
06:04:36 <GregorR> They're all on the stack.
06:04:44 <GregorR> They're only defined by convention.
06:04:47 <Razor-X> Ok, that's what I thought.
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06:06:06 <oerjanj> what do you mean simpler? I did a lot to try and make it readable
06:06:09 <Razor-X> Is there any way to flip positions in the stack?
06:06:18 <Razor-X> oerjanj: Huh?
06:06:47 <oerjanj> your suggestion about using BNF, read it in the log
06:07:42 <Razor-X> Wait... did you say anything after I said that suggestion?
06:08:22 <oerjanj> nope, i just entered
06:08:32 <Razor-X> Heh.
06:08:34 <Razor-X> I mean, I think it would be nice with a BNF, IMO.
06:08:54 <Razor-X> Easier to get a grasp for the language. I still wouldn't be able to understand it without the original log tutorial.
06:09:15 <lament> wow, somebody actually reads los
06:09:16 <lament> logs
06:09:24 <Razor-X> Yeah, I know.
06:10:11 <GregorR> Heh
06:10:53 <oerjanj> btw to flip stack positions, i think you have to save them in variables.
06:11:25 * oerjanj is a compulsive reader
06:11:44 <Razor-X> That's what I was thinking.
06:13:06 <lament> oerjanj: why not just stay here
06:13:06 <oerjanj> it's the only way to keep the top one while you pop the bottom one
06:13:24 <lament> oerjanj: it's not fun to insult someone's mom when they're away
06:13:28 <lament> even if they read the logs
06:14:57 <Razor-X> How do you use variables in Glass?
06:15:27 <oerjanj> with the = command
06:15:48 <oerjanj> and the ^ command to read
06:16:14 <Razor-X> I see.
06:16:32 <oerjanj> i mean *, not ^
06:34:12 <Razor-X> Good job misspelling ``taught'' on the Wiki page :P.
06:34:19 <Razor-X> Is there any way to show how the stack looks at the end of the program?
06:36:10 <oerjanj> i am sure you could write a pop and print loop...
06:36:26 <Razor-X> Yes, I could... :P.
06:36:30 <Razor-X> But I mean....
06:36:42 <Razor-X> Maybe it's time to make a Debug built-in.
06:37:48 <oerjanj> hm, there does not seem to be a way to detect an empty stack
06:38:00 <oerjanj> the D class is vacant...
06:54:15 <GregorR> There is a debug builtin.
06:54:18 <GregorR> It's called Debug.
06:54:21 <GregorR> But it doesn't do that :P
06:54:34 <Razor-X> Yeah, I saw the Debug builtin.
06:54:38 <Razor-X> Obviously undocumented though :P.
06:54:42 <GregorR> Yup 8-D
06:54:50 <GregorR> Debugging is only for people who read the Glass code :P
06:55:12 <Razor-X> Hehehe.
06:55:38 <Razor-X> {L[l(_p),=(_o)O!(_s)S!"!bf_txtgen "(_p)*(_s)a.?(_o)o.?]}{M[m(_l)L!(_o)O!"Glass"(_l)l.?(_o)o.?(_o)o.?]}
06:55:44 <Razor-X> !glass {L[l(_p),=(_o)O!(_s)S!"!bf_txtgen "(_p)*(_s)a.?(_o)o.?]}{M[m(_l)L!(_o)O!"Glass"(_l)l.?(_o)o.?(_o)o.?]}
06:55:47 <EgoBot> !bf_txtgen Glass
06:55:58 <Razor-X> Aw man. It doesen't interpret its own commands :(.
06:56:53 <GregorR> Anybody else have any input on EQBF?
06:56:56 <Razor-X> Did you merge my ``patch'' in?
06:58:22 <GregorR> Yup
06:58:25 <GregorR> Anybody else have any input on EQBF? :P
06:58:38 <Razor-X> It uses imaginary numbers!!! Evil!!!!
06:58:41 <Razor-X> There you go.
06:59:20 <GregorR> Well ... that's sort of part of the whole idea of quantum mechanics :P
06:59:39 <Razor-X> But it makes it harder :P.
07:00:56 <oerjanj> I have this feeling that input should use CNOT, as if it copied from an input tape
07:01:46 <oerjanj> reversibly
07:02:19 <oerjanj> and then output could be conceptually just CNOTing onto an output tape initially zeroed
07:02:34 <GregorR> The only noticeable difference would be that, if you had 0, your input wouldn't work, no?
07:02:44 <GregorR> Erm, wait ...
07:02:51 * GregorR needs to look at the CNOT matrix again :P
07:04:36 <oerjanj> it should be the same as xoring the input with the qubit you store in
07:04:45 <GregorR> Right, if you use the input as the control, and have a 0 as the qubit you're pointing at, and it CNOTs, then you'll get the input copied. However, if you have a 1, you'll always get a 0.
07:04:51 <GregorR> *zleep*
07:05:01 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_o)O!(_i)I(_A)a"Please enter two numbers to add"(_o)o.?(_i)n.?(_i)n.?(_a)a.?(_o).?]}
07:05:03 <oerjanj> hm?
07:05:03 <EgoBot> Please enter two numbers to add
07:05:16 <Razor-X> !input 2 4
07:05:19 <Razor-X> !input 2 6
07:05:19 <EgoBot> Huh?
07:05:21 <EgoBot> Huh?
07:05:28 <Razor-X> !i 2 4
07:05:32 <Razor-X> !i 2 6
07:05:39 <Razor-X> !i \n
07:05:42 <Razor-X> !i 8\n
07:05:46 <Razor-X> !i 2 \n
07:05:50 <Razor-X> !i 2 8\n
07:05:58 <Razor-X> ................ Alrighty now :D.
07:06:05 <Razor-X> !ps
07:06:07 <EgoBot> 2 Razor-X: ps
07:07:05 <oerjanj> i would have imagined that if you had a 1, you would get the inverse of the input
07:09:07 <oerjanj> one advantage of this is that you don't need to assume inputs are classical bits
07:09:25 <GregorR> Ah, that's a good point.
07:09:29 <GregorR> You could input qubits.
07:09:42 <GregorR> And their state would be copied.
07:10:21 <oerjanj> i think that observation could conceptually be thought of as output to a "control" tape
07:11:15 <GregorR> OK, I finally looked at the CNOT right.
07:11:39 <GregorR> If you use the input as a control, and you have a 0, input will be copied. Otherwise, the inverse of input will be copied.
07:12:47 <oerjanj> (using CNOT as well)
07:13:23 <GregorR> Right.
07:13:40 <GregorR> And for output, if you use your bit as a control and assume that the output tape is 0, your qubit will be copied.
07:14:02 <GregorR> Therefore, if output is observed, your qubit will be stuck.
07:15:07 <oerjanj> or it might not be observed but instead piped to another program
07:15:27 <GregorR> In which case, your qubit would still not be stuck.
07:15:41 <GregorR> But indeed, you would have entangled qubits between two programs >: )
07:20:18 <GregorR> Committed I/O changes to the wiki
07:20:22 <GregorR> Now real zleep.
07:25:04 <oerjanj> bye all
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07:50:59 <Razor-X> Do you mind if I add binary functions to Glass at some later time indefinite?
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14:32:00 <GregorR> !raw EgoBot QUIT
14:32:02 <GregorR> Erm
14:32:04 <GregorR> Wow, g'job me.
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14:35:42 <GregorR> I switched to a different pseudoterminal and now my mouse doesn't work ...
14:38:42 <nooga> ;p
14:39:23 <nooga> how r u GregorR?
14:48:57 <nooga> it szit
14:50:17 <nooga> http://video.google.pl/videoplay?docid=-3291785230023779795&q=firefox
15:59:47 <nooga> .
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16:08:10 <GregorR-W> Anybody else looked at EQBF? :P
16:09:15 <nooga> hm?
16:09:56 <GregorR-W> nooga: http://www.esolangs.org/wiki/Expandable_Quantum_Brainfuck
16:12:35 <nooga> well
16:12:46 <nooga> too much werid words
16:12:59 <GregorR-W> ...?
16:13:32 <nooga> I don't think I understandt
16:14:10 <GregorR-W> Ah :P
16:17:31 <nooga> giv me a minute
16:18:16 <Eidolos> 2006-07-28 00:10:18 2006 Esolang Competition (Developers,Programming) (rejected)
16:18:17 <Eidolos> L*
16:18:20 <Razor-X> Bleh.
16:18:21 <Eidolos> I mean :(
16:18:31 <GregorR-W> WOW
16:18:33 <GregorR-W> SHOCKING
16:18:37 <nooga> ?
16:18:38 <GregorR-W> I WOULD NEVER HAVE EXPECTED THAT.
16:18:46 <nooga> what's that>
16:18:46 <nooga> ?
16:18:51 <Razor-X> It all seems equally useless to me on Slashdot.
16:18:52 <Eidolos> nooga: /. story
16:19:05 <Razor-X> Like that magic fuel that supposedly broke the quantum laws, wooo.....
16:19:19 <Razor-X> I want my magic fuel, the article promised me it in a year, one year ago :(.
16:19:56 <nooga> heh /. sux then
16:20:05 <Razor-X> Of course it does :P.
16:20:21 <Razor-X> 80% of the articles are untrue or farfetched speculation.
16:20:22 <nooga> go to #lisp and say thet you're using vim ;d
16:20:30 <GregorR-W> WOAH, WAIT?!??!?
16:20:33 <GregorR-W> SLASHDOT SUCKS?!?!?!?!
16:20:37 <nooga> yes
16:20:42 <Razor-X> THAT'S LIKE INSULTING GOOGLE!!!!!
16:20:45 <GregorR-W> OMG HOW DID YOU EVER FIND THAT OUT?!?!?!
16:20:46 <Razor-X> OR FIREFOX!!!!
16:21:01 <nooga> idk
16:21:03 <GregorR-W> Me, three years ago: "OK, I'm done with Slashdot, Slashdot sucks"
16:21:06 <nooga> i don't even visit /.
16:21:13 <Razor-X> That was me one year ago :P.
16:21:18 <Razor-X> After a few months of Slashdot.
16:21:24 <Razor-X> Hold on. I must flush me logs.
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16:21:32 <nooga> aaaaaaaa
16:21:33 <GregorR-W> Me, yesterday: 06.07.27:16:45:19 <GregorR-W> I give it a 10% chance of getting in.
16:21:33 <nooga> emacs
16:21:36 <nooga> aaaaaa
16:21:39 <nooga> emacs
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16:21:41 <nooga> aaaaaaaaaa
16:21:42 <nooga> emacs
16:21:46 <GregorR-W> 06.07.27:16:55:18 <GregorR-W> I'm going to drop it to an 8% chance.
16:21:49 <Razor-X> Emacs ownz j00!
16:21:53 <nooga> aaaaaaaa
16:21:55 <GregorR-W> I should've dropped it to a 0% chance.
16:21:55 <nooga> emacs
16:22:25 <GregorR-W> You know, if they'd just be honest and call it LispOS instead of EMACS, I wouldn't hate it so much.
16:22:25 <nooga> Razor-X: did u play that cool adventure game from emacs?
16:22:32 <nooga> ;d
16:22:39 <nooga> LispOS
16:22:42 <nooga> nice
16:22:44 <GregorR-W> They keep pretending like it's a text editor.
16:22:48 <nooga> hehe
16:22:55 <GregorR-W> When it isn't, it's an operating system.
16:23:02 <GregorR-W> That just so happens to run on top of other operating systems.
16:23:03 <Razor-X> Then Firefox must be another operating system :P.
16:23:12 <GregorR-W> Razor-X: A few more extensions, and yeah :P
16:23:22 <GregorR-W> I'm running ChatZilla on FFoxOS
16:23:30 <Razor-X> I'm running ERC on LispOS.
16:23:39 <Razor-X> So I guess we're even.
16:23:49 <nooga> i'm running mirc on WinXP Pro ;d
16:23:53 * Razor-X gasps.
16:23:58 <GregorR-W> O_O
16:24:00 <GregorR-W> WTF
16:24:02 <GregorR-W> Get out.
16:24:03 <GregorR-W> Just get out.
16:24:08 <Razor-X> :P.
16:24:11 <nooga> because i currently use my friend's HP laptop
16:24:21 <nooga> with windoze preinstalled
16:24:23 <Razor-X> I pity the soul that cannot use SSH.
16:24:42 <nooga> oh, good idea, i can get rid of that win and install linux
16:24:50 <nooga> bbl -> installing linux
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16:25:55 <GregorR-W> Muahahahah
16:26:07 -!- nooga has joined.
16:26:08 <GregorR-W> He's about to log in under the nick 'knoppix' :P
16:26:10 <nooga> heh
16:26:11 <GregorR-W> *snaps*
16:26:15 <GregorR-W> I was wrong.
16:26:22 <nooga> i use suse ;p
16:26:41 <GregorR-W> nooga: I wasn't talking about installing it on the hard disk.
16:27:18 <GregorR-W> $ cat /proc/version
16:27:20 <GregorR-W> Linux version 2.6.5-7.151-smp (geeko@buildhost) (gcc version 3.3.3 (SuSE Linux)) #1 SMP Fri Mar 18 11:31:21 UTC 2005
16:27:51 <nooga> shit
16:28:02 <nooga> i can't run WiFi
16:28:21 <nooga> :/
16:28:40 <nooga> but i can install cygwin ;>
16:28:49 <GregorR-W> $ cat /proc/version
16:28:50 <GregorR-W> Windows version NT6.3.2.4.5.3.8.23.4r3257412.574483.hello.world.321432153415478902543 (windozerulez@microsoft.com) (VS version .NET (Windows XP)) #1 SMP Fri Mar 18 11:31:21 UTC 2005
16:35:04 <pikhq> You're under. . . Windows? Poor guy.
16:35:18 <nooga> yup
16:35:43 <nooga> i'm making backups
16:35:49 <nooga> now
16:35:57 <nooga> and preparring to install suse 10.1
16:35:58 <GregorR-W> Dood, Windows rawx, wave of the fewtour
16:36:19 <nooga> a colleague of mine works on Vista ;d
16:36:26 <nooga> im M$ ;d
16:36:29 <nooga> in*
16:36:46 <GregorR-W> <nooga> im M$ ;d
16:36:50 <GregorR-W> That goes in the logs forever.
16:36:51 <nooga> nooo
16:37:15 <ihope_> Hmm... EQBF just doesn't seem BF enough.
16:37:40 <GregorR-W> ihope_: Can you think of a way to allow arbitrary gates without disallowing parameters?
16:37:41 <nooga> GregorR-W is Sco
16:37:46 <GregorR-W> Erm
16:37:48 <GregorR-W> Rather
16:37:53 <GregorR-W> ihope_: Can you think of a way to allow arbitrary gates while disallowing parameters?
16:38:01 <GregorR-W> nooga: Dood, I be Intel
16:38:10 <GregorR-W> ===GregorR-W <n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com> “Gregor Richards”
16:38:14 <GregorR-W> ^ Intel
16:38:26 <ihope_> GregorR-W: yes and no :-P
16:38:27 <nooga> and my host is a perl program
16:38:50 <nooga> 213-238-102-205.adsl.inetia.pl
16:38:52 <nooga> see?
16:38:53 <nooga> *.pl
16:38:56 <GregorR-W> lol
16:39:21 <GregorR-W> Probably doesn't even have -w on
16:46:27 <Razor-X> Perl?!?!?!
16:46:35 <Razor-X> No wonder SADOL looks like it does :P.
16:49:02 <fizzie> Perl. <3
16:50:14 <GregorR-W> <fizzie> Perl is balls
16:51:19 <fizzie> [2005-05-16 22:57:15] < fizzie> Perl is pretty.
16:51:42 <nooga> what?
16:53:25 <Razor-X> INTERCAL is cleaner than Perl.
16:54:09 <fizzie> [2005-05-04 23:16:35] < fizzie> They aren't very readable, though. One of my perl scripts say $rest =~ /^((?:(?:$ex_nt|$ex_t|$ex_e)(?:\s+|$|(?=\|)))*)\s*(?:\||$)\s*(.*)$/ and it's not immediately obvious what that does.
16:54:41 <pikhq> That's not beautiful.
16:54:47 <pikhq> Here is beauty:
16:54:49 <nooga> it IS
16:54:58 <nooga> perl rocks
16:55:05 <nooga> larry wall is my hero
16:55:07 <pikhq> There is such a thing as Beauty.
16:55:33 <fizzie> [2006-03-14 01:59:49] < fizzie> To fill the daily Perl quota - functional programming in Perl: perl -e 'print &{&{sub { my $f = shift; return &$f($f); }}(sub { my $f = shift; return sub { my $n = shift; return 1 if $n < 2; return &{&$f($f)}($n-1) + &{&$f($f)}($n-2); }; })}(8), "\n";'
16:55:34 <pikhq> A Beauty can be_ORK.
16:55:45 <pikhq> A Beauty can not_be_Perl.
16:55:56 <Razor-X> I sometimes wonder what facet of the devil allowed Larry Wall to be a linguist.
16:55:58 <pikhq> When a Beauty is to be_ORK:
16:56:10 <pikhq> There is a linguist called Gregor.
16:56:14 <nooga> i want to be a linguist
16:56:19 <pikhq> s/linguist/scribe/
16:56:36 <pikhq> Gregor is to write "ORK is beautiful."
16:56:38 <pikhq> .
16:56:43 <Razor-X> After seeing Perl, I wonder what Larry Wall has in mind as his perfect language....
16:56:49 <pikhq> When a Beauty is to not_be_Perl:
16:56:57 <pikhq> There is a scribe called Larry.
16:57:07 <pikhq> Larry is to write "Perl is fugly.".
16:57:14 <GregorR-W> lol
16:57:17 <pikhq> :)
16:57:18 <ihope_> Fugly?
16:57:25 <Razor-X> Fscking ugly.
16:57:26 <pikhq> Fucking + ugly = fugly.
16:57:56 <Razor-X> I'm a Ruby person meself.
16:58:07 <pikhq> I'm a Tcler when being serious.
16:58:08 <Razor-X> (Let the flames begin, Pythoners.)
16:58:31 <GregorR-W> Ruby == object oriented paradigm + worst aspects of Perl
16:58:34 <GregorR-W> <-- not a Pythoner.
16:58:36 <nooga> pythoners r indentation fascists ;p
16:58:48 <GregorR-W> <-- Hates every scripting language out today.
16:59:00 <GregorR-W> It's a sad state of affairs.
16:59:01 <Razor-X> Lua's the only one I really hate.
16:59:08 <nooga> Ruby > Perl+Python
16:59:23 <ihope_> Razor-X: then how do you write Enigma levels?
16:59:26 <Razor-X> Lua makes me puke, even though it's used as an extension language so darn often.
16:59:28 <pikhq> set Gregor [hatred "scripting languages"]
16:59:37 <nooga> lua is functional ;d
16:59:54 <Razor-X> Lua looks like some god-awful marriage between Ruby and PHP.
17:00:07 <GregorR-W> I need a convertor that takes a language very much like Python and converts it into Python (and vice versa). The only difference being brackets.
17:00:22 <GregorR-W> Or an 'end' keyword.
17:00:44 <Razor-X> You can use parentheses in Python.
17:00:58 <ihope_> Just use a Python thing that uses a preprocessor, and turn the preprocessor off :-)
17:01:04 <Razor-X> Like you can in Haskell.
17:01:17 <GregorR-W> Razor-X: Paste?
17:01:24 <GregorR-W> (bin)
17:01:30 * pikhq ain't happy until it's Tcl syntax or sexps.
17:01:35 <Razor-X> GregorR-W: Hmmm? Check Google >>>
17:01:44 <Razor-X> I've heard it's possible, although done rarely :P.
17:02:15 <GregorR-W> Parens defining /blocks/?
17:02:42 <nooga> Tcl sux
17:02:45 <ihope_> Like Haskell's do {this; that <- these; return those}?
17:02:46 <Razor-X> I'm not sure about the specifics, I'm just talking about wars I've seen between Pythoners and other-language-ers.
17:03:06 <Razor-X> I've never played with Tcl.
17:04:22 <pikhq> nooga: {[Tcl] != $sucks}
17:04:55 <Razor-X> Haskell indentation does get annoying, especially with let.
17:05:33 <GregorR-W> http://pastebin.ca/104026
17:05:58 <nooga> yes
17:06:11 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_>)O!"More disfigured smilies!!!"(_>)o.?]}
17:06:11 <nooga> sadol is the best
17:06:13 <EgoBot> More disfigured smilies!!!
17:06:19 <ihope_> GregorR-W: comments?
17:07:02 <GregorR-W> ... using comments as a replacement for an 'end' keyword is a bit of a silly convention, plus it's just a convention (that nobody follows), so it helps nothing.
17:07:38 <nooga> ;d
17:07:41 <nooga> idiotic
17:08:07 <ihope_> It may be silly, but it helps: http://pastebin.ca/104029
17:08:49 <nooga> it is silly
17:09:44 <GregorR-W> ihope_: Of course it helps, but NOBODY DOES IT
17:10:12 <ihope_> Make a new language that enforces it :-P
17:10:17 <GregorR-W> They made indentation part of the language, partially to enforce good style, but in the process they made a new convention that of course nobody follows, encouraging bad style >_<
17:10:18 <Razor-X> Heh.
17:10:30 <Razor-X> I wonder if someone will make a non-concise language here.
17:10:41 <GregorR-W> ...ORK isn't concise :P
17:10:57 <Razor-X> *OTHER* than COBOL's-Son.
17:11:04 <GregorR-W> lol
17:11:51 <Razor-X> !glass {M[m(_>)O!"I eat babies!"(_>)o.?]}
17:11:53 <EgoBot> I eat babies!
17:11:56 <nooga> yeah/1
17:11:57 <nooga> !
17:11:59 <EgoBot> Huh?
17:12:00 * Razor-X pats EgoBot.
17:12:48 <ihope_> !ps d
17:12:51 <EgoBot> 1 ihope_: ps
17:13:03 <GregorR-W> Razor-X: http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Mouth
17:13:06 <ihope_> Aww, ihope_repeater's gone.
17:13:13 <GregorR-W> Yeah, I killed the daemons :P
17:13:50 <Razor-X> We need more committee members for the contest :(.
17:14:01 <ihope_> You daemon-killer, you!
17:14:22 <ihope_> Razor-X: face it. Nobody wants to have any power. :-P
17:14:29 <Razor-X> Shhh :P.
17:14:35 <Razor-X> The defiler of daemons.
17:14:42 <Razor-X> BUM BUM BUMMMMM.
17:14:49 <GregorR-W> I think the silhouette baby should be on the council.
17:15:06 <Razor-X> Who is that?
17:15:15 <GregorR-W> The baby on donotputthebaby.com
17:16:27 <ihope_> No! Do not put the baby on the council!
17:16:36 <nooga> you're mad ;D
17:19:54 <nooga> heh
17:20:01 <nooga> can you imagine a tesseract?
17:20:05 <Razor-X> You Perl lover!!!
17:20:12 <nooga> o.O?
17:21:43 <ihope_> Tesseract?
17:21:57 <nooga> cube^2
17:22:02 <lament> heh
17:22:03 <ihope_> Connect the corners of two cubes together, and bang, a tesseract...
17:22:28 <lament> one of the lead PHP developers quit because he's antisemitic and the project was hosted by jews
17:23:07 <nooga> lolr
17:23:18 <Razor-X> .............
17:23:23 <Razor-X> Fun :P.
17:24:51 <nooga> good
17:24:56 <nooga> PHP soox
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17:29:29 <nooga> i've got deep blue in my basement
17:31:20 <pikhq> I highly doubt that.
17:31:31 <pikhq> Deep Blue is too big to fit. :p
17:31:45 <Razor-X> Let him have his deluded dreams, pikhq.
17:32:30 <pikhq> Razor-X: Well, it could fit if his basement were the basement to a rather large colocation facility. . . ;p
17:32:57 <Razor-X> I'll let you have your deluded dreams too then :P.
17:33:22 <pikhq> I don't have any.
17:33:41 <pikhq> Vista really /is/ a horrible OS. :p
17:34:13 <nooga> my basement is large
17:34:57 <nooga> it is an OS?
17:35:03 <GregorR-W> http://www.donotputthebaby.com/index.php?s=Savannah :)
17:35:11 <nooga> i thought it's an OS lookalike
17:36:27 <Razor-X> It's the result of Microsoft having s... I mean yeah! It's an OS!
17:36:43 <pikhq> Windows Vista = KDE + OS X + Xgl + Compiz + Cowpies.
17:36:58 <Razor-X> + Firefox memory leak without Firefox.
17:37:20 <pikhq> That's the cowpies portion.
17:37:42 <Razor-X> Ah.
17:37:46 <Razor-X> Good 'ol cowpies.
17:38:12 <nooga> ;p
17:40:41 * GregorR-W tries to decide whether to put DO NOT PUT THE BABY IN THE HAMBURGER on his cube.
17:42:06 <nooga> burp
17:42:33 <nooga> 9DLCPWS - 9 Days Long Coding Party Without Sleep
17:42:45 <nooga> (okay, i've cheated)
17:43:14 <pikhq> Jebus. . . After a full day, I can't think well enough to code.
17:43:44 <pikhq> I start doing stuff like if {0 == 1} {.
17:43:44 <nooga> we've got suspicious energy drinks
17:43:56 <nooga> and toasts with peanut butter
17:44:06 <GregorR-W> I, on the other hand, am incapable of any function besides coding, regardless of my state.
17:44:09 <nooga> and cheap food
17:44:24 <nooga> to prepare in a microweave
17:44:34 <nooga> and vine
17:44:44 <nooga> and beer and computers
17:44:55 <nooga> and sometimes some1 visits us
17:44:55 <pikhq> I do my debugging as I sleep. ;)
17:45:08 <Razor-X> GregorR-W is the coding machine.
17:45:20 <GregorR-W> And I won't work for nobody but C.
17:55:30 <nooga> ;>
17:56:17 <nooga> ha
17:56:22 <nooga> i've got enw concept
17:56:59 <nooga> a language where types are: nil, int, pair
17:57:04 <nooga> and
17:59:02 <nooga> and there witll be such syntax in assignments -> 4 =: x := (5 =: $ := 6) #=> x = (4 (5 6))
17:59:04 <nooga> uh/!
17:59:20 <GregorR-W> OK guys.
17:59:22 <GregorR-W> Listen to this:
17:59:28 <GregorR-W> I have a new concept for a language.
17:59:33 <GregorR-W> The only types are nil, int and pair.
17:59:44 <GregorR-W> And the syntax for assignment: 4 =: x := (5 =: $ := 6) #=> x = (4 (5 6))
17:59:47 <GregorR-W> Brilliant, right?
18:01:40 <nooga> ;d
18:01:54 <nooga> excuse me
18:02:03 <nooga> my brain is melted down
18:02:16 <GregorR-W> Because my (totally original and unique) idea was so awesome?
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18:13:26 <GregorR-W> Hmmmmmmmmm, just realized why I shouldn't put up a DO NOT PUT THE BABY poster on my cube.
18:13:43 <GregorR-W> The person in the cube across from me just got back from maternity leave :P
18:13:54 <GregorR-W> And the only people who find NO humor in DNPTB are new mothers.
18:15:47 <GregorR-W> ls
18:15:50 <GregorR-W> X_X
18:15:58 <GregorR-W> I am not thinking properly today.
18:16:00 <lament> . ..
18:16:07 <GregorR-W> cd ..
18:16:10 <GregorR-W> rm -rf lament
18:16:59 <lament> rm: cannot open directory 'lament': You fail it!
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18:46:07 <GregorR-W> Woman in the cubical next to me, in reference to her attempts at getting a Marine Biology degree:
18:46:14 <GregorR-W> "But I wanted to see whales gettin' it on, not do science!"
18:47:19 <lament> sweet, marine biology is nice
18:48:04 <GregorR-W> <--lament The joke-->
18:51:02 <Eidolos> Yeah, lament's been like that for as long as I have known him.
18:58:37 <lament> sense of humour has never been one of my strong points
18:59:43 <lament> 10:47 <GregorR-W> <--lament
18:59:51 <lament> that part, at least, is completely untrue
18:59:56 <GregorR-W> lol
19:00:23 <lament> other than in the sense of me stabbing you with a long pointy spear
19:00:42 <GregorR-W> With hooks going backwards so when you pull it out it really devastates my internal organs.
19:01:46 <pikhq> I prefer --<
19:01:56 <pikhq> It devastates as it goes in. :p
19:02:18 <GregorR-W> We like to call that a trident.
19:02:20 <GregorR-W> Rather than a spear.
19:02:24 <GregorR-W> Or a pitchfork.
19:02:25 <lament> pikhq: that's a fork
19:02:35 <pikhq> Or, alternately, it's a bitch to get out because there isn't a handle to the spear. :p
19:03:00 <GregorR-W> You just have to reach in and grab something, and pull at it.
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19:10:08 <lament> hi cmeme
19:10:11 <lament> how's life?
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20:16:36 <nooga> :|
20:19:09 <nooga> well well
20:19:11 <nooga> well
20:21:46 <lament> ...well?
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20:23:05 <nooga> well is the whing from which you can get water
20:23:09 <nooga> thing*
20:23:44 <ihope_> A well can provide_water.
20:24:22 <nooga> well
20:24:24 <nooga> ;d
20:26:59 <nooga> call me Gordon Freeman
20:34:25 <Razor-X> No.
20:34:37 <nooga> yes
20:34:40 <Razor-X> No.
20:34:44 <nooga> i am Gordon Freeman
20:38:46 <lament> your mom's gordon freeman
20:41:01 <nooga> leave my mom away!
20:41:11 <GregorR-W> It's so nice to be surrounded by intellectuals.
20:41:26 <nooga> GregorR-W: where are they?
20:41:41 <nooga> GregorR-W: i see only u and me
20:42:08 <Razor-X> And my Master of Miracles.
20:44:48 <lament> GregorR-W: your MOM is surrounded by intellectuals
20:45:03 <Razor-X> See. He keeps referring to the Master of Miracles.
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20:51:24 <nooga> who'll be Alyx Vance?
20:56:53 <Razor-X> No.
21:39:27 <nooga> but she's cute
21:47:02 <lament> YOUR MOM's cute
21:47:31 <ihope_> Resetting nicknames?
21:47:54 <nooga> lament: yes
21:49:31 <lament> bsmntbombdood: your nick is too long!
21:49:56 <bsmntbombdood> no it's not
21:50:08 <lament> yes it is!
21:50:11 <bsmntbombdood> no it's not
21:50:13 <lament> yes it is!
21:50:27 <ihope_> It's too long, but it's too late to change it!
21:50:42 <lament> it's never too late!
21:50:52 <lament> especially since he almost never talks!
21:51:25 <Razor-X> Stop talking about my Master Of Miracles lament :(.
21:52:09 <lament> i'm not even talking to you.
21:52:14 <lament> ever again
21:52:24 <bsmntbombdood> :(
21:53:10 <pikhq> !bf Whee. Is this valid Brainfuck code, Egobot?
21:53:19 <pikhq> !i 1 N
21:53:27 <pikhq> x_x
21:53:38 * pikhq is being an idiot today; sorry.
21:54:22 <nooga> :>
21:54:25 <nooga> so do nooga
21:54:44 <pikhq> !bf +[.,+][While pikhq is an idiot, do "Be a fucking idiot.".]
21:55:16 <pikhq> !i 1 +[.,+][While pikhq is an idiot, do "Be a fucking idiot.".]
21:55:26 <pikhq> !i 1 \n
21:55:50 <pikhq> !ps
21:55:53 <pikhq> I bork it.
21:55:54 <EgoBot> 1 pikhq: bf
21:55:56 <EgoBot> 2 pikhq: ps
21:56:01 <pikhq> !eof 1
21:56:05 <pikhq> !kill 1
21:56:08 <EgoBot> Process 1 killed.
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21:56:27 <pikhq> I *really* broke it.
21:56:49 <Eidolos> hehe
21:56:54 <nooga> ;d;d 'd
21:57:04 * pikhq is a realy idiot, I fear
21:58:23 <pikhq> !help daemon
21:58:26 <EgoBot> Use: daemon <daemon> <daemon-command> Function: start a daemon process.
21:58:39 <Razor-X> !kill 1
21:58:41 <Razor-X> !ps
21:58:42 <EgoBot> Process 1 killed.
21:58:44 <EgoBot> 1 Razor-X: ps
21:58:47 <Razor-X> See.
21:59:02 <pikhq> !daemon txtgen bf +++++[>+++++++++<-],[[>--.++>+<<-]>+.->[<.>-]<<,]
21:59:15 <GregorR-W> !txtgen wtf?
21:59:28 <pikhq> I think that should be a bit more efficient then bf_txtgen. :p
21:59:28 <GregorR-W> ...
21:59:31 <GregorR-W> !ps d
21:59:34 <EgoBot> 1 pikhq: daemon txtgen bf
21:59:36 <EgoBot> 2 GregorR-W: ps
21:59:44 <GregorR-W> Except that it's not doing anything :P
21:59:49 <pikhq> Shit.
22:00:00 <GregorR-W> !show 1
22:00:04 <EgoBot> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------
22:00:06 <GregorR-W> Ah.
22:00:09 <GregorR-W> Need an EOL.
22:00:13 <Razor-X> A lot more effecient.
22:00:18 <GregorR-W> lol
22:00:22 <pikhq> ;p
22:00:30 <Razor-X> Well, at least it's easier to human optimize.
22:00:51 <pikhq> !undaemon txtgen
22:00:54 <EgoBot> Process 1 killed.
22:01:12 <Razor-X> pikhq: Bonvolu vidus http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/ESP/literaturo.html .
22:01:46 <Razor-X> Estas tre bona paĝo pri literaturo en Espenanto ke vi povas paroli (havas Scienco-ficiono tiel ke mi estas feliĉa :P.)
22:01:55 <Razor-X> s/paroli/legi/
22:02:14 <Razor-X> Mmmkay then.
22:02:15 <pikhq> Mia Esperanto estas malbona. :'(
22:03:08 <Razor-X> Pri tiu vi devas uzi La Revo (La Reta Vortaro, uzu Google) kiam vi legos tiun libron.
22:03:48 <Razor-X> Estas tre bona metodo por lerni malfrue vortoj kaj legi multajn librojn pri interesajn temoj.
22:04:26 <Razor-X> Switching back to English (not because I can't continue), I've only been at it for a month or so, you know?
22:04:34 <Razor-X> But I guess Japanese, French, and Bengali help :P.
22:04:37 <lament> Esperanto is for doofii
22:04:43 <pikhq> And I haven't done more than a few hours.
22:04:49 <Razor-X> Ah.
22:04:55 <pikhq> Nihongo o kudasai!
22:05:01 <Razor-X> I read off-and-on, but most of my core words came fro the first week.
22:05:12 <pikhq> 2 years of Japanese for me. :)
22:05:14 <Razor-X> はい。言いました。
22:05:59 <Razor-X> 漫画と小さい子供の本を読まられますか。
22:06:40 <Razor-X> Can ye read that?
22:06:50 <nooga> esperanto?
22:06:55 <pikhq> No; my terminal doesn't do Unicode.
22:07:00 <Razor-X> Gah.
22:07:08 <Razor-X> I use Kanji for everything, because it's a lot more convenient.
22:07:20 <Razor-X> Hai, iimashita. Manga to Chiisaikodomo no hon wo
22:07:21 <nooga> isn't it that artificial lang. created by one Pole?
22:07:26 <Razor-X> *wo yomararemasuka.
22:07:33 <nooga> haha
22:07:36 <Razor-X> nooga: Not quite Polish then, but yeah.
22:08:16 <nooga> Polish is 180 degrees from Esperanto ;p
22:08:28 <Razor-X> It's a smattering of a bunch of languages.
22:08:58 <lament> esperanto is really ugly :(
22:09:20 <Razor-X> I find it sounds nicer on the tongue than most other languages.
22:09:23 -!- ihope_ has changed nick to ihope.
22:09:33 <lament> well, my favourite language is Portuguese
22:10:16 <Razor-X> With Japanese I can say:
22:10:25 <Razor-X> 美しい美少年 :D.
22:10:30 <Razor-X> How can you beat that?
22:10:53 <Razor-X> Heh.
22:11:00 <Razor-X> If you understand that, don't say it :P.
22:11:02 <pikhq> I prefer English, simply because I know it very well.
22:11:18 <lament> and my second favourite language is English
22:11:18 <Razor-X> English sounds like chickens being defiled by elephants.
22:11:22 <Razor-X> Sorry.
22:11:36 <lament> I disagree
22:11:39 <ihope> !txtgen +
22:11:43 <lament> chickens defiled by elephants sound completely different
22:11:48 <pikhq> Razor-X: It does. I *only* prefer it because I know it.
22:11:52 <Razor-X> Maybe. I've never actually heard it.
22:11:55 <Razor-X> pikhq: Heh.
22:12:01 <Razor-X> It's not my native tongue, so bleh.
22:12:08 <lament> It's not my native tongue either
22:12:13 <lament> i still like it though
22:12:14 <pikhq> ihope: The daemon isn't running.
22:12:21 <ihope> !ps d
22:12:24 <EgoBot> 1 ihope: daemon txtgen bf
22:12:24 <pikhq> Razor-X: It's my native tongue. . . What's yours, anyways?
22:12:26 <EgoBot> 2 ihope: ps
22:12:31 <pikhq> Nevermind.
22:12:32 <Razor-X> pikhq: Bengali.
22:12:35 <pikhq> !show 1
22:12:53 <ihope> !bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------------------++++++++++.----------+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.-------------------------------------------++++++++++.----------
22:12:56 <EgoBot> +
22:13:02 <ihope> ...What?
22:13:24 <Razor-X> Hahahaha.
22:13:32 <pikhq> It. . . . Works. How?!?
22:13:53 * lament has no opinion on the sound of Bengali
22:14:05 <lament> but i'm sure it's worse than Portuguese :)
22:14:15 <Razor-X> Bengali is a lot more sing-songy than Romantic/Germanic (Sanskrit has the same quality) languages.
22:14:55 <Razor-X> I like it, but it has some sounds than I'd be hard pressed to find Romantic/Germanic speakers who can make them :P.
22:15:22 <pikhq> Try me :p
22:15:30 <Razor-X> Heh.
22:15:36 <Razor-X> Check out the IPA pronunciations.
22:15:38 <lament> Razor-X: "romance"
22:15:50 <Razor-X> Fine.
22:16:02 <nooga> i like how Finnish sounds
22:16:10 <lament> finnish is sweet
22:16:18 <lament> i like vowel harmony
22:16:30 <Razor-X> I like Japanese too, but not specifically. Plus the conjugations used in official speech don't sound all that nice.
22:16:39 <lament> nothing like portuguese though ;)
22:16:43 <Razor-X> But it's the best basic conversational sounding language, IMO.
22:16:59 <lament> after Portuguese.
22:17:02 <nooga> portuguese sounds to me like Toklien's black speech
22:17:06 <Razor-X> After your MOM.
22:17:15 <Razor-X> Master Of Miracles, that is.
22:17:26 <lament> nooga: O_o
22:17:34 <lament> portuguese has soooooo many vowels
22:17:39 <lament> and sooooo few consonants
22:18:00 <Razor-X> You don't like German's awesome consonant sounds?
22:18:04 <lament> No
22:18:04 <Razor-X> :P.
22:18:06 <lament> not at all.
22:18:12 <Razor-X> Yeah, it sounds awful, IMO.
22:18:17 <Razor-X> Bengali has a lot of vowel sounds too.
22:18:31 <ihope> I need a language with two consonants and one vowel.
22:18:33 <lament> does it have nasals?
22:18:38 <Razor-X> Yeah.
22:18:40 <lament> ihope: "oaia aia eia ei"?
22:18:46 <lament> oh
22:18:48 <nooga> Czrzszcz
22:18:49 <lament> two consonants
22:18:55 <ihope> And one of the consonant has to be a stop consonant, and the other can't be.
22:19:06 <nooga> means a Bug in Polish
22:19:09 <lament> tra at ta tat a
22:19:15 <nooga> or uk
22:19:16 <lament> tratataatta!
22:19:23 <Razor-X> Why not make a language like that?
22:19:28 <Razor-X> And define grammar based on placement?
22:19:35 <ihope> "Ta tassasasts".
22:19:44 <Razor-X> Let's call it a Sapir-Whorf Snarepit!
22:19:59 <lament> if you want a small language, just use toki pona
22:20:09 <lament> (which sounds pretty nice imo)
22:20:13 <ihope> "Sa sat sat a sastats sat tat?"
22:20:14 <nooga> toki pona?
22:20:15 <Razor-X> Is it a Sapir-Whorf Snarepit?
22:20:25 <lament> Razor-X: it has ~120 words, so i would say so
22:20:29 <Razor-X> Awesome.
22:20:52 <lament> mi pilin e ni: toki pona li pona kute
22:20:59 <lament> ("i think toki pona sounds nice")
22:21:27 <nooga> lol
22:21:31 <ihope> What does "Toki Pona" mean?
22:21:39 <lament> "good language"
22:21:47 <nooga> 'good language'
22:21:48 <lament> toki - good (from "talk")
22:21:53 <lament> err
22:21:57 <lament> s/good/lanugage :)
22:22:04 <lament> pona - good (from "bona")
22:22:37 <lament> http://www.tokipona.org/
22:22:44 <nooga> hem
22:22:52 <nooga> i like nordic languages
22:22:55 <ihope> So Toki Pona is not an agglutinative language?
22:23:07 <lament> very much so.
22:23:39 <lament> it's close to chinese in that it never joins or modifies anything
22:23:39 <Razor-X> Hmmm.
22:23:47 <Razor-X> If it's so small, I can memorize that in about a day.
22:23:52 <lament> Razor-X: cool
22:23:58 <Razor-X> Since I can do about 100-120 words in a language in a few hours.
22:23:58 <lament> Razor-X: join #tokipona if you do
22:24:01 <Razor-X> Awesome.
22:24:19 <Razor-X> ŝajnas tre bona lingvo ke vi povas paroli.
22:24:23 <nooga> when i pronounce it
22:24:39 <nooga> it sounds a bit like Finnish
22:24:57 <lament> Razor-X: TP has several words taken from English, and several from Esperanto, so should be even easier
22:25:08 <lament> not sure about Japanese
22:25:16 <nooga> oko
22:25:19 <nooga> noka
22:25:21 <nooga> lol!
22:25:26 <nooga> oko means eye in TP?
22:25:28 <lament> yeah, those are slavic
22:25:36 <nooga> Polish
22:25:39 <lament> slavic
22:25:44 <nooga> noga -> noka -> leg
22:25:53 <lament> that doesn't make it polish :)
22:25:53 <nooga> oko -> oko -> eye
22:26:00 <nooga> sure
22:26:06 <nooga> but now it's easier to me
22:26:30 <nooga> soem familiar words
22:27:10 <nooga> hm
22:27:31 <nooga> tengwar for tokipona
22:27:39 <nooga> it would make sense
22:27:46 <lament> Razor-X: toki pona was created by a lesbian :)
22:28:05 <lament> well, he was a guy when he created it, but became a (lesbian) woman since...
22:28:12 <nooga> -.-'
22:28:28 <nooga> shi t
22:29:58 <GregorR-W> Um ... wtf?
22:29:58 <lament> "ma mama li lili" - "motherland is small"
22:30:10 <lament> "meli mi li moli" - "my woman is dead"
22:30:17 <nooga> lol
22:30:20 <nooga> it sucks
22:30:35 <lament> okay
22:30:35 <nooga> if you say it fast
22:30:49 <nooga> the difference is almost none ;p
22:31:01 <nooga> oh, i'm wrong
22:31:02 <nooga> sorry
22:31:07 <nooga> (vine)
22:33:00 <pikhq> A guy becoming a lesbian woman?!? WTF?!?
22:33:12 <lament> ah come on
22:33:16 <lament> you'd do it if you had the money
22:33:29 <nooga> +.+
22:33:31 <pikhq> No, I wouldn't.
22:33:46 <pikhq> nooga: Why x01?!?
22:33:59 <nooga> x01? ;p
22:35:19 <lament> pikhq: why wouldn't you? it's fun.
22:35:40 <nooga> okay
22:35:45 <pikhq> lament: Well, it would give me a chance with Razor-X. :p
22:35:48 <nooga> but only if i could back
22:35:59 <nooga> to the initial state :>
22:36:18 <lament> pikhq: exactly, what else do you need?
22:36:21 <nooga> if it wouldn't be so funny as i expected
22:37:43 <nooga> lament
22:37:50 <lament> si
22:37:54 <nooga> you're skilled painter
22:37:54 <lament> que
22:38:04 <nooga> http://toki.dm7.net/lesson/aei.jpg :D
22:38:05 <nooga> >:D
22:38:08 <lament> thanks
22:38:20 <nooga> and you're one of that fluent TP speakers ;p
22:39:01 <nooga> TP words sound quite childish
22:39:04 <nooga> but it's fun
22:39:12 <nooga> pipi - a ladybird
22:39:15 <pikhq> I should learn it.
22:39:37 <lament> pipi is any insect
22:39:46 <lament> with 120 words, you can't waste a word on 'ladybird'
22:40:01 <lament> pipi loje - red insect
22:40:09 <nooga> mani - like "money" but in way that child would write it
22:40:40 <lament> pikhq: join #tokipona
22:45:25 <lament> oh, tokipona does have words from japanese
22:45:40 <lament> moku - food
22:46:06 <nooga> haha
22:46:19 <lament> ...that's the only one
22:47:46 <nooga> mina
22:47:48 <nooga> sina
22:47:50 <nooga> ;p
22:48:08 <lament> mina is not a word.
22:48:24 <lament> sina is from finnish i believe?
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22:48:48 <nooga> sure
22:49:10 <nooga> and mina (a with dots) is also from finnish
22:49:19 <nooga> means "me"
22:49:47 <lament> but it's not in TP :)
22:49:58 <nooga> i eat = i am food LMAO :D
22:51:01 <lament> oh yeah, for some reason that doesn't ever bother anyone
22:52:49 <nooga> i thought about a language in which every verb would be a connection of noun with tense qualifier
22:53:29 <lament> toki pona is somewhat like that... but without the tense qualifier
22:54:17 <nooga> eg. me salla (i am leg, without qualifier), me a sallas ('i use legs in present' - i walk)
22:55:05 <nooga> me e sallas (future, 'i'll walk'), me o sallas (past, 'i walked')....
22:55:31 <lament> mi noka - i am a leg.
22:55:50 <nooga> but it would give many misunderstandings
22:55:53 <lament> mi tawa - i walk (go away)
22:56:08 <lament> tenpo kama la mi tawa - i will walk (go away)
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22:57:07 <nooga> ouch
22:58:54 <lament> the coolest feature of TP is the "la" construct.
22:58:56 <lament> read about it.
22:59:34 <nooga> i'm having problems with tenses in English :/
23:00:07 <nooga> especially those perfect ones
23:00:44 <pikhq> Don't worry about it; it's my native tongue and /I/ don't understand those.
23:00:46 <lament> i would have been having problems with them too, but i have studied them a lot
23:01:13 <lament> admittedly i have had difficulties at first
23:01:49 <nooga> well, my English came to me in very natural way, i don't like to learn it with book or in school ;|
23:02:20 <pikhq> Mine came via forced beating into my head, I fear (couldn't speak until I was 4 x_x)
23:02:55 * pikhq needs to turn on his brain, it seems.
23:03:00 <nooga> but you're native?
23:03:06 <pikhq> Yes.
23:03:42 <nooga> lucky bastard
23:03:44 <pikhq> Unless, that is, the tongue of the USA was German when I was growing up, and it just changed to English without me noticing. :p
23:03:50 <nooga> whole world speaks your language
23:04:09 <pikhq> Rather convenient.
23:04:44 <nooga> it might have been Polish instead of English! And then what?!
23:05:05 <pikhq> Then I'd be attacking you with a pole. :p
23:06:26 <nooga> If i were native English speaker i would get rather killed than attempt to learn correct Polish.
23:07:15 <nooga> it's fscking twisted if you look at it from a non-pole perspective
23:07:48 <lament> yes, slavic languages are not exactly easy.
23:08:10 <pikhq> That's common to all of the European languages, IMHO.
23:08:20 <lament> no.
23:08:28 <lament> slavic languages are much harder than romance languages.
23:08:31 <lament> they just have more stuff.
23:08:33 <pikhq> True.
23:09:21 <pikhq> English is probably the worst, because it's known for mugging other languages for new vocabulary. :p
23:11:15 <nooga> there is no genre in English
23:11:28 <lament> English is certainly very difficult.
23:12:44 <nooga> hmm
23:13:05 <nooga> lament: what language is your native?
23:13:18 <nooga> Russian?
23:15:38 <ihope> Hmm, perfect tenses...
23:15:49 <nooga> ?
23:16:26 <ihope> Who needs 'em? :-P
23:16:46 <nooga> dunno
23:17:13 <nooga> but it looks as if i were handicaped
23:17:29 <nooga> using only less complex tenses sucks
23:20:26 <nooga> hehehe, Polish is really tough: So what have you done? => Co wy zrobilicie? == Cocie zrobili? == Co wycie zrobili? == Co ecie zrobili?
23:21:17 <nooga> there r some niuances between those phrases, but generally they mean exactly the same - "What have you done?"
23:21:45 <lament> nooga: Russian
23:21:52 <nooga> and that's not rare
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23:22:36 <nooga> lament: i knew, your name is rather distinctive
23:25:34 * nooga pink floyd - any colour you like
23:25:57 <Razor-X> pikhq: You know TS people can swing either way on the spectrum.
23:26:17 <pikhq> Razor-X: TS?
23:26:22 <pikhq> Oh.
23:26:27 <Razor-X> Transsexual, mind the abbreviation.
23:26:28 * pikhq groks the acronym now
23:26:34 <pikhq> Gah.
23:26:47 <Razor-X> I think the majority of them do turn out non-straight after hormones and surgery and whatnot.
23:26:49 <pikhq> There is such a thing as a brain.
23:26:54 <Razor-X> :P.
23:26:56 <pikhq> A brain can not_work.
23:27:05 <Razor-X> ;).
23:27:08 <pikhq> When a brain is to not_work:
23:27:24 <pikhq> When the program starts:
23:27:39 <pikhq> There is a brain called brain_death.
23:27:48 <pikhq> brain_death is to not_work.
23:28:28 <nooga> ghhh
23:28:33 <nooga> i must go to sleep
23:28:39 * pikhq hugs ORK
23:28:45 <nooga> it's only 0:29
23:28:56 <GregorR-W> lol
23:29:04 <GregorR-W> pikhq: "brain death" didn't need the _
23:29:12 <pikhq> Damn it.
23:29:30 <nooga> but i need to wake up at 7:00 and catch a train ;p
23:33:40 <nooga> seks
23:34:55 <nooga> well, number 21 in Finnish is quite cool: kaksikymmentyksi
23:36:52 <nooga> kahk see kuum meh nta uk see
23:37:12 <nooga> anyway
23:43:21 <nooga> goodbye ;p
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23:50:55 <ihope> I saw the word
23:51:11 <ihope> "adage" and I thought it would be pronounced like "Udage" :-P
23:53:27 <ihope> I guess that would be "uh-da-gee" instead of "yer-da-gee".
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