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01:20:39 <CakeProphet> I'm trying to script up a telnet client... but I can't get a sendbuffer to work alongside the readbuffer.
01:21:34 <CakeProphet> I can read text... but so far my input isn't being sent.
01:22:52 <CakeProphet> It's really small... I could copy and paste it in dcc-chat to prevent flooding.
01:24:53 <Razor-X> But why do you need to buffer sends?
01:25:40 <Razor-X> In Haskell the problem I had with my IRC bot was that it was logistically impossible to move the pointer to the end of the read-buffer. I found a (somewhat memory expensive) workaround to that, but I never buffered writes.
01:26:01 <Razor-X> Are you going to queue the buffer on your own?
01:26:36 <Razor-X> I didn't queue, instead I multithreaded.
01:26:52 <Razor-X> I just forked the function. 'Twas easier that way.
01:28:11 <Razor-X> Uh.... where's the queue in that?
01:28:39 <CakeProphet> sendbuffer is the queue... the way I've got it coded it should work just like a queue.
01:28:59 <Razor-X> So later on you append the built-in function's input instead?
01:30:25 <Razor-X> I, personally, wouldn't think you need a queue.
01:30:54 <Razor-X> Since you are working in an imperative language, if you space the program flow out right, you can get what you need to be sent out first out first before the others.
01:31:00 <CakeProphet> But it won't let me type... no idea why though.
01:31:33 <Razor-X> Well, I'm not quite sure how python works, but you put the buffer-queue in an infinite loop I take it?
01:31:41 <Razor-X> Yeah. I think you'll need multi-threading.
01:31:53 <CakeProphet> The readbuffer is in the same infinite loop.
01:32:12 <Razor-X> I think you may want to seperate out read-mitigation and write-mitigation.
01:32:15 <CakeProphet> But that's the only way I could think to code it with it just maybe working.
01:32:46 <Razor-X> If you want to get fancy, you may want to refresh the read buffer slightly after the write-buffer in order to echo the contents of the current write-buffer into the read-buffer.
01:33:20 <Razor-X> Sorry if my English is a bit blocky. I was working in Japanese for the last 1 hour or so.
01:33:35 <CakeProphet> I think printing it out normally works fine
01:34:53 <Razor-X> Back to the land of 日本ごの本.
01:35:04 <CakeProphet> Well.. the buffer is there to make sure that all input is received.
01:35:29 <CakeProphet> Just in case I'm entering in a lot of crap at once...
01:35:34 <Razor-X> But won't all input be written *anyways* ?
01:35:52 <CakeProphet> I'm just doing what some other smart-sounding people told me.
01:36:05 <Razor-X> The only reason you queue is if you have seperate requests to the same buffer.
01:36:22 <Razor-X> (Let's leave quantum physics out of this.)
01:36:54 <Razor-X> But why do you want to use a fancy old buffer if you have only one request?
01:37:12 <Razor-X> Are you getting multiple sources of input at one time, or somethign?
01:38:06 <CakeProphet> But the specific application is going to have multiple people... an environment similar to this chatroom.
01:38:20 <CakeProphet> Multiple sources of input coming into the server and then being received by everybody.
01:38:48 <CakeProphet> As for sending... I'm only going to be sending one command at a time.
01:39:08 <CakeProphet> Unless I develop a parser that lets me enter in multiple commands at once by separating them with semicolons or something.
01:39:10 <Razor-X> What I would do is this: Have the read buffer take in the telnet requests, mitigate the requests *then* give the user the control of the write buffer. If the mitigation fails, you can always opt out of the program, and that way there's no need for a queue, since mitigation should be taken care of serially down the pipe, and then the write buffer's contents is sent.
01:39:55 <Razor-X> I guess if you're sending a lot of data you may want to queue for the keep-alives... hmmm....
01:39:58 <CakeProphet> Hmmm... wouldn't that require the readbuffer to wait on input before printing out new info?
01:40:25 <Razor-X> Depends how fancy you want to get, really.
01:41:05 <CakeProphet> The environments similar to a chatroom... I need to be able to read input constantly with or without input.
01:41:34 <Razor-X> Or fork, whatever you wanna call it.
01:41:50 <Razor-X> Frankly, ``telnet'' and ``nc'' work just fine for me ;).
01:41:52 * CakeProphet goes to read the documentation on Python's multi-threading module.
01:43:54 <CakeProphet> For the purposes of education... I could figure out how the hell you multi-thread without the help of a module.
01:50:56 <CakeProphet> Razor-X, Argh... Python's threading module requires that the thread be in the form of a fuuuunction.
01:52:51 <pikhq> !EgoBot brainfucks your corpse
01:52:53 * EgoBot brainfucks your corpse
01:53:27 <CakeProphet> I have me an IRC bot in Python... but it's not working since I rewrote it.
01:53:36 <CakeProphet> I attempted using functions... for practice... but it fucked it up...
01:53:50 <CakeProphet> so.... that reinforces my hatred of writting functions. :D
01:59:33 <pikhq> *Functions* are hard for you?!?
01:59:43 <pikhq> I don't think you've been coding for very long.
02:00:02 <CakeProphet> They're not hard.. I just don't like them.
02:00:17 <CakeProphet> They oddly take more time for me than just writing everything imperitively.
02:00:20 <pikhq> Learn some basic functional programming.
02:00:28 <pikhq> You will learn to love them.
02:00:39 <CakeProphet> I love using them... just not writing them :D
02:01:15 <CakeProphet> But... so far... all of Python's built-ins have suited my needs.
02:01:48 * pikhq is also a lazy programmer
02:01:57 <pikhq> I just admit that functions allow for higher levels of laziness.
02:03:26 <CakeProphet> Meh. I can't think of anything I've coded that repeats a specific pattern with different variables.
02:04:23 <CakeProphet> Well... I could shorten " ".join(var) to a word word function... but it's not -that- annoying to type over and over to convert lists into strings :D
02:06:54 * CakeProphet is beginning to conceptualize multi-threading.
02:07:18 <CakeProphet> I think I get it now... it'd be like two while loops within the bigger one that pass between each other based on certain conditions.
02:07:33 <CakeProphet> *light bulb* Ooooh... multi-threading sounds awesome to code.
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02:17:35 <pikhq> It's the only conditional you need!
02:18:19 * pikhq muchs prefers the almighty power of SBN
02:20:48 <CakeProphet> Harder than I thought it was going to be :D
02:22:48 <CakeProphet> I can't figure out how to prompt for input while at the same time reading incoming data.
02:28:56 <CakeProphet> Just got an idea.... a hypothetical language with the ability to do both static and dynamic checking.
02:29:31 <CakeProphet> All lines are statically checked except for anything preceeding a "dynamic" statement or something...
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02:31:20 <CakeProphet> Have everything strong typed unless specified otherwise...
02:31:45 <CakeProphet> So you could have the security of strong type unless you need weak type (for whatever reason)
02:33:43 <CakeProphet> But in most cases.... your code will work under strong typing unless you specifically -have- to have something that strong type is enforcing.
02:34:35 <CakeProphet> It wouldn't make any sense to conciously solidify a bit of code... for me it would make more sense to weakify a bit of code if the strong typing isn't allowing it.
02:34:55 <RodgerTheGreat> I just have trouble imagining how you'd actually manage strong typing breaking down into weak typing...
02:35:13 <RodgerTheGreat> isn't that what methods like thing.toString() are for?
02:36:19 <RodgerTheGreat> although, I'm pretty sure you can just concatenate integers right onto strings...
02:36:49 <CakeProphet> But you can easily just use the str() function
02:37:59 <CakeProphet> Would convert Number from an integer to a string.
02:38:20 <Razor-X> I've written an IRC bot in a functional language.
02:38:42 * RodgerTheGreat has written an IRC bot in Java, which he considers functional.
02:38:51 <Razor-X> Not too long. Some 500 lines of code with the semi-module system and all the modules together.
02:39:10 <CakeProphet> I mean for those applications were you actually want the invalid action to happen... not for the interpreter and/or compiler to simply fix the problem.
02:40:11 <RodgerTheGreat> Java isn't too bad at all- the compiler is pretty anal, but it helps force you to build robust code.
02:40:42 <Razor-X> It's ALRIGHT at best. Its garbage collector sucks, and the only reason Java was conceived (cross-platform computing) doesen't actually work.
02:40:43 * CakeProphet is getting a bit too comfortable with the readability and ease-of-use of Python... other languages are scaring him
02:40:54 <pikhq> I think I'd prefer coding for the Java VM itself.
02:41:42 * CakeProphet is a huge advocate of Python... because it was implemented with us lazy programmers in mind. :D
02:41:50 <Razor-X> If I knew Perl I'd contribute to Pugs.
02:42:38 <Razor-X> Sorry, I just crunched 104 Japanese words, so my head's in a bit of a mess. (I want to crunch another 93 before bed).
02:42:43 <pikhq> Bah. ASM is for the truly lazy programmers (that is, the programmers too lazy to make a compiler). ;p
02:42:57 <Razor-X> But Haskell says on its website it is a lazy programming language.
02:43:26 <Razor-X> CakeProphet: If you have high-level constructs, you may make a good C programmer or ASM programmer.
02:43:32 <Razor-X> I for one love my functions and types.
02:43:46 <Razor-X> Although I can code in ASM and HDL languages all the same.
02:44:08 <Razor-X> It's incredibly easy to type.....
02:44:18 <Razor-X> Easier than most languages I know. Easier than most higher-level languages.
02:44:32 <CakeProphet> Not as easy as Python. Yes that's right... I'm staying in my comfort zone... like any lazy person.
02:44:41 <Razor-X> Huh? It's easier than Python.
02:44:48 <pikhq> Tcl's easy on the fingers.
02:45:00 <Razor-X> Python and Haskell use indentation which gets annoying.
02:45:10 <pikhq> Don't even have to reach up to hit ( and ), since it's all about ", [], and {}.
02:45:12 <Razor-X> Braces and semicolons are convenient and unambiguous.
02:45:19 <CakeProphet> C has annoying curly brace blocks and all sorts of extra crap... Python is minimal in amount of typing and comes out easily.
02:46:06 <CakeProphet> The colon-and-indent reading of blocks makes more sense than curly brace blocks.
02:46:24 <RodgerTheGreat> BF is great on a palm, because the "numeric keyboard" you can pull up groups all the symbols you need together.
02:47:07 <pikhq> set this "Very, very [set foo unambigous]."
02:48:14 <CakeProphet> Python can compute about 6.5 lines worth of C in one line.... this tells me that it'll take less typing to do more stuff... thus laziness.
02:55:24 <RodgerTheGreat> the real trick, I've found, is to learn several of the "useful" languages and use each one for what it's best at.
02:58:33 <CakeProphet> Functional programming languages make a lot of sense.
02:58:51 <CakeProphet> Although I don't like immutable variables... I like the reason they were implemented in purely functional languages.
02:59:17 <CakeProphet> It makes it unessicary to reassign old stuff you did...
02:59:45 <CakeProphet> Because each and every step taken remains active somewhere in a variable.
03:26:10 <Razor-X> I'll bet I can make a whole very useful C program in one line, just you watch ;).
03:26:18 <Razor-X> (Thanks no braces and semicolons, of course.)
03:26:52 <pikhq> Newlines are moot in C.
03:27:38 <pikhq> And newlines are *effectively* moot in Tcl, as well (although whitespace is necessary).
03:28:10 <CakeProphet> The C-to-Python ratio for statements was on average 1/6
03:29:10 <CakeProphet> Both languages were used to write equivalent programs... and then they took an average ratio.
03:29:21 <Razor-X> Each language has its own strengths and weaknesses.
03:31:04 <CakeProphet> Well... Python was compiled in C.... which might explain why it computes more with less syntax
03:31:34 <Razor-X> The more languages you experience, the better a programmer you become.
03:33:35 <RodgerTheGreat> This is why esolangs are worthwhile, even if we never directly use them for anything important.
03:33:43 <Razor-X> Two phrases to live by in Japan: うどんを飲みましょうか。ビールを飲みましょうか。Well, that's what guys say anyways.
03:35:11 <Razor-X> Oooh. You can read Japanese.
03:36:28 <RodgerTheGreat> sometimes it horribly mangles things, but it usually gives me the gist.
03:37:03 <CakeProphet> We need a language that uses quotes for variables... and non-quotes for strings
03:37:26 <Razor-X> 東京都下から様々することをしったけど、いつも相手一勝に行く。彼女は私だけの光。
03:37:34 <Razor-X> What does that translate to?
03:37:53 <RodgerTheGreat> uhm... "However it does that various it does from under Tokyo and the [tsu] is, always it goes to partner one victory. As for her just my light. "
03:38:52 <CakeProphet> このテキストはGoogleのすばらしい訳者の使用と英語から日本語から不完全に翻訳される。
03:39:43 <CakeProphet> IT apparently converted "poorly" to "imperfectly"
03:40:32 <Razor-X> And why are there three からs. That's kinda weird too.
03:40:41 <CakeProphet> Using Google's awesome Japanese BETA translator... what I said is:
03:40:43 <CakeProphet> This text from use and English of the translator whose Google is splendid is translated imperfectly from Japanese.
03:41:35 <CakeProphet> Originally: This text is poorly translated from English to Japanese with the use of Google's amazing translator.
03:41:40 <RodgerTheGreat> Japanese is seriously different from English. I'm guessing it gets screwed up because of A) a limited dictionary and B) limited syntax re-ordering, etc.
03:42:12 <CakeProphet> Yup... it's super hard to translate English to non-Romance languages and the like.
03:42:21 <CakeProphet> Plus Japanese is... extremly different... yes.
03:42:49 <Razor-X> 英語の使われる言葉は英語の素晴しい言葉から、日本語の変言葉になる訳はGoogle為に以上です。
03:42:56 <Razor-X> That would be an approximate translation.
03:43:13 <RodgerTheGreat> I mean, even if you had the syntax perfect, you'd still run into translation problems with varying usages/connotations of words and the like.
03:44:18 <Razor-X> Japanese is hard definitely. Even humans (like me :P) have a hard time translating it to English.
03:44:27 <Razor-X> I can understand what's being said, but translation is different.
03:44:38 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm not too familiar with the structuring of Arabic, other than that it reads right to left.
03:44:50 <CakeProphet> I translated "God loves the little children all the children of the world" to arabic... and then translated the Arabic back to English and got:
03:45:12 <CakeProphet> God loves all of the young children of the world
03:45:48 <RodgerTheGreat> my version would be the "Muslim Extremist Arabic" translator. (beta)
03:47:06 <RodgerTheGreat> seriously, though, that's a surprisingly successful translation.
03:47:27 <CakeProphet> Hello dear mother have you done well in your travels to the world of horses and manual labour
03:48:30 <CakeProphet> Arabic is written from the right to the left... so I probably missed the punctuation in copy and pasting.
03:48:37 <CakeProphet> Welcome mother dear have you done to your success in traveling to the world of horses and manual work?
03:50:01 <RodgerTheGreat> you didn't lose much meaning or change what the sentence says overall.
03:50:53 <RodgerTheGreat> I think the hello-> welcome and labor-> work thing demonstrates my theory about a limited dictionary.
03:51:00 <Razor-X> You should try learning a new language.
03:51:28 <Razor-X> It improves your thought process but it does change your primary language use, definitely.
03:51:37 <RodgerTheGreat> I have learned German, and in so doing I learned that I don't particularly enjoy learning human languages.
03:51:56 <Razor-X> German is so European and English-like :P.
03:52:43 <RodgerTheGreat> of the three, German is more useful in places I'd actually like to go sometime.
03:53:13 <Razor-X> Esperanto, French, Japanese, Bengali, English -- I can survive pretty much in most places of the world.
03:53:23 <RodgerTheGreat> I've found it to be of some utility on the internet as well.
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04:13:56 <pikhq> You've past the idiot filter. Congrats.
04:14:14 <pikhq> s/past/passed/ Sorry. Mind and body seem to have seperated tonight.
04:14:38 <preyalone> I've written a BF and verrrrry simple PATH interpreter in Python.
04:15:09 <pikhq> Hope it was fun, because both of them are sufficiently simple that I'm not terribly impressed. ;)
04:16:20 <preyalone> I'm not here to impress ya. I was chatting with the Rubyists, and we decided to have a flame war just for fun, for all languages at #flame. I thought the _minorities_ heh should get a voice
04:18:32 <RodgerTheGreat> BF is clearly superior to the majority of programming languages today. For one thing, the instruction set is so simple that code practically documents itself.
04:18:54 <pikhq> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Dimensifuck I prefer that.
04:19:18 <pikhq> I'm the guy to blame for it, so of *course* I prefer it. ;)
04:19:27 <RodgerTheGreat> there's always my pet language: http://esolangs.org/wiki/DoubleFuck
04:19:50 <pikhq> I should do DoubleDimensifuck. ;)
04:20:11 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm... not entirely sure how to do that in a sane manner.
04:20:34 <pikhq> It'd just be doubling the amount of arrays for memory.
04:20:43 <RodgerTheGreat> they both effectively do the same thing, DBF is just easier to code with, and DF allows for more space.
04:21:37 <RodgerTheGreat> so, you're saying that you'd now have TWICE as many infinite dimensions to work with. *amazing*.
04:21:41 <preyalone> There could be tapes within tapes... no end to pointers.
04:22:05 <pikhq> The code array is infinite dimensions, but the *memory* is just a standard one-dimensional tape, as in Brainfuck.
04:22:24 <preyalone> bring it on down to #flame, they'd love to hear about this
04:22:57 <RodgerTheGreat> nah, I'm going to sleep. pikhq: if anything interesting happens, just let me know.
04:23:16 <pikhq> (The implementation just sets the dimensionality of the array to the amount of dimensions in the input code + 1 (all code outside of the input code is assumed to be X))
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04:40:25 * pikhq is probably now friggin' insane. . .
04:40:31 * pikhq is playing with C2BF.
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04:57:08 <Razor-X> You 'aint insane until you've played with WMs and the ICCCM.
04:58:18 <Razor-X> I can't fight against Ruby, it's dear to my heart.
04:58:31 <Razor-X> Along with Haskell and all the little Esolangs.
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05:03:35 <pikhq> Razor-X: Nah, that's just suicide.
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05:43:48 <pikhq> GregorR-W: When you get back, could you think about making c2bf be able to handle C style strings?
05:48:28 <pikhq> I'm playing with it.
05:48:53 <pikhq> I'd do the work myself, but I don't know Yacc or anything. . .
05:50:24 <GregorR> Actually, to implement it is a HUGE number of changes.
05:50:33 <GregorR> Because it would require the implementation of static data, which I don't have yet :(
05:51:07 <pikhq> A simpler way, I assume, would be to just use some clever parsing before it hits the compiler to convert it into that array shit you've got there.
05:51:38 <GregorR> Wouldn't be accurate to the C spec though *shrugs*
06:13:56 <Razor-X> Or am I thinking Flex/Bison?
06:14:13 <GregorR> (An implementation thereof)
06:14:25 <Razor-X> Dun have much experience with lexers.
06:14:55 <Razor-X> Except knowing what a BNF is and how to write it.
06:14:55 <GregorR> Anyway, I just stole the parser.
06:14:59 <GregorR> It's the codegen that's a toughie.
06:15:08 <Razor-X> And knowing that BNF stands for an awesome name.
06:15:28 <GregorR> BNF's are Not Fabrications
06:15:49 <Razor-X> Man. Backus and Naur are such cool names.
06:16:00 <Razor-X> How often do people have as awesome names?
06:16:15 <GregorR> Whenever they don't have names of English descent?
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06:17:11 <GregorR> Lemme expand 'English' to ... European, I think.
06:18:15 <GregorR> On a totally unrelated note, I updated my web site ( http://www.codu.org )
06:18:19 <GregorR> And now I'm going to sleep.
06:18:27 <Razor-X> My last name is European only because our country was colonized by them and our family was given a title for being a scholarship family.
06:18:35 <Razor-X> But, our non-European last name still isn't awesome.
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08:44:34 <Razor-X> But ``Awesome'' isn't an awesome name.
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08:58:37 <Arrogant> My name is Scott, which is a great name.
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11:35:49 <Arrogant> Natural Inform looks familiar.
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17:49:52 <RodgerTheGreat> heh. I just listened to gregor's "kill yourself" song. That was disturbingly catchy.
17:50:32 <GregorR-W> I don't know if I was stuffed up or my voice is really THAT bad.
17:51:13 <GregorR-W> It's not that I'm out of tune, I can even do a bit of vibrato, just my voice is horrible ^^
17:51:22 <GregorR-W> It's something I've learned to live with :P
17:51:44 <Razor-X> I do think I can whistle pretty well.
17:51:53 <Razor-X> So I whistle all the time. Random stuffs.
17:52:37 <lament> I want to start a whistling ensemble
17:52:41 <GregorR-W> I can't whistle well but I do anyway 8-X
17:52:53 <lament> i whistle all the time
17:53:15 <RodgerTheGreat> I can't whistle at all. It's one of those skills I never really developed.
17:53:58 <Razor-X> Well, most people can only whistle a few notes. It takes practice to be able to mimic the notes of a real song by whistling.
17:54:37 <Razor-X> Well...... you aren't playing the notes in an instrument, so....
17:55:22 <Razor-X> Anyhow, what does t3h committee vote for the timings?
17:55:37 <Razor-X> T3h committee and our revolutionary hero too.
17:56:47 <lament> are you gonna advertise the contest anywhere? slashdot?
17:57:10 <Razor-X> I already advertised it on alt.lang.intercal and that brought in some competitors.
17:58:07 <RodgerTheGreat> I don't actually go there, but I've heard that many people do.
17:58:11 <Razor-X> Only a true brave soul who can withstand the chaos of Digg should try it. I for one can't.
17:58:31 <Razor-X> I don't go to either Slashdot or Digg, because news from both places has a 15% chance of being true.
17:58:51 <lament> that's a pretty good chance
17:59:14 <Razor-X> Better than the USA National Enquirer and some British tabloids, I'd bet.
17:59:16 <RodgerTheGreat> in a similar vein, there's *shudder* social networking sites...
17:59:34 <Razor-X> How many Esolang programmers do you think we'll find on MySpace?
18:00:04 <Razor-X> Heck, I don't think any of us have an account there...... do we?
18:00:43 <GregorR-W> Sadly, my name can be found on MySpace.
18:00:55 <Razor-X> Well, your name is highly stereotypical and nondescript.
18:01:10 <GregorR-W> If you google my name, you will find nobody but me. NO ONE has my name.
18:01:39 <Razor-X> So then you're on MySpace?!
18:02:03 <pikhq> If you Google my name, you'll find my ancestors.
18:02:13 <GregorR-W> A friend of mine, listing the Kill Yourself song as one of their favorite tunes :P
18:02:32 <lament> If you google my name, you'll find lots and lots of porn.
18:02:34 <pikhq> If you Google my nickname, you'll find a history of my life from age 8 on (most of my life is on the Internet). :p
18:02:37 <Razor-X> If you google my name, you'll find a whole bunch of boys and girls from dancers to computer scientists who have my name.
18:02:37 <lament> Just be sure to turn off SafeSearch.
18:02:55 <Razor-X> *bunch of Bengali boys and girls
18:03:21 <Razor-X> I feel sad that my name is so stereotypical and nondescript, but eh.
18:03:32 <Razor-X> I wanted an awesome last name, like Naur or something!
18:03:41 <lament> Razor-X: at least your name is not Mohammed Chan.
18:04:02 <Razor-X> Muslim and Chinese marriage?
18:04:11 <lament> most common first and last names.
18:04:33 <GregorR-W> But it's not the most common first AND last name :P
18:04:55 <Razor-X> How about something like Mohammed Nguyen ?
18:05:10 <Razor-X> Yeah, in our area that would be very common.
18:05:28 <GregorR-W> The names of every Islamic person in Vietnam and every Latino in Vietnam, respectively.
18:06:16 <Razor-X> So going back to committee timings.....
18:06:34 <Razor-X> What do y'all vote as the dates?
18:06:44 <Razor-X> And are we willing to advertise on some social networking site?
18:07:01 <Razor-X> How about something more specific? :P
18:07:21 <GregorR-W> Start: 16th of August. End: 20th of September.
18:07:25 <Razor-X> Digg may not be a bad idea, since there's so much rubbish there anyways.
18:07:46 <Razor-X> Wow. Large amount of time.
18:07:55 <Razor-X> No no. I really don't mind Digg.
18:08:11 <Razor-X> We may get some popularity at least.
18:09:01 <Razor-X> Ok. Gregor suggested a more specific time. Is everyone willing?
18:09:13 <Razor-X> Committee members! To arms!
18:10:23 <Razor-X> How 'bout August 16th UTC 0:00 to September 20 UTC 0:00 ?
18:10:28 <RodgerTheGreat> and we'd still have several days to 1) gain contestants, 2) work on a list of tasks
18:10:38 <Razor-X> Wait no. This is competition time.
18:11:01 <Razor-X> Hmmmm. Maybe we wanna forward the dates by another week just to increase registration time.
18:12:00 <Razor-X> How-z about that committee?
18:14:15 <Razor-X> Registration will start from Today Now (bah, too lazy to look at the date) to August 21th 18:00 UTC. The tasks will be unveiled that day and the official competition will start as of August 22nd 0:00 UTC and end on September 26th 0:00 UTC.
18:15:10 <Razor-X> Yah but like... not in this channel.
18:15:19 <Razor-X> How about we lock down ##quantum for the task decision?
18:15:44 <Razor-X> ... Because nothing ever happens there anyways?
18:16:01 <GregorR-W> You know, here in IRC-land, it's easy to make a new channel.
18:16:17 <Razor-X> But we have to register it and lock it and do all this stupid stuff.
18:16:40 <Razor-X> Exactly. All we do is give people ops in ##quantum anyways.
18:17:57 <Razor-X> HEAR YE COMMITTEE MEMBERS: WE MEET IN ##QUANTUM.
18:18:25 <Razor-X> Any participant found trying to enter ##quantum if it isn't locked will be disqualified -- immediately, mmmkay?
18:19:24 <Razor-X> I'll make the changes to Wiki page and go back to trying to shoddily translate this book and crunching through horrendous amounts of vocabulary.
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18:45:16 <lament> remembering the steps above 12 is annoyingly difficult.
18:45:34 <lament> i wrote a little program to test them
18:45:57 <lament> eg something like sharp 13
18:47:29 <lament> i guess nobody uses sharp 13
18:47:53 <lament> but flat 13 == augmented 5
18:48:57 <lament> annoying duplicated terminology but oh well
18:49:26 <lament> i need several seconds to determine what a specific step from a specific root note is.
18:49:31 <lament> and it has to be instant :|
18:51:24 <lament> 13 and 11 cause the most trouble :(
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18:58:13 <GregorR-W> Is my clock off by four hours >_O ... why is nobody here ...
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18:58:30 <GregorR-W> (Here = my physical location, not #esoteric )
19:00:18 * lament finally remembers that flat 13 is one semitone above the fifth
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20:43:07 <ihope> So just how many geek points and/or nerd points do I get for using PuTTYtel for IRC?
20:43:42 <fizzie> Misread "hard-ons" there somewhere. Don't know how.
20:44:32 <ihope> Is that 2.5 geek points or 2.5 nerd points?
20:51:16 <pikhq> It's 2.5 1337 h4x0r points.
20:51:45 <ihope> Is that good or bad?
20:51:58 <pikhq> Depends. Are you a 1337 h4x0r?
20:53:16 <ihope> What if I'm 1337 but not a h4x0r?
20:54:03 <pikhq> All 1337s are 1337 h4x0rs.
20:54:30 <ihope> I guess I'm not a 1337 h4x0r, then.
21:11:37 <GregorR-W> Because using PuTTYtel implies that you are using Windows.
21:11:44 <GregorR-W> And all actions on Windows are negative point-values.
21:12:02 <ihope> PuTTYtel is only for Windows?
21:13:49 <ihope> There seem to be Unix ports as well.
21:14:12 <GregorR-W> Well, it still implies that you're using Windows because who the hell uses PuTTY on UNIX :P
21:14:59 <ihope> Does it help that this isn't my computer, and those who own it would be quite angry at me if I installed Linux?
21:15:28 <GregorR-W> Dood, PuTTYtel == Telnet with a GUI -_-
21:15:41 <GregorR-W> pikhq: Does ReactOS support CoLinux?
21:15:54 <pikhq> GregorR-W: Actually, I think they do.
21:16:09 <ihope> I'm only using PuTTYtel instead of Telnet because backspace works on PuTTYtel, but not Telnet.
21:17:31 <ihope> By the way, if I ever make an operating system, virtualization would be implicit, and the host system would have to explicity NOT be run as a normal program.
21:17:56 <ihope> Then again, when are host operating systems ever normal programs?
21:19:49 <ihope> Okay, forget I ever said anything about virtualization.
21:20:00 <GregorR-W> Please, comment upon http://www.codu.org/
21:20:55 <ihope> Well, you have to click a link to open up the main menu thing.
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21:26:11 <ihope> And I get the urge to do a certain something that doesn't involve the computer, which means it doesn't involve typing PONG ihope :zelazny.freenode.net, which means if I do it, I'll probably time out.
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21:30:05 <pgimeno> "Menu" does nothing for me
21:31:11 <Razor-X> I dun really need a mouse to pilot my WM.
21:31:32 <Razor-X> Ok, I don't use my mouse at all to pilot my WM.
21:32:15 <pgimeno> 1.7.12-1.2 (Debian flavour)
21:32:42 <pgimeno> did I mention I always navigate with JavaScript disabled?
21:32:54 <Razor-X> Blah. Both of those are RAM hogs.
21:33:21 <Razor-X> I only use Firefox to surf the web in Japanese.
21:33:30 <Razor-X> And Mozilla just eats my system up.
21:33:31 * GregorR-W wonders if you can detect somebody having JavaScript disabled from HTML :P
21:34:08 <GregorR-W> I thought that was only for unsupported :)
21:34:28 <pgimeno> that turns out not to be the case
21:34:49 <pgimeno> oh btw, I read you in the spanish /.
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21:36:50 <pgimeno> but since I don't read /. in either language, I didn't find it at the moment it was published
21:37:27 <GregorR-W> I only found it through the magic of google :P
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22:13:54 * GregorR-W now has "With the Pentium D, DirectNet has Active Route Loss Detection Technology" written on his whiteboard :P
22:15:10 -!- cerebralsnusnu has changed nick to lament.
22:17:31 <GregorR-W> With the Pentium <latest Pentium>, <product> has <feature it already has> Technology!
22:17:41 <GregorR-W> With the Pentium D, Windows has Instability Technology!
22:17:57 <GregorR-W> With the Pentium D, Linux has Second Extended Filesystem Technology!
22:19:49 <GregorR-W> With the Pentium D, Bill Gates has Satan Technology!
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22:27:03 * pikhq listens to the Kill Yourself song
22:29:14 <pikhq> Did Glass inspire that?
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22:43:05 <Keymaker> hurray! a quine in sceql: http://koti.mbnet.fi/yiap/programs/sceql/quine.sceql
22:43:12 <Keymaker> it's one of my best programs this far :)
22:43:40 <GregorR-W> pikhq: By the way, you'll be humming the Kill Yourself Song to yourself. Be careful not to sing it in public :P
22:44:10 <Keymaker> i think graue's old sceql interpreter has some bug, for some reason it has some difficulties when running this. my own sceql interpreter and safalra's java script one work perfectly, however
22:44:27 <Keymaker> i think graue has made a new version of the interpreter, but i haven't tried it
22:44:49 <Keymaker> and yeah, i should probably upload my own interpreter somewhere, although it's really slow :)
22:47:33 * pikhq is presenting on Esolangs next Monday at his LUG. . .
22:47:39 <pikhq> http://pplug.org/ Whee. . .
22:48:32 <pikhq> GregorR-W: I'll try to keep it away from the various goth/emo/"Being depressed is cool" folks at school. ;)
22:49:03 <GregorR-W> pikhq: No, those are the people that it's OK to sing it around :P
22:49:14 <GregorR-W> In fact, burn it to a CD and distribute it for them.
22:50:40 <pikhq> In that case, I'll blare it loudly at the Japanese club, so I can get them the hell out of there.
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22:55:44 <pikhq> Maybe he just took your advice.
23:26:35 <Razor-X> What level of Japanese do they speak in your Japanese club?
23:28:27 <lament> watashi something something
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23:29:36 <nooga> kipple: er du der?
23:29:56 <Razor-X> You can't say ``watashi ha lament desu'' like every other person on the face of the Earth? :(.
23:37:12 <pikhq> Whatever they *can* speak, Razor-X. . .
23:37:17 <nooga> kipple, jeg laere norsk og jeg behover hjelp... ;p
23:37:31 <pikhq> Which ranges from nothing to perfect fluency. ;)
23:37:32 <Razor-X> So it's like a bunch of ... excuse the term ... wapanese?
23:38:06 <pikhq> Going into my 3rd year of studying the language. . .
23:38:34 <Razor-X> What level can you read up to? After about 4-5 months of study, I'm trying out a young adult novel.
23:39:02 <pikhq> The "wapanese" are fairly quickly driven out. . . Berriman sensei wa "nihongo o hanashinakkya" to iimasu. ;)
23:39:06 <Razor-X> The only hard part I'm having is to keep up with the changes from first to third person, and of course the vocabulary is tough since there's no furigana.
23:39:26 <pikhq> Nowhere near that much; the first two years of Japanese were taught by a horrible teacher.
23:40:46 <Razor-X> I got in 197 words yesterday, another 63 today. I wanna be able to read the first chapter of the novel from start to finish without using the dictionary.
23:43:28 <nooga> aaaaa rune rune rune aaaaa!
23:45:07 <nooga> i need Rune here ;p
23:50:09 <ihope_> Ia! Ia! kipple fhtagn!
23:51:59 <lament> Razor-X: looks like you would learn toki pona rather quickly.
23:52:17 <Razor-X> I got a headache after yesterday's 197 words.
23:53:27 <lament> toki pona doesn't have that many.
23:53:44 <ihope_> How many words does Toki Pona have?
23:53:59 <GregorR-W> It only has three words: food, anger, and sex.
23:54:21 <lament> it doesn't have a word for 'anger'
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23:57:00 <pikhq> Sexsexfoodfoodsex == anger. :p
23:58:06 <jan_ihope> Hmm, so is "kasi kule poki" literally "plant color pot"?
23:59:18 <lament> 'potted colored plant', perhaps
23:59:36 <lament> word order for english and TP noun phrases is usually the opposite