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03:46:29 <pikhq> One of my friends is in college. . . He's noted that one of his CS courses doesn't specify a language. . .
03:46:59 <pikhq> He's considering doing at least one assignment in BFM, and turning in the BF-compiled result.
03:47:28 <RodgerTheGreat> can he scan in the amusing comments his teacher will write on it next to his failing grade?
03:48:10 <pikhq> A macro package for Brainfuck I designed. . .
03:48:31 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/bfm.tar.bz2
03:48:59 <pikhq> http://pikhq.nonlogic.org/basm.tar.bz2 if you want an example of code written in it.
03:49:28 <RodgerTheGreat> bsmntbombdood: think of it as BFBASIC on extremely powerful drugs.
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03:50:12 <pikhq> Speaking of which, I should probably update the tarballs. . .
03:51:18 <GregorR-L> pikhq: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/GregorRichards/langchoice.png
03:56:41 <pikhq> Sounds like he's going to turn in one assignment in twice: one version in BF, one in Lisp.
03:57:53 <pikhq> What? Of BFM and Basm?
03:58:20 <pikhq> No, Basm is written in BFM.
03:58:48 <pikhq> I usually test code using egobfi8. . .
03:59:01 <pikhq> So, all generated code is almost guaranteed to work *there*, at least. ;)
04:03:00 * GregorR-L can't figure out how to put bfm in EgoBot :P
04:03:02 <pikhq> basm.bfm, BTW, also demonstrates how one may have a single source file generate code for EOF=-1, EOF=0, or EOF=255.
04:06:20 <pikhq> bsmntbombdood: Thoughts?
04:16:52 <pikhq> My Tcl style is also a bit weird. . .
04:21:03 <pikhq> Maintain Gregor's.
04:21:32 <pikhq> In need of more coding, but it does work.
04:22:12 <pikhq> http://esolangs.org/wiki/C2BF
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04:53:49 <Razor-X> Suggestion is that you understand enough hardware to be able to model an FSM and a Datapath.
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06:48:37 <Razor-X> You can overwrite the ROM.
06:48:54 <Razor-X> It's just that, the structure of the ROM is still a real mystery, since most people rely on PalmOS hooks.
06:49:36 <Razor-X> Well, romeos can decompose the ROM into a small and large ROM. The large ROM is irrelevant, since it loads PDBs, so I can only guess that the actual OS code is loaded into the Small ROM. Now how is a big mystery.
06:50:59 <Razor-X> The step would be to try to disassemble the ROM, and use the (seemingly irrelevant) documentation on the DragonBall (and friends) processor.
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09:29:33 <Razor-X> Writing a Quine is so easy in Forth.
10:38:52 <ihope> Is that one of those cheating ones?
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11:57:07 * ihope plays "robots" without using the "t" key
11:59:12 <ihope> Zero points every time.
11:59:24 * ihope instead plays NetHack without using the "t" key
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13:42:22 <RodgerTheGreat> Razor-X: I don't think you understand- many palm models used flash memory as a ROM, whereas the visor and the m100 (among some other models) use regular-old ROM. The visor ROM is non-writeable.
13:42:58 <RodgerTheGreat> if you want to know more about the low-level structure of PalmOS, you might want to look into AMX, the operating system it was built on.
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14:34:40 <Razor-X> RodgerTheGreat: Oh? Totally unwritable? Bleh.
14:35:26 <RodgerTheGreat> it was a cost-cutting measure in the design- one of the reasons they were able to sell visors for ~$160 when palms were going for nearly $300
14:35:56 <Razor-X> The only thing you can do is load it into RAM PalmLoader style then...
14:37:06 <RodgerTheGreat> once palmOS loads, they can automatically run a program from a cartridge, meaning you might be able to store your alternative OS on one,
14:42:33 <Razor-X> Yeah. To grab onto a certain hook. Hopefully.
14:44:56 <RodgerTheGreat> replacing the operating system on palm-based devices can be extremely tricky.
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17:38:55 <calamari> I thought I had a clever way to have predicatble pauses in bf.. but it didn't work out :P
17:39:23 <calamari> I was hoping that I could play a very low note using ansi and that it wouldn't print until it was done playing
17:39:34 <calamari> but of course it printed right away
17:40:18 <calamari> lament: the problem is this: how long?
17:40:53 <calamari> I could ask the user to push entewr then push enter again after a second has passed, but that's clunky
17:42:08 <lament> well............add interrupts to brainfuck :)
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18:47:55 <pikhq> calamari: Pause for clock cycles, not seconds. :p
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20:00:04 <ihope> Pause for one clock cycle?
20:00:44 <ihope> (And what is this "ansi" you speak of? Surely you're not asking the American National Standards Whatever to play the note for you.)
20:05:18 <lament> actually he probably is.
20:06:59 <oerjan> ansi escape characters i assume
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20:19:02 <Sgeo> Maybe we could write the specs on YouOS?
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20:20:24 * Sgeo thinks that the Factory specs thing could be written in YouOS
20:20:33 * Sgeo is shamelessly promoting it right now :/
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20:27:05 <ihope_> ANSI escape characters can play music?
20:29:08 <Asztal> not exactly music, but then, they didn't have music back in those days
20:30:04 <ihope_> How can you play a very low note with that?
20:34:57 <fizzie> If you mean the ASCII character BEL (codepoint 7), I wouldn't call it (or any other ASCII control chars, like linefeed) an ANSI escape sequence. (Admittedly it's listed in the same standard, though.)
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20:38:56 <fizzie> (I don't see any other sound functions in 5th edition of ECMA-48, which should be approximately the same as ANSI X3.64.)
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20:46:55 <ihope_> ANSI escape sequences are defined in the same place as ASCII?
20:50:19 <fizzie> The ANSI standard (or at least that ECMA-48, which should be the same thing) lists also the ASCII control characters and their semantics.
20:50:49 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code
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23:29:08 <ihope_> Hey, what happened to GregorR?
23:29:49 <oerjan> he was whisked away by flesh-eating zombies.
23:30:38 <xor> I should learn an HDL
23:43:33 <xor> hardware description language
23:43:33 <ihope_> High development language?
23:43:58 <Razor-X> Maybe just because I'm C (god-forsaken language) biased.
23:50:23 <xor> Razor-X: Have you coded in verilog?
23:50:55 <Razor-X> But I need better books for more.
23:51:20 <Razor-X> VHDL looks like some weird mix of FORTRAN and K&R C.
23:51:31 <pikhq> Razor-X: I recommend coding a lot and hoping you don't screw it up. :p
23:52:24 <Razor-X> If you come by a good Verilog tutorial, please tell me!