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15:34:43 * SimonRC decides to ruin your productivity too:
15:34:48 <SimonRC> http://www.jenovachen.com/flowingames/implementfig.htm
15:37:17 <lindi-> SimonRC: how should i build that?
15:51:58 <SimonRC> I'l explaina in a few minutes
15:54:53 <lindi-> SimonRC: seems to be proprietary anyway so i don't bother :/
15:54:55 <Razor-X> So, can the committee meet tomorrow to judge?
15:58:43 <SimonRC> http://intihuatani.usc.edu/cloud/flowing/
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20:59:05 <xor> an HP49G has a forth-like language built in
20:59:31 * xor begins to doubt his choice on a TI-89
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21:12:15 <xor> grr I want an hp59g
21:17:50 <xor> Is that one of the ones with a 4 deep stack?
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21:46:10 <Razor-X> xor: Yeah, if I had the choice, I would've used an HP in the beginning.
21:46:44 <Razor-X> But my math teacher last year demanded HPs, and this year our math teacher does most of the examples on the TI (not that I couldn't read the manual push-comes-to-shove this year).
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21:49:15 <Razor-X> xor: http://www.quartus.net/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/ColorForth
21:49:22 <Razor-X> That's some real potential fun.
21:53:45 <pgimeno> http://www.colorforth.com/ide.html
21:53:55 <Razor-X> pikhq has the right of it.
21:54:00 <Razor-X> Compare Malbolge and Forth.
21:54:09 <Razor-X> I'd safely say Malbolge is ``pretty esoteric''.
21:55:55 <pgimeno> compare ORK and forth, for that matter :)
21:56:19 <Razor-X> Forth does, in some instances, sound like English.
21:56:56 <Razor-X> : bf-ptr-inc ( bfptr -- bfptr ) dup bf-tape-size @ = if bf-tape-grow 1+ else 1+ then ;
21:57:02 <Razor-X> That's one of my most English words.
21:58:01 <Razor-X> Although if you expand all the words to their English ``pronunciations'', it is pretty much English.
21:59:14 <pikhq> English. . . With a stack.
21:59:24 <Razor-X> pikhq: More logical than English already is ;)
21:59:51 <pikhq> I've recently been doing some improvements on BFM. . .
21:59:57 * xor loves his ti-89
22:00:01 <pikhq> The new BFM "Hello, World" program:
22:00:09 <pikhq> string foo "Hello, world!\n" 1
22:00:48 <Razor-X> I've put Quartus Forth on my Palm, and it's fun :)
22:00:54 <Razor-X> I should write a BF interpreter.
22:01:08 <Razor-X> ... Or just use the one I already wrote ....
22:01:24 <Razor-X> pikhq: Oooh. Strings, huh?
22:03:19 <jix> here like no one uses HPs...
22:03:20 <pikhq> C-style strings, in essence. . . Cheap, simple, and effective.
22:03:27 <jix> only casio and TIs
22:03:37 <Razor-X> TI only in my school, pretty much.
22:03:42 <jix> i meant here in the germany schools
22:03:48 <jix> (that i know of)
22:03:58 <Razor-X> It's very school-dependant.
22:03:58 <pikhq> My HS calc teacher hates TIs. . .
22:04:03 <Razor-X> In California, it's almost all TIs.
22:04:11 <Razor-X> (Probably because we're close to Texas.)
22:04:19 <pikhq> So, he's got a bunch of HPs that he loans out every year.
22:04:19 <jix> Razor-X: here it's very teacher dependet
22:04:36 <jix> i think ti's are pretty nice
22:04:36 <pikhq> The rest of the district uses TIs. . .
22:04:46 <pikhq> I'm glad that my teacher likes RPN. :)
22:04:57 <jix> you can do that on some TIs too
22:05:09 <xor> I hate school
22:05:11 <jix> i sometimes use rpn to enter thingst that i would mess up when i'd use a lot of ( and )
22:05:13 <Razor-X> I think I'll spend a portion of my saved up lunch money to trade in my TI for an HP when I graduate.
22:05:15 <xor> http://www.paxm.org/symbulator/download/rpn.html
22:05:17 <pikhq> jix: Yeah, but it's native for HPs.
22:05:30 <xor> Razor-X: I think I might get one
22:05:33 <Razor-X> TI-89 is pretty nice, though.
22:05:35 <jix> pikhq: but for the most things i enter i prefer the normal notation
22:05:49 <xor> I can't use a ti-83
22:05:52 <jix> pikhq: and i get all features of the CAS from within the rpn thing so it's like native
22:05:57 <jix> xor: yeah that's the thing i use
22:05:58 <xor> They are just too terrible
22:06:14 <Razor-X> My dad complained to the principal for having to buy me a graphing calculator.
22:06:17 <xor> jix: What is?
22:06:23 <jix> xor: that rpn thing
22:06:33 <Razor-X> He argued that he used a slide rule until his 3rd year of college where he failed a class and bought his first calculator to compete.
22:06:48 <xor> jix: Does it work good?
22:06:48 <Razor-X> So, a TI-83 was the best I was going to get out of him.
22:06:54 <jix> xor: it does
22:07:02 <Razor-X> Before that, I used a TI-22X (more-than-a-decade discontinued)
22:07:15 <Razor-X> Was my dad's first calculator out of college.
22:07:17 <pikhq> Razor-X: I recommend the slide rule.
22:07:28 <Razor-X> pikhq: I've become pretty quick with it, actually.
22:07:45 <jix> when i'm not allowed to use the ti-98 (like programmable and or graphic disallowed) i use a ti-30-eco-rs or something
22:08:02 <xor> slide rulesrock
22:08:09 <xor> I love my slide rule
22:08:10 <Razor-X> I still have the TI-22X. I really loved that calculator.
22:08:10 <jix> i like it... very simple but does what i want
22:08:11 <pikhq> jix: I've been using RPN for a few years (yay, dc!). . . The fact that my graphing calculator now does RPN makes me very, very happy.
22:08:19 * pikhq needs to get a slide rule sometime
22:08:22 <Razor-X> I did my first SAT I with it, and it was a fine calculator.
22:08:23 <xor> pikhq: What calc?
22:08:53 <xor> pikhq: do you like it?
22:08:53 <Razor-X> (Although back when I took the SAT I, it wasn't designed like a marathon test.)
22:09:12 <pikhq> xor: Except for a buggy keypad, it's rather nice.
22:09:27 <pikhq> (the current model, the HP-50G, has that issue fixed)
22:09:40 <jix> this one http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/TI-30_eco_RS.jpg << the batteries are like never going to be empty
22:10:38 <jix> and as soon as there is enough light to be able to recognize the digits on the display it's enough for it to get enough power throught the solar thing
22:10:51 <Razor-X> Oh. We have one of those too.
22:11:27 <Razor-X> xor: Did you check out colorForth?
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22:25:20 <xor> Razor-X: I am now
22:27:14 <xor> Don't see the point
22:27:34 <Razor-X> How can you not appreciate that?!
22:29:16 <xor> on the metal?
22:29:34 <Razor-X> Pseudonym for total control.
22:30:19 <Razor-X> Imagine turning 486 machines into embedded systems for cheap.
22:30:44 <xor> rather use a more refined os
22:31:03 <Razor-X> I wouldn't call this an OS even, per-say.
22:32:02 * pikhq has made Brainfuck nicer still with BFM.
22:32:40 <pikhq> With 3 lines, one can have "Hello, World!" with BFM. :)
22:32:50 * pikhq is going to clean some stuff and make the new tarball
22:33:42 <Razor-X> colorForth is just enough ASM to simulate a flat memory model for a Forth interpreter/kernel.
22:34:01 <Razor-X> Which is why there's code for the floppy driver and the hard-disk driver and all.
22:35:18 <Razor-X> A microkernel I guess the term would be.
22:36:22 <Razor-X> And I'll bet someone can write a QWERTY driver for the Dvorak uninitiated.
22:37:07 <pikhq> Sorry; that's 4 lines.
22:37:23 <pikhq> Need to source both ^outs.bfm and ^stdcons.bfm
22:38:30 <xor> With BF with strings, it's >"Hello, World!"[<]>[.>]
22:39:36 <pikhq> source ^stdcons.bfm
22:39:53 <pikhq> string hello! "Hello, World!\n"
22:40:30 <pikhq> But I've got a full macro system.
22:40:35 <pikhq> And *it works*. ;)
22:41:17 <pikhq> (it could easily compile to BF with strings: >"Hello, World!\n"[<]>[>.])
22:45:06 <pikhq> 'Sides; my solution works anywhere where there are 8-bit wrapping cells (could work *anywhere* if I bother allowing for conditional compilation based upon cell size and wrapping/non).
22:47:01 <xor> It be easy to write a strings bf -> bf compiler
22:49:04 <pikhq> 'Bout as easy as it was for me to add the string command to BFM.
22:55:11 <xor> grr I can't get this rpn proggy to work in tiemu
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23:54:43 <xor> http://www.paxm.org/symbulator/download/rpn.html screwed my calculator