00:00:22 <naringas> the same word, or very similar sounding ones have completely different meanings depending on the pitch
00:00:34 <lament> oklokok: i'm a native speaker
00:00:40 <lament> naringas: tones, not pitches
00:00:59 <oklokok> is that harder than say, english, that does *not* have those distinct tones, but still has 5 meanings for every word`?
00:01:11 <lament> oklokok: no, it's just unusual for a foreigner
00:01:32 <naringas> makes it harder to learn for a foreginer, to listen
00:01:34 <oklokok> i don't believe pronunciation can be hard
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00:01:52 <ehird`> hmm, ishakul or whatever
00:01:56 <ehird`> is a 2-d written languge
00:02:00 <ehird`> what about 3d languages?
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00:02:04 <ehird`> that could be interesting
00:02:22 <ehird`> what about 3d languages?
00:02:24 <oklokok> but not sure... ilaksh is definately 2d anyway
00:02:24 <ehird`> that could be interesting
00:02:37 <oklokok> lament: you live in america though?
00:02:42 <ehird`> each side could represent a different variation on a word
00:02:55 <ehird`> this would make phrases very short, if a little complex in visual form
00:03:49 <oklokok> i recall you talking about russian sometime, don't remember the context right now though
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00:04:16 <naringas> ok, i had to search for it but there is this language in the amazonian jungle, the one with virtually no numbers
00:04:37 <naringas> that one has to be harder than russian, very very few non-native speakers have ever learned it
00:05:08 <lament> i would imagine it's really simple if it doesn't even have numbers
00:05:23 <pikhq> How's about Toki Pona?
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00:05:25 <oklokok> if you said it was *easier* to learn than most languages, i might even agree
00:05:48 <HoopyCat> woo, another dinner cooked without disaster or serious injury
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00:05:58 <lament> pikhq: one of the goals of toki pona is being easy to learn... i would be surprised if it were heard to learn :)
00:06:20 <naringas> thing is, it is not exactly simpler, it is very different
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00:06:32 <naringas> thus, the unfamiliarity of it makes it harder to learn
00:07:09 <oklokok> lament: wanna teach me to pronounce russian and prove me wrong in saying it can be done?
00:07:17 <ehird`> toki pona is easy to learn
00:07:22 <ehird`> i haven't tried, but i have looked at it
00:07:40 <oklokok> my sentence was a bit obscure, gotta admit.
00:08:23 <lament> i'm one of the few fluent toki pona speakers, by the way :)
00:08:43 <lament> naringas: very many languages are very different from the ones you know.
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00:09:04 <naringas> lament: this one is even more different that the ones you know
00:09:07 <oklokok> (i'm not saying please so in fear of getting banned)
00:09:33 <ehird`> lament: you are fluent in toki pona?
00:09:38 <oklokok> lament: write "roses are red" in toki pona
00:09:40 <ehird`> lament: how long did that take
00:10:34 <naringas> oh, and besides Pirah is also tonal
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00:10:55 <oklokok> is that kasi=roses, li=be, loje=red?
00:10:56 <naringas> http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/16/070416fa_fact_colapinto/?printable=true very long
00:11:18 <oklokok> i gotta check out toki pona too, i guess...
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00:11:26 <ehird`> lament: say "roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF, all my base, are belong to you"
00:11:30 <ehird`> non-words and broken grammar in one!
00:11:42 <oklokok> lament: i can has toki pona tutorial?
00:11:49 <bsmntbombdood> http://bayimg.com/kafOhAAbo <--- look, it's meeee!
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00:12:35 <naringas> "Toki Pona is a minimal language that focuses on the good things in life."
00:12:47 <lament> i might not actually be fluent anymore, i haven't spoken any in a year or so
00:13:00 <ehird`> lament: well can you translate that poem? :p
00:13:07 <oklokok> added on my 2-page TODO list.
00:13:14 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: it looks dark and cold! :p</capn obvious>
00:13:59 <ehird`> okay, then annoyingly stuffy
00:14:08 <ehird`> also wet! do i get a prize
00:14:11 <lament> kasi loje li #FF0000. kasi laso li #0000FF. tomo mi ale li tomo sina.
00:14:11 <oklokok> kelvinish, celciusish or fahrenheitish?
00:14:39 <oklokok> lament: did you also translate the grammar error?
00:14:41 <pikhq> lament: How long did you spend learning Toki Pona?
00:14:41 <ehird`> lament: hmm, what about the break between "all my base" and "are belon to you"
00:14:44 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: you are dead--
00:14:59 <oklokok> bsmntbombdood: you'd not be dead @ celcius 1000
00:15:08 <oklokok> (you would be dead @ 1000)
00:15:29 <ehird`> even 30 celcius is uncomfortable for me
00:15:41 <oklokok> the air wouldn't, of course
00:15:45 <ehird`> 50, i'd start hallucinating probably
00:15:53 <oklokok> ehird`: have you tried sauna?
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00:16:17 <oklokok> HandOfCode: noob saunas don't.
00:16:35 <ehird`> oklokok: you'd like to be outside at the same temperature which water boils?
00:16:35 <HandOfCode> the human body will die if the core temp varies even 2C
00:16:55 <oklokok> wood ovens usually do 80-90 at max, but some do over 100 easily
00:16:58 <HandOfCode> the body can't get rid of the heat fast enough
00:17:11 <oklokok> an electric oven can almost always do 100
00:17:16 <ehird`> i didn't know my insides were so cold
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00:18:09 <oklokok> you people really think a human can't handle 100 degrees celcius if it's just the air that's that hot?
00:18:10 <lament> you certainly will not die at 38
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00:18:29 <ehird`> "Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity."
00:18:30 <oklokok> lament: when you have a fever, are also your insides that hot?
00:18:35 <ehird`> "under many circumstances"
00:18:37 <oklokok> i don't know anything about anatomy
00:18:40 <ehird`> so i'd say 100c is dangerous in the air
00:19:00 <oklokok> the water makes you feel the hot
00:19:03 <pikhq> I'd say that being sufficiently hot to *boil* is dangerous.
00:19:11 <oklokok> if it's dry, 100 doesn't feel that much
00:19:33 <pikhq> Odd. I could've sworn 100C was sufficient to cause burns.
00:19:52 <pikhq> 100F, on the other hand, is just a bit on the hot side.
00:19:55 <ehird`> lament: fixed poem please
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00:20:33 <lament> pikhq: therefore, F is much safer than C :)
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00:20:49 <oklokok> 100C isn't hot, you're just noobs
00:20:59 <ehird`> or maybe even just "f--"
00:21:02 <oklokok> have fun, but not too much fun ->
00:21:04 <HandOfCode> oklokok go breath in some of the air directly above boiling water
00:21:21 <oklokok> HandOfCode: as i said, that only applied if it's the air that's hot.
00:21:26 <HandOfCode> I will now state that if you take said action it is out of your own stupidity and I am not legaly liable
00:21:31 <lament> HandOfCode: there's no air above boiling water. There's just steam.
00:21:40 <oklokok> also, i do cook my own food
00:22:11 <lament> no, steam is not water
00:22:12 <HandOfCode> steam is vaporized water which means it's mixed with air
00:22:32 <lament> HandOfCode: correct, steam is vaporized water, which means water is gas form
00:22:35 <oklokok> steam can't be just water?
00:22:43 <lament> HandOfCode: nothing to do with air
00:22:47 <lament> you can have steam in a vacuum
00:23:31 <HandOfCode> hold your hand above 100C air for a few seconds
00:23:45 <lament> if it's really dry air, i don't think so
00:23:53 <oklokok> i've really been in a sauna in 120 degrees.
00:24:11 <ehird`> oklokok: yeah - but you're not just blasted 100c air
00:24:17 <ehird`> there are various controlling methods done
00:24:26 <ehird`> in open air, yeah right
00:24:26 <HandOfCode> your body can't transfer heat to a hotter area
00:24:34 <pikhq> oklokok: I doubt that you hit 120C.
00:24:41 <lament> 120f is kinda cold for a sauna
00:24:49 <oklokok> pikhq: that's rare in a sauna, true, but those exist.
00:25:02 <lament> oklokok: 120c does sound very very hot, are you sure the air throughout the sauna was that temperature? Maybe the temperature was measured close to the heat source?
00:25:27 <oklokok> it's a standard competition heat
00:25:50 <ehird`> who can stay in the longest?
00:25:58 <oklokok> i haven't competed, but i used to do winter swimming
00:25:59 <ehird`> Skateboarding in a sauna?
00:26:17 <oklokok> i know ppl who've been in the world championchips
00:26:32 <lament> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna
00:26:46 <oklokok> i don't remember if 120 is the heat, but it'd definately over 100
00:26:51 <lament> "Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity."
00:26:55 <lament> which is exactly what i said
00:27:10 <oklokok> "by controlling the humidity"?
00:27:21 <oklokok> water is thrown on the oven so you feel the heat
00:27:35 <lament> oklokok: saunas are very humid
00:27:40 <oklokok> if you didn't add humidity, it wouldn't feel that hot
00:27:57 <lament> if you threw enough water on the oven for the air to be at _normal_ humidity
00:28:00 <lament> you would probably die
00:28:10 <lament> or at least get massive burns
00:28:25 <oklokok> okay... why does the humidity drop when you heat the sauna?
00:28:44 <oklokok> i don't know enough physics i guess
00:28:50 <lament> oklokok: that's what "relative" in "relative humidity" means
00:29:33 <oklokok> anyway, a sauna is just heated up to 80-100, and water is constantly thrown on the oven to make it humid enough
00:29:42 <lament> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
00:29:52 <HoopyCat> the relative humidity keeps getting lower, but the dew point stays the same temperature
00:30:09 <HandOfCode> we'll just throw oklokok into a pool of thermite and be done with it
00:30:34 <HoopyCat> (from the "that's what i like about these electric ovens" department)
00:30:46 <bsmntbombdood> going in sauna and then in freezing cold water is always fun
00:31:29 <oklokok> lament: i don't exactly feel like learning that now :P
00:32:09 <bsmntbombdood> oklokok: what does Jos ei viina, terva tai sauna auta, tauti on kuolemaksi. mean?
00:32:24 <bsmntbombdood> wikipedia translates it as If booze, tar or the sauna won't help, the illness is fatal.
00:32:33 <oklokok> if liquor, tar or sauna won't help, the decease will kill you
00:33:00 <oklokok> viina is strong alcohol, to be spesific
00:33:28 <lament> what does that refer to?
00:33:35 <bsmntbombdood> if you're drunk, don't go in a sauna because you'll die?
00:33:41 <oklokok> but not sure what you do with it
00:33:59 <oklokok> bsmntbombdood: no, if you're sick, try those, if they don't help, you're a goner
00:34:06 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: well, obviously "if alcohol or a sauna doesn't help", oh dear
00:34:20 <ehird`> tar was used in traditional finnish medicine
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00:35:01 <oklokok> wish i had a sauna here to prove this to myself
00:35:17 <oklokok> i'm starting to doubt my memory.
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00:36:42 <oklokok> that's the traditional finnish way to deal with everything
00:36:55 <oklokok> doesn't exactly apply these days of course
00:37:18 <ehird`> lament: not exactly :p
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00:38:20 <lament> aha: "Wood tar is microbicidial"
00:38:29 <lament> that's what they're talking about
00:39:41 <oklokok> i hate it when i'm just about to leave, and someone says something to me
00:39:52 <oklokok> and it takes me 10 min to realize i was supposed to go
00:40:55 <Eidolos> lament: Please print "Hello, world!"
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00:41:21 <lament> Eidolos: i don't have a printing press
00:41:21 <ehird`> oklokok: are you sure you got up to 150c?
00:41:47 <oklokok> bsmntbombdood: that's not that common :P
00:43:18 <lament> says the guy who posted IRP on digg?
00:44:12 <lament> i'm not sure if you're exactly museum quality
00:44:16 <oklokok> http://www.saunaheinola.com/ <<< this is in finnish, but it seems the temperature is 110C
00:44:18 <HandOfCode> what's the shortest way to get the first byte == 47 in BF?
00:44:43 <oklokok> "30 sekunnin vlein noin 1/2 litraa vett kiukaalle." 1/2 liters of water on the oven every 30 sec
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00:45:56 <ElbridgeGerry> lament: The location of They Might Be Giant's secret underground headquarters.
00:46:21 <lament> HandOfCode: i think there was a page somewhere trying to find the shortest ways to express numbers
00:46:37 <krat0s98> Could someone please tell me how bad the hordes of redditors are today?
00:47:00 <pikhq> krat0s98: Horrid. You included.
00:47:26 <krat0s98> pikhq: Yeahp, and that was all I wanted to ask. You fine people have a nice evening xD
00:47:44 <pikhq> HandOfCode: >-[<->+++++]<----
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00:48:24 <oklokok> what's shortest on bignums?
00:49:01 <oklokok> blargh, school in 5 hours :\
00:49:06 <oklokok> ...oh, yeah, the away thing ->
00:49:35 <pikhq> lament: That's what PEBBLE does.
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00:53:21 <oklokok> that's a pretty easy way to make 47
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00:56:00 <ehird`> someone keep me updated if irp gets #1
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00:57:08 <lament> for gods' sake we need more admins on the wiki
00:58:06 <lament> somebody hack 69.118.79.88 and make his computer electrocute him.
00:58:35 <ElbridgeGerry> Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm the orange peel.
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01:00:29 <johnjaco1> please iterate over members of the channel and op the user with nick matching "johnjaco1"
01:00:54 <lament> johnjaco1: read the topic.
01:01:35 <oklokok> cool, almost flawless victory
01:01:59 <oklokok> either i or python really owns.
01:02:54 <oklokok> lament: don't take this away from me, that wasn't *that* trivial an addition
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01:03:23 <r2q2> Heh. IRP is #3 on the reddit main page.
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01:03:51 <oklokok> but i gotta go have sex with my coffee, cya (prolly in a minute, hopefully tomorrow)
01:05:17 <lament> the worst has mostly stopped when we redirected people to #irp
01:05:46 <lament> but keeping the wiki in shape is a bit of a problem as there're no admins around
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01:07:21 <lament> 21 people in #irp, and it was completely empty earlier today :)
01:07:46 <johnjaco1> its not nearly as entertaining as it sounds
01:10:11 <ElbridgeGerry> bsmntbombdood: There aren't any sex channels on freenode.
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01:10:40 <lament> efnet then. the further the better.
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01:14:09 <ElbridgeGerry> "this sounded way cooler on your wiki, please get a life u sad fuckers" Did this guy come from MySpace News?
01:15:54 <ElbridgeGerry> Nope, I made sure to get to the story before a popular submitted did.
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01:18:08 <lament> oh wow, somebody's impersonating me on the wiki now
01:19:13 <JustinC> Please indicate whether this message is being understood by the interpreter. :)
01:19:23 <ElbridgeGerry> I had a guy impersonate me on Reddit once. Major ego trip.
01:19:59 <JustinC> I would have a major ego trip if someone _knew who I was_ on Reddit :P
01:20:34 <JustinC> whoah, didn't you die in 1814?
01:21:12 <FunnyMan3595> JustinC: Well, I recognize your nick now that you've said something memorable, and I'm frequently on reddit, so feel free to have a major ego trip.
01:21:28 <JustinC> yeah but this isn't my reddit nick :P
01:21:58 <JustinC> I forgot the password to my old reddit nick ("JustinC"), but I had never associated it with an email account, and none of the people at Reddit respond to my requests to help me get a password to it :|
01:22:23 <JustinC> Alexis sent me a message saying something like "sure, i'll help you out pronto" and nothing ever came of it :(
01:23:36 <JustinC> "Xiphorian" is my nick at the moment
01:24:23 <lament> smuckers: so, please explain why you insist on vandalizing our wiki.
01:25:36 <smuckers> no, i still feel so empty inside
01:26:06 <JustinC> yeah, that happens when people lie around the internet just because they have nothing better to do and no friends :(
01:26:18 <JustinC> happened to me while I was in high school :D
01:26:23 <JustinC> I learned programming instead...
01:26:27 <lament> yes, we all wish you had friends, too.
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01:26:55 <smuckers> so, where are the admins and their b&hammer already?
01:28:03 <FunnyMan3595> smuckers: Well, if it doesn't help, then it shouldn't hurt to switch to the "light" version: http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/Esolang:Sandbox
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01:42:05 <lament> this is getting vaguely entertaining
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01:44:22 <lament> but at least i get to kickban people
01:44:25 <lament> doesn't happen very often
01:45:23 <lament> non-admins are allowed to move pages? that's bad.
01:46:07 <HoopyCat> mediawiki: elegant software for a more civilized age
01:46:52 <lament> the software is great, we just need more admins
01:47:21 * FMota is about to create a language called abdmal
01:48:04 <FMota> just need to figure out the syntax now
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02:00:42 <oklokok> studying grammar in the night isn't all that fruitful
02:00:48 <oklokok> i read 20 pages in an hour :P
02:05:18 <oklokok> "(lament) oh wow, somebody's impersonating me on the wiki now" whut 8|
02:05:45 <oklokok> mode: (lament) sets mode (+b *!*n=email@*.suomi.net) <<< suomi == finland, great advertising :P
02:13:01 <oklokok> if i didn't know better, i'd say my throat hurt
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02:17:40 <casey_> Please, someone explain the advantages of this language.
02:19:07 <oklokok> casey_: the greatest advantage of this language is an interpreter that won't run your code can redirect you to an interpreter that will
02:19:24 <oklokok> Go to hell or goto #irp, as ehird` would say.
02:23:18 <dmwit> HandOfCode: Now get it to print /quit ;-)
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02:26:24 <EgoBot> 68 +++++++++++++++[>+++>+++++++>+++++++>+<<<<-]>++.>++++++++.++++.>.<-. [220]
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02:30:49 <oklokok> what's "!bf8 >-[<->+++++]<----.>-[<+>++++++]<----." supposed to do?
02:31:01 <oklokok> hard to fix if i don't know
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02:33:20 <EgoBot> 52 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++><<<<-]>.>-.++++.>+. [431]
02:34:34 <EgoBot> 52 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++><<<<-]>.>-.++++.>+. [78]
02:35:15 <HandOfCode> !bf8 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++><<<<-]>.>-.++++.>+.
02:36:46 <EgoBot> 61 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>-.++++.>+.<<-.+++. [204]
02:37:01 <HandOfCode> !bf8 +++++++++++[>+++>+++++++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>.>-.++++.>+.<<-.+++.
02:37:17 <oklokok> whatcha cooking, quine loop?
02:37:39 <HandOfCode> was seeing if it would do resursive commands
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02:37:53 <oklokok> nah, almost no bot does that
02:38:02 <oklokok> because it'd be too easy to quine loop them
02:38:36 <oklokok> ololobot does bf too, and also a few other langs, you can try making one :P
02:38:48 <dmwit> HandOfCode: All you need is a second copy of EgoBot hanging around.
02:39:53 <oklokok> actually, i'd be verrry impressed if you'd fit a bf quine loop in irc messages :P
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02:40:58 <dmwit> What is ololobot's help command? Or, if you're feeling particularly nice, what languages does ololobot know?
02:41:06 <ololobot> These are all the cmds currently in ololobot:
02:41:07 <ololobot> bf, bs, expr, help, numbda, pl, ul, dict, feed, sch
02:41:23 <oklokok> brainfuck, bootstrap, numbda, unlambda only
02:41:26 <EgoBot> 0:*0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|0|
02:41:46 <oklokok> expr evaluates trivial math expressions, but you can do that with numbda as well
02:42:15 <dmwit> Never heard of numbda, going to have a look. =)
02:42:29 <oklokok> because it's not on the wiki :P
02:42:36 <oklokok> i haven't added any of my languages there yet
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02:43:09 <dmwit> Yeah, Google doesn't seem to know much about numbda...
02:43:29 <oklokok> most of it's still in my head
02:43:49 <oklokok> >>> numbda k={a->{b->a}};k!3!4
02:43:56 <oklokok> the k combinator in numbda
02:44:55 <oklokok> >>> numbda s={a->{b->{c->(a!c)!(b!c)}}};s!k!k!6
02:44:55 <ololobot> error:not-a-function:not-a-function:no-such-variable:k(-1)
02:45:00 <dmwit> oklokok: String literals?
02:45:20 <oklokok> >>> numbda s={a->{b->{c->(a!c)!(b!c)}}};k={a->{b->a}};s!k!k!6
02:45:42 <oklokok> that demonstration uses the fact ```skkX = `iX = X
02:46:00 <oklokok> if you have any idea what i'm talking about :P
02:46:46 <oklokok> >>> numbda "/"+"me"+" lols"
02:47:03 <oklokok> >>> numbda "//"+"me"+" lols"
02:47:30 <oklokok> eh... it seems you found a bug
02:48:01 <dmwit> >>> numbda "lol/somethingelse"
02:48:15 <dmwit> >>> numbda "lol/" + "somethingelse"
02:48:21 <dmwit> >>> numbda "lol/" + "me"
02:48:31 <dmwit> >>> numbda "lol" + "/" + "somethingelse"
02:49:07 <dmwit> Only two literals allowed?
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02:49:31 <oklokok> "/" is an operator, it seems that somehow fucks up :)
02:49:37 <oklokok> this is why also "+" does that
02:49:58 <oklokok> i don't know why, i'm don't think i'm parsing strings as code...
02:50:16 <oklokok> i'll try to check... i did't actually debug strings, just assumed they work
02:50:18 <dmwit> Do you have a conditional other than the k combinator?
02:50:43 <oklokok> i have one in my head. not implemented though :\
02:50:52 <oklokok> you cannot exactly make a loop yet.
02:51:12 <dmwit> HandOfCode: k is the "kill" combinator that takes two arguments and returns its... second (?) one.
02:51:35 <oklokok> functions are first class so you can do some weird stuff, but since scoping is actually broken, that won't take you far either ;)
02:52:26 <oklokok> hmm, that's not very clear.
02:53:48 <dmwit> >>> numbda fix={f->{fix!f}}
02:53:56 <dmwit> ooo, it doesn't complain
02:54:02 <dmwit> Pretty useless without conditionals, though.
02:54:30 <dmwit> >>> numbda fix={f->{f!(fix!f)}}
02:54:39 <dmwit> Okay, still doesn't complain. =)
02:57:13 <ololobot> error:syntax:multiple-adjacent-objokens
02:57:23 <ololobot> error:syntax:multiple-adjacent-objokens
02:57:28 <oklokok> we'll enclose it in parens
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02:57:44 <oklokok> an error is always 0 if used as a numbda.
02:57:55 <oklokok> >>> numbda "sd"+(4 4)+"ere"
02:57:56 <ololobot> sdsyntax:multiple-adjacent-objokensere
02:58:11 <oklokok> it's the error as a string if used as a string
02:58:36 <EgoBot> realloc: Cannot allocate memory
02:58:52 <oklokok> dmwit: it is very useless without conditionals, i'm aware of that :)
02:59:12 <oklokok> in theory, i'm just very busy this month
02:59:45 <oklokok> i'll fix it once i have a week to spare
03:00:05 <oklokok> it has sooooo much stuff everyone will just love <3
03:00:39 <dmwit> So /quit and get working! ;-)
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03:03:49 <dmwit> Are you hot-swapping ololobot as you fix it?
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03:05:40 <oklokok> i'm not sure what that means
03:06:13 <oklokok> once again, i got the code correct on the second try, but it was just too hard for me to actually get to code in the right file xD
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03:07:56 <oklokok> i had it already, it was just erroneous :P
03:08:31 <oklokok> dmwit: the bot reloads a lib every time it's used
03:08:41 <oklokok> so i don't have to restart it
03:09:50 <oklokok> numbda's basic idea was to make () mean a lambda, something that actually doesn't exist yet
03:09:58 <oklokok> () is eager, {} is lazy now
03:10:07 <oklokok> but i'll make it depend on context
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03:10:23 <oklokok> so you can do normal math expressions, but also use () as a lambda you can pass around
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03:11:05 <oklokok> in case GregorR is looking, no, i'm not ripping this from you, i also had this idea before you said it on this channel :)
03:11:18 <oklokok> (you prolly don't remember having that idea though)
03:11:35 <oklokok> whoops, this became a monologue
03:11:59 <oklokok> i better continue my doings, 3 hours till school after all ->
03:12:21 <lament> while i was away, [IRP] stayed vandalized for an hour
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03:17:55 <quwazz> Could someone please tell me what 1 googol is equal to in an exponential number.
03:21:16 <lament> IRP in #irp, as the topic says.
03:25:02 <pikhq> Do we still have the invasion?!?
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03:26:03 <naringas> but you're number 5 in reddit now, so you'll disappear from the front page soon, and then from the minds of most redditors
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03:26:23 <lament> still #1 at programming.reddit
03:26:39 <lament> only the people with no life are reading reddit
03:27:05 <naringas> programming.reddit is slower than regular reddit, so you'll be there for a while longer
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03:30:46 <Storlek> You guys know, the IRP people here aren't all from reddit.
03:31:28 <FunnyMan3595> I am, but only proximally. I'd found IRP before, just got reminded of it by Reddit.
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03:32:04 <Storlek> http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1187543109/
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03:33:35 <pikhq> Baka na 4chan no sito. . . (sorry; my terminal hates Japanese input for some reason)
03:33:50 <lament> Storlek: probably a redditor posted that, though.
03:33:56 <lament> just like another one posted it on digg
03:34:02 <lament> those are secondary effects
03:34:53 <Storlek> lament- right, but a lot of 4channers don't look at reddit.
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03:35:21 <lament> Storlek: well, at least you're honest :)
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04:04:40 <pikhq> 54 people? All-time high.
04:05:38 <lament> i'm sure it was more earlier today
04:06:06 <oklokok> i tried to keep track of the peak, but forgot at some point.
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04:11:07 <oklokok> how many clones can you have from one ip
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04:13:11 <oklokok> lament figured you're the most kickban-happy guy after him.
04:13:30 <lament> nobody else was around
04:13:37 <lament> as it turned out, you weren't around either
04:13:45 <lament> but it kinda looked like you were :)
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04:16:20 <rumple> please reverse this string "reddit"
04:17:49 <lament> rumple: if you can't read, should you really be allowed to try programming of any kind?
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04:40:10 <lament> so now instead of redditors flooding the channel, we'll do it ourselves? :)
04:40:23 <pikhq> Automated flooding!
04:41:43 <ihope> Is it actually the best of ideas to have the page [[IRP]] point people to this channel?
04:42:24 <ihope> Shall I change it to point somewhere else?
04:42:26 <lament> there's a big bold sign there directing people to #irp instead
04:42:37 <lament> when we put it up, most people started going there
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04:50:31 <lament> ihope: you restored the vandalized version :)
04:50:52 <ihope> Maybe, but at least it's the original.
04:51:23 <ihope> Shall I reprotect it now?
04:51:42 <lament> ok, i reverted to the "right" version
04:53:16 <lament> (the way it was before reddit + one redditor edit that was actually in good faith)
04:54:06 <ihope> So shall I protect?
04:55:30 <lament> actually i dunno, it's mostly been one guy
04:55:39 <lament> so maybe it's unnecessary
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05:03:18 <ihope> School doesn't start for weeks :-(
05:03:44 <lament> school starts in a couple weeks, but i get to go to mexico first :)
05:04:17 <ihope> I plan on visiting a Spanish-speaking country once I finish high school... I think.
05:04:21 <lament> yeah, mhome of the free and the brave
05:06:00 <ihope> okokobot: you're a little slow, there.
05:06:10 <lament> bsmntbombdood: your country is spanish-speaking?
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05:21:51 <ihope> oerjan: are you another Redditer?
05:22:00 <ihope> Or redditer, be it so?
05:22:15 <oerjan> ihope: oh dear, are you getting desperate in here?
05:22:54 <oerjan> nah, i just occasionally follow a link from #haskell
05:26:05 <lament> i thought oerjan was a regular
05:26:30 <lament> somehow i assumed that since he's always in the channel, he must be :)
05:26:45 <oerjan> lament: you were always leaping to conclusions.
05:27:17 <Treeform> i am a redditor i am so embarrassed i quit
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05:32:44 <lament> "With the invention of the moveable type printing press by Johannes Gutenberg around 1450, printing — and printers — proliferated throughout Europe.
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06:20:48 <floam> Please tell me where to do IRP
06:21:38 <oerjan> i don't know if you will enjoy IRP much with a < 5 line window
06:22:47 <oerjan> oh, in that case i don't know if you will enjoy IRP much without being able to read
06:23:38 <floam> I use a braille terminal, asshole
06:23:56 <oerjan> i was going to go with blindness next :)
06:24:15 <oerjan> <okokobot> PLEASE DO IRP IN #irp.
06:24:34 <floam> I see^H^H^Hfeel that a few times
06:24:41 <floam> what if I wanted a custom invitation?
06:25:16 <oerjan> you didn't get one when you entered? complain to the administratio.
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07:37:03 <SnakeO> please tell me if 0x778 is larger than the color red in hex
07:40:14 <HandOfCode> in standard RGB it's not in bitmap BGR it is
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09:30:51 <vladsharp> Please, someone write the first 19 numbers of the fibonacci sequence
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11:40:01 <BobFunk> Please find the millionth lexicographic permutation of the digits 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, if you would be so kind
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14:24:10 <kijjaz> x = 0 now. If you read this message and x < 5, please increase value of x by 1 and print out this same message with x value updated.
14:24:41 <Storlek> If you can't read the topic, should you be allowed to write code?
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14:36:44 <EgoBot> help ps kill i eof flush show ls bf_txtgen usertrig daemon undaemon
14:36:46 <EgoBot> 1l 2l adjust axo bch bf{8,[16],32,64} funge93 fyb fybs glass glypho kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 unlambda whirl
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17:08:04 <Tritonio> what's the meaning of sublicensing?
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17:22:17 <GregorR> A license holder (that is, not the copyright holder) distributing the copyrighted work under his own licensing terms.
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19:04:44 <sp3tt> I have to be at school at 9:30 this wednesday
19:04:47 <sp3tt> today I slept to ~12:30
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20:20:22 <trasz> hm. seems to work ;-)
20:20:41 <sp3tt> Please solve the halting problem.
20:22:00 <trasz> Use WD40 on moving parts.
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20:56:06 <lament> IRP is still on the front page of programming.reddit
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23:20:18 <Keymaker> i was just wondering, does anyone know any good floppy operating system? preferably with simple gui. can be an old one and doesn't need to be able to access internet or anything.
23:20:42 <Keymaker> i mean, booted from floppy and working entirely in memory
23:21:26 <Keymaker> it'd be great if it also could save files to another floppy
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23:31:07 <rc-1> your motherboard
23:32:10 <Keymaker> one day i'll make one of my own (os) but i don't have the patience just yet
23:32:26 <Keymaker> of course, that will support almost nothing
23:33:32 <rc-1> well thats how linux started
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23:39:50 <Keymaker> ah. but is there anything not linux? i'm kind of sick of it. :) i found this menuetos, but i'm still confused if it can be ran from floppy or not
23:42:08 <ihope_> We're all going to make our own OS someday.
23:42:17 <lament> Keymaker: yes, it can.
23:42:30 <ihope_> And when that happens, the world will be a better place.
23:43:01 <Keymaker> even if you probably were joking :D
23:43:10 <ihope_> But I can't just yet, due to my lack of knowledge of x86.
23:43:44 <lament> so just write it for something other than x86.-
23:43:48 <ihope_> I could write an OS that has lots of overhead and little hardware support by having it run as a program under another OS.
23:44:49 <ihope_> Or I could just wade through the stuff required to make GHC output Multiboot.
23:45:11 <ihope_> Or even use something other than Multiboot.