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00:49:37 <oklofok> Adjudicated Blind Collaborative Design Esolang Factory <<< i realized the first letters are the beginning of the alphabet! only seen that about 100 times
00:52:52 <bsmntbombdood> i wonder if a [0-9]* password is easier to remember than a [a-z]* or [A-z]* password
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04:01:44 <pikhq> simplechat: Not hard to do.
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04:51:53 <RodgerTheGreat> we had "Blind Collaborative Design", and then I came up with "Adjudicated", and everyone else contributed words to build the mighty non-acronym we have today
05:03:19 <oklofok> or whatever time i've been here
05:05:21 <oklofok> i've read everything people have said here except two weeks i were away and a few nights there was so much logs i only glansed through (mostly immi-originated...)
05:08:40 <oklofok> adjudicated = something that is not judged?
05:09:00 <oklofok> i'm pretty sure i've known that word
05:10:11 <pikhq> I think it was a bit under a year.
05:11:37 <oklofok> hmm, adjudicate is the opposide of that
05:26:25 <oklofok> i use answers.com for dictionary/google/wikipedia
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05:48:07 <oklofok> omg a java course about objects starts today... this is gonna be mind-blowing
05:50:45 <oklofok> RodgerTheGreat: btw, it's kinda obvious you designed it that way, the odds of that happening are 1/244140625 (though odds of something improbable happening in general are much bigger), plus it's almost as improbable no one would actually notice it at some point and claim it was his plan all along.
05:51:32 <oklofok> and classes start in 10 minutes, it's 10 degrees outside, i don't own a jacket, i have to go by bike and it's a 7 km trip
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06:13:17 <bsmntbombdood> using a recording device in a movie theater is a misdemeanor
06:14:50 <bsmntbombdood> minimum wage for minors is 15% less than for unminors
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10:39:04 <ehird`> ciretose - like comatose, but induced by fucking of the brain
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11:40:12 <Sgeo> Has anyone done anything with PSOX since I last talked about it? (not including now ofc)
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16:04:28 <oklofok> Sgeo: i don't know about the others, but i usually let people finish their own projects :)
16:04:37 <oklofok> unless PSOX is already ready
16:04:51 <Sgeo> Any comments on the newlines issue?
16:05:19 <Sgeo> Some esolang interpreters might require newlines before they can push output or take in input
16:05:22 <Sgeo> or something like that
16:05:37 <Sgeo> So I'm going to need to make 0x0A mandatory after every command
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17:18:24 <SimonRC> sebbu: no, you just create a 0x0A command that does nothing, but can be used to kick the interpreter into outputting.
17:18:47 <SimonRC> then programs use the 0x0A command like a kind of flush command
17:20:35 <oerjan> except it needs to be present on input as well
17:21:28 <SimonRC> I was only thinking about commands
17:21:42 <SimonRC> ah, I have another idea...
17:22:32 <SimonRC> the 0x0A command could cause the PSOX layer to feed you a newline, thereby flushing output and input in that order
17:22:47 <g4lt-sb100> SimonRC, now, do this over multiple architectures and endiannesses
17:23:31 <g4lt-sb100> ...remembering that they all have different reserved opcodes
17:24:13 <SimonRC> PSOX is platform-independent
17:24:26 <g4lt-sb100> okay, do a 0x80 on a sparc. hint, it's not a null
17:25:36 <SimonRC> what the hel has that got to do with PSOX?
17:25:43 <oerjan> there is going to be an optional translation layer needed anyhow.
17:25:58 <oerjan> consider original INTERCAL, for example.
17:26:27 <oerjan> roman numerals in one direction, and i don't quite remember in the other.
17:26:34 <SimonRC> how do opcodes relate to a layer that allows bytestream-to-bytestream programs to do system-specific things?
17:26:59 <SimonRC> oerjan: input was digit names in a variaety of weird languages
17:29:38 <oerjan> some languages, such as unlambda, have most character I/O possible but it is so awkward that you might want a different encoding for efficiency.
18:01:43 * Sgeo was thinking that the client would be forced to do 0x0A after every command, and server sends 0x0A after every response
18:03:35 <Sgeo> But 0x0A doesn't necessarily indicate the end of the command or response
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18:21:52 <oerjan> > mapAccumR (flip divMod) 10000 [60,60]
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19:02:28 <ehird`_> oerjan: implementing... haskell?
19:02:52 <oerjan> just wrong channel again
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19:12:10 <ehird`_> it'd be the weirdest haskell ever
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21:52:10 <oklopol> current projects: brainfuck-interpreter in True, and ski interpreter in Texas instruments TI-84
21:52:28 <oklopol> (or just TI-84, since ti is prolly texas instruments...)
21:52:49 <oklopol> is there an ski interpreter in an imperative language?
22:01:15 <ehird`_> youd have to implement a callstack and stuff
22:01:53 <oklopol> i implemented a list stack in TI-84
22:02:06 <oklopol> you can push and pop arbitrary lists
22:02:46 <oklopol> it prints the numbers as pixels on the graph
22:03:27 <oklopol> yes, i know there are matrices there... but mine is cewler.
22:11:57 <oklopol> because you can watch as your ski program evaluates
22:20:24 <oklopol> after 8 minutes of silence, i answer in 3 seconds... some might say that's sad.
22:20:40 <oklopol> hmm... that might help making it in the basic
22:21:34 <oklopol> i could... write an interpreter in the basic!"
22:21:48 <oklopol> oh my god it's pain writing that
22:41:09 <sp3tt> I wrote a BF interpreter for my hp 48.
22:44:07 <ehird`_> i want an hp 48g or whatever it was, and a ti-89
22:44:17 <ehird`_> :( but must spend money on less useless things..
22:47:15 <sp3tt> I got mine as a birthday present.
22:51:15 <oklopol> it's pretty trivial doing bf for ti-84
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22:52:26 <sp3tt> my interpreter was probably not very efficient
22:52:34 <sp3tt> it took five minutes to run Hello world
22:52:55 <sp3tt> a bf interpreter in bf is not trivial
22:53:10 <oklopol> that isn't hard, making it in ski is hard
22:53:42 <bsmntbombdood> you just write it in functional scheme, and have your computer do the abstraction elemination for you
22:53:44 <oklopol> i guess if you rip off list presentations from somewhere
22:55:47 <oklopol> i still think that doesn't make it any easier to do in ski
22:56:01 <oklopol> because the program will be immensely complex
22:57:14 <bsmntbombdood> abstraction eliminated it of course will be very long
22:58:05 <oklopol> i think being able to make scheme -> ski, and therefore calling making bf in ski easy is pretty much like saying making a bf interpreter in ski is easy because you can just download it from the net
22:58:21 <oklopol> just because you can get the code from somewhere easily isn't really *trivially making it*
22:58:33 <bsmntbombdood> not if you wrote the abstraction eliminator and the interpreter
22:59:06 <oklopol> if you wrote the abstraction eliminator in ski and encoded your scheme in the ski program, true, that's making it in ski
22:59:36 <ehird`_> Hey wow I forgot about kajirbot
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23:00:57 <KajirBot> thanks :) but have you got cyanide?
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23:02:37 <ehird`_> dodes dictionary.com have an api
23:02:57 <ehird`_> Specifically I need a python api for dictionary (or a rest api is fine too)
23:04:01 <oklopol> who the fuck needs that nowadays
23:04:32 <ehird`_> you enjoy spouting off garbage just to have your opinion differ from everyone else in here, don't you?
23:04:34 <oklopol> EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN ONE BIG DATA STRUCTURE
23:04:59 <oklopol> i'm pretty sure everyone here thinks it sucks.
23:05:07 <oklopol> except i now know you don't
23:05:20 <ehird`_> bsmntbombdood: Does HTTP suck, or does HTML suck
23:05:33 <oklopol> the main problem is coding interface into content
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23:07:27 <oklopol> there's a lot of text encoding issues i hate about it, but that might just be php originated
23:10:00 <oklopol> well, i guess all i can hate about http is how it's used, which is basically hating html.
23:11:35 <oklopol> and also, i do think it's be much nicer to have a protocol over http to be able to skip the useless serializing part
23:13:14 <ehird`> have you even researched http
23:13:15 <oklopol> also, i think the whole layer system could've been done a lot better, it's verrry ugly
23:14:48 <oklopol> i'll have to read te rfc i guess.
23:15:41 <oklopol> http seems to already support that.
23:15:47 <oklopol> about first line on the rfc :)
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23:29:39 <oklopol> this is much better than what cisco has taught me
23:30:10 <oklopol> i'll read the spec and see if i still have something to complain
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