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13:21:03 <ais523> Has anyone tried to write an asynchronous programming language before?
13:21:20 <ais523> That is, one where you can't guarantee that the previous command has finished executing before the next one starts
13:21:39 <ais523> and if you try to change more than one bit in the internal state at once, they might change one at a time with other things happening in between
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13:37:56 <ais523> !ul (GregorR, in response to something you were wondering a few days ago, the 'ul' daemon on EgoBot is an Underload interpreter)S
13:38:30 <ais523> but I set it up via /query EgoBot, so it only gives its answers to me and therefore is kind of useless for anyone else to play around with at the moment
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19:37:25 * SimonRC wonders if any of the Calxists are here.
19:41:29 <ehird`> bsmntbom1dood: that's what i was about to say
19:41:51 <ehird`> "calxist" returns someone who went into #osdev 2007
19:42:01 <ehird`> calxists returns you asking the same thing: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/07.07.13
19:42:26 <SimonRC> Too complicated to explain
19:43:25 <SimonRC> They do want it to be kept semi-queit
19:43:48 <ehird`> if you want it to be quiet
19:43:51 <ehird`> stfu and don't mention it
19:44:26 <SimonRC> http://conworlds.info/cwbb/viewtopic.php?p=2067#2067
19:44:52 <SimonRC> i was trying to remember who was the person/people here that were the founders
19:45:32 <ehird`> without reading a big (for forums) post, summarize it
19:46:32 <ehird`> calxism's core pillars of "LOL OK THIS IS TRUE:" = ?
19:46:39 <SimonRC> Calxism tries to use logic to get the results we want
19:47:21 <SimonRC> Calxism tries to derive things like "murder is forbidden" from its core premise
19:47:39 <SimonRC> Actually it ends up deriving "murder should be really expensive"
19:47:58 <ehird`> what's the core premise?
19:48:29 * SimonRC tries to think how to explain...
19:48:47 <ehird`> you have a philosophy based on a core premise you can't explain
19:50:10 <SimonRC> I didn't invent Calxism, I nicked it
19:50:26 <SimonRC> ok, i think this sums it up roughly: "It's more about making a decisicion on what goal we should follow based on incomplete information being a bad call now, I think. There may or may not be a goal, but we should learn as much as we can incase there's something we discover more goalworthy along the way. In other words, more information can never be a bad thing, so for lack of a goal we should learn. If we find a goal we can all aspire to, great, if we d
19:50:55 <SimonRC> The idea is that there may be an ultimate goal, if so we need to find it
19:51:02 <ehird`> how do you derive "murder = expensive" from that?
19:51:19 <SimonRC> The people I am lookingfor are the ones that were trying to write a book and start a country
19:51:33 <ehird`> SimonRC: how does that follow from the above
19:51:48 <SimonRC> can't remember exactly, it was a while ago
19:52:05 <SimonRC> they added some extra stuff to make an actual legal system
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19:52:42 <SimonRC> the catchphrase "logical means to illogical ends" came up a few times
19:53:14 <SimonRC> I think they planned to give people some money-like stuff depending on how hard they worked, or something...
19:54:00 <SimonRC> there issome communism in there too
19:54:08 <bsmntbombdood> restriction and centralization, my favorite things
19:54:08 <ehird`> restricted centralized capitalism
19:54:30 <ehird`> (... Communism, just what we need)
19:54:41 <SimonRC> they had some other stuff that actually made it sound almost workable
19:54:58 <SimonRC> and you could spend your "money" on things
19:55:15 <SimonRC> there was no crime as such, just really expensive stuff
19:55:33 <ehird`> do i have to spend money to go to the toilet?
19:55:45 <RodgerTheGreat> that's quite literally the definition of "money". A representative object or objects that can be exchanged for goods or services.
19:56:00 <SimonRC> but it isn't inheritable for a start
19:56:11 <SimonRC> bsmntbombdood: I raised that point
19:56:43 <SimonRC> except I think it is personal and non-transferrable
19:56:54 <ehird`> non-transferrable money?
19:56:59 <ehird`> isn't that called... "rocks"?
19:57:49 <SimonRC> possibly there was some restriction on how you could transferr it
19:58:00 <SimonRC> anyway, I wasn't terribly convinced that such a country would work
19:58:11 <SimonRC> the channel has gone very quite
19:58:12 <RodgerTheGreat> money's entire function is in the act of transfer. You'd have to get pretty metaphysical and impractical to design an economy without monetary exchange.
19:58:48 <SimonRC> it wasn't exactly money, it was a measure of how much resources you werew allowed to use for your own leisure
19:59:14 <RodgerTheGreat> so basically a metric by which your value to society is measured.
19:59:15 <ehird`> this sounds like a very happyfun society
19:59:23 <ehird`> (Note: here be sarcasm)
19:59:35 <SimonRC> (the whole thing is a great illustration of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" here applied to philosohpy)
20:01:24 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1190260876-inetargument.png
20:01:32 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: you have to pay to go to the toilet, basically
20:02:06 <RodgerTheGreat> public bathrooms in Germany charge a small fee to contribute to the maintenance and cleaning of said bathroom.
20:02:33 <bsmntbombdood> bathrooms in america have to pay to hook up to the sewer and for flushing water
20:02:37 <SimonRC> RodgerTheGreat: damn I wish I were funny like you can be
20:03:04 <RodgerTheGreat> if that's sarcasm, it wasn't supposed to be amazing or anything
20:03:39 <oklopol> i like the country i live in
20:03:46 <SimonRC> or rather, I mean that I was able to write+draw comics at all
20:03:52 <oklopol> although i've always wanted to live in one of those sex cults
20:04:14 <ehird`> oklopol: i've always wanted to sex in one of those live cults
20:04:18 <ehird`> damn, that doesn't work
20:04:51 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.nonlogic.org/dump/images/1190338381-deal.png <- I liked this one better.
20:08:25 <bsmntbombdood> any movie that's not a porno but starts off with an autofelatio scene has to be good
20:08:52 <SimonRC> and you must have to be flexible to do that
20:09:13 * SimonRC feels that length of his ribcage
20:09:27 <SimonRC> the rib-cage can't bend...
20:09:41 <RodgerTheGreat> IMDB trivia on "shortbus": "To make the actors more comfortable, the director and the cameramen were stripped naked while filming the orgy scene."
20:09:45 <SimonRC> and the vertebrae below it have a total length less than it...
20:10:36 <bsmntbombdood> http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/476/shortbus00603984vu0.jpg
20:11:07 <ehird`> bsmntbombdood: first thought: ouroboros
20:12:31 * SimonRC agrees with RodgerTheGreat
20:13:58 * SimonRC wonders when it will become commercially possibleto re-activate the human tail genes
20:14:11 <SimonRC> they occasioanlly re-activate on their own
20:14:27 <RodgerTheGreat> it will be a wonderful day for furries and a dark day for every sane human on earth.
20:14:33 <ehird`> SimonRC: when all biologists become furries
20:14:35 <SimonRC> there are a very tiny number of people with monkey-like tails, about 30cm long
20:14:50 * SimonRC recalls the events of 2043
20:15:20 <SimonRC> they look ugly due to no fur
20:15:20 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: quick, detune
20:15:25 <ehird`> i don't like wave interference
20:16:23 <RodgerTheGreat> Is that a waveform collapse I taste? Or possibly blood.
20:17:14 <RodgerTheGreat> SimonRC: I think adding a naked, ratlike tail to a human is one of the few ways you could possibly make us look more ridiculous.
20:17:35 <oklopol> RodgerTheGreat: i've seen both those strips before :<
20:17:42 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: I think the furry biologists will probably work on that.
20:18:27 <ehird`> All humans fuck retarded people now?
20:18:47 <RodgerTheGreat> ... that is one possible interpretation of what I said.
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20:19:20 <SimonRC> ah, one of my best works: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.dragons/msg/f1961295cd324d15
20:19:25 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: those two pictures are identical
20:20:12 <ehird`> "PIXEL #34 IS DIFFERENT"
20:20:21 <RodgerTheGreat> I hope we can all agree, however, that genetic engineering + sexual fetishism = bad, bad news.
20:20:32 <oklopol> i actually checked 3 times, though
20:20:49 <SimonRC> actually, it seems to be the same image scanned in twice
20:21:02 <ehird`> RodgerTheGreat: how do you genetically engineer for necrophillia?
20:21:19 <SimonRC> who is the guy in the foreground?
20:21:35 <SimonRC> the one in all your cartoons
20:22:16 <ehird`> (SimonRC lives in a world where every character has a 1:1 mapping to real people.)
20:22:44 <RodgerTheGreat> he is, for example, a hardcode DOS guru, whereas I am a mac user.
20:23:15 <SimonRC> is there a collection of your cartoons?
20:23:23 <SimonRC> there are more than just those 5on your site
20:24:38 <bsmntbombdood> RodgerTheGreat> I hope we can all agree, however, that genetic engineering + sexual fetishism = bad, bad news. <-- unless it's your fetish
20:25:57 <ehird`> we really need an #esoteric-social
20:26:43 * SimonRC indicates his announcement of a few months back
20:27:07 <ehird`> (actually, #esoteric-social exists, but only of virtue of me being in there in case anyone joins)
20:28:19 * SimonRC whistles the Chip's hallenge music
20:29:45 <ehird`> is is is is is is is is is is
20:30:14 <bsmntbombdood> i have to write a report about either aids or hunger
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23:01:27 <ehird`> (Is this "make formula that cannot be corrected by simple augmentation" day?)
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