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05:25:10 <oerjan> Once upon a time there was a poor GregorR who invented a language called IRP. This eventually made many people on #esoteric angry, and has generally been considered a bad move.
05:25:53 <pikhq> Gregor would be executed for this crime. However, he has done enough good for #esoteric to have made amends for this.
05:26:24 <GregorR> He is, however, given forty lashes every time an IRP'er appears for his crimes.
05:26:57 <pikhq> Every new IRP'er is more pain to #esoteric, which most be mended.
05:33:04 <pikhq> With a pasty-white geek.
05:34:29 <GregorR> Hey, I'm not pasty-white 8-O
05:34:52 <pikhq> I bet you would be after the lashings.
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06:54:37 <bsmntbombdood> and we should have a forum of esoteric where only morse is allowed
06:55:43 <immibis> what is morse code for a question mark?
06:57:04 * immibis wonders how many people here even know rubicon exists.
06:57:48 <immibis> i mean my "..." was not intended to be interpreted as morse code for EEE
06:58:35 <bsmntbombdood> i wonder how long it would take to learn morse code to a decent speed
07:07:31 * immibis thinks he's made a rubicon bubble sort.
07:13:08 * immibis again wonders aloud how many people in this channel know rubicon exists.
07:21:04 <GregorR> Heh, I just went from "what's a packrat parser" to "my packrat parser works" in 1.5 hours.
07:21:49 <immibis> what's a packrat parser anyway?
07:22:16 * immibis asks for everyone who knows what rubicon is to say yes and for everyone else to say no.
07:22:32 <immibis> could everyone who knows what rubicon is say yes and could everyone else say no?
07:26:25 <GregorR> As it turns out, the reason nothing seems to describe what a packrat parser is in detail is because it's really mind-bogglingly simple.
07:26:32 <GregorR> All it is is a memoized recursive descent parser.
07:27:32 <GregorR> Memoization == save the result and use that saved result if you're called again.
07:27:56 <GregorR> And no, I don't know what rubicon is, but I'm too stubborn to just say "no" 8-D
07:28:42 <immibis> rubicon is a game based on the RUBE language.
07:29:10 <immibis> RUBE is an esoteric language based on the idea of making a program out of a Rube Goldberg machine
07:29:29 <GregorR> Soooo, rubicon == The Incredible Machine?
07:29:45 <immibis> you can make programs in it too. i've made a 1-digit fibonacci sequence calculator and a thing to square a number in modulo 16.
07:32:32 <immibis> Rubicon uses most of the parts from RUBE.
07:39:42 * immibis asks gregorr if he has visited that page yet
07:39:50 <immibis> gregorr, have you visited that page yet?
07:42:58 <GregorR> I'm just staring a bit blankly at it :P
07:43:10 <GregorR> Did you write this or just find it?
07:43:59 <immibis> on http://esolangs.org/wiki/RUBE
07:50:10 * immibis almost crashes firefox for the (n^(10^(10^100)))'th time.
07:50:25 * immibis warns gregorr that if he tries to play it it may occasionally crash his browser
07:50:54 <immibis> oh and at school many people think 1^2 is 2.
07:52:53 * immibis means to the power of, not xor.
07:53:05 <immibis> by the same token, adding 1 and 2 = 0
07:54:40 <immibis> if you take it as (add (1 and 2))
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11:11:59 <oklopol> why isn't immibis ever here when i am
11:12:45 <oklopol> also, (1 and 2) = 2, (add 2) is clearly 2
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11:48:49 <asiekierka> I have an idea. Doh. You'll hate it, but... Combine Deadfish, Deadfish~ and HQ9+
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11:55:02 <asiekierka> Z - If the accumulator is non-zero, skip [the value of accumulator] commands.
11:55:08 <asiekierka> } - execute the next command [the value of accumulator] times.
11:58:47 <asiekierka> You can't go back, and that's the point too.
11:59:18 <oklopol> well duh. i meant a jump backwards.
11:59:41 <asiekierka> I'll add one more command to make it 13
12:00:02 <oklopol> just remove the squaring command
12:00:39 <oklopol> square does not preserve sign
12:02:22 <oklopol> a language with decrement + cubing and calculated gotos might be interesting
12:02:50 <asiekierka> If you don't like it, make one you like!
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17:35:50 <ais523> it's been nothing but quit/join/nick messages for too long now
17:36:45 <ehird`> ais523: LIES, DAMNED LIES, AND STATISTICS
17:37:07 <ais523> surely there are more sorts of lies than that
17:37:17 <ais523> and besides, statistics can be used to support any viewpoint, even the truth
17:42:42 <jix> but that's boring
17:43:19 <ais523> you could support the truth in an invalid way
17:43:38 <ais523> you know, like pointing out the strong negative correlation between pirates and global warning
17:43:52 <ais523> *warming, but actually I prefer the typo
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17:45:08 <oerjan> global waning, global warring, global whamming
17:46:14 <oerjan> global warping, of course
17:48:25 <oerjan> global farting (by cows)
17:48:37 <ais523> according to QI, termites are worse
17:49:56 <oerjan> i never meth ane termite that farted
17:50:15 <ais523> that pun was so bad it took me several seconds to get it
17:50:55 <oerjan> otoh i don't think we have termites in norway
17:51:30 * ais523 is trying to remember what a turmite is
17:51:37 * ais523 remembered while typing the previous comment
17:52:04 <ais523> it's a sort of cellular automaton in more than one dimension with movements like forward/back/turn left/turn right rather than up/down/left/right
17:52:18 <ais523> Langton's Ant is possibly the most famous example
17:52:44 <oerjan> you'd imagine so, by the name
17:53:41 <ais523> I wonder how usable-for-computation the Ant is
17:54:23 <ais523> there might be some way to set up some sort of infinite network with the ant moving from one cell to the next to simulate some sort of universal machine
17:54:30 <ais523> maybe a two-counter machine in the two dimensions?
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17:57:57 <pikhq> The Ant is Turing complete, so the answer is "very". :p
17:59:02 <pikhq> I thought it was nothing more than a 2-dimensional Turing machine.
17:59:13 <pikhq> Correct me if I'm wrong. ;)
17:59:22 <oerjan> it is not just any of them
17:59:24 <ais523> not all Turing machines are Turing complete
17:59:37 <ais523> otherwise winning $25000 would have been somewhat trivial
17:59:46 <oerjan> my impression from the wikipedia article is it may be unknown:
18:00:03 <oerjan> Other initial configurations seem eventually to converge to similar repetitive patterns suggesting that the "highway" is an attractor of Langton's ant, but no one has been able to prove that this is true for all initial configurations. It is only known that ant's trajectory is always unbounded regardless of the initial configuration
18:00:49 <oerjan> if it _is_ always true that it turns repetitive then it cannot be TC since you could solve the halting problem
18:01:13 <ais523> that would prove it couldn't be TC with a finitely-many-nonblank-cells initial condition
18:01:28 <ais523> a repeating pattern or a nested pattern might work
18:05:33 <ais523> the easiest way to get the Ant from place to place is to guide it along a one-pixel-wide path
18:05:47 <ais523> the problem with doing this is that the path moves one pixel sideways in the process
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21:05:58 <Sgeo> Slereah-, will DS install?
21:07:36 <Slereah-> What will be the point if I can't install C3 first?
21:08:27 <Sgeo> Why won't C3 install?
21:08:36 <Sgeo> And I've installed C3 after DS >.>
21:11:00 <Slereah-> Well, then again, it's only the autorun on the CD. Maybe ΅I can just launch the install directly, thinking about it
21:12:27 <Sgeo> Oh, when you get C3 installed, be sure to do Update 2
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