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13:31:07 <Hiato> Aah, wait, no, wait... he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?
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20:15:09 <ais523> I haven't seen them for 2 evenings now
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20:16:20 <Hiato1> It's the return of the:
20:16:21 <Hiato1> Aah, wait, no, wait... he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?
20:16:44 <Hiato1> Yay, someone's alive this time :)
20:16:57 * ais523 was just thinking the same thing
20:17:11 * Hiato1 can't believe his luck
20:17:43 <Hiato1> Could I ask you to "proof read" something for me, ais523
20:18:11 <Hiato1> well, it's my little foray into logic
20:18:22 <Hiato1> http://www.mediafire.com/?jnccmwnhhbl
20:18:47 <Hiato1> err... it's a word doc again - sorry about that :(
20:19:11 <ais523> where am I meant to click in mediafire to download it?
20:20:00 <Hiato1> Assuming you have JS enabled, you should briefly see a little progress bar, then a nice label saying "Click here to start download..."
20:20:13 <ais523> ah, it was JS enabling that was the problem
20:20:22 <ais523> but there really isn't a reason why downloads should require JS
20:20:29 <Hiato1> heh, or just you this: http://download64.mediafire.com/wl2bm3kjesjg/jnccmwnhhbl/Proof+that+every+logical+situation+resolves+itself+in+an+infinite+amount+of+time.doc
20:20:36 <Hiato1> yeah, lazy programmers I guess
20:21:17 <Hiato1> (PS: this will allow you to get my complex esolang doc that you couldn't yesterday - I think http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?brjyzjnj2fd)
20:23:32 <ais523> I don't follow the logic that if you have an undecidable statement, you can prove it true by showing it equivalent to itself given unlimited time
20:23:37 <ais523> I must have misunderstood that somehow
20:25:16 <Hiato1> Err.. I don't quite follow. What I merely meant was that if the statement will never stabilise in a "solution" form, then we can deem it to be stable in it's current form, as it can never progress from that. Therefore, in its current form it can be deemed to be solved and or reduced to an already solved situation
20:25:40 <ais523> what if the statement's undecidable, but it's impossible to prove that it's undecidable?
20:26:54 <Hiato1> Well, then that is rather conveniently such a situation. The very fact that you cannot decide either one way or another reduces it (on a meta-scale) to a situation described in point one :) As its process is dependant on its outcome
20:28:04 <Hiato1> am I making any sense at all?
20:28:26 <ais523> but I'm not sure whether what you're trying to prove is profound or obvious
20:28:34 <ais523> I'm not very good with logical philosophy that deep
20:29:11 <Hiato1> neither am I. The thing is, it's often very difficult to prove intuitive statements, much more so than counter intuitive ones
20:30:10 <Hiato1> So, having almost no philosophical knowledge, I set out to prove that, given an infinite amount of time, it shouldn't matter in what order you decide to tackle a problem whose solution is dependant on its process - but not the converse
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20:43:12 <ais523> tusho: ah, you're here
20:43:20 <ais523> I was beginning to worry that you'd been eaten by a grue
20:44:19 <ais523> anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago
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20:45:14 <Hiato1> Heh, your wit is dry, but I can stomach it :)
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20:45:31 <ais523> tusho: last thing you saw?
20:45:38 <tusho> ais523: afraid I'd been eaten by a grue
20:45:45 <ais523> <ais523> anyway, I pasted a bit of what I'd done so far on Feather a while ago
20:45:46 <ais523> [20:46] <ais523> specwise
20:45:48 <tusho> And besides, it's because yesterday I did this amazing thing called 'GOING OUTSIDE'
20:45:54 <ais523> I've changed my mind about several things, though
20:45:58 <ais523> tusho: even I do that sometimes
20:46:09 <ais523> several times today, in fact
20:46:20 <tusho> And today I did this thing called 'CONSIDERING GOING OUTSIDE', you know.
20:46:27 <ais523> besides I have to go outside to get from home to my Internet connection and vice versa
20:46:34 <tusho> Then I decided not to, because it's rainy.
20:46:54 <tusho> ais523: Is my perlnomic proposal passing? Am I late for my APOLOGY yet?
20:47:01 <tusho> (Not joining #ircnomic yet because of CRASH AND BURN)
20:47:21 <tusho> http://google.com/ is how I will open epiphany. Click click.
20:47:41 <tusho> ais523: alternatively konqueror will decide I should use it instead
20:47:41 <ais523> tusho: your proposals's at +4/-0/~0/9
20:47:52 <tusho> ais523: someone abstained before
20:47:58 <tusho> are there any comments?
20:48:13 <ais523> and you're right, +4/-0/~1/9
20:48:31 <ais523> hmm... Pavitra seems to misunderstand what abstains do in PerlNomic
20:48:37 <ais523> based on eir current draft proposal
20:48:43 <tusho> ais523: what does it do?
20:49:02 <ais523> it's like a vote against, but which doesn't penalise the submitter
20:49:10 <tusho> ais523: doesn't it reduce quorum?
20:49:12 <ais523> it allows them to retract it for free or submit a revised version
20:49:20 <tusho> ais523: then Pavitra is dumb
20:49:36 <tusho> Tue Jun 3 10:16:16 2008 - cull.cgi: abliss was culled.
20:49:38 <tusho> CANNIBALISTIC PERLNOMIC
20:49:45 <tusho> Or rather, frankensteinic perlnomic.
20:49:47 <tusho> Abliss is not a nomic.
20:50:02 <ais523> Wooble.ais523ForNotary is at +4/9, BTW
20:50:17 <ais523> but seeing as you're a candidate too, it's up to you whether you want to vote for or against that
20:50:37 <ais523> oh, and resolving the Agoran decision for Notary's going to be fun based on the way the conditional votes have been cast
20:50:45 <tusho> ais523: I would rather not be notary.
20:50:50 <tusho> I'd be fun, but annoying.
20:50:56 <tusho> 'I don't understand enough perl yet to actually implement it, but perhaps the dist_date property could be useful somehow?'
20:50:58 <tusho> that's a good idea
20:50:59 <ais523> well, you can vote for me on Agora and on PerlNomic
20:51:13 <ais523> if you don't want to get in yourself
20:51:29 <ais523> although I recommend on Agora that you do some sort of insane conditional vote like the others there
20:51:39 <ais523> I'm not sure if there are any non-conditional votes on that decision at present
20:51:50 <tusho> ais523: i'll condition on the modulo of a graham's number thingy
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20:56:06 <ais523> Wooble votes for me / I vote endorse Murphy or me if e doesnt' vote / OscarMeyr votes ehird iff I vote ais523, ais523 otherwise / root votes to make a player's votes prime if possible, otherwise for me / comex votes for me if the 196-sequence terminates, ehird otherwise, using a rules hack / Pavitra endorses comex
20:56:09 <tusho> what did I miss ais523?
20:56:20 <ais523> typing that long comment ready
20:56:25 <ais523> just try resolving /that/ mess of votes
20:56:54 <tusho> 'If <a zany condition from Sgeo's gamestate>, then I vote Murphy. Otherwise, I vote ais523.'
20:57:15 <ais523> but murphy isn't a candidate
20:57:23 <ais523> you're allowed to vote PRESENT, though, I think
20:57:27 <tusho> ais523: alls the better then
20:57:47 <ais523> what zany condition are you thinking of?
20:57:53 <ais523> and dare you change channel to one more appropriate?
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20:59:16 <tusho> FUCKING PEICE OF SHIT COMPUTER
20:59:26 <tusho> CAN'T EVEN GO 3 MINUTES WITHOUT CRASHING
20:59:32 <tusho> do you think I should try X now?
20:59:33 <ais523> [20:59] <ais523> what zany condition are you thinking of?
20:59:35 <ais523> [20:59] <ais523> and dare you change channel to one more appropriate?
20:59:47 <ais523> tusho: if you think your computer can handle it
20:59:53 <tusho> ais523: it might EXPLODE
21:00:07 <tusho> if I ever want to kill someone off, I'll send them this computer as a gift
21:00:16 <tusho> come back in a few weeks, they'll have hanged themselvse
21:00:28 <tusho> though hanging is perhaps not abrupt enough. Jumped off a bridge, maybe
21:00:35 <ais523> maybe it's one of the parts that's defective?
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21:00:38 <tusho> Or shot themselves.
21:00:39 <ais523> you could try running a memtest
21:00:44 <tusho> ais523: Most likely. The graphics card I'd bet
21:00:52 <tusho> It's pretty stable without X
21:01:00 <tusho> ais523: and yet windows works perfectly, I bet it knows my graphicscard bbetter
21:01:11 <ais523> do computers need graphics cards nowadays, or is it possible to do all the graphics card stuff in software?
21:01:24 <tusho> ais523: A lot of computers come with motherboard-built-in graphics cards.
21:01:37 <tusho> ais523: I do believe this is a built-in one.
21:01:41 <tusho> It's a 32mb SIS one.
21:01:56 <tusho> I could probably get a cheap 256mb one that is actually, you know, made by nvidia or someone.
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21:02:56 <tusho> The beautiful traffic examined my fall down as I fell upwards into the clouds which then burped me out onto the floor.
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21:05:18 <tusho> I FUCKING HATE COMPUTERS
21:05:24 <tusho> DIE, DIE YOU PEICE OF SHIT!
21:05:51 <tusho> ais523: I think I could use this computer as a defense if I go insane and kill someone
21:06:04 <tusho> it's pretty infuriating
21:07:27 <tusho> AND ALL YOUR MOLECULES
21:07:33 * tusho FUCKING KILLS SLEREAH
21:07:49 <ais523> tusho: you should have /nicked into allcaps before your last CTCP ACTION
21:07:54 <ais523> it just looks wrong as is
21:08:17 -!- tusho has changed nick to TUSHO.
21:08:19 <ais523> hmm... hardly anyone seems to have allcaps nicks
21:08:25 <TUSHO> AIS523: DON'T YOU FUCKING TELL ME WHAT TO DO
21:08:27 <TUSHO> YOU'RE JUST LIKE THAT COMPUTER
21:08:30 <TUSHO> 'OH YOU WILL CRASH NOW'
21:08:35 <TUSHO> 'YOU DONT' FEENEED THIS WEBSITE'
21:08:40 * TUSHO FUCKING KILLS AIS523
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21:09:05 * ais523 tries running apport from the command line to see what will happen
21:09:54 <ais523> the Ubuntu (possibly other Linux distros too) version of Dr. Watson
21:10:00 <ais523> generates bug reports from crashed programs
21:10:24 <ais523> the big difference is, Dr. Watson just sends an error report off to Microsoft and you never hear from it again
21:10:45 <ais523> whereas apport opens Launchpad with appropriate settings, allowing you to file a bug with debug data attached or to attach it to an existing bug
21:10:57 <tusho> ais523: dr watson is funny
21:11:03 <ais523> and also lets you know if other people are having the same problem
21:11:08 <tusho> I opened it by mistake when I was young and it scared the shit out of me
21:11:11 <tusho> I thought I broke the computer
21:11:20 <tusho> it was so menacing-looking, at least at the time
21:11:23 <ais523> what happens if you run it directly?
21:11:43 <tusho> ais523: it just starts up a debug console thingy
21:11:47 <tusho> with buttons and a text output pane and stuff
21:11:53 <tusho> I told it to run and the output pane flooded with stuff
21:11:56 <tusho> I got really scared :P
21:14:27 <tusho> ais523: hmph so what happenz in agora and b
21:14:41 <tusho> been out of the loop for >24 hrs, as you know
21:14:50 <ais523> except that someone's threatened to do something drastic if a particular proposal passes
21:15:01 <ais523> hasn't said what it is, but claims not to be bluffing
21:15:31 <ais523> Agora's mostly CFJ stuff and an insane Notary election
21:16:04 <tusho> ais523: let's pass that proposal!
21:16:11 <tusho> also, I actually want to write a website in Perl
21:16:14 <tusho> halp I'm going mad
21:16:37 <ais523> tusho: it's passing ATM, I think, it's the one which prevents criminals with unpaid fines voting
21:17:28 -!- ais523 has set topic: If I put this sentence in the topic, how soon will someone remove it? Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric.
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21:19:14 <tusho> "When one day Mac OS is unix-like, then I'll take an axe and chop my head in two." -Xah Lee
21:19:20 <tusho> oklofok: hello hotidlerchick
21:19:45 -!- lament has set topic: If I put this sentence in the topic, how soon will somebody replace it with a proof of Goldbach's conjecture? Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric.
21:20:10 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric.
21:20:14 <tusho> lament: never, or a very long time
21:20:21 <tusho> someone will remove it pretty quickly, though.
21:20:58 <lament> tusho: you have a one-track mind
21:21:11 <tusho> lament: seven-track
21:21:17 <lament> the gay sex track, and the removal of sentences from topics track
21:21:56 <tusho> lament: cool. let's have sex.
21:22:24 <lament> let's remove sentences from topics instead.
21:22:31 -!- tusho has set topic: ok.
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21:23:39 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences: This is a sentence. This sentence SHALL be removed. This sentence SHOULD be removed. This sentence CAN be removed. This sentence MAY be removed..
21:23:47 <tusho> ais523: you are not asierkerka
21:24:15 <ais523> there are many things I have claimed, but not that
21:24:15 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences: This is a sentence. THIS IS A SENTENCE APOCALYPSE, FUCK YEAH.
21:24:28 <tusho> ais523: asiekerka enjoyed putting 'contradictary' rules in the topic that weren't
21:24:34 <tusho> it reminded me of that
21:24:39 -!- lament has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | Removable sentences:.
21:25:08 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE.
21:25:17 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY.
21:25:25 <ais523> if anyone sees this message, please reply to it
21:25:32 <ais523> I have two channels here called #esoteric
21:25:36 <ais523> which is almost certainly a bug
21:26:22 <tusho> ais523: didn't see it
21:26:34 <ais523> did anyone get my message that said "if anyone sees this message, please reply to it"?
21:26:43 <ais523> seriously, because I'm investigating a strange bug in my client
21:26:53 <tusho> ais523: didn't see it! Sorry.
21:27:01 <ais523> I'm currently in #irp twice and #esoteric twice
21:27:37 <olsner> ais523: I only see you once
21:28:00 <ais523> hmm... other people's comments all appear in the first #esoteric
21:28:05 <ais523> but I can send a message from either
21:28:17 <olsner> so close the second one?
21:28:25 <tusho> olsner: what he said
21:28:31 <ais523> well, yes, that's an obvious workaround
21:28:33 <tusho> just report a bug :P
21:28:39 <ais523> but I'm more interested in what caused it in the first place
21:28:47 <ais523> and yes, this seems like a good chance to use apport
21:30:06 <ais523> someone CTCP me, please
21:30:25 <ais523> I just got a CTCP VERSION from lament in the second #esoteric
21:31:26 <olsner> this also ended up in the second window?
21:31:51 <ais523> wait, I'll focus the other window and then please try again
21:31:56 <ais523> OK, this is sent from the second tab
21:32:26 <lament> ais523: CTCP version is not channel specific, duh
21:32:37 <lament> it should appear in the active window
21:32:40 <lament> or in the status window
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21:43:34 <ais523> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163168
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21:47:49 <tusho> http://webkit.org/blog-files/squirrelfish.png JESUS CHRIST AAAH
21:48:27 <ais523> you don't like the logo, presumably
21:48:41 <tusho> ais523: IT SCARES ME
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21:51:52 <ais523> hmm... in the last 7 days, I created an account on both the Gnome and the KDE bug trackers
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22:10:17 <oklopol> there's like a thousand of me
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22:11:19 <tusho> hotidlerchick = oklopol. Solve for {}.
22:16:44 <tusho> oklopol: so a little explanation of hotidlerchick?
22:17:28 -!- ais523 has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY | How am I meant to be able to put a sentence into the topic without anyone noticing?.
22:17:46 <oklopol> tusho: i like your interpretation
22:18:03 -!- tusho has set topic: Logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric | INVISIBLE SENTENCE | LONGSENTENCE IS ... NOT LONG AT ALL ACTUALLY | you aren't.
22:20:29 <hotidlerchick> oklopol: you don't happen to have any pics of your tits?
22:22:46 <oklopol> yes but you need to pay cool money for those.
22:23:35 <ais523> oh, for a moment there I assumed ehird was one side of that conversation
22:23:37 <tusho> ITT: oklopol talks to himself
22:23:41 <ais523> but it's actually the same hostname on both sides...
22:24:17 <tusho> ais523: i assume it's his 'casually namedrop the girl sitting RIGHT NEXT TO ME' romp
22:24:29 <olsner> hmm, oklopol is female? or are we talking manboobs?
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22:25:35 <tusho> ais523 is not a fan of the gay sex
22:25:39 <tusho> olsner: oklopol is le male
22:27:48 <olsner> so, manboobs, in other words :(
22:27:55 <hotidlerchick> oklopol: manboobs aren't as hot as mine so the pics must be unworthy
22:28:35 <tusho> bsmntbombdood has real boobs, but he is male
22:28:47 <olsner> but I thought hotidlerchick and oklopol shared the same body ... so how can the hotness of their boobs differ?
22:31:10 <oklopol> beauty is in the eye of the beholder
22:32:04 <oklopol> tusho: spark is not limited to my house btw
22:32:43 <oklopol> in fact it's fairly omnipresent in this city
22:38:45 <tusho> bsmntbombdood: philisophical question.
22:38:54 <tusho> if there are no girls on the internet, surely you never want to ask for pix
22:40:10 <oklopol> there might be almost-girls
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22:40:57 <oklopol> i've seen my share of hot trannies
22:41:59 <tusho> oklopol: but it _is_ a trap, you know
22:50:34 <oklopol> because you can show only their female part in a pic, then reveal the rest?
22:50:56 <tusho> oklopol: Yes, it's a meme.
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22:56:19 <oerjan> a meme is a meme, or so it would seem
23:00:23 <oerjan> and no one will talk about memes, it seems
23:01:07 <tusho> oerjan: I do not like green eggs and ham
23:01:10 <tusho> I do not like them, sam i am
23:04:48 <tusho> oklopol: well mine is dr seuss day
23:05:36 <oerjan> i think that i shall never hear // a poem frightful as a bear
23:06:02 <oerjan> A bear whose hungry mouth is prest.
23:06:06 <oklopol> oerjan: i'm pretty sure it's not just-syntactic-rhyme day
23:06:33 <oerjan> what do you mean syntactic?
23:08:51 <oklopol> [heOEr] is a rabbity fellow, or hair
23:09:01 <oklopol> well hare, i guess i can type that one
23:10:49 <tusho> oerjan: earn snglish dpelling
23:11:25 <oerjan> that being the illogical one
23:13:37 <oerjan> that's the danger of having most of your english practice from reading and writing :(
23:13:40 <oklopol> that does suck about english, i wish i'd've learned a real language instead
23:13:59 <oklopol> i never checked it out before, because i was told it's extremely complicated
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23:14:11 <oklopol> but sofar seems pretty easy and clean
23:14:36 <oerjan> this is a meaning of "real" with which i was not previously familiar
23:15:06 <tusho> oerjan: this is oklopol-real
23:15:11 <tusho> he wants lojban to have _more abstract words_
23:15:14 <tusho> and less practical ones
23:16:23 <oerjan> ah, a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Cloudcuckoolander
23:16:51 <oklopol> well, lojban is good for real-world use, but its not all that interesting as such
23:17:20 <oklopol> which indeed is mainly because of it's vocabulary
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23:28:11 <tusho> <oklopol> well, lojban is good for real-world use
23:30:21 <tusho> oerjan: no okotowers?
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23:31:38 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKLEALITY is of course completely reasonable
23:32:03 <oerjan> well the word. the concept is rather horrible to the mind.
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23:34:38 * oerjan was worried that increased okodensity had caused oklopol to collapse into a black hole there
23:35:16 <oklopol> you and your crazy shenanigan
23:36:40 <oerjan> perhaps it should be just OKOALITY
23:37:17 <oerjan> to keep the analogy to reality and wikiality clear
23:38:11 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:13 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:17 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:18 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:22 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:23 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:27 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:28 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:31 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:32 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:37 <tusho> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:42 <oerjan> OKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOALITY
23:38:50 <tusho> WE WERE GOING DOWN OERJAN
23:39:13 <oerjan> i removed four letters but forgot i had just preemptively added them :(
23:40:41 <oerjan> remember, preemptive action is bad for your health
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23:42:36 * oerjan notes that the okokollapse theory is verified
23:44:48 * lament contemplates banning *!*@*
23:46:14 <tusho> lament: if you don't do it I WILL
23:46:51 <lament> let's share the workload
23:46:57 <lament> i ban *!*@*, you kill yourself
23:48:04 <lament> oerjan: i'm rewriting my entire application from automatic to manual garbage collection because otherwise i can't link with a manually-collected third-party library.
23:49:10 <oerjan> i see. so you really just want to kill the library author.
23:49:14 <tusho> lament: i did the deal, now do it
23:50:38 <lament> oerjan: well, i want to kill apple most of all for not allowing to combine different GC strategies in one process
23:50:55 <tusho> lament: at least it's not windows, right?
23:50:57 <lament> the library author is not really at fault
23:51:15 <lament> they shouldn't have to distribute two different binaries
23:51:39 <lament> especially since the library is a plugin to be installed by regular end users
23:52:25 <tusho> lament: though I certainly won't argue that apple has a lot of braindead stuff.
23:52:26 <lament> i'm willing to tolerate a lot of evil from objc because it's after all C. It feels warm and fuzzy. The compiler is gcc. The debugger is gdb.
23:53:05 <tusho> lament: c feels warm and fuzzy? Oh-kay.
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23:54:02 <lament> even if c# is better in every way (which it is)
23:54:32 <tusho> lament: c# is god awful.
23:54:40 <lament> really? it's better than most languages
23:54:47 <tusho> most languages are unspeakably awful
23:55:02 <tusho> (don't expect me to defend this, btw, it's midnight and yesterday is catching up to me)
23:55:18 <lament> for writing a large app, c#+visual studio seems an excellent choice
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23:55:53 <lament> of course, it's evil and closed source and windows only so i wouldn't use it for any hobby projects
23:58:07 <tusho> lament: now ban *!*@*
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23:59:44 <ihope> Suddenly, I have the idea for an esolang where everything interesting happens due to rounding error.