00:01:02 <ihope> The universe could be the error someone's producing while trying to calculate the sine function, I guess.
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00:43:13 <tusho> oerjan: OK, fuck you. That tv tropes wiki is addictive
00:43:23 <tusho> Can't...stop...clicking...
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00:45:24 <tusho> oerjan: my tab bar ... is full
00:45:32 <tusho> this is like when I click an everything2 link
00:45:43 <tusho> it's like calling a function and never returning...ever
00:48:13 <oerjan> "I thought Wikipedia was crack, but this place beats it hands down." - dmmaus, aka David Morgan-Mar
00:48:35 <tusho> oerjan: yeah, wikipedia isn't _that_ addictive
00:48:40 <tusho> i mostly only have about 3 tabs of it
00:49:01 <oerjan> his IWC site is where i found tv tropes from, i think
00:49:22 <tusho> oerjan: i could never read IWC regularly
00:49:37 <tusho> [to read, regualrly]
00:52:55 <tusho> oerjan: I was just contnitung my tpyo-combo
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00:55:13 <oerjan> it's hard for us compulsive link-followers - i used to read print encyclopedias that way, years before finding the internet
00:55:38 <tusho> oerjan: god DAMNIT, I CANNOT HANDLE THIS MANY TABS
00:55:44 <tusho> it is almost 1am I will never finish reading all these
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00:56:52 <oerjan> i read a tip for tvtropes on the iwc forum: unplug your network connection and don't put it back in until you've closed all the tabs
00:57:15 <tusho> oerjan: very clever
00:57:20 <tusho> but then i'd LOSE IRC
00:57:37 <oerjan> a bit of a problem there
00:57:48 <tusho> oerjan: I think I need a seperate browser instance so that I don't lose all my other stuff to it
00:58:02 <tusho> whoa, a lemon demon quote
00:59:13 <oerjan> anyway your complaint made me open a tvtropes page myself so chances are i'll pay for this...
01:00:00 <oerjan> although after several iterations i _think_ i may be getting better at not clicking there...
01:01:22 <tusho> oerjan: you could write a greasemonkey script to delink all of the links
01:01:32 <tusho> unless you solve, for example, a tricky mathematical equation first
01:01:46 <tusho> and type 'I promise that I do not have anything better to do.' byte-for-byte
01:02:13 <oerjan> i see you are getting desperate :D
01:03:25 <oerjan> of course, for me this _usually_ ends with me closing everything
01:03:50 <oerjan> in a show of pure willpower
01:04:03 <tusho> oerjan: i have absolutely no willpower
01:04:07 <tusho> see what you have done?!
01:04:36 <oerjan> oh and i have absolutely no knowledge of greasemonkey, and i'm one of the insane people who use IE (it wasn't always that way)
01:04:56 <oklofok> this timecube guy has some serious communication issues.
01:05:18 <tusho> oklofok: you don't say
01:05:20 <oklofok> his nonsense is of incredibly low quality
01:05:25 <tusho> oerjan: wait, you use WINDOWS? eww!
01:05:35 <tusho> I thought you were INTELLIGENT!
01:05:37 <oerjan> i don't have that much willpower either incidentally, but you only need to do it once
01:05:49 <oerjan> that wasn't always the case either
01:06:28 <tusho> oerjan: what, did the cabal of the mathematical society force you to torture yourself?
01:07:27 <oerjan> no, i got this laptop as a present with XP preinstalled, and i'm too lazy to install linux again
01:08:13 <oklofok> in my experience, IE is byfar the best browser there is :)
01:09:42 <oklofok> it seems like he's saying something like academia teaching about god
01:10:32 <oklofok> but he mostly talks about singularity
01:11:07 <tusho> oklofok: gene ray gave himself the title 'Doctor of Cubism' because academia was too corrupt and evil to give it to him.
01:11:15 <tusho> and he used to advocate marbles tournaments before that.
01:11:18 <tusho> so, uh, yeah, good luck
01:11:43 <tusho> oklofok: oh, and -1*-1=1 is STUPID and EVIL.
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01:22:36 <tusho> oerjan: i figured out what I want to do in life
01:22:43 <tusho> I want to make a series that alternates from doing all these tropes
01:22:49 <tusho> at different and overlapping times
01:22:54 <tusho> just to confuse the fuck out of everyone
01:23:15 <oklopol> i wanna meet this timecube guy
01:24:24 <tusho> oklopol: he did some debates at mit
01:24:33 <tusho> he's a straight, plain crackpot
01:25:08 <tusho> http://www.timecube.com/TheWisestHuman_newimg_GeneRayCube.jpg pretty much says it all
01:25:57 <tusho> oklopol: HOLY CRAP HE LINKS TO A PARODY SITE
01:28:45 <oklopol> at least you can tell right away he doesn't understand math at all for that -1*-1=-1 thingie
01:29:45 <oklopol> that really means nothing, except perhaps suggesting a new set of axioms for integers
01:30:19 <tusho> oklopol: oh my wow, apparently cubicao.tk is _serious_
01:30:21 <tusho> and the website owner is dead
01:39:14 <tusho> cubicao.tk is _serious_
01:39:17 <tusho> and the website owner killed himself
01:39:21 <tusho> because gene ray insulted him
01:39:53 <tusho> ... ok, so he is alive
01:40:04 <tusho> oklopol: this forum is a fucking confusing blend of satire and seriousness
01:40:57 <tusho> oklopol: ... OR, he is dead
01:42:03 <oerjan> tusho: this being one of those quantum things?
01:42:12 <tusho> oerjan: i have no fucking idea
01:42:27 <tusho> 1. some people believe in cubism, or if they don't, they are incredibly convincing of it and keep the act on an awful lot of the time
01:43:17 <oerjan> s/cubism/a flat Earth/, or so i vaguely recall hearing :D
01:43:40 <tusho> oerjan: yeah, but cubism is a little more ridiculous
01:43:45 <tusho> not in the beliefs but in the dogma sources
01:44:00 <oklopol> his main argument seems to be that there are actually 4 24 hour days within one rotation of the earth
01:44:16 <oklopol> also, that nuclear waste shouldn't be buried under earth's crust
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01:44:55 <tusho> In conclusion, http://blog.esaba.com/projects/catphotos/catimagessimple2/206746.jpg
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01:47:06 * oerjan now clicked on tusho's link, seems safer
01:47:19 <tusho> oerjan: .jpg's don't tend to have links, I find
01:48:09 * oerjan repeats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken for anyone who missed it last time, as it seemed relevant
01:48:56 <tusho> oerjan: ok, not only does this Cubehead cubicao.tk owner really believe it
01:48:58 <tusho> but he's _really_ dead
01:49:08 <tusho> he _really_ killed himself because of gene ray condemning him
01:49:17 <tusho> gene ray recieved suicide notes over email from him and did nothing, his biggest follower
01:49:19 <tusho> and before he died
01:49:22 <tusho> he turned to christianity
01:49:27 <tusho> I wish I were fucking kidding
01:50:41 <tusho> "Mike also spent his time preening and attempting to peck for food with his neck.[3]" aww
01:51:19 <oklopol> God created only a single 24 hour day
01:51:19 <oklopol> rotation of Earth, while I have created
01:51:19 <oklopol> 4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a
01:51:20 <oklopol> single rotation of Earth - therefore, I
01:51:22 <oklopol> am wiser than the word god, and all
01:51:30 * oklopol is so going to create 17 simultaneous 24 hour days
01:56:07 <oerjan> oklopol: it fit with tusho's .jpg link
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17:30:32 <tusho> do you think this will crash again?
17:30:50 <augur> damn you oklopol! :|
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17:43:48 <tusho> augur: Crashy computer is very crash
17:44:07 <augur> esoeval: tusho == oklopol
17:46:32 <tusho> Slereah-: ehird == tusho.
17:50:10 <Hiato> In the end, you are the only person missing from the group of all the people that you're not, hence you're an individual, just like everyone else :)
17:50:26 <tusho> Hiato 2 Electric boogaloo
17:51:25 <Hiato> but yes, I'm also perplexed as to this identity crisis. tush != ehird {print "Understood";};{print "Whycome?";}}
17:51:55 <Hiato> meh, too many typos spoil the broth
17:52:10 <tusho> tusho=ehird very much so
17:52:34 <Hiato> and, one more thing. tusho: what on god's gracious earth does your previous statement mean?
17:53:13 <tusho> Hiato's confusion 2: Electric Boogaloo
17:54:19 <augur> where is oklopol!? :(
17:54:38 <augur> i think haskell should be classified as an esolang.
17:55:18 <Slereah-> It has arithmetic operators and all! :o
17:56:10 <tusho> haskell ain't esoteric by any stretch of the mind
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18:05:03 <Slereah-> Maybe it would be awesomely easy to write limp in scheme or something.
18:05:32 <Slereah-> Python doesn't seem like the kind of thing for it.
18:06:42 <tusho> Slereah-: do it in limp
18:07:30 <Slereah-> Self interpreters don't work without the interpreter first :o
18:07:36 <tusho> Slereah-: yes they do
18:07:42 <tusho> you just procrastinate on actually writing the interpreter
18:07:49 <tusho> maybe someone else will do it for you
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18:10:06 <ais523> you can compile a self-interp into some other language and run it that way
18:10:14 <ais523> that doesn't require you to have an interp first, just a compiler
18:11:59 <Slereah-> But well, I think with scheme or something, it probably won't be too bad.
18:12:10 <Slereah-> It's already based on function definitions and lambdas.
18:12:21 <Slereah-> Just need to think up for the pi.
18:14:12 <Slereah-> Hell, maybe I'll take the even lazier way, too.
18:14:26 <Slereah-> Write it in python, to translate the program into scheme.
18:28:50 <tusho> AIS523 IS HERE AND I'M NOT CRASHING
18:29:26 <ais523> it's because so far today I haven't acknowledged your existence in the channel, as soon as I make this comment it'll probably cause your computer to crash based on precedent
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18:30:09 <ais523> nah, that looks nothing like a quit message on my computer
18:30:59 <tusho> ais523: hey, got that fake paypal-domain-a around?
18:31:14 <ais523> I don't understand what you're refering to
18:31:18 <ais523> so the answer is probably no
18:31:31 <Slereah-> It's okay ais523, we're not going to snitch on you
18:31:43 <Slereah-> You can tell us of your fellonies
18:31:52 <ais523> but what if I don't have any?
18:31:59 <tusho> ais523: the unicode 'a' that was used in the fake 'paypal.com' domain
18:32:18 <ais523> ah, I can probably find some very a-like character if I look hard enough
18:32:44 <Slereah-> But would it display as a in most computers?
18:33:04 <Slereah-> Browsers seem to not like unicode that much
18:33:34 <ais523> Well, there's a fake letter ａ in this sentence but it looks really different in this font
18:34:10 <ais523> does it look like an a to other people?
18:34:15 <tusho> /me has quit (CONNECTION RESET BY TUSHO FOR NOT BELIEVING MY QUIT, HA)
18:34:16 <Slereah-> It displays as 1/2 a square here
18:34:24 <tusho> ais523: it looks like an a but really different
18:34:29 <tusho> it's the Shift-JIS a, i believe
18:34:39 <augur> no hes finnish not norwegian
18:34:41 <tusho> excuse me may i pass through here
18:34:46 <tusho> doesn't copy-paste properly
18:34:49 <augur> i dont think they have fjords in fi- OH I SEE
18:34:51 <Asztal> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack
18:35:04 <augur> ::is on that graph::
18:35:04 <ais523> well, this capital Α looks a lot more realistic
18:36:15 <tusho> heh, I want rnozilla.org
18:36:29 <ais523> does anyone have it yet?
18:36:52 <ais523> that's possibly trademark infringement, you have to be careful
18:36:52 <tusho> ais523: urgh they own it
18:36:57 <tusho> mr mozilla corporation
18:37:07 <tusho> what's wrong with saying R N Z I L L A?
18:37:23 <ais523> if it's similar-looking enough to a trademark, and you use it for similar things, it's an infrigement
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18:37:43 <tusho> ais523: trademark law is phunny
18:37:44 <ais523> likewise if it's similar-sounding
18:39:23 <tusho> ais523: whut is this: http://pt.wíkipedia.org/
18:39:24 <Asztal> I wonder if you can register domain names that are canonically equivalent to an existing domain name, but not the exact same sequence of bytes
18:39:30 <tusho> uncyclopedia clone?
18:45:11 <tusho> ais523: i have an evil perl idea
18:45:33 * ais523 wonders how evil it is and the chances that it's already been done
18:45:42 <tusho> ais523: it involves source filters
18:45:54 <ais523> well, several evil Perl things do
18:46:00 <ais523> ACME::Pythonic for instance
18:46:19 <tusho> ais523: it uses source filters to create a content management system
18:46:39 <tusho> ais523: #ircnomic-flood for an example
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18:49:25 <tusho> you know the worst thing? i'm actually considering making my site like that
18:49:40 <tusho> ais523: it'd be slightly less evil if you put it all after __END__
18:49:44 <ais523> that's much the same as using __END__
18:50:01 <tusho> ais523: come on, are you no golfer?
18:50:16 <tusho> ais523: can you even use DATA in an imported module anyway?
18:50:20 <ais523> hmm... but you need more extra code in the library if you do that
18:50:20 <tusho> it'd have to be like
18:50:27 <tusho> #!/usr/bin/env perl
18:50:31 <tusho> use ArticleThingy;
18:50:38 <tusho> print_it_out(DATA);
18:50:44 <tusho> which is FAR LESS EVIL
18:51:40 <ais523> of course, in #esoteric, that's a downside
18:51:49 <tusho> ais523: ok, but I wouldn't actually want to write my site like that
18:51:59 <tusho> my way saves 2 lines
18:52:08 <tusho> you just have to add two lines to the start of your doc, really
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18:53:32 <tusho> ais523: should I actually use my evil way to write my website
18:53:43 <ais523> which website, anyway?
18:53:52 <tusho> ais523: probably, yeah
18:54:03 <tusho> oh, and mine can even embed arbitary perl
18:54:09 <tusho> as Template Toolkit has a [% PERL %] block
18:54:23 <tusho> so you can do cgis with it and stuff
18:55:45 <ais523> what about messing with the headers?
18:55:52 <ais523> CGIs need to do that sometimes
18:57:28 <tusho> ais523: it would check if it's already sent I guess
18:57:38 <tusho> so that it only sends them if you didn't manually
18:57:55 <tusho> ais523: 'sub post_stuff($$$$$$$$$$$$$$)' -- wakaba source
18:57:57 <ais523> in PHP you need to write the <?php right at the start of the file to change the headers, because it sends them before you write any print characters
18:58:01 <tusho> bit too many arguments.
18:58:12 <ais523> so it gets screwed up by byte-order marks
18:58:14 <tusho> ais523: mine will buffer all output before sending it, though
18:58:19 <tusho> (you can tell php to do that too)
18:59:55 <tusho> ais523: the weird thing about perl is that evil hacks aren't 'non-best-practices'
19:00:04 <tusho> because the 'do what works and damn everyone else' attitude is encouraged
19:00:18 <tusho> because i'm so used to hearing "why do you want to do that?"
19:02:25 <tusho> ais523: well, I guess you like this because it means eso-std.org will be written
19:02:47 <ais523> well, it's appropriate for a website about esolangs
19:03:00 <ais523> less so for a website about, say, coding practices
19:03:02 <tusho> first, though, i'm going to write a storygen clone (to get my CGI.pm skillz) and some kind of command-line text adventure game in perl
19:03:07 <tusho> since I am le noob
19:03:32 <Slereah-> What, I go eating and you start to talk?
19:03:52 <ais523> hey, there was a conversation in here when I /got here/
19:03:54 <tusho> we hate you Slereah-
19:03:54 <ais523> that hardly ever happens
19:04:13 <ais523> tusho: speak for yourself
19:05:13 <tusho> quite often in fact
19:06:37 <ais523> hmm... newspaper appears to be a better surface to use as a mousemat than leather
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19:10:16 <tusho> ais523: perl is such a horrific lovely language.
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19:10:38 <ais523> it's true to what it was designed for
19:11:00 <tusho> ais523: i'm gonna complain to pavitra about his vote
19:11:03 <tusho> i.e. explain what abstain means
19:11:34 <Slereah-> Why is the first line I see "It's like anal sex"
19:11:47 <tusho> [[Pavitra: In perlnomic, 'abstain' means 'revise this proposal': not 'no real opinion, reduce quorum'. Your current draft proposal seems to imply you believe it is, or should be, the latter. If this is news to you, could you flip your vote to for? Thanks.]]
19:11:54 <ais523> laments comment appears to be completely out of contet
19:12:02 <tusho> i don't think there's any errors with that
19:12:09 <ais523> tusho: explain that's for PerlNomic proposals, it has the regular meaning in Agora-mirrored proposals
19:12:10 <tusho> ais523: it was re my perl remark
19:12:29 <tusho> [[(Oh, but Agoran proposals use it to mean 'reduce quorum'. This is confusing, go figure.)]]
19:12:31 <ais523> possibly point to the human_readable_rules too
19:14:06 <ais523> yep, I actually knew you'd commented before you did
19:14:25 <ais523> I have my RSS feed reader set up to alert me within a few minutes whenever anything happens on PerlNomic, and it got the timing just right
19:14:44 <ais523> s/before you did/before you told me/
19:15:00 <tusho> ais523: you are very sad
19:15:11 <ais523> not really, it was easy to set up
19:15:35 <tusho> ais523: what feed reader do you use?
19:15:51 <ais523> it was the only one on here
19:15:58 <ais523> and it seems to work fine
19:16:49 <tusho> Sheesh: Liferea won't notify me of updates.
19:16:52 <tusho> It doesnt' have an option for it
19:17:06 <tusho> Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get
19:17:06 <tusho> ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/P/PM/PMQS/CHECKSUMS
19:17:08 <ais523> [Error] Sheesh: No such nick/channel.
19:17:36 <ais523> Akregator sits in the notification area and shows a number when there are updates
19:18:07 <ais523> oh, and both Akregator and Konversation can be sucked into their notification area icon to unclutter the taskbar if needed
19:26:13 <tusho> ais523: #perl is utterly unhelpful.
19:26:24 <ais523> what did you try to ask them?
19:26:33 <tusho> ais523: why cpan is hanging:
19:26:33 <tusho> 'Trying with "/usr/bin/lynx -source" to get ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/authors/id/P/PM/PMQS/CHECKSUMS [And then, CPAN hangs]'
19:27:00 <ais523> it's not as if I ever use CPAN anyway
19:27:13 <tusho> ais523: everyone uses cpan.
19:27:14 <ais523> most of the more popular Perl models are in the Ubuntu repos so I get them that way
19:27:16 <tusho> you don't, but everyone does.
19:27:44 <ais523> $ apt-cache search perligata
19:27:44 <ais523> libromana-perligata-perl - perl module for writing in Latin
19:28:14 <tusho> ais523: does it have continuity?
19:28:25 <ais523> what do you mean by continuity here?
19:29:08 <ais523> an apt-cache search on the word "continuity" only turns up Seamonkey, which uses that word incidentally in its description
19:29:18 <tusho> ais523: it's a perl module.
19:29:25 <ais523> no, it doesn't have it
19:29:29 * ais523 does apt-cache search the
19:29:35 <ais523> and gets a massive list back
19:31:18 <ais523> "<perlbot> Don't parse html with regular expressions!" yes, although I occasionally parse XML with regular expressions when it's in a known format and I only want to grab a bit of the data
19:31:42 <tusho> ais523: haha, are you in #perl now
19:31:48 <ais523> otherwise, I use JSON, JavaScript has a built in JSON parser and it's the lang I normally use
19:31:54 <ais523> tusho: I'm just lurking
19:31:55 <tusho> # Error: Can't locate Coro/Event.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/lib /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/arch /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/ehird/.cpan/build/Continuity-0.993/blib/lib/Continuity.pm line 201.
19:31:59 <tusho> fdfdfdfdfsdfsdfsdgffdgsfgsdfgfsdgsf
19:32:03 <tusho> I INSTALLED CORO::EVENT
19:32:11 <ais523> for things that tend to receive the sort of object that's normally written in HTML, that is
19:33:04 <tusho> ais523: JSON is le cool.
19:33:29 <ais523> XML is a markup language, whereas JSON is a serialisation language
19:33:37 <ais523> but people tend to use XML where JSON would be appropriate
19:33:56 <ais523> is there a JSON version of XSLT, I wonder?
19:33:56 <tusho> JSON isn't revolutionary though.
19:34:01 <tusho> It's pretty damn uncontroversial.
19:34:08 <tusho> ais523: uhh, yeah. They call them 'programming languages'
19:34:30 <ais523> no, I mean in particular
19:34:33 <ais523> rather than in general
19:34:53 <ais523> like some version of XSLT that can read JSON rather than XML
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19:38:05 <tusho> WOO CONTINUITY INSTALLS
19:39:00 <Slereah-> What's a good Scheme tutorial?
19:42:20 <Slereah-> "SYNDICAT INDEPENDANT DES COMMISSAIRES DE POLICE"?
19:42:22 <tusho> it's heavy on the theory.
19:42:35 <tusho> also, if you read your SICP today, you are an EXPERT PROGRAMMER
19:42:39 <Slereah-> "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs
19:42:41 <tusho> Slereah-: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/
19:42:48 <lament> Slereah-: you have to read SICP anyway
19:42:52 <tusho> http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html oh lawd is 'dat sum full text?
19:42:59 <lament> it's not about scheme, it's about life, the universe and everything
19:43:10 <lament> but you learn scheme as a side effect
19:43:39 <Slereah-> With the arabic dude and the fat French revolutionary woman.
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19:45:26 <Slereah-> "This book is dedicated, in respect and admiration, to the spirit that lives in the computer."
19:45:42 <Slereah-> I hope I don't have a ghost in my computer.
19:46:36 <Slereah-> Is it... actually about Scheme?
19:46:44 <Slereah-> I fail to see the word in the index.
19:48:07 <tusho> Slereah-: All the code is in scheme.
19:48:12 <tusho> Read it from the beginning.
19:48:37 <ais523> Technical Information (for support personnel)
19:48:37 <ais523> * Go to Microsoft Product Support Services and perform a title search for the words HTTP and 404.
19:48:45 <ais523> from a Microsoft 404 page
19:49:04 <ais523> I expected some actual technical information in the technical information section...
19:49:05 <tusho> Slereah-: Besides, GJS, one of the writers, invented scheme.
19:49:13 <tusho> Along with Guy Steele
19:49:34 <tusho> The other ones are not that godly, they're merely complete gurus of scheme. :P
19:49:43 <tusho> Slereah-: Yes, and he now works at sun/.
19:49:49 <tusho> Doing java shit, of all things.
19:49:51 <tusho> He helped make java.
19:50:25 * Slereah- imagines Steel Guy, working on the sun
19:50:47 <Slereah-> Probably punching nuns and orphans.
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19:54:31 <tusho> ais523: eso-std.org's pastebin will be AMAZINGLY AWESOME.
19:55:07 <ais523> hmm... I may have to write an INTERCAL syntax highlighter for it
19:55:15 <ais523> although you could just use the Emacs mode, it gets things mostly right
19:55:33 <Slereah> I lost all hope of ever seeing it!
19:55:49 <ais523> hey, the C-INTERCAL development sources are stored there at the moment
19:56:07 <ais523> so you can check out an unreleased under-development version if you like
19:56:18 <ais523> which is quite a way ahead of the previous release by now
20:00:03 <Slereah> "Computational processes are abstract beings that inhabit computers."
20:00:13 <Slereah> Reading this, I imagine a lot of ghosts in the computer
20:00:26 <Slereah> Is Steel Guy fighting those evil goblins?
20:01:20 <tusho> ais523: how do I pass a variable reference to a sub and use it in perl again?
20:01:43 <ais523> there are two ways, I'll tell you the way that doesn't involve prototypes as it's clearer
20:01:56 <ais523> you call the sub as subname(\$var)
20:02:05 <Slereah> "In effect, we conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells."
20:02:13 <ais523> when inside the sub, you assign that reference to a variable using my $reftovar = shift;
20:02:15 <Slereah> This isn't a book about life, the universe and the rest.
20:02:20 <ais523> and use the variable as $$reftovar
20:02:25 <tusho> Slereah: shut up and read.
20:02:29 <Slereah> It's the rulebook of Scheme or something
20:02:51 <tusho> Methinks that constantly being cynical for the sake of it while reading SICP will not help you learn schem,e
20:03:04 <Slereah> Yes, but it helps me to lulz
20:03:23 <tusho> Slereah: I assume you are trying to learn Scheme instead of 'lulz'.
20:03:28 <tusho> If that is the case, I'd change your strategy.
20:03:34 <Slereah> "A computational process is indeed much like a sorcerer's idea of a spirit."
20:03:51 <Slereah> He hangs on hard to his metaphore.
20:05:04 <tusho> Slereah: Look, it's the metaphor that SICP is based around.
20:05:11 <tusho> Take it seriously even if it has more than a trace of whimsy.
20:05:38 <Slereah> So... what's Scheme in the metaphore?
20:06:14 <Slereah> "They are carefully composed from symbolic expressions in arcane and esoteric programming languages"
20:06:31 <ais523> that's a different meaning of 'esoteric', right?
20:06:47 <Slereah> But it still made me laugh.
20:07:00 <tusho> Slereah: Can you just read instead of asking us?
20:07:43 <ais523> well, it's lead to an interesting conversation, well, argument
20:09:34 <tusho> ais523: Hm. How can I does keyword args in perl?
20:09:39 <tusho> Does %_ work or must I manually convert it?
20:10:16 <ais523> well, if the args are given as (name1 => arg1, name2 => arg2) and so on
20:10:21 <ais523> and you know you're getting keyword args
20:10:28 <ais523> then you can do my %_ = @_
20:10:39 <tusho> my ($q, $title, %_) = @_;
20:11:01 <tusho> I'll call it %actions I guess
20:11:03 <ais523> if you call it as ($q, $title, name1 => arg1, name2 => arg2)
20:11:22 <ais523> => is really a fancy-looking comma, but it also causes barewords before it to be interpreted as strings
20:11:26 <ais523> which looks slightly nicer
20:11:50 <ais523> oh, BTW, KDE fixed Bug 163168 already
20:11:58 <ais523> that was fast, I only reported it yesterday
20:13:42 <ais523> not allowing queries to channels
20:13:48 <ais523> which doesn't make sense
20:14:08 <tusho> for my $action (keys %actions) {
20:14:11 <tusho> is there something fishy with that?
20:14:11 <ais523> what I did turned out to be a convoluted way to write /query #esoteric
20:14:13 <tusho> it's parsing oddly
20:14:31 <ais523> try dumping %actions to see if it's what you expect it to be
20:14:38 <tusho> ais523: no, it's a parse error.
20:14:50 <ais523> what's the error message?
20:14:52 <tusho> %q{...} isn't a string?
20:14:56 <tusho> syntax error at hello.pl line 32, near "%q{"
20:15:12 <ais523> what's immediately before that?
20:15:23 <tusho> $q->print(%q{<input type="submit" name="do" value="$action">});
20:15:41 <tusho> It's a quoted string thing
20:16:09 <tusho> ais523: is there a q that does interpolation?>
20:16:31 <ais523> also known as " but sometimes, like here, you don't want to use that
20:16:59 <ais523> of the quoting characters, ' defaults to q, " defaults to qq, ` defaults to qx, / defaults to m
20:17:33 <tusho> ais523: hmph, I can't use %actions
20:17:51 <ais523> for my $action (sort keys %actions) {
20:18:00 <tusho> ais523: I need it sorted in call order.
20:18:04 <tusho> So: Manual processing, here I come.
20:18:12 <ais523> oh, yes, hashes are unordered
20:18:22 <ais523> what if someone does the same action twice?
20:18:29 <tusho> ais523: you don't.
20:18:41 <tusho> ais523: hm, how do I get index & value in a loop over an array?
20:18:44 <tusho> I'll just check for oddity.
20:18:51 <tusho> er, evenity because of 0-indexing
20:19:32 <ais523> well, it's possible to do things like while(@_) {my $index = shift; my $value = shift;}
20:19:46 <ais523> remove elements from the array one at a time
20:26:47 <Slereah> "A small bug in a computer-aided design program, for example, can lead to the catastrophic collapse of an airplane or a dam or the self-destruction of an industrial robot."
20:29:02 <Slereah> Is there really need for a context?
20:29:12 <tusho> ihope: Slereah is reading SICP and failing to learn scheme because he's busy making fun of it
20:29:50 <Slereah> Well, it's not my fault that it's so funny!
20:30:07 <tusho> only 'cause you're making fun of it.
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20:31:36 <Slereah> You can't put robots in a book not about robots without making it funny!
20:33:00 <augur> where is my oklopol?! :(
20:33:51 <tusho> augur: Gay sexing, presumably.
20:33:58 <tusho> It's all he ever does.
20:34:01 <augur> i want his gaysexing :(
20:36:17 <tusho> HanDongSeong: welcome to #esoteric
20:36:28 <tusho> were you expecting perhaps non-gay-sex-related discussions?
20:36:29 <ais523> this channel ought not to be like that
20:36:45 <tusho> ais523: aww, but it's fun
20:36:49 <ais523> it would be nice if we could, for once, actually discuss esolangs
20:36:50 <Slereah> It should have more robot discussions.
20:37:00 <tusho> HanDongSeong: I was responding to '...'
20:37:12 <tusho> we just also discuss gay sex, and sometimes the blend of the two
20:37:13 <ais523> tusho: you should have said "You must be new here"
20:37:20 <tusho> ais523: that's longer
20:37:36 <ais523> yes, but it has the right meaning
20:37:43 <ais523> getting the right meaning is pretty important in programming
20:38:16 <tusho> ais523: i'll ambiguate up your syntax parser
20:38:19 <tusho> if you know what I mean.
20:38:32 <augur> ais doesnt realize we're actually discussiong the ButtSex esolang
20:38:33 <ais523> I don't know what you mean
20:38:52 <HanDongSeong> last time when i was here i couldn't sense a shade of gay stuff
20:39:02 <ais523> it's become a new meme
20:39:07 <ais523> and not a particularly interesting one
20:39:14 <tusho> ais523: it's not a meme
20:39:19 <tusho> it's just what oklopol and bsmntbombdood did in their spare time
20:39:31 <HanDongSeong> well, about a year ago some people actually discussed about the sex ratio of this channel
20:39:33 <augur> your name is HanDongSeong and you couldn't send the gayness?
20:40:00 <ais523> as far as I could tell the channel was almost but not quite 100% male back then
20:40:05 <augur> do you know what a DONG is?
20:40:10 <tusho> ais523: still is, almost
20:40:14 <tusho> a few females in here
20:40:24 <augur> there are GIRLS who do esolangs? what nonsense is this
20:40:27 <tusho> Fun note: when I was processing the logs for ROBOT9000 lament said something along the lines of that it would be nice if we discussed esolangs at one point instead of manga and our lack of social lives
20:40:40 <tusho> so I wouldn't say much as changed, if you replace manga and the lack of our social lives with gay sex
20:40:44 <ais523> did you actually put a robot9000 version in here?
20:40:50 <tusho> ais523: nope, it segfaulted
20:40:58 <ihope> I guess it's possible that lament's female.
20:41:11 <ais523> you should be capable of patching around a segfault
20:41:14 <augur> lament isnt female, he's just a closet homo.
20:41:25 <ihope> And we all know GregorR is.
20:41:34 <tusho> lament's name is nikita.
20:41:55 <ihope> I name kar8nga next.
20:41:57 <GregorR> ihope: How dare you suggest that, to prove that I'm not I shall rape you into submission!!!
20:42:03 <augur> not that im making fun of your name
20:42:29 <HanDongSeong> maybe i should just use my traditional nickname...
20:42:29 <tusho> GregorR: can I have some of that?
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20:43:42 <tusho> I wonder what the new c-intercal release is like.
20:44:47 <augur> its like an indian guy named sukdeep
20:45:20 <Slereah> Or a chinese guy named Wang ZeDong.
20:46:31 <uvanta> Actually there's a common surname Seok (sounds like Suck) here in Korea, and one of them named himself Richard for international use, made a name card saying "Dick Seok" ...
20:47:23 <tusho> ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee intercal
20:47:53 <augur> uvanta: either he's a genius or he's an idiot
20:48:06 <uvanta> it's just an accident, i think
20:48:28 <tusho> I hear C-INTERCAL supports gay sex now.
20:48:42 <uvanta> how should he know what Dick really means
20:49:02 <tusho> C-INTERCAL's gay sex extension is very stable.
20:49:21 <uvanta> it's not in any of Korean school curriculum
20:49:49 <uvanta> maybe he should have ask some native English speaker but
20:50:54 <augur> always get your foreign name vetted first
20:52:17 <uvanta> augur: can you recommend me a decent male English name?
20:52:29 <tusho> uvanta: niffiducker
20:52:44 <augur> whats your korean name again?
20:52:48 <augur> not your family name your personal name
20:53:05 <uvanta> DongSeong is my first name
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20:54:33 <augur> it sounds close to dong would in english
20:54:45 <augur> alternatively, daniel is a nice name
20:55:24 <augur> thats your name. daniel han.
20:55:26 <uvanta> it's nice but i can name three of my friends who named themselves Daniel in English...
20:55:47 <tusho> Johnathan-Schmidtzenheimer
20:56:11 <tusho> augur: John is lame. Johnathan-Schmidtzenheimer 4eva!
20:56:25 <augur> nickname for guys named John is Jack
20:57:43 <uvanta> well, in fact i don't want to name myself after someone in Bible
20:58:14 <augur> john is #20 in the us in 2006
20:58:30 <uvanta> augur: there were three professors with the name John in my last semester
20:59:17 <augur> seong -> sean/shawn?
20:59:28 <uvanta> that's my best friend's name
21:00:07 <uvanta> and all the people around me
21:00:24 <augur> http://www.babynamewizard.com/voyager#prefix=&ms=true&sw=m&exact=false
21:00:29 <augur> pick one and be done with it. :P
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21:05:52 <tusho> Haskell B. Curry Lisp
21:06:37 <Asztal> I knew of a dog named Haskell
21:06:59 <Slereah> The black guy in Cube 0 is named Haskell, IIRC
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21:19:58 <lament> tusho: are you stalking me?
21:25:26 <lament> you're not very good at it.
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21:56:34 <augur> haskell is an esolang.
21:57:05 <augur> ITS A FUCKING ESOLANG
21:57:13 <augur> it has the most convoluted type system in the universe
21:57:20 <tusho> the type system is trivial
21:57:59 <augur> haskell functions are all embedded lambdas
21:58:03 <olsner> haskell's type system isn't even TC without evil extensions
21:58:36 <augur> i rather love haskell tho.
21:58:42 <augur> for all its insanity
21:59:10 <Slereah> Haskell has too much monads for me.
21:59:13 <uvanta> augur: what about Clean then
21:59:29 <augur> have you decide on a name, uvanta?
22:00:14 <uvanta> Clean uses something called uniqueness type instead of monad
22:00:20 <uvanta> it is purely functional, too
22:00:42 <uvanta> it recorded faster performance than haskell in some benchmarks
22:00:43 <lament> HASKELL IS FOR FAGGOTS
22:00:57 <lament> uvanta: clean suffers from being completely obscure
22:01:09 <lament> its creators seem bent on keeping it unknown
22:01:29 <augur> http://www.phoodie.info/2008/05/30/food-blob-drink-up/
22:01:37 <lament> well, at least they GPLed it
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22:05:56 <olsner> mcdonalds does not have a reputation for any kind of quality in sweden, so I'm not surprised they have to work hard to make an impression
22:06:42 <Slereah> Does it have a reputation for quality anywhere?
22:07:25 <lament> women have a reputation for quality in sweden
22:07:25 <olsner> I'd expect coffee at mcdonalds to taste like something half-way between piss and burnt bacon
22:07:48 <lament> it's more like three-quarters bacon, although that's probably regional
22:09:08 <tusho> chocolate bacon coffee.
22:10:04 <tusho> Slereah: bacon salt is
22:23:27 <ihope> Bacon salt? Is that any different from ordinary salt?
22:23:45 <lament> it's salt that's made out of bacon
22:23:56 <tusho> it's salt that makes things taste like bacon
22:24:03 <tusho> http://www.baconsalt.com/
22:24:19 <lament> is there a salt that makes things taste like ass?
22:24:28 <tusho> lament: mcdonald's joke
22:30:50 <Slereah> (It's a butt-tasting butter)
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23:25:47 <Slereah-> Does the cond of Scheme works like the one of Lisp?
23:26:05 <ihope> I would imagine so.
23:26:11 <Slereah-> That is, every predicate is evaluated one after the other, so it doesn't matter if two are true at the same time
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