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00:40:06 <immibis> i don't suppose anyone happens to have a FukYorBrane binary compiled for windows?
00:40:58 <tusho> compile it yourself
00:45:26 <immibis> well then does anyone have the FukYorBrane source code that isn't bzipped?
00:49:10 <immibis> gzipped is fine though, i'm on a computer without bzip2
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02:03:49 <immibis> how would i check if a number in a cell is less than zero in brainfuck, btw?
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12:05:02 <Slereah-> Although Gparted does not work at all.
12:05:04 <AnMaster> Slereah-, nice you are on it now?
12:05:17 <AnMaster> Slereah- try these commands then:
12:05:43 <Slereah-> I just have to enter the WEP key in it
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12:13:20 <AnMaster> Slereah-, first is it set to English?
12:13:49 <AnMaster> does it return an error or does the command exist?
12:13:52 <Slereah-> Which is awkward with the qwerty and all
12:14:15 <AnMaster> Slereah-, ah you can change that
12:14:26 <Slereah-> The program 'smartctl' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
12:14:26 <Slereah-> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
12:14:26 <Slereah-> bash: smartctl: command not found
12:14:43 <AnMaster> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
12:15:40 <AnMaster> Slereah-, are you in X? as in graphical windows
12:16:02 <Slereah-> I have a graphical interface yes
12:16:22 <AnMaster> Slereah-, ah a bit harder then a sec
12:16:47 <Slereah-> Wel I know that I can change it in the install screen.
12:17:05 <Slereah-> I could maybe launch it and then cancel after the AZERTY
12:17:18 <AnMaster> Slereah-, without a graphical interface it would be loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/azerty/fr-latin1.map.gz
12:17:41 <AnMaster> Slereah-, but yes that could work I guess
12:18:29 <Slereah-> smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
12:18:29 <Slereah-> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
12:18:29 <Slereah-> ERROR: smartctl requires a device name as the final command-line argument.
12:18:29 <Slereah-> Use smartctl -h to get a usage summary
12:18:36 <AnMaster> Slereah-, good it is installed now
12:18:41 <AnMaster> Slereah-, what is the harddrive with the issues?
12:18:49 <AnMaster> Slereah-, something like /dev/hdb likely
12:18:56 <AnMaster> /dev/hda is probaly your first
12:19:08 <Slereah-> I have five hard drives plugged in.
12:19:25 <AnMaster> Slereah-, well ok, is the bad harddrive SATA or PATA?
12:19:36 <AnMaster> Slereah-, ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd*
12:20:58 <Slereah-> I actually only have 4 now that I think of it
12:21:07 <Slereah-> Because of stuff from yesterday
12:21:15 <Slereah-> ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
12:21:15 <Slereah-> /dev/sda /dev/sda3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd /dev/sde1
12:21:15 <Slereah-> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda4 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd1
12:21:15 <Slereah-> /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 /dev/sdc /dev/sdc5 /dev/sde
12:21:46 <AnMaster> Slereah-, now we need to figure out what one is the broken harddrive
12:22:05 <AnMaster> run that so we get a root shell
12:22:34 <Slereah-> /dev/sdb: block special (8/16)
12:22:34 <Slereah-> /dev/sdc: block special (8/32)
12:22:34 <Slereah-> /dev/sdd: block special (8/48)
12:22:34 <Slereah-> /dev/sde: block special (8/64)
12:22:52 <AnMaster> (sorry I forgot the -s first time)
12:23:25 <Slereah-> /dev/sdb: block special (8/16)
12:23:29 <Slereah-> /dev/sdc: block special (8/32)
12:23:33 <Slereah-> /dev/sdd: block special (8/48)
12:23:37 <Slereah-> /dev/sde: block special (8/64)
12:23:38 <AnMaster> Slereah-, it should say something else when you use -s
12:23:40 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# file -s /dev/sd?
12:23:41 <Slereah-> /dev/sda: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, starthead 1, startsector 63, 26426862 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 0, startsector 26426925, 7181055 sectors; partition 3: ID=0x7, active, starthead 0, startsector 33607980, 120921255 sectors; partition 4: ID=0xf, starthead 0, startsector 154529235, 5526360 sectors
12:23:41 <Slereah-> /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0x6873a38c; partition 1: ID=0xb, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 976768002 sectors
12:23:41 <Slereah-> /dev/sdc: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0xeb9eeb9e; partition 1: ID=0x7, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 78156162 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xf, starthead 0, startsector 78156225, 78140160 sectors
12:23:43 <Slereah-> /dev/sdd: x86 boot sector, mbr; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 234436482 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011
12:23:46 <Slereah-> /dev/sde: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows XP MBR, Serial 0xc2514d40; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 976768002 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011
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12:24:15 <AnMaster> Slereah-, well ok, all of these drivers seems ok at a quick look
12:24:41 <Slereah-> Well, what I could do is, turn off most of the hard drives.
12:25:00 <Slereah-> And just leave the broken one and one with enough memory left
12:25:16 <AnMaster> Slereah-, each drive should say:
12:25:18 <AnMaster> === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
12:25:19 <AnMaster> SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
12:25:35 <AnMaster> if it doesn't include that, we know the drive is bad
12:25:46 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# smartctl -d ata -H /dev/sdb
12:25:46 <Slereah-> smartctl version 5.36 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
12:25:46 <Slereah-> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
12:25:46 <Slereah-> Smartctl: Device Read Identity Failed (not an ATA/ATAPI device)
12:25:46 <Slereah-> A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options.
12:26:26 <AnMaster> Slereah-, oh they don't support SMART then
12:26:53 <Slereah-> They're my partitions on my hard drive
12:27:03 <AnMaster> Slereah-, on that would be /dev/sda2
12:27:05 <Slereah-> And as you know, it has problems and such
12:27:50 <Slereah-> How come they contain exactly what the hard drive contains then?
12:27:59 <Slereah-> Three Windows installations and two linux.
12:28:10 <Slereah-> (It was a rough couple of months)
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12:28:31 <AnMaster> Slereah-, ok lets just disconnect all drives that works
12:28:39 <AnMaster> and leave the broken disk only
12:30:35 <Slereah-> /dev/sdd: x86 boot sector, mbr; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 1, startsector 63, 234436482 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011
12:30:35 <Slereah-> /dev/sdd1: x86 boot sector, Microsoft Windows 98 Bootloader, code offset 0x5a, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 64, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, sectors 234436482 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 28611, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x17ea3758, unlabeled
12:30:50 <Slereah-> Why the fuck does it contain windows 98.
12:31:06 <Slereah-> I mean, sure, it's the oldest one and I used 98 for quite a while.
12:31:21 <AnMaster> yes it was *made* by windows98
12:31:22 <Slereah-> Although maybe I did use it to install it on.
12:31:51 <AnMaster> Slereah-, anyway so far it doesn't seem to be a broken harddrive
12:32:23 <Slereah-> Well, is there a way to check what it contains?
12:32:37 <AnMaster> Slereah-, that will do a disk check
12:32:38 <AnMaster> including checking for bad sectors
12:33:05 <AnMaster> Slereah-, brb need to get some water
12:33:09 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -r /dev/sdd1
12:33:09 <Slereah-> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
12:33:09 <Slereah-> Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384
12:34:22 <AnMaster> Slereah-, well it is some harddrive error
12:34:32 <AnMaster> Slereah-, say yes when it asks if you want to fix stuff
12:35:16 <Slereah-> But by that, do you mean that it will ask me, or that you're going to give me a command that will then ask me to do it
12:35:30 <Slereah-> Because now, it's over and I wasn't asked anything
12:35:48 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -r /dev/sdd1
12:35:48 <Slereah-> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
12:35:48 <Slereah-> Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384
12:36:41 <AnMaster> fsck.vfat -t -a -v -f /dev/sdd1
12:37:45 <AnMaster> I will brb too, highlight me so I notice you are back
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12:49:27 <AnMaster> Slereah-, if that last command gives the same bad result, try this:
13:02:04 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# fsck.vfat -t -a -v -f /dev/sdd1
13:02:12 <Slereah-> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
13:02:24 <Slereah-> Checking we can access the last sector of the filesystem
13:02:52 <Slereah-> First FAT starts at byte 16384 (sector 32)
13:03:00 <Slereah-> 14648832 bytes per FAT (= 28611 sectors)
13:03:04 <Slereah-> Root directory start at cluster 2 (arbitrary size)
13:03:08 <Slereah-> Data area starts at byte 29314048 (sector 57254)
13:03:12 <Slereah-> 3662175 data clusters (120002150400 bytes)
13:03:12 <Slereah-> Got 12058624 bytes instead of 14648708 at 16384
13:03:27 <Slereah-> And badblocks is giving me numbers. Of blocks, I assume. In a state of badness.
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13:04:23 <Slereah-> Linux just found the hard drive in question
13:04:42 <Slereah-> I recognized the name of the volume
13:04:58 <Slereah-> Although the clicking on open does not give many openings.
13:11:09 <AnMaster> <Slereah-> And badblocks is giving me numbers. Of blocks, I assume. In a state of badness.
13:11:27 <AnMaster> it is probably giving you how many blocks it checked
13:12:02 <AnMaster> Slereah-, give me an example of the badblocks output
13:12:21 <AnMaster> Slereah-, if there are a lot listed then the disk is probably not recoverable
13:12:42 <Slereah-> I certainly hope so, because there's a whole lot of numbers.
13:12:42 <Slereah-> It would probably be a bad sign if it were the bad sectors.
13:13:15 <Slereah-> root@ubuntu:~# badblocks -n /dev/sdd1
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13:13:49 <Slereah-> If those are the bad blocks, it would indeed be a bad sign
13:15:40 <Slereah-> Although so far, it's the most I've seen of this hard drive for months.
13:16:12 <Slereah-> I can see its actual volume name, the free space left on it, its size, its number of folders and files.
13:16:24 <Slereah-> The only thing it lacks is the ability to actually open it.
13:17:46 <Slereah-> Before, I would either not see it at all on Linux or see it as "Disk E" on windows.
13:17:46 <Slereah-> Where it would say that it had a size of 0B.
13:19:00 <AnMaster> Slereah-, they are broken blocks indeed
13:19:32 <AnMaster> Slereah-, that harddrive is dead in other words. rest in peace and piece
13:19:54 <AnMaster> Slereah-, in the future remember to make backups
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13:34:11 <Slereah_> Is there no way to get back some data?
13:34:54 <Slereah_> Also can I stop badblocks. It saud nothing since 26263
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13:42:56 <Slereah_> Quick, to save that on the other hard drive!
13:44:50 <Deewiant> badblocks disables the bad blocks, right?
13:45:02 <Deewiant> yeah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks
13:45:06 <Deewiant> It marks these sectors so that they are not used in the future and thus do not cause corruption of data.
13:45:11 <Slereah_> I'm gonna download this sucker dry.
13:45:32 <Slereah_> I hope that there's not too many corrupted files.
13:47:12 <Slereah_> Of course, since there's a hundred gig of data in there, it might take a while.
13:47:32 <Slereah_> This is also why I don't do back up : I have somewhere around 500 gigs of Data.
13:47:50 <Slereah_> And I don't have a hundred DVDs.
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13:48:37 <Slereah_> Well, 500 gig HD don't grow on trees
13:48:39 <Deewiant> probably cheaper than the hundred DVDs, too.
13:48:58 <Deewiant> no, but somehow they wind up in shops anyway
13:49:14 <Slereah_> Yeah, but they ask for pieces of papers.
13:50:31 <Slereah_> That's the problem : I'm already buying a hard drive a year just to have free space
13:51:13 <Slereah_> So buying one for back up would start to cost a lot.
13:51:34 <Deewiant> you don't have to necessarily backup everything
13:51:40 <Slereah_> I used to do CD back up, and I still have them, but now it would just be unpractical
13:51:56 <Deewiant> but I think storage is fairly cheap these days
13:52:09 <Deewiant> a hard drive a year isn't that much, to be honest
13:52:34 <Slereah_> From where I'm standing, I get the impression that the latest hard drive storage is always around a hundred euros.
13:52:42 <Deewiant> yes, and it generally doubles your capacity each time
13:52:46 <Slereah_> Of course, 4 years ago, it was 80 Go.
13:53:03 <Slereah_> I suppose that now, the 500 would cost a hundred too.
13:53:16 <Deewiant> yes, it's a bit less than that, I think.
13:53:41 <Deewiant> an external drive that size costs around a hundred, an internal can be got cheaper.
13:53:57 <Slereah_> I don't care about external-internal.
13:54:12 <Slereah_> All my ex-internal hard drives are now external.
13:54:25 <Slereah_> The box to make them external is quite cheap.
13:54:33 <Deewiant> so even better, you can spend around 150 euros a year to get a lot more capacity + a backup for it
13:55:10 <Slereah_> It's like an external hard drive, but without the drive in it.
13:55:18 <Slereah_> So you can put in any HD you want.
13:55:33 <Deewiant> ah, so you have one of those for each ex-internal drive?
13:55:53 <Slereah_> Although I'm not sure my current hard drive will go there.
13:56:13 <Slereah_> Not only because it seems broken, but also because the plug on it is of a different shape
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14:00:57 <Slereah_> I should sort my files one day.
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14:13:10 <Slereah_> Ah balls, now I can't open it again.
14:13:24 <Slereah_> The file transfer blocked on a file, I assume it was a bad block D:
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14:14:08 <Slereah_> I'll just redo the badblocks thingy I suppose.
14:14:30 <Slereah_> "/dev/sdd1 is mounted; it's not safe to run badblocks!"
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14:17:51 <Slereah_> It just needs a unholy amount of time or something
14:18:06 <Slereah_> I'd better throw it in a well as soon as I'm done with it
14:34:44 <Slereah_> Two of the defective files are from the old DnD cartoon.
14:34:44 <Slereah_> Fuck that cartoon, breaking my hard drive.
14:37:55 <AnMaster> <Deewiant> badblocks disables the bad blocks, right?
14:38:03 <AnMaster> that is what fsck.vfat would do
14:39:00 <Slereah_> Ah fuck. Now there's a Highlander cartoon fucking it up.
14:39:15 <Slereah_> Remember kids : cartoons are bad for hard drives.
14:40:58 <AnMaster> <Slereah_> I'd better throw it in a well as soon as I'm done with it
14:41:35 <Slereah_> Like make a festive adornment out of it?
14:42:30 <Slereah_> By the way AnMaster, do you know how to access my linux partition?
14:42:57 <Slereah_> Since I can't access it from windows, I'd like to get the data out of it
14:43:05 <Slereah_> So I can nuke that disk without remorse
14:43:29 <Slereah_> mount: mount point /mnt/linux does not exist
14:43:54 <Slereah_> mount: /dev/sda4: can't read superblock
14:44:05 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> Slereah_, find what one it is
14:44:07 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> Slereah_, find what one it is
14:44:19 <AnMaster> Slereah_, check using file -s /dev/sda*
14:44:36 <AnMaster> Slereah_, to see what one say ext3 or such
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14:45:04 <Slereah_> Well, 1 and 2 are Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (large files)
14:45:18 <Slereah_> If they're classed by dates, it should be 1
14:46:57 <Slereah_> It's a good thing too, because that's where all my eso stuff are.
14:47:20 <AnMaster> Slereah_, backup everything and just install linux on the entire disk
14:47:47 <Slereah_> Almost no software works on Linux. Or at least that I can make them work there
14:48:04 <Slereah_> As I said, the current hard drive seems fucked up.
14:48:17 <Slereah_> Neither GParted or Partition Magic seems to be able to touch it
14:48:39 <Slereah_> I tried to resize the partitions and all, but to no avail
14:48:51 <AnMaster> Slereah_, tried fdisk to remove and readd
14:48:59 <AnMaster> Slereah_, also a tip how to get dual boot to work
14:49:13 <AnMaster> assuming you have same partition for windows as before:
14:49:14 <Slereah_> Well, I'll try that as soon as my data are safe and sound
14:49:24 <AnMaster> Slereah_, did you mount it on /mnt/linux
14:49:45 <AnMaster> Slereah_, don't run that first
14:49:57 <AnMaster> mount -t proc proc /mnt/linux/proc
14:50:04 <Slereah_> Don't worry. Rioght now, I'm moving my files on the HD.
14:50:09 <AnMaster> mount --bind /dev /mnt/linux/dev
14:50:17 <AnMaster> mount --bind /sys /mnt/linux/syc
14:50:52 <AnMaster> Slereah_, if it doesn't tell me what error that command gives
14:51:20 <AnMaster> you will probably need to run *after* chroot: mount /boot
14:55:41 <Slereah_> "You need permission to copy such file"
15:01:38 <AnMaster> Slereah_, not sure how on the livecd outside shells
15:03:03 <Slereah_> Well, I'll do the Linux part afterward.
15:03:12 <Slereah_> Right now, I'll do the hard drive before it explodes.
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15:35:33 <RodgerTheGreat> "erlang: the movie" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78
15:40:57 <SimonRC> it looks like it wwas made about 20 years befoer the language existed
15:49:05 <Slereah_> I suppose I'll let it cool or something.
15:49:17 <RodgerTheGreat> well, I think these guys were actually developers, rather than professional actors
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15:54:41 <SimonRC> doesn't HTTP have some feature to resume transferring a file partway through?
15:55:04 <SimonRC> maybe not, as I don't recall firefox ever doing it
15:55:07 <Slereah_> A hard drive that has known better days
16:03:46 <SimonRC> oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78
16:04:06 <SimonRC> oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal6XbN5cEg&NR=1
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16:31:53 <RodgerTheGreat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYoKCl883c&feature=related
16:36:38 <RodgerTheGreat> oh jesus christ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1wPFICdUY&feature=related
16:39:02 <tusho> RodgerTheGreat: Awaiting turing machine.
16:39:34 * oerjan is awaiting the Analytic Engine :D
16:39:54 <pikhq> How's life near the artic circle?
16:40:07 <tusho> oerjan: Gah, I want an Analytical Engine.
16:40:14 <tusho> How come nobody has built one?
16:40:30 <oerjan> well, not today, but a couple days ago
16:40:57 <oerjan> tusho: a virtual one _should_ be feasible, you'd think
16:41:08 <oerjan> perhaps someone did that
16:41:09 <Slereah_> tusho: There's an interpreter for it on the internet
16:41:11 <tusho> oerjan: yes, and why not a real one?
16:41:21 <tusho> I'm not that hot with the analytical engine so I dunno if it's really hard or something
16:41:23 <oerjan> tusho: because of $$$$
16:41:26 <tusho> but it's been like 5 billion years
16:41:35 <Slereah_> Well, because a real one would be gigantic
16:41:43 <tusho> Slereah_: precisely!
16:42:21 <RodgerTheGreat> the problem with building an analytical engine comes mainly from the fact that it needs thousands and thousands of complex, precisely machined custom parts
16:42:48 * oerjan is disappointed that "fuck man i'm haf" isn't a palindrome. or is it?
16:43:12 <tusho> oerjan: it's the produce of moozilla writing a spec on drugs, according to official (moozilla-approved) reports
16:43:17 <tusho> but yes, it'd be more fun as a palindrome
16:43:22 <RodgerTheGreat> it's not all that different from why babbage failed to make one in his day
16:43:40 -!- tusho has set topic: fuck man i'm haf fah m'i nam kcuf.
16:43:42 <tusho> now it's a palindrome
16:43:51 -!- tusho has set topic: fuck man i'm haf fah m'i nam kcuf | http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/.
16:46:27 <oerjan> tusho: do you mean there is something on the outerloom about "fuck man i'm haf"? google fails me
16:46:37 <tusho> oerjan: moozilla posted a spec here
16:46:52 <tusho> we enquired wtf that means and it turns out he wrote half of the spec on drugs
16:46:53 <oerjan> oh here in the channel?
16:47:34 <tusho> I bet 'fuck man i'm haf' actually transforms the language
16:47:39 <tusho> into a thing of beauty and amazingness
16:47:43 <tusho> but we'll never comprehend it..
16:48:40 <oerjan> well not without the right drugs anyhow
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16:50:37 <tusho> oerjan: that'll be a problem if the US government selects it to replace ada
16:51:02 <oerjan> not really, since they would only do that if they were on the right drugs anyhow
16:51:36 <tusho> oerjan: no, we're assuming that 'fuck man i'm haf' actually transforms it into the perfect language
16:52:08 <oerjan> well, then do the transformation first.
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16:53:52 <AnMaster> <RodgerTheGreat> "erlang: the movie" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfKtXYLG78 <-- great!
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16:56:45 <AnMaster> <SimonRC> oh deary deary me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mal6XbN5cEg&NR=1 <-- ARGG!
16:58:26 <tusho> This is the first ever music video about programming that has been written and performed by an actual programmer. }
17:00:20 <tusho> you know those nabaztag bunny things
17:00:25 <tusho> that acn speak out rss feeds and email
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17:00:34 <tusho> Some idiot set up a text box that lets you make it say anything.
17:00:45 <tusho> I wonder if it's saying "FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK" as we speak?
17:04:47 <AnMaster> <tusho> oerjan: that'll be a problem if the US government selects it to replace ada
17:05:07 <AnMaster> I'm pretty sure it is for some parts
17:05:25 <AnMaster> ADA looks like a very interesting language
17:06:43 <tusho> 'Programmers suck balls'
17:06:56 <tusho> I've replied explaining that programmers _might_ have made reddit
17:07:25 <Slereah_> Nah, they're too busy sucking balls.
17:07:52 <Slereah_> Well, it clearly was intelligent design
17:07:59 <Slereah_> So I think Jesus was involved.
17:09:03 <oerjan> rubbish, it clearly evolved, that explains why it sucks so much (balls).
17:12:38 <AnMaster> erlang looks like a very nice language, I even have it installed because wings3d use it
17:13:31 <SimonRC> (was distracted by google tech talk)
17:15:52 <AnMaster> tusho, but those actors were quite bad
17:16:03 <tusho> AnMaster: i haven't seen it, but, um, it's about programming
17:16:05 <tusho> suprise suprise, then
17:16:24 <AnMaster> tusho, well maybe they were real engineers not actors
17:18:28 <AnMaster> tusho, have you seen this: http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/om24550.html
17:18:38 <AnMaster> not programming but quite cool IMO
17:19:19 <tusho> http://www.oddmusic.com/clips/sea_organ.mp3
17:20:28 <AnMaster> tusho, yes I was surprised that it sounded as good as it did
17:20:48 <tusho> i love non-human-made music
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17:26:55 <AnMaster> cat /dev/whateveritis > /dev/dsp
17:26:59 <tusho> cat /dev/random >/dev/audio
17:27:08 <tusho> don't think OS X has a /dev/ file for audio though, I may be wrong
17:27:14 <AnMaster> tusho, that is white noise more or less!
17:27:24 <tusho> AnMaster: yes but if you turn it down it's quite soothing
17:28:12 <AnMaster> tusho, you should not do it, don't deplete the entropy pool in /dev/random
17:28:29 <tusho> AnMaster: i hope you're joking
17:28:44 <tusho> the UNIX POLICE will come after me for REDUCING ENTROPY by LISTENING TO /DEV/RANDOM
17:28:58 <oerjan> SAVE THE UNIVERSE, PRESERVE ENTROPY
17:29:16 <pikhq> Preserve entropy: rm /dev/*random
17:30:10 <AnMaster> tusho, anyway listening to an NTFS partition is quite interesting
17:30:16 <AnMaster> tusho, it actually produces tone
17:30:24 <tusho> AnMaster: maybe that's the origin of ntfs
17:30:26 <tusho> an audio generator
17:30:31 <tusho> that would explain why it's a crappy filesystem
17:31:02 <AnMaster> some noise and after a while a series of low tones about 1/10-1/4 seconds long
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17:32:47 <AnMaster> tusho, it even got a nice beat, a bit noise in the sound though
17:33:05 <AnMaster> tusho, how to capture from /dev/dsp?
17:33:26 <tusho> AnMaster: don't pipe it to /dev/dsp
17:33:29 <tusho> pipe it to an ogg encoder..
17:33:36 <tusho> (and ^C after a bit)
17:33:38 <oerjan> can you make emelets by crushing oggs?
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17:34:01 <tusho> AnMaster: uh, the xiph.org ogg encoder?
17:34:03 <tusho> oggenc, I believe?
17:34:05 <tusho> you know ... just do
17:34:08 <tusho> oggenc --raw /dev/fs -o foo.ogg
17:34:12 <tusho> and ^C after a bit
17:34:24 <AnMaster> tusho, well lets see what that turns out in
17:35:09 <AnMaster> tusho, doesn't sound right at all
17:35:15 <AnMaster> tusho, it get much higher freq
17:35:22 <tusho> AnMaster: you'll have to manually specify it
17:35:26 <tusho> since it's raw pcm data
17:35:33 <AnMaster> tusho, well I got no idea what to specify for it!
17:35:40 <tusho> AnMaster: play around with values
17:35:46 <tusho> oggenc --help, anything related to sample rate?
17:35:49 <AnMaster> Playing raw data '/dev/sdb1' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono
17:36:04 <tusho> AnMaster: then .. feed it 8000
17:37:31 <AnMaster> tusho, you could extract my file system info from it!
17:37:41 <tusho> AnMaster: are you being serious
17:37:43 <tusho> please don't be serious
17:38:00 <AnMaster> tusho, well this is likely just the header
17:38:09 <tusho> besides, I couldn't do anything with the data
17:38:14 <tusho> it'd depend on all the rest...
17:38:19 <tusho> and finally, the ogg encoding is lossy
17:38:23 <tusho> thus major quality lossage
17:38:27 <tusho> thus i couldn't recover it
17:38:35 <tusho> AnMaster: oh, wait
17:38:38 <tusho> redo the oggenc with
17:38:43 <tusho> (ultra-high quality)
17:38:51 <tusho> since, uh, otherwise it'll compress badly
17:38:55 <tusho> 'cause of the white noise and similar
17:39:15 <tusho> wasn't a joke, actually :\ it's likely to compress badly
17:39:19 <tusho> but whatever, just upload it
17:39:49 <tusho> yep, upload it somewhere
17:40:16 <SimonRC> maybe we need fractal compression to deal with white noise properly
17:42:25 <AnMaster> tusho, http://omploader.org/vbDV6
17:43:48 <AnMaster> the more modern ntfs disk doesn't sound as good
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17:44:25 <AnMaster> tusho, odd that NTFS should sound good eh?
17:44:32 <tusho> it's like what would happen if Autechre were tasked with making rock
17:44:52 <tusho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autechre
17:45:07 <AnMaster> tusho, I don't like rock music myself
17:45:13 <AnMaster> but it is better than white noise
17:45:32 <tusho> i like most kinds of music
17:46:01 <tusho> most rap is terrible
17:46:16 <tusho> but some indie-label underground rap is pretty good
17:47:10 <AnMaster> tusho, but odd that ntfs sounds like that eh?
17:47:40 <tusho> AnMaster: care to release that under CC by-sa 3.0? :-P
17:47:59 <tusho> :( i wanna make something out of it
17:48:04 <AnMaster> tusho, get your own 70 GB NTFS
17:48:15 <tusho> it's just the header ... and it's too distorted to be able to recover _any_ data
17:48:49 <tusho> AnMaster: i said I wanted to make something out of it
17:48:56 <tusho> & i wouldn't use a -nc sample
17:49:05 <AnMaster> tusho, well it would be -nc then
17:49:12 <tusho> no discrimination against fields of endeavour, AnMaster
17:49:21 <tusho> thought you liked free software?
17:49:34 <AnMaster> tusho, well yes but music is different
17:49:50 <AnMaster> tusho, anyway it is likely to be copyright microsoft?
17:50:01 <tusho> AnMaster: by that logic MS own your whole disc
17:50:06 <tusho> because it's encoded with ntfs
17:50:48 <AnMaster> tusho, also I don't believe it is too distorted to recover data from unless you can prove it
17:50:53 * SimonRC wonders if there are any really good Shepard Scales out there...
17:51:12 <AnMaster> tusho, what did you plan to make with it though?
17:51:14 <tusho> AnMaster: uh, do you know anything about lossy compression?
17:51:17 <SimonRC> all the ones I can find sound like they have a distinct jump up.down in them
17:51:24 <SimonRC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_tone
17:51:25 <tusho> the information loss will be _huge_ especially at the low quality (khz etc) it's at
17:51:27 <tusho> just human ears suck
17:51:38 <SimonRC> notes that go up continuously without getting anywhere
17:51:44 <tusho> AnMaster: anyway, I'd probably just make some kind of track out of it
17:53:20 <AnMaster> SimonRC, the one on wikipedia sounds good
17:54:25 <SimonRC> It might be good to be able to tweak the volumes to fit your own ears
17:55:25 <SimonRC> the frequency response of human ears is complicated
17:56:09 <AnMaster> SimonRC, I didn't hear any gap in it
17:57:55 <SimonRC> the fade-in seems quite sudden around the 21s and 42s mark
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18:02:43 <SimonRC> yeah... I think there must be quite a sharp change in my frequency response at some point
18:02:55 <SimonRC> presumably software can be made to hide it
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18:11:00 <AnMaster> SimonRC, I see what you mean at high volumne
18:11:41 <AnMaster> SimonRC, but you mean 23 and 45
18:25:41 <SimonRC> the rhythmic equivalent: http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/uploads/826/Risset_accelerando_beat1.mp3
18:29:34 <SimonRC> in fact that kinda has a shepard tone in it too
18:29:47 <AnMaster> SimonRC, that got a clear "jump"
18:30:19 <SimonRC> yeah, the point at which one of the tones gains a lower component and the other doesn't
18:32:02 <SimonRC> it's all those infinitely-fast notes I expect
18:32:50 * AnMaster starts listing to what he was listing to be before (restful music, enya to be exact)
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18:36:04 <SimonRC> well, it is supposed to be paradoxical, not necessarily nice-sounding
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18:41:46 <tusho> http://swiki.hfbk-hamburg.de:8888/MusicTechnology/uploads/826/Risset_accelerando_beat1.mp3 is lovely
18:43:22 <tusho> SimonRC: no, i really like it
18:43:51 <SimonRC> well, I found an apparently improved version...
18:44:00 <SimonRC> and the software that renders it is free
18:44:19 <tusho> AnMaster: hey, it has like infinity times more structure than a lot of stuff I listen to
18:44:21 <SimonRC> ooh, sourecforge has a windows port...
18:44:41 <SimonRC> http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/2006/09/1634650/Re-Risset-accelerando.html
18:44:45 <SimonRC> http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/downloads
18:46:45 <SimonRC> the mp3 I posted was a rendering of some code that is earlier in the thread that the "improved" code is in
18:51:17 * SimonRC comes up with a random filesystem idea..
18:52:05 <SimonRC> it means: if such-and-such directory is created, it should also have a certain filesystem atomically mounted there
18:52:54 <AnMaster> SimonRC, why is that interesting/good/esoteric?
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18:59:31 <tusho> I had an idea so that you could REALLY filter /dev/random to make something.
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18:59:39 <tusho> Specifically a music maker which by default read from /dev/random
18:59:43 <tusho> And you'd just tweak it until it sounded good.
18:59:56 <tusho> UNIX editor wars hardcority won!
19:01:21 <SimonRC> AnMaster: I was think about windows
19:01:53 <SimonRC> if you know the director stucture that some program will create...
19:02:02 <SimonRC> and you want to split it across devices...
19:02:07 <AnMaster> tusho, /dev/urandom or /dev/random?
19:02:14 <AnMaster> you don't get a lot from /dev/random
19:02:16 <tusho> AnMaster: /dev/random
19:02:37 <SimonRC> but you can't mount the directories until the installer has created them
19:02:38 <tusho> AnMaster: yes, you'd have to leave it starting up for a while
19:03:05 <AnMaster> SimonRC, well if the installer didn't accept pre-created directories it would be crap
19:03:12 <SimonRC> and the installer puts files in the directories immediately after creating them
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19:05:34 <tusho> Slereah-: Read as 'black'.
19:06:04 <Slereah-> "Once you go black, we don't want you back"
19:07:22 <tusho> Slereah-: Being black is a choice! Just like being gay!
19:07:34 <tusho> (The sarcasm level in #esoteric today is more than AnMaster can handle.)
19:07:59 <Slereah-> The hard drive is almost downloaded.
19:08:17 * tusho downloads a harddrive
19:08:41 <tusho> AnMaster: /dev/sda1
19:08:50 <tusho> Oh, wait, you mean the black and gay people?
19:09:04 <tusho> AnMaster: Fine then.
19:09:06 <AnMaster> tusho, no where you can you download a 2 GB drive
19:09:18 <Slereah-> And I didn't lose too much data
19:09:18 <Slereah-> And most of it, I can probably get back.
19:09:21 <tusho> Hmm. I wonder where OS X stores its HD devices.
19:09:25 <tusho> I know the mounts are in /Volumes..
19:09:38 <AnMaster> tusho, see what mount outputs?
19:09:51 <tusho> /dev/disk0s2 on / (local, journaled)
19:09:53 <tusho> The more you know!
19:10:41 <SimonRC> ok, this is harder than I though...
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19:11:18 <SimonRC> the language appears to be smalltalk-based
19:11:28 <tusho> Whut language, SimonRC
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19:17:13 <SimonRC> tusho: The supercollider one
19:39:47 <SimonRC> well, it turns ou that the code was corrupted by the email-address-removed in the archiving software
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19:40:28 <SimonRC> I am using my amazing hacker powers to repair this and learn enough of the language to do so
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19:41:50 <Slereah-> The last bit of the hard drive will wait for tomorrow
19:42:25 <SimonRC> it sounds more convincing that the other rhythm
19:42:50 <SimonRC> take this code: http://elists.resynthesize.com/sc-users/2006/09/1634650/Re-Risset-accelerando.html
19:43:11 <SimonRC> repair the "[EMAIL REMOVED]" with "pulses[1] + pulses[2] + pulses[3]"
19:43:35 <tusho> how about upload it for u
19:43:54 <SimonRC> then set the Server.default to server.internal
19:44:05 <tusho> booooooooooooooooooooooooring
19:44:29 <SimonRC> suggest where to upload it to
19:54:46 <AnMaster> SimonRC, in a way that doesn't need any external program
19:55:15 <SimonRC> I fiddled the fading formula though
19:56:38 <AnMaster> SimonRC, upload sample at ompload
19:57:05 * SimonRC tries to figure out how to record
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20:50:05 <tusho> GregorR: you'll like that
20:56:23 * SimonRC realises that a 22MB audio file is rather large
20:57:00 <tusho> SimonRC: shell files
20:58:25 <SimonRC> I thought that nic.sh was the joke itself
20:58:36 <SimonRC> but of course, it is the NIC
21:00:05 <tusho> http://nic.sh/cgi-bin/whois?query=fi.sh&search=Search
21:00:05 * SimonRC looks at the cayman islands' NIC
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21:25:07 <tusho> unfortunately, .ho isn't a domain
21:25:32 <pikhq> (TLDs are for sale)
21:25:36 <tusho> pikhq: I don't have 50k
21:26:02 <tusho> pikhq: We should get, collectively, .eso
21:26:17 <tusho> http://wiki.eso/Brainfuck
21:28:38 <tusho> GregorR: Hmm. Most awesome TLD ever: .
21:28:44 <tusho> Because .tld works.
21:28:52 <tusho> See me at http colon slash slash dot!
21:29:11 <tusho> http://www.www.www/
21:29:22 <tusho> Oh god it smells of java.
21:29:43 * SimonRC wishes that domain names were big-endian
21:30:12 <SimonRC> and not just so someone could register sh.it
21:30:32 <SimonRC> it would fit in properly with the rest of URLs
21:31:09 <GregorR> I would register com.munist
21:31:21 <SimonRC> currently the heirarchy goes: 1://4.3.2/5/6/7 which is just ridiculous
21:31:33 <SimonRC> GregorR: then sell them for 1000 times the amount?
21:31:48 <GregorR> By what stretch of the imagination is the protocol the highest precedence?
21:31:57 <tusho> We can register sh.it.
21:32:49 <GregorR> No, because the path needs the protocol to be meaningful.
21:32:56 <tusho> Then protocol is 4.
21:33:04 <SimonRC> some protocols don;t have paths
21:33:06 <tusho> That's not too illogical.
21:33:11 <tusho> It descends for a bit then rises.
21:33:15 <tusho> You want to know the site name
21:33:17 <tusho> not that it's in .com
21:33:21 <SimonRC> protocol must come first...
21:33:30 <tusho> Admittedly, you generally don't care about the protocol, but still.
21:33:32 <tusho> It's semi-logical.
21:33:44 <SimonRC> (a) it determines what code one uses to access the data
21:33:55 <SimonRC> (b) some protocols don't have servers or paths
21:34:05 <tusho> you can always attach a protocol to a server
21:34:09 <tusho> that's what dns is all about
21:34:58 <SimonRC> tusho: except some protocols don't have servers specified
21:35:08 <tusho> that's not a URI then
21:35:15 <tusho> sigh, I'm not explaining this right
21:35:47 <SimonRC> anyway, this is distracting from my main point, which is that domains are backwards
21:38:08 <SimonRC> I would prefer the endianness of domains to match the rest of the URL (disregarding the protocol for the moment)
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