00:00:11 <psygnisfive> the second one before is ukranian cyrillic ie
00:03:11 <dogface> So Е, E and Ε are all different characters.
00:03:34 <dogface> EEЕEEEEEEEEEΕEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
00:05:24 <dogface> Now, that one doesn't show here.
00:06:12 <dogface> An E with lines at the top and bottom out the back and front and also in the middle out the front, or something like that, anyway?
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00:38:32 <tusho> ø,œo˙øpøʼ̛Ø̛̋̄Ø̋ ̑̃Œ̛̈́Ø̛̋̄”‚°̀·‚‡°̀·‡°·‡̀°·‡°·̛̱̣̣̈̆̃̋̊̉̃̊̋̆̋̊ ̱̑̆̋̊̄ ̑̆Ð̱̊̋ ̑̆Ð̱̊̋̄ ̑̆Ð
00:39:55 <dogface> Úñfó®túñátély, Í ©áñ´t úñðé®stáñð á thíñg yóú sáy.
00:40:29 <dogface> tusho, στοπ βεινγ σο ινψομπρεηενσιβλε.
00:40:54 <tusho> dogface: ̋̄̆Ð̄̈̈≥ ̄Ø ̛̱̑̄Œ̆́
00:41:06 <dogface> Σηαλλ ςε ψοντινθε βεινγ ινψομπρεηενσιβλε?
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00:42:19 <dogface> I take it ⅅ is some sort of n character.
00:43:24 * dogface ponders incomprehensible things
00:44:48 <psygnisfive> you admit theyre incomprehensible, so its not like you comprehend them
00:45:29 <dogface> I didn't know Maltese was even a language, you know.
00:57:24 <tusho> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/6888/oopbad.htm OOP Cube
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01:45:42 <RodgerTheGreat> I dunno, that article doesn't have nearly enough crazy to truly compare to timecube
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08:33:45 <Figs> http://rafb.net/p/LNIIjB27.html <-- is this the start of something evil?
08:43:24 <Figs> http://rafb.net/p/t2kLGX37.html <-- this is probably slightly better
09:05:29 <Figs> someone's here! :D
09:05:55 <Figs> It is, isn't it? :)
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10:32:49 <oklopol> so how about theoretical practical physics, the study of ai methods for discovering facts about the rules of cellular automata from within the system itself
10:34:39 <oklopol> and practical theoretical physics, where these rules are then used to anticipate the events after n steps, and use them for the advantage of the agent
10:35:22 <oklopol> okokokokokokokokokokokokoko
10:35:43 <oklopol> wouldn't it be awesome to have a little scientist turtle
10:36:07 <oklopol> i'd so tickle its chin with my massive godly hands
10:42:02 <oklopol> in the same fashion, i might enjoy practical theoretical psychology, except in this case you'd probably want to allow a human as the observer, and thus the scientist
10:42:39 <oklopol> really the study of turtle mind
10:43:30 <oklopol> non mathematically speaking, really anticipating the choices it will make with artificial simplified constructs representing its complex ai mind
10:51:44 <fizzie> Is he creating life-forms, or what does the teeth-doing comment refer to?
10:53:43 <oklopol> anyway should i read about graphs of ai now
10:54:12 <oklopol> graphs are undeniably sexier
10:54:26 <oklopol> but this is not about my preferences
10:54:38 <oklopol> but about your preferences
10:57:43 <oklopol> damn you people, yesternight it was blah blah about any random shit that was mentioned, in a speed that exceeded the processing speed of my brain, and now i can't get one bit of information :)
11:05:51 <fizzie> I vote for graphs; AI is bogus.
11:06:38 <oklopol> been waiting for an answer for ages
11:06:58 <oklopol> as if i could ever choose anything
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12:19:27 <tusho> lots of short topics
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12:55:59 <oerjan> It's the time of the Oval!
13:05:22 <oklopol> really the only way to get pregnant, so kind of a tautology
13:05:25 <oerjan> Also, 5 days since i was here last and i am just halfway through the Triangle and Robert archive.
13:08:56 <oerjan> current snapshot: http://tr.froup.com/tr.pl?1343
13:12:08 <oklopol> hmph, i was hoping it'd be high-level mathematical humor i have no way of getting
13:12:52 <oerjan> there was one mathematical pun that made me laugh out loud - let me find it again
13:14:15 <oerjan> http://tr.froup.com/tr.pl?1276
13:17:52 <oklopol> only the first joke is a pun
13:18:03 <oklopol> and the latter isn't terribly funny
13:18:11 <oerjan> i never said otherwise
13:18:26 <oklopol> i'm only stating random facts
13:18:47 <oklopol> anyway, i don't want puns, i want jokes that are purely mathematical!
13:18:55 <oerjan> actually the latter is not a joke - it is a plot device
13:20:55 <oerjan> i suppose T&R has surprisingly few math jokes for having polygons as the main characters
13:21:49 <oerjan> it's mostly absurdist and meta-humor
13:24:05 <oklopol> i need to get a math degree so i can start making comics
13:24:33 <oklopol> well, i already have enough expertise to confuse the average geek
13:24:53 <oklopol> but so does asiekierka with his esolang ones, so i'm not terribly satisfied :P
13:25:58 <oklopol> at least one relied on +[], i doubt everyone will read that as the normal form of the infinite loop :-)
13:26:11 <oerjan> i had this idea once of three mathketeers - Orthos, Pathos and d'Arctangent
13:26:57 <oerjan> hm d'Artagnan was not actually one of the 3 musketeers, says WP
13:27:15 <oerjan> serves me for not actually having read the books :D
13:27:17 <oklopol> right he was the one that met the guys and owned their asses off
13:27:42 <oklopol> the skript kiddie they never acknowledged as a part of their secret society
13:27:59 <oklopol> i haven't read the books either, but i've seen 5 minutes of one of the movies
13:28:54 * oerjan nevertheless knows enough to suspect oklopol is trying to fool him
13:29:13 <oerjan> "script kiddie", come on
13:29:28 <oklopol> well that was more of a metaphor
13:30:04 <oklopol> for whatever he may have been in the book!
13:36:59 <oerjan> oh and of course there would cardinals
13:42:08 <KingOfKarlsruhe> ^bf +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[->+>++>+++<<<]>>>-------------------------------------------.+++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++.---------------------.--------------.++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++.---------.+++++++.++++.<----------------------------------------------.>-----------.++++++++++.<.>----------------.++++++++++++..---.<.>++++++++++++.<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
13:44:53 <oerjan> i'll make a terrible pun, and then i'll call him Attila.
13:46:05 <oerjan> what the heck, someone on Uncyclopedia already thought of that
13:46:58 <oerjan> Attila, the terrible pun
13:49:29 <oklopol> hmm right, i was actually going by a more strict definition of pun
13:49:48 <oerjan> wise advice from Uncyclopedia: "Although puns don.t kill people, people kill people who make puns."
13:51:04 <oerjan> what strict definition?
13:54:41 <oklopol> well i didn't see the small hamming distance enough to associate pun and hun.
13:59:06 <oerjan> yes i do. my rumors of my polygoniality have been strongly exaggerated
13:59:49 <oerjan> or was that a freudian slip, hm
14:29:32 <oklopol> will fungot die if given an infloop?
14:35:33 <jemarch> nice, the king of karlsruhe :D
14:37:24 <KingOfKarlsruhe> >>+++++++[<<+[>+++<-]>[<+++>-]>-]<<>>>>+++++++[<<+[>+++<-]>[<+++>-]>-]<<>>>>+++++++[<<+[>+++<-]>[<+++>-]>-]<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[->+>++>+++<<<]>>>-------------------------------------------.+++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++++++++.---------------------.--------------.++++++++++++++++.+++++++++++++++.---------.+++++++.++++.<----------------------------------------------.>-----------.++++++++++.<.>---
14:37:24 <KingOfKarlsruhe> -------------.++++++++++++..---.<.>++++++++++++.<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
14:38:42 <KingOfKarlsruhe> ^bf >>+++++++[<<+[>+++<-]>[<+++>-]>-]<<>>>>+++++++[<<+[>+++<-]>[<+++>-]>-]<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++[->+<]>++++++++++++++.--.+++++.--------.++++++++.-----.++++++.
14:39:15 <oklopol> KingOfKarlsruhe: you printed that after a ridiculously long computation, or fizzie has a timeout?
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17:09:35 <asiekierka> Actually, comic #22 beat my record of the longest comic
17:09:40 <asiekierka> #16 was the longest, before i made #22.
17:10:17 <asiekierka> http://asiekierka.boot-land.net/screebles - Comic #21 and #22 is there
17:11:52 <asiekierka> I know i cut the text on the bottom... sorry.
17:12:14 <asiekierka> But that doesn't break anything. It's just testing anyway.
17:19:39 <dogface> asiekierka: have you received a Normish password?
17:22:17 <ais523> adduser: The user `asiekierka' already exists.
17:22:21 <dogface> Whoever activated your passwd proposal should have given it to you.
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18:42:20 <optbot> ais523: although if you pass it by reference it won't be much anyhow
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21:00:50 <ais523> oklopol: is it morning where you are?
21:00:57 <fizzie> Unless he's on a trip.
21:01:00 <fizzie> He might be, actually.
21:01:08 <fizzie> What with the tooth-brushing at an odd time.
21:01:09 <tusho> Hmm. Garageband is fun.
21:01:22 * ais523 just did /ctcp #esoteric time
21:01:39 <ais523> for a couple of people here, it's Saturday already
21:01:53 <ais523> and it's only early afternoon for MikeRiley
21:02:01 <tusho> I made two things in Garageband today and one yesterday. It is too addictive.
21:02:11 <tusho> (Warning: Will make you want to rip your ears off. Possibly.) http://filebin.ca/afherd The Song's Title is "The Song's Title Is", http://filebin.ca/ucfxpg XXXXXXXXX (That's 7 Xs), http://filebin.ca/wpchxe Happy Happy Fun Time P.S. Please Kill Yourself
21:03:04 <tusho> (Or if you're the people I've showed them to so far, you'll like them. This probably means you're deaf. Go figure.)
21:03:13 <oklopol> fizzie: i brushed my teeth when i woke up
21:03:16 <ais523> tusho: you wrote those?
21:03:22 <oklopol> but no i'm never on a trip
21:03:23 <ais523> (n.b. I'm not listening to them)
21:03:28 <tusho> ais523: Pieced them together in Garageband. :P
21:03:29 <fizzie> oklopol; Wasn't it quite late?
21:03:38 <tusho> oklopol: i didn't say good
21:03:56 <oklopol> the matrix view doesn't let you do anything but 1/2^n length notes
21:04:39 <tusho> Well, I had fun messing about with it and I'm happy with the little things I made with it.
21:06:03 <oklopol> i usually never wake up before 15
21:07:09 <tusho> fizzie: 12 is late? :|
21:07:28 <ais523> well I was asleep at 12
21:07:28 <tusho> On a time note, I am getting up at 5:25 on the 18th.
21:07:32 <ais523> so you could infer that it was late
21:07:36 <fizzie> Well, yes; I am usually at work at 09AM.
21:07:41 <oklopol> tusho: those sound like real instruments
21:07:46 <tusho> oklopol: they're not :P
21:08:00 <oklopol> okay, garageband has really improved then :D
21:12:17 <oklopol> anyway you actually wrote these, and didn't put together existing samples and add the stuff that sounds random after that :P
21:12:27 <oklopol> just checking because this is not that bad
21:13:24 <dogface> tusho: are those MP3s without the .mp3?
21:13:46 <tusho> oklopol: Uh, I may have pilfered a few samples. :P
21:14:46 <oklopol> tusho: the recursive title was my fav
21:15:06 <oklopol> also HHFTPKY's fast guitar thingie in the end
21:15:17 <ais523> "This is the title of this story, which also appears several times in the story itself."
21:15:28 <ais523> the title of a rather pointless story in which every sentence was self-referential
21:15:30 <dogface> tusho: my brother says he heard 'The Song's Title is "The Song's Title Is"' on WordGirl once.
21:15:36 <ais523> it spent most of its time arguing about what its plot is
21:15:56 <ais523> I can't remember where I saw it though, it isn't mine
21:15:57 <dogface> tusho: I guess they stole your song.
21:16:10 <tusho> dogface: Wait, including the crazy bit at 1:12?
21:16:21 <tusho> And all the "AND NOW FOR SOME UNRELATED PIANO" bits? :P
21:16:32 <dogface> Are you damaging my speakers with very high-amplitude low-frequency sounds?
21:17:00 <tusho> dogface: You mean the bass at the end of HHFTPKY?
21:17:45 <tusho> I think that every peice of silence in music should be a very high or low pitched sound though.
21:17:54 <tusho> Maybe something like a dog whistle.
21:17:58 <tusho> "Huh?? What is it??"
21:18:06 <ais523> tusho: actually in practice it is
21:18:08 <tusho> "Why are you freaking out? Everything's silent!"
21:18:12 <tusho> ais523: Well, yes.
21:18:14 <ais523> at least when recorded onto tape
21:18:20 <tusho> ais523: You know what I meant :P
21:18:45 <ais523> so that the magnetic read head doesn't distort the signal due to its weirdness at low amplitudes
21:19:10 <ais523> and yes, I know what I meant, but seeing as I'm an electronic engineer (in training) I may as well show off when a question in my field actually comes up, which is rarely
21:19:26 <dogface> Happy Happy Happy is nice.
21:19:52 <dogface> ais523: do they teach you stuff like how to compile Proce programs into electronics?
21:19:53 <tusho> There's only two happies. :P
21:20:10 <dogface> That's why I referred to it as Happy Happy Happy Happy.
21:20:11 <ais523> dogface: not Proce, but they did teach us how to compile VHDL into electronics
21:21:27 <oklopol> tusho: well these sound like nice riffs pieced together randomly, so i'm just gonna assume everything that sounds good is not from you :P
21:21:34 <oklopol> make something from scratch, i wanna hear
21:21:46 <ais523> oklopol: have you heard my Hello, World in Fugue yet?
21:21:57 <tusho> oklopol: I can assure you that you do not want to hear the cacophony that occurs when I try and make music from scratch.
21:22:01 <dogface> ais523: but VHDL is digital! :-)
21:22:03 <tusho> Also, HHFTPKY isn't that random. :P
21:22:18 <tusho> And that synthy interlude I did! :-P
21:22:23 <dogface> Well, you guys are making me want to create music from scratch.
21:22:30 <ais523> dogface: yes, digital's easier to compile because you can make the electronics first and then change it slightly, that doesn't work as well with analog (although is still possible)
21:23:08 <tusho> oklopol: Hm well I could give you iteration #358723849234 of "OMGWTFBBQ"
21:23:10 <oklopol> dogface: i'm assuming you took that literally and are finding a magnet to use on your cd
21:23:10 <Mony> http://www.slinkycity.com/cartoonanimals/ASCIICows/?index.html here cows are
21:23:16 <tusho> Which is a long story but it basically ends up in 2006
21:23:24 <tusho> when I was bored and playing with audacity
21:23:25 <oklopol> i meant just composing a song :)
21:23:34 <tusho> oklopol: I composed OMGWTFBBQ's revisions. :P
21:24:03 <tusho> It's a bit ... atonal in its latest (satanic gospel metal) version, though.
21:24:18 <tusho> oklopol: No, it wasn't in here.
21:25:06 <oklopol> ais523: if you remember, i was even planning to enhance your hello world into a nicer piece (no offense ofc, it's not that bad as it is)
21:25:20 <ais523> I don't remember, that's why I asked
21:25:35 <ais523> and no, I rather like it as is, it sounded awful the first time but grew on me
21:26:28 <oklopol> a few times, i've composed half of a song, and filled the rest with some random crap; then later found out i cannot fill the spaces with anything but deretardations of the random stuff, because they simply belong there.
21:27:03 <oklopol> (deretardations = removing the obviously ugly stuff, usually my random crap sounds okay)
21:28:50 <oklopol> ais523: can you link me a mid of mp3 or something for the HW
21:29:20 <ais523> I have a .ogg version, I'll paste it again
21:29:38 * dogface ponders how he would turn the Thue-Morse sequence into a sound
21:29:53 <ais523> http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/fugue/src/hworld.mid
21:29:57 <oklopol> i could, of course, take some other simple program, and try to make it sound nice
21:30:11 <ais523> I tried to make a nice-sounding hello world once
21:30:19 <ais523> but in the end just used the output of my brainfuck -> fugue compiler
21:30:29 <ais523> which was so nonportable I think it wouldn't have run on any computer other than mine
21:31:03 <ais523> it worked by using VBA's SendKeys to send keystrokes to a proprietary MIDI editor, whose keyboard shortcuts I set up in advance to play nicely with my program
21:31:16 <ais523> oklopol: yes, that's the output I linked and it's quite nice
21:31:19 <ais523> but I didn't make it by hand
21:31:27 <ais523> although probably it would have been faster than writing the compiler
21:34:10 <oklopol> ) If the top value on the stack is nonzero, skip back past the matching (. <<< past in what direction
21:34:27 <ais523> oklopol: it's like [ and ] in Brainfuck
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21:34:42 <ais523> but it loops all lines, not just the one you're on
21:35:09 <ais523> it's easiest to leave a NOP in the other lines corresponding to the ( and )
21:35:17 <ais523> otherwise it's possible to get very confused very quickly
21:35:23 <ais523> (my hello, world always NOPs in those situations)
21:36:08 <oklopol> you don't really need two voices for hw do ya
21:36:21 <ais523> although it helps to make the program shorter
21:36:22 <dark_templar> Hey, my Brainfuck bot does everything except for loops so far :>
21:36:43 <ais523> dark_templar: how are you planning to implement loops?
21:36:45 <oklopol> well you can, then, use that for chords or something, and not actually use it for anything
21:36:53 <tusho> dark_templar: i am assuming that you are just using nc -e
21:37:13 <tusho> not that unneeded tiny-modification asiekierka made
21:37:23 <tusho> that unneeded tiny-modification then
21:37:36 <tusho> dark_templar: Oh, you're still implementing Brainfuck.
21:37:37 <oklopol> ais523: but you only need like 5 operations for each character even without the other voice
21:38:03 <dark_templar> Python fails with pop from empty stack and I can't grasp where the problem is
21:38:06 <ais523> oklopol: well yes, although you need to either use a loop or several increments in order to get the letters of hello world
21:38:13 <tusho> dark_templar: why not just use an existing BF interpreter
21:38:27 <oklopol> ais523: right there's no multiplication
21:38:28 <tusho> and use "nc -c 'bfi bot.b' irc.freenode.net 6667"
21:38:37 <tusho> dark_templar: implementing BF takes 3 minutes, you seem to be struggling.
21:38:42 <ais523> oklopol: you can do multiplication the same way as Brainfuck, that's how my hello world works
21:38:45 <tusho> you've been at it for days in #esoteric-blah, after all.
21:39:14 <oklopol> ais523: i know, i'm an esolang programmer, i just didn't realize there isn't a multiplication operator
21:40:05 <oklopol> wanna give me a few pointers about how to use the two stacks, i may be missing some of the usefulness you can get from the multiple threads
21:40:57 <ais523> oklopol: use the top of each stack as a temporary variable, push from one stack to the other to move the variables along an imaginary "tape"
21:41:10 <ais523> it's like programming in Brainfuck except that you can read either at the pointer or at the cell after
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21:41:41 <oklopol> was just thinking, there's two threads
21:42:07 <oklopol> but i think i'll discover the usefulness of everything once i have the time to work on it, which is prolly tomorrow
21:44:18 * dogface decides he's screeble-satisfied
21:45:59 <dogface> I seem to remember Glass being a wonderful language or something.
21:46:15 <dogface> Probably has a lot to do with the name of it.
21:46:47 <RodgerTheGreat> dogface: it's fairly interesting and powerful, but not well documented
21:46:51 <dogface> If I called a language Forensic Engineering, I'd probably like it even more.
21:47:12 <tusho> I'd like a language called (Possibly) Impending Doom
21:47:14 <oerjan> http://www.icaneatglass.com/
21:47:44 * oerjan read that as Implementing Doom for a moment
21:48:07 <dogface> I read your "Implementing Doom" as "Impending Doom" for a moment.
21:49:34 <dogface> Hmm. Forensic engineering is really only much fun when it happens on the Moon.
21:50:03 <tusho> Forensic Mooningeering.
21:50:23 <oerjan> coincidentally, i just got to http://tr.froup.com/tr.pl?1410
21:50:29 <dogface> "The Moon is the only celestial body to which humans have travelled and upon which humans have landed." I wonder how long I've spent thinking we've been to Mars as well.
21:50:40 <tusho> dogface: Seriously?
21:51:24 <oerjan> you should understand that within the context of that comic, the cheese is entirely unsurprising
21:51:40 <oerjan> perhaps less surprising than the rocks
21:52:58 <dogface> Wait, does this mean nobody has visited a celestial body since 1972?
21:53:46 <dogface> We need a new cold war. :-P
21:53:59 <oerjan> be careful what you wish for, etc.
21:54:17 <tusho> dogface: Bit underinformed, aren't we :P
21:54:41 <oerjan> also, the chinese will probably do it soon
21:54:56 <dogface> That's what I get for reading comics where there are rovers on Venus and a permanent colony on the Moon.
21:55:35 <oerjan> the scifi future has been somewhat unevenly implemented
21:56:11 <oerjan> cyberspace is coming around fairly nicely. as nicely as you can get without true AI i guess
21:57:53 <oerjan> we _do_ have rovers on Mars, in case you didn't know
21:58:01 <oerjan> Venus has some ... problems
21:58:04 <ais523> oerjan: yes, see the ICFP contest for instance
21:58:08 <dogface> I knew about Mars, yes. :-)
21:58:10 <ais523> although many of them got eaten by Martians
21:58:23 <ais523> well, not eaten, sacrificed to their gods, but probably eaten afterwards
21:58:38 <tusho> So ais523, if you win, how many %age of the winnings will go to fund ESO creating a martian base? :-P
21:58:50 <ais523> probably 0, negative if I can get away with it
21:58:53 * oerjan didn't follow this years ICFP contest much
21:59:13 <ais523> I qualified through the first 7 knockout rounds in both the lightning and the main competitions
22:00:06 <oerjan> martians can eat metal?
22:00:14 <tusho> ais523: But how will we build a martian base now?!
22:00:39 <oerjan> antimatter is rather hot food
22:00:42 <dogface> Luckily, all successful Mars landings were successful because they went through an odd wormhole, turning them into antimatter.
22:00:59 <dogface> That's how they power their internal annihilation engines.
22:01:55 <dogface> All successful Mars landings were successful because they went through EVEN wormholes, thereby NOT turning them into antimatter, thereby making the Martians not like them.
22:02:37 <oerjan> an even number of wormholes, i take it you mean
22:02:39 <dogface> "Of 38 launches from Earth in an attempt to reach the planet, only 19 succeeded, a success rate of 50%." Do you think a probability of exactly 50% is just a coincidence?
22:03:06 <dogface> An even number of odd wormholes, I guess, odd wormhole meaning a wormhole that turns stuff into antimatter.
22:05:31 <oerjan> well, clearly there should be any combination of P,C, and T wormholes, except that PCT may be the identity
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22:06:40 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPT_symmetry
22:10:10 <dogface> Hmm. A T wormhole would spew antimatter. A C wormhole would change the charge of everything going through it, which, in practice, probably means it would spew antimatter. A P wormhole would just mirror everything.
22:10:42 <oerjan> C spews antimatter, is what i thought
22:13:04 <dogface> Isn't it hypothesized or something that antimatter is equivalent to matter going through time in reverse?
22:14:34 <oerjan> i'm vague on this, although i thought that was part of the whole CPT thing
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22:19:26 <oerjan> the article on T-symmetry has a relevant paragraph
22:19:47 <oerjan> "because due to the conservation of the CPT symmetry, the effect of time reversal is to rename particles as antiparticles and vice versa"
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23:24:23 <oklopol> # + - ascending fourth or tritone
23:24:24 <oklopol> # - - descending fourth or tritone
23:24:38 <ais523> a tritone is exactly half an octave
23:24:54 <oklopol> how can they both be tritone?
23:25:02 <ais523> tritone upwards, tritone downwards
23:25:20 <ais523> (if the C is lower than the F#)
23:25:33 <oklopol> ascending was a term for sharp :P
23:25:33 <ais523> intervals of an octave or more are NOPs
23:27:18 <oklopol> actually i read the descriptions completely wrong
23:27:45 <oklopol> just assumed they went 0 1 2 3 4 5 6, as the first was unison, and last was sixth
23:27:55 <oklopol> i'm a bit too tired i think
23:28:43 <oklopol> your examples on ascending and descending tritones are a bit... useless :D
23:29:19 <ais523> yes, that's why I put the note at the end
23:29:22 <ais523> when I realised my mistake
23:29:40 <oklopol> sorry, i seem to be unable to think atm
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23:49:53 <tusho> psygnisfive i have definitive proof that i am not a girl
23:50:41 <psygnisfive> tusho, i believe you're a boy, you know this.
23:50:59 <tusho> yes, but AnMaster doesn't
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23:51:54 <tusho> it's just a photo of me that doesn't look female :P
23:52:01 <tusho> two photos, actually, this delay is me deciding which one is less hideously ugly
23:52:04 <tusho> (i was very tired when i took them.)
23:52:38 <tusho> although theoretically, you could URL hack to find the other one
23:52:43 <tusho> but don't. because it's even more ugly
23:52:50 <tusho> because I was very tired
23:52:56 <tusho> http://tentaclerapture.com/lulz/photo2.jpg
23:53:52 <psygnisfive> but you have those double incisors which is always cute.
23:55:08 <tusho> psygnisfive why are you using gnome-vfs to download that
23:55:25 <tusho> i have the log entries to prove it
23:55:38 <tusho> ok, someone else is doing that then
23:55:44 <tusho> whoever did that, that's creepy :P
23:56:06 <tusho> psygnisfive: the gnome component that lets it treat http:// and ftp:// and such as filesystems
23:56:31 <tusho> psygnisfive: so that ftp://foo.com/ would, e.g. work in a file browser
23:56:34 <tusho> or anything else that consumes files
23:56:36 <tusho> basically like a kpart
23:56:44 <tusho> also, lol, you navigated to the root of tentaclerapture.com
23:57:25 <tusho> that would be funny if the domain wasn't explicitly picked as that pun
23:58:33 <tusho> just wait for the rapture, then
23:58:59 <tusho> originally we wanted velociraptu.re
23:59:04 <tusho> but you have to be a citizen of Reunion for that
23:59:45 <tusho> well yea, but that's kind of ugly
23:59:52 <tusho> it's easier to type foo.bar
23:59:56 <tusho> than add some slashes and shit to it
23:59:59 <tusho> that's just strained