00:02:24 <ehird> The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with
00:02:24 <ehird> judiciously placed print statements.
00:02:25 <ehird> -- Brian W. Kernighan, in the paper Unix for Beginners (1979)
00:02:27 <ehird> (AnMaster, at this point, has a heart attack.)
00:03:00 <GregorR> Wouldn't it be cool if that wasn't /still/ true :P
00:03:26 <ehird> GregorR: I'm perfectly happy with it.
00:04:35 <GregorR> Hah, a your-mom-by-proxy :P
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00:16:11 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, protruding as they were, kept snagging on the foliage.
00:16:37 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, I mean tears, dripped down his face, as he wallowed in self-pity and killed himself.
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00:20:26 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, attached to the slave he owns, twitched. "Master, I think there's a faggot around!" Then, a hamburger enveloped the world.
00:21:27 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, because when his ears slow their pace, you know it's for a reason.
00:22:28 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the most reliable instrument he knows, beeped. Clearly his pacemaker was running too fast.
00:22:48 <ehird> Warrigal: Please do conform that these are good.
00:24:06 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, confused. Why, he wondered, did I turn into my ears?
00:27:54 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, and suddenly his pace became erratic.
00:27:58 <ehird> ("To delay; retard.")
00:28:41 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, still in the process of being reattached, began to tear. "Hey," his surgeon yelled, "I'm trying to reattach your ears here! Stop it!"
00:29:05 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, his grammar leading nowhere.
00:31:15 <AnMaster> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, eyes and nose all sensed great danger nearby
00:31:24 <AnMaster> anyone used the comma that way yet?
00:31:32 <ehird> David slowed (his pace slightly) as (his ears, in a vat of chocolate); only his less slightly paces can go faster.
00:31:40 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, in a vat of chocolate; only his less slightly paces can go faster.
00:31:50 <GregorR> "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, nose, mouth, and eyes spontaneously exploded."
00:32:05 <pikhq> He accidentally the verb.
00:32:07 <augur> does anyone know what class of grammars you get when you add synthesizable attributes to regular expressions?
00:32:14 <pikhq> He accidentally the word.
00:32:15 <Warrigal> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, which are more selective about the direction the sound comes from than the average pair of ears, picked some conversation through a window of the building he was passing.
00:32:20 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, is this dangerous?
00:32:30 <GregorR> AnMaster: You did that at the same time as somebody used it that way via AIM at me :P
00:32:35 <pikhq> augur: Yes, but I'm not that person.
00:32:40 <Warrigal> Which is the original and therefore boring.
00:33:17 <AnMaster> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, firmly attached to his head, heard a lot of people talking about his ears.
00:33:31 <lament> Dumbo slowed his pace slightly as his ears, exhausted during the long flight, faltered in the wind.
00:33:50 <augur> i know that with attributes you can get /some/ context sensitive behavior
00:33:53 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, srae sih sa ylthgils ecap sih dewols divad.
00:34:27 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, which due to mutation were on his feet, began to hurt.
00:35:11 <Warrigal> It seems to me that a mutation like that would simply add more ears, not move the existing ears.
00:35:21 <lament> Dumbo slowed his pace slightly as his ears, \m/ \m/
00:35:32 <Warrigal> It also seems to me that ears generally don't burst forth from people's heads.
00:35:43 <pikhq> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, overlords of all, had commanded him to.
00:36:23 <pikhq> Warrigal: Not even bursting forth fully grown, as per Greek mythology?
00:36:42 <AnMaster> Warrigal, where, except on the head, would ears be?
00:36:51 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the grammar-distorting other-worldly things they are, caused a person to say "Hi, David Slowed! Your pace is as slightly as your ears."
00:37:00 <Warrigal> AnMaster: GregorR mentioned ears being on feet.
00:37:11 <Warrigal> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, because it would have been impossible for him to slow his pace more than his ears'.
00:37:12 <ehird> David Slowed, his pace slightly as his ears,.
00:37:28 <GregorR> Holy crap, everything from "<pikhq> He accidentally the verb." to "<augur> D:" hit me at once.
00:37:41 <GregorR> And I haven't received anything since then, which I suspect have been sent.
00:37:50 <ehird> GregorR: Aww, you're missing my hilarious one.
00:38:06 <pikhq> GregorR: Holy *CRAP*, man. You have more lag than I. And my packets GO TO SPACE AND BACK.
00:38:21 <AnMaster> * Ping reply from pikhq: 3.27 second(s)
00:38:32 <AnMaster> haven't gotten a reply from GregorR yet
00:38:32 <pikhq> Sounds about right.
00:38:45 <Warrigal> I wonder how my packets get from here to normish.org and back within a few milliseconds.
00:38:57 <AnMaster> <GregorR> AnMaster: Hah, nice'n. <-- which one?
00:39:18 <Warrigal> Specifically, about 38 milliseconds.
00:41:08 <ehird> GregorR: APPRECIATE MY MOST RECENT ONE :<
00:41:40 <AnMaster> still no ping reply from GregorR
00:42:31 <pikhq> AnMaster: Crap, man.
00:42:52 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, \ David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, \ Oh David slowed his pace, \ yes David slowed his pace, \ Oh David slowed his pace slightly as his ears!
00:43:09 <ehird> 00:36 ehird: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the grammar-distorting other-worldly things they are, caused a person to say "Hi, David Slowed! Your pace is as slightly as your ears." 00:37 ehird: Geddit? 00:37 ehird: David Slowed, his pace slightly as his ears,.
00:43:11 <ehird> APPRECIATE GregorR >:|
00:43:16 <ehird> I spent ages on that.
00:45:01 <Warrigal> Protip: David looks something like this: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1800/fc01738.png
00:45:17 <pikhq> Good to know. Also, <3 Freefall.
00:45:25 <Warrigal> But male, differently colored, a lot younger, and so on.
00:46:00 <Warrigal> As far as I can tell, nobody has yet interpreted "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears," as referring to sex.
00:46:13 <GregorR> * Ping reply from ehird: ? second(s)
00:46:14 <GregorR> * Ping reply from AnMaster: ? second(s)
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00:46:23 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, as he is of a rather odd species, orgasmed.
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00:47:01 * GregorR hopes he's less lagged this time.
00:47:15 <GregorR> * Ping reply from ehird: ? second(s)
00:47:17 <GregorR> * Ping reply from AnMaster: ? second(s)
00:47:25 <GregorR> I don't know what that means :P
00:47:39 <ehird> 00:43 ehird: 00:36 ehird: David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the grammar-distorting other-worldly things they are, caused a person to say "Hi, David Slowed! Your pace is as slightly as your ears." 00:37 ehird: Geddit? 00:37 ehird: David Slowed, his pace slightly as his ears,.
00:47:41 <ehird> 00:43 ehird: APPRECIATE GregorR >:|
00:47:43 <ehird> 00:43 ehird: I spent ages on that.
00:47:46 <AnMaster> * Ping reply from GregorR: 356.19 second(s)
00:47:48 <AnMaster> * Ping reply from GregorR: 199.91 second(s)
00:48:17 <GregorR> AnMaster: That seems about right >:(
00:48:19 <GregorR> ehird: That's pretty good :P
00:48:24 <GregorR> ehird: Wish 'slightly' was an adjective :P
00:48:26 <ehird> GregorR: Now read the tunes.org logs :P
00:48:42 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> <GregorR> AnMaster: Hah, nice'n. <-- which one?
00:48:59 <GregorR> <AnMaster> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, firmly attached to his head, heard a lot of people talking about his ears.
00:49:27 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, ears, oh such wonderful ears, and he slowed his pace slightly.
00:50:41 <ehird> AnMaster: which are we talking about?
00:50:43 <ehird> [[David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, the grammar-distorting other-worldly things they are, caused a person to say "Hi, David Slowed! Your pace is as slightly as your ears."]]?
00:51:04 <ehird> The parse of the start there is [[David Slowed, his pace slightly as his ears,]]
00:51:39 <AnMaster> <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, ears, oh such wonderful ears, and he slowed his pace slightly.
00:51:55 <ehird> AnMaster: What's unparsable about it?
00:52:22 <AnMaster> ehird, "as his ears, ears, oh such wonderful ears, and he slowed his pace slightly"
00:52:43 <AnMaster> ehird, I fail to see how it works.
00:52:59 <AnMaster> ehird, Me = Not native speaker.
00:53:41 <AnMaster> ehird, basically I don't see how the construct "foo y as x, x, oh x, and y"
00:53:43 <ehird> AnMaster: I've spoken to tons of native speakers and none of them have such troubles with grammar as you do. Incidentally, hen I excused someone for being a non-native speaker, you said "I'M non-native and I understood it!"
00:54:43 <lament> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, but wait, gentle reader, because this story really began long before, on a dark, stormy night...
00:54:58 <AnMaster> ehird, but the one "David Slowed, his pace slightly as his ears" seems to be "David Slowed" as a name.
00:55:09 <ehird> And it's saying that his pace was as slightly as his ears.
00:55:29 <ehird> Learn English, mmkay?
00:55:42 <AnMaster> ehird, Learn Swedish and then we will talk
00:55:48 <lament> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, my god, why am I writing this junk, I repeat, his ears heard the dying cries of his family, seriously I shouldn't be writing novels, this is just a desperate attempt.
00:55:58 <ehird> AnMaster: I'm not the one in a Swedish-speaking channel, asking what constructs mean every 5 seconds.
00:56:00 <Warrigal> "David slowed his pace as slightly as his ears, ears, oh such wonderful ears, and he slowed his pace slightly."
00:57:06 <GregorR> ehird: Yeah, slightly is not an adjective :P
00:57:14 <ehird> GregorR: Sure it is.
00:57:29 <AnMaster> ehird, not every 5 seconds. Try to exaggerate less often. It doesn't fit you.
00:57:38 <GregorR> It's not an adjective just because you decree that it is :P
00:57:44 <ehird> AnMaster: Funny, that; I don't give a shit.
00:57:57 <ehird> GregorR: you're a poop.
00:58:06 <Warrigal> Indeed, "slightly" is not an adjective.
00:58:33 <AnMaster> then what is "slightly"? Adverb?
00:59:29 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, tingling slightly due to the arrow through his head, went numb.
01:00:10 <ehird> Can "ears" be construed as a verb?
01:00:57 <lament> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, load as they were, went unheeded. "Ear, ear!", he tried again.
01:00:59 <Warrigal> I'm thinking "old" cannot be used as a singular noun.
01:01:07 <ehird> Warrigal: So "his ears" would be David earing the boat, instead of the old.
01:01:22 <Warrigal> The synaesthetic ears the boat.
01:01:24 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, uh, what was it, oh yeah, the boat.
01:01:27 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, bottled in formaldehyde, caught his eye. "Oh," he thought, "to be alive again."
01:01:35 <Warrigal> There, "synaesthetic" is both a singular noun and an adjective.
01:02:19 <GregorR> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, on a boat, were on a boat.
01:02:34 <Warrigal> GregorR: write something that puts everything said beginning with "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears," on a web site that lets people vote them up and down.
01:02:44 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, jealous as they were of his nautical-themed pashmina afghan, jumped off the boat.
01:02:56 <GregorR> Warrigal: I actually considered that, then decided it was too stupid :P
01:03:34 <pikhq> This coming from a man that lets you vote on his hat.
01:04:05 <ehird> GregorR should give me tacit endorsement for, I think, referencing the same thing as him.
01:05:48 <AnMaster> GregorR, there is still an x for one hat?
01:06:40 <AnMaster> GregorR, ouch, what one was it?
01:07:01 <lament> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, powerless to resist the inexorable pull of the black hole, disappeared beyond the event horizon with a brilliant flash of light.
01:07:02 <GregorR> It's just at home somewhere, probably not lost permanently.
01:07:08 <Warrigal> I'm totally going to send GregorR a top hat with a hatband of color 7a9ec0.
01:07:08 <GregorR> lament: Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahah
01:07:20 <ehird> lyttle lytton + david's ears.
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01:08:27 <AnMaster> GregorR, comparing it seems to be http://codu.org/hats/HighlandsTravellingHat-med.jpg ?
01:08:28 <Warrigal> ehird: the opening like "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears," reminded me of the Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest the moment I saw it.
01:09:02 <Warrigal> Let's submit the best of these to the BLFC, shall we?
01:09:09 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, washed away in the sea as they were, bobbed along. He was unaware of this event.
01:09:14 <ehird> Warrigal: No, the lyttle one.
01:09:16 <GregorR> AnMaster: Yeah, suffice to say I didn't know the proper name at the time :P
01:09:18 <ehird> http://adamcadre.ac/lyttle.html
01:09:23 <AnMaster> GregorR, link on http://codu.org/pvcinstruments/ is broken
01:10:08 <ehird> I like my most recent one :(
01:10:22 <GregorR> AnMaster: Bleh, stupid pages disappearing :(
01:10:29 <GregorR> Hold on, I'm actually making this stupid site :P
01:10:54 * AnMaster enters http://codu.org in klinkstatus
01:11:20 <ehird> Status of my klinks.
01:11:52 <AnMaster> ehird, kno, kit kis kjust kkde kway kof kdoing kit
01:12:02 <ehird> AnMaster: you're spidering all of GregorR's site?
01:12:05 <ehird> that's kind of dicky.
01:12:13 <AnMaster> ehird, no, just one step recursive
01:12:51 <GregorR> ehird: Google spiders my site all the time :P
01:12:54 <AnMaster> ehird, so first one, and any external links from them
01:13:09 <AnMaster> anyway klinkstatus locked up (#!"
01:13:43 <AnMaster> GregorR, broken internal links at least
01:15:08 <AnMaster> GregorR, something linked to http://codu.org/masterpiecemachine/lib/midi.php
01:16:04 <AnMaster> GregorR, http://codu.org/sitemap/ links to inaccessible files
01:16:13 <AnMaster> "Warning: Missing argument 2 for getTitle(), called in /var/www/sitemap/gwsitemap.php on line 110 and defined in /var/www/sitemap/gwsitemap.php on line 180"
01:16:23 <GregorR> Yeah, I probably need to get rid of that.
01:17:04 <AnMaster> GregorR, not at all, useful to find secret files
01:17:35 <GregorR> At the very least, I need a much better piece of software for it.
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01:19:29 <GregorR> I think I should just take bash.org's software :P
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01:20:13 <AnMaster> GregorR, image links broken on http://codu.org/pvcinstruments/baritonetrombute.php
01:20:58 <GregorR> And I know why, I got rid of that album software :P
01:21:28 <AnMaster> GregorR, just add the images back
01:21:52 <GregorR> Doing other shtuff right now :P
01:22:03 <ehird> 01:19 GregorR: I think I should just take bash.org's software :P
01:22:09 <ehird> wtf has bash got to do with that :P
01:22:47 <AnMaster> GregorR, http://codu.org/projects/trac/oblisk/. Logo area links to http://oblisk.codu.org/projects/trac/oblisk/ which is 404
01:23:57 <AnMaster> GregorR, http://codu.org/projects/trac/directnet/ links to http://software.senko.net/projects/cyfer/ Invalid domains
01:24:25 <AnMaster> and to http://swox.com/gmp/ which is 404
01:24:49 <AnMaster> that is a seriously old URL for libgmp
01:25:04 <ehird> oblisk is seriously old.
01:25:50 <AnMaster> ehird, still it takes like 3 clicks and waiting 5 minutes to get the results from a link checker app
01:29:33 <ehird> fizzie: do you know stuff about ipv6? iirc you do.
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01:37:32 <ehird> Things, robots;; action, things!!!
01:40:40 <ehird> GregorR: Step 1 - stop using SQL. Step 2 - stop using PHP. Step 3 - nirvana.
01:41:00 <GregorR> What database language do you suggest X_X
01:41:16 <ehird> GregorR: What part of this toy you're creating involves relational things?
01:41:31 <ehird> GregorR: Indeed, isn't an entry just (text,points)?
01:41:37 <ehird> You just want to store objects. Do that.
01:41:40 <GregorR> Keeping track of the votes such that an IP can't vote more than once.
01:41:50 <ehird> GregorR: That is not relational.
01:42:03 <pikhq> GregorR: ehird, of course, suggests using CSV. He also suggests using Java.
01:42:16 <ehird> pikhq: Fuck off, that's a wild, bullshit assumption.
01:42:31 <pikhq> See? That's his recommendation!
01:46:34 <ehird> GregorR: link to your rendered toccata?
01:46:51 <GregorR> Oh, OUT by my MIDI you mean?
01:46:57 <GregorR> http://codu.org/music/auto/Onerously%20Uptight%20Toccata.ogg
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02:17:07 <GregorR> http://codu.org/davidslowed/
02:18:51 <GregorR> Takes me too long to write web sites I guess :P
02:19:36 * pikhq vomits at Win32 some more.
02:19:53 <pikhq> Their replacement for int argc, char **argv is LPCSTR lpCmdLine.
02:20:03 <pikhq> ... Which is of type const char long**.
02:20:17 <GregorR> I guess it would be good if this told you when it added one :P
02:40:28 <GregorR> Whoops, screwed it up a bit ;P
02:51:13 <GregorR> I like how when I finally get it together, nobody cares any more :P
02:55:17 <pikhq> Why would we care?
02:55:38 <GregorR> The intarwebs made me do it!
03:09:22 <pikhq> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, forcing GregorR to do it.
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03:24:08 <Warrigal> You know, there's a whole set of these.
03:24:22 <Warrigal> Arthur was about to enter the bedroom when he noticed something strange.
03:24:22 <Warrigal> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears,
03:24:22 <Warrigal> It was a simple operation: David would open the door quietly, sneak
03:24:22 <Warrigal> "If you don't know what to say, say it. If you do know what to say, don't."
03:24:22 <Warrigal> Chris to Arthur at his computer: I suppose you're too busy to help load the car?
03:24:26 <Warrigal> Arthur: Does this David have parents?
03:24:28 <Warrigal> Arthur said, "You know, there's this problem I've been trying to solve for quite a while. Maybe you could help me with it."
03:24:31 <Warrigal> David tried to rest his elbow on the piano, but was surprised
03:32:16 <lament> A way a lone a last a loved a long the David slowed his pace slightly as his ears,
03:32:28 <Warrigal> Well, they're from the files in http://normish.org/ihope/dodadodidi/.
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03:40:13 <augur> over toasted my tunnbröd
03:41:46 <GregorR> http://codu.org/davidslowed/?id=24
03:52:36 <Warrigal> Is the one in the topic on that side?
03:53:34 <GregorR> http://codu.org/davidslowed/?id=1
04:10:51 <GregorR> (11:10:32 PM) <>: This is terrible! I can't find any Ahmadinejad porn.
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06:00:31 <pikhq> GregorR: Poor rule 34.
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06:06:38 <GregorR> I now present to you, "Gregor is a moron", a play in four acts.
06:06:40 <GregorR> <GregorR> EgoBot: SPEAK TO ME
06:06:46 <GregorR> <GregorR> codu.org seems to have disapperated >_>
06:06:48 <GregorR> <GregorR> ............ either that, or it's my Internet connection that's down >_>
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10:17:53 * oerjan wonders if myndzi is ignoring immibis
10:17:53 * myndzi wonders if oerjan is ignoring immibis
10:18:27 * immibis wonders if myndzi is ignoring him
10:18:27 * myndzi wonders if immibis is ignoring him
10:18:39 * myndzi * mymyndziyndzmyndzimmibimyndzimmibisf
10:18:52 * immibis * myndzi immibisf immibis immibis immibis immibisf
10:18:53 * myndzi * immibis myndzimmibimyndzimmibimyndzimmibimyndzimmibisf
10:18:53 * oerjan thinks myndzi requires more than just oerjanf
10:18:54 * myndzi thmyndziyndzmyndzierjanf
10:19:03 * oerjan thinks myndzi requires more than just oerjanfg
10:19:03 * myndzi thmyndziyndzmyndzierjanfg
10:19:08 * oerjan thinks myndzi requires more than just oerjanfgh
10:19:23 * oerjan thinks myndzi requires more than just oerjanfghi
10:19:32 * myndzi * myndziyndzif immibis
10:19:52 * immibis * myndzifimmibisf myndzi immibis
10:19:53 * myndzi * mymyndziyndzifimmibisf immibis myndzi
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10:20:10 <M0ny> [11:19] * myndzi * mymyndziyndzifimmibisf immibis myndzi
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14:10:47 <comex> well, I had to try
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14:56:16 <GregorR> The problem is that myndzi's bot assumes mIRC-style, so if your nick is shorter than six characters, and you put it at the beginning of the line, it can't fit its response in.
15:05:19 <puzzlet_> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
15:05:19 <myndzi> /´\ >\ >\ /| /< /< /< |\ |\
15:05:51 <ais523> ok, what's with the topic?
15:05:58 <ais523> if that isn't ehird's work, I'd be surprised
15:06:03 <ais523> although not completely surprised
15:07:11 <GregorR> Already my fine work is being stolen in ehird's name.
15:07:49 <ais523> and did you write it by hand, or by bot?
15:08:15 <GregorR> It started with Warrigal posting "David slowed his pace slightly as his ears,", or more accurately catting it out of some file
15:08:28 <GregorR> Then he put that in the topic (including comma)
15:08:32 <GregorR> I merely .... finished it.
15:08:43 <GregorR> The ultimate result is http://codu.org/davidslowed/
15:12:18 <GregorR> http://codu.org/davidslowed/?id=24 // probably my favorite
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15:55:01 <Slereah> "But on account of its obvious arbitrariness, it is probably without any real significance."
15:55:19 <Slereah> Fact : people where saying Iota was totally not awesome for almost a hundred years
16:05:09 <Slereah> "The expression thus assumes the form FU"
16:11:22 <Slereah> Apparently, with combinators S, K and Z, you can do it without parentheses.
16:13:05 <Slereah> "By means of C, Z, and S, therefore, every formula of logic can be written without parentheses as a simple sequence of these signs and can therefore be characterized completely by a number written to the base 3."
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16:31:04 <Slereah> And here it is : http://verrahrubicon.free.fr/Combinator.pdf
16:31:09 <Slereah> If you see typos tell me :3
16:31:41 <AnMaster> GregorR, what is this "mirc style" you mentioned?
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16:32:55 <AnMaster> <GregorR> The ultimate result is http://codu.org/davidslowed/ <-- didn't you say doing that was too silly?
16:33:45 <AnMaster> it just jumps to the bottom of the page
16:34:35 <GregorR-L> (I should probably use the bash.org style, but this was quicker and easier)
16:35:31 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, did you import the ones from the channel?
16:36:30 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, why does it need to open a popup at all?
16:36:49 <GregorR-L> I didn't want to navigate away from the site as-is, and I reaaaaaaaaally didn't want to get into XHR sh**
16:37:30 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, ajax would be even worse :P
16:37:47 <GregorR-L> Well, I didn't want to navigate away from the page every time you vote.
16:39:02 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, so you prefer to open one new tab for each click?
16:39:19 <AnMaster> because that is what it does when I use firefox
16:39:40 <GregorR-L> It's not "prefer", it's "have no other alternative"
16:40:06 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> (I should probably use the bash.org style, but this was quicker and easier) <-- you admitted there *was* an alternative above.
16:40:22 <fizzie> The "mirc style" is probably the "messages aligned at the start of nicknames", in contrast to "aligned so that last letters of the nicknames (or first letters of the messages) align up".
16:40:34 <GregorR-L> I refer to alternatives that I am not too lazy to implement.
16:40:35 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, did http://codu.org/davidslowed/?id=31 ever work?
16:41:14 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, how are they stored on the server? PostgreSQL? SQLite? Plain text file?
16:41:37 <AnMaster> GregorR-L odd choice for server side
16:41:50 <GregorR-L> I have no SQL server running on codu. It's nice.
16:42:20 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, yes, but iirc sqlite doesn't handle concurrent accesses too well?
16:42:37 <AnMaster> or do you run it as a single fcgi process or similar?
16:42:54 <GregorR-L> SQLite3, as far as I know, has no such problems.
16:44:36 <fizzie> I don't think it handles concurrency *that* well in sqlite3 either in the sense that there's quite a lot of locking going on, but certainly it handles it right in the sense that it won't break.
16:44:53 <GregorR-L> Whenever an insert is performed, the DB is locked.
16:45:05 <GregorR-L> So don't go inserting and then not closing your DB for ten minutes.
16:45:19 <AnMaster> fizzie, that was what I meant yes
16:45:49 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, um. couldn't you just insert then commit the transaction?
16:46:04 <GregorR-L> Yeah, that works too, but that involves typing "BEGIN TRANSACTION; ... COMMIT;" :P
16:46:06 <AnMaster> clearly it only needs to be locked while the transaction is actually being commited
16:46:58 <AnMaster> GregorR, doesn't sqlite3 default to implicit transaction around every SQL command if there isn't an explicit one, like that you typed
16:48:22 <GregorR-L> I /believe/ (this is beyond what I actually know for sure) that is considers your entire /connection/ to the database to be a transaction.
16:48:43 <GregorR-L> Wait, that makes no sense, it can't roll that back :P
16:49:05 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, that won't work, Since you can't do VACUUM in a transaction. yet you can do that during the connection
16:49:30 <GregorR-L> The point is it works well enough for me, and all these concerns are silly.
16:50:05 <fizzie> "By default, SQLite version 3 operates in autocommit mode. In autocommit mode, all changes to the database are committed as soon as all operations associated with the current database connection complete." and then it continues with how BEGIN TRANSACTION makes it go out of autocommit mode.
16:50:38 <AnMaster> sqlite> BEGIN TRANSACTION; VACUUM; COMMIT;
16:50:38 <AnMaster> SQL error: cannot VACUUM from within a transaction
16:51:15 <fizzie> Cannot VACUUM a database this DIRTY. What have you been DOING here, herding CATTLE?
16:51:37 <AnMaster> in case you don't know, VACUUM is that "reclaim space from DELETEs and similar" command.
16:51:52 <AnMaster> like OPTIMIZE in MySQL for example
16:53:02 <AnMaster> btw, check the sqlite files in your firefox profile directory, they can grow pretty large, VACUUM once / month or so tends to help. Both for file size and to make firefox slightly less sluggish
16:53:29 <AnMaster> do not VACUUM them while firefox is running however
16:54:27 <AnMaster> for the urlclassifier one it can usually save between 5 and 20 MB
16:57:37 <GregorR-L> gregor@debian:~$ du -sh .mozilla/firefox/
16:57:37 <GregorR-L> gregor@debian:~$ for i in `find .mozilla/firefox/ -name '*.sqlite'`; do echo 'VACUUM;' | sqlite3 $i; done
16:57:37 <GregorR-L> gregor@debian:~$ du -sh .mozilla/firefox/
16:58:31 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, why are you using stdin?
16:59:53 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, if you no longer use firefox 2.x then you can remove the urlclassifier2.sqlite, since firefox3 use urlclassifier3.sqlite only
17:00:13 <AnMaster> there are probably quite a few other files left over from older firefox versions too
17:00:56 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, isn't that just firefox rebranded by debian?
17:01:33 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, same basic thing then :P
17:02:08 <GregorR-L> Yes, but /mine/ ... breaks web sites that are too specific about their user agent checks.
17:03:30 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, trivial to fake user agent
17:04:09 <GregorR-L> Yeah, but it's /just/ entertaining enough to find the sites that still perform user agent checks in 2009 that I don't want to.
17:04:15 <AnMaster> if your website break if you don't know the user agent you are doing something wrong
17:04:25 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, example of such websites?
17:05:14 <AnMaster> # update-mime-database /usr/local/share/mime/
17:05:14 <AnMaster> update-mime-database: I don't have write permission on /usr/local/share/mime.
17:05:35 <AnMaster> # ls -l /usr/local/share/mime/
17:05:35 <AnMaster> ls: cannot access /usr/local/share/mime/: No such file or directory
17:09:02 <GregorR-L> It's been quite a while since I've found one
17:09:07 <Floor_Feline> argh... I've been resisting updating my Linux kernel for too long now. but stuff always breaks. :/
17:09:15 <GregorR-L> hotmail was one, but isn't anymore.
17:09:24 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, why would things break?
17:09:44 <AnMaster> aren't you using in-kernel drivers?
17:10:00 <Floor_Feline> and sound packaging is so screwed up on my system, I don't even know
17:10:15 <Floor_Feline> can't install ffmpeg without uninstalling mplayer
17:10:35 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, just upgrade mplayer to last version
17:10:43 * AnMaster wonders what shitty distro Floor_Feline is using
17:11:00 <Floor_Feline> unfortunately, I think I used a separate repository to get mplayer compiled in with a certain option
17:11:19 <Floor_Feline> in addition to some other software I needed.. at the time
17:11:31 <Floor_Feline> now there are conflicts. maybe I should just remove the repository >_>
17:11:49 <Floor_Feline> I'm not even sure what's causing it. should look into it.
17:12:09 <AnMaster> I have no clue what distro this is, but "repository" limits it to not include gentoo at least
17:13:34 <pikhq> I could've sworn that Apt was better than that.
17:14:09 <Floor_Feline> I'm guessing it's different versions of a library that happens to be in the other repository I mentioned, based on some error messages I got yesterday. But I'll have to check it out...
17:14:19 <pikhq> GregorR-L: I use Conkeror, which is a browser running on XULrunner.
17:14:27 <pikhq> I, too, get to break user agent checks!
17:14:41 <AnMaster> pikhq, then you haven't tried updating between two stable debian releases...
17:14:57 <pikhq> AnMaster: Actually, I did.
17:15:04 <pikhq> Nothing broke the last two times I did it, at least.
17:15:13 * Floor_Feline uses ChatZilla, which is an IRC client running on XULRunner! >_>
17:15:24 <AnMaster> pikhq, did it try to uninstall apt, aptitude, glibc, the kernel and several other system critical packages for you too?
17:15:49 <pikhq> A hint: dist-upgrade
17:16:02 <AnMaster> pikhq, I followed debian's own upgrade guide
17:16:10 <pikhq> Oh, and technically I used aptitude, not apt-get...
17:16:28 <pikhq> You broke your system pretty well, then.
17:16:43 <AnMaster> pikhq, was a clean install just 5 days before the next stable was released
17:16:48 <AnMaster> anyway I ditched debian since then
17:17:45 <AnMaster> pikhq, I even tried asking for help on their irc channel. no one had any clue
17:19:07 <pikhq> So... Debian Fail.
17:19:51 <GregorR-L> <3 homoerotic symbols such as the one at the left of this line.
17:20:19 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Heart, not microphallus.
17:21:07 <GregorR-L> pikhq: If "microphallus" came to mind first instead of testicles, I would consult a urologist. Because there's more wrong with that than the size.
17:21:39 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, like the fact it is ascii
17:26:30 <AnMaster> what is this license http://pastebin.ca/1463601 ? It isn't BSD or GPL, and I don't really know much about other ones.
17:29:17 <GregorR-L> Not everything I say is homoerotic.
17:29:20 <Slereah> did someone say homoerotic symbols?
17:29:29 <Floor_Feline> hm. Firefox draft logo? http://mozillalinks.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/shiretokofirefoxicon-i2_large.png
17:29:33 <AnMaster> Slereah, um, yes. Use your scrollback
17:29:34 <GregorR-L> 8=I don't know what you're talking about=D
17:30:00 <GregorR-L> Floor_Feline: I see no appreciable difference.
17:30:07 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, more like "Daft rendering"
17:30:40 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, but seriously, I don't see the difference?
17:31:01 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, looks exactly the same to me
17:31:48 <Floor_Feline> via http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/05/final-firefox-35-update-a-new-logo/
17:31:51 <GregorR-L> Not if it looks more like a fox :P
17:31:52 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, hm. Hard to compare to a 32x32 icon in my taskbar
17:31:58 <GregorR-L> Seeing as that the firefox is neither on fire nor a fox.
17:32:13 <Floor_Feline> the only problem is that it doesn't look so good at a distance
17:32:39 <Floor_Feline> personally I'd favor the current one; it's more simple. Leave the tail alone :)
17:33:12 <GregorR-L> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Panda // I'm pretty sure the logo used to actually look like a Firefox.
17:33:19 <AnMaster> Floor_Feline, is the "current version" the one in 3.0?
17:34:09 <AnMaster> I seriously can't tell the difference when reduced to 32x32 (size of icons in kicker) or 16x16 (size in menu bar and in task bar)
17:34:20 <AnMaster> I don't usually see that logo any larger
17:34:20 <GregorR-L> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Iceweasel-icon.svg // I prefer this logo
17:34:30 <AnMaster> also when will thunderbird 3.x be released
17:36:36 <pikhq> CESSMASTER: Try GNU Iceweasel. ;)
17:36:41 <AnMaster> GregorR, Floor_Feline I prefer this logo: http://omploader.org/vMXVpYg
17:36:51 <AnMaster> yes that one. Not the new one.
17:38:02 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Panda // I'm pretty sure the logo used to actually look like a Firefox. <-- err? there is no logo there?
17:38:26 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: I'm pretty sure the Firefox logo used to look somewhat like an actual Firefox.
17:38:35 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: But they've changed it to look like a fox.
17:38:47 <AnMaster> I didn't use firefox between phoenix and firefox 1.0
17:38:55 <AnMaster> and phoenix definitely didn't have such a logo
17:39:11 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, remember phoenix? :D
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17:40:21 <AnMaster> so no one is going to comment on "<AnMaster> GregorR, Floor_Feline I prefer this logo: http://omploader.org/vMXVpYg" ?
17:41:21 <AnMaster> GregorR, that is the kdeclassic theme!
17:41:39 <GregorR-L> Yeah, I saw that logo a lot back in the day.
17:41:41 <AnMaster> which is considered classic even during KDE 3
17:42:37 <GregorR-L> I still maintain that KDE3 is better than KDE4.
17:42:48 <GregorR-L> But I use KDE4 because KDE3 is clearly not going to be maintained any more.
17:43:24 <AnMaster> Jun 17 17:01:21 tux [181932.512554] SCTP: Hash tables configured (established 65536 bind 65536) <-- wtf? This is wtf on several levels. 1) Why was SCTP enabled when I did only chat on irc. 2) What sort of app would actually enable SCTP... It is a great protocol... but nothing uses it.
17:43:47 <AnMaster> however the kernel module for it is loaded
17:44:21 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, well I'm going to change to another DE/WM I think
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17:45:15 <oerjan> because i knew you were going to say that, and it's NOT THE POINT
17:45:47 <oerjan> comex: in a referentially transparent way, i hope
17:47:53 <AnMaster> oerjan, from wikipedia "The animals most likely to drop from the sky in a rainfall are fish and frogs, with birds coming third."
17:48:27 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals
17:48:28 <oerjan> i guess if it's _really_ heavy rainfall, they could be knocked out? :D
17:49:17 <AnMaster> oerjan, what about "hagel"? Don't know English word. Somewhat like snow, but harder and as small balls of ice
17:50:30 <oerjan> i vaguely recall reading about 10cm instances
17:50:52 <oerjan> not usually appreciated, those :D
17:51:32 <GregorR-L> We describe large hail in sports terms :P
17:52:14 <GregorR-L> (I don't know if that's "we" English speakers or "we" Americans)
17:55:23 <oerjan> baseball sized hail is probable "we" Texans
17:55:56 * oerjan was reading that as "basketball"
17:56:43 <AnMaster> <oerjan> i vaguely recall reading about 10cm instances
17:56:54 <AnMaster> well yes, I have seen hail over 1 cm across
17:58:29 <AnMaster> isn't baseball like american cricket? I mean in terms of non-natives having no clue what the hell the game is about
17:58:51 <AnMaster> odd and complex rules and such
18:00:30 <GregorR-L> Whereas Cricket is, to my knowledge, the single most complex widely-played sport in existence.
18:00:32 <oerjan> up to 15 cm, says wikipedia
18:02:38 <oerjan> "But now we see that even the oddest cases have a rational explanation, involving nothing more unusual than Martians.
18:04:24 <AnMaster> oerjan, by father said he once saw 14 cm ones when he was about 17 years old.
18:04:49 <AnMaster> was mentioned in the local paper (I have seen that old article about it)
18:05:03 <AnMaster> (since I didn't believe him I went and checked in the archive at the library)
18:08:20 <ehird> David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, confused. Why, he wondered, didI turn into my ears?
18:08:53 <GregorR-L> ehird: Sorry, fekked it up on paste >_>
18:09:15 <ehird> GregorR-L: also you're missing my one where David Slowed is a name <_<
18:09:51 <ehird> GregorR-L: also there should be an order by top/bottom, and a show all (instead of just "all random")
18:10:29 <ehird> your mom is stupid
18:10:55 <ehird> 07:55:01 <Slereah> "But on account of its obvious arbitrariness, it is probably without any real significance."
18:10:56 <ehird> 07:55:19 <Slereah> Fact : people where saying Iota was totally not awesome for almost a hundred years
18:10:59 <ehird> yeah I can imagine that
18:11:01 <ehird> iota is pretty lame
18:11:14 <ehird> 08:11:22 <Slereah> Apparently, with combinators S, K and Z, you can do it without parentheses.
18:11:14 <ehird> 08:13:05 <Slereah> "By means of C, Z, and S, therefore, every formula of logic can be written without parentheses as a simple sequence of these signs and can therefore be characterized completely by a number written to the base 3."
18:11:18 <ehird> now combine them into one
18:11:26 <ehird> and we'll have an unary language that isn't a gödel encoding
18:11:59 <ehird> 08:39:02 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, so you prefer to open one new tab for each click?
18:11:59 <ehird> 08:39:19 <AnMaster> because that is what it does when I use firefox
18:12:06 <ehird> that's the worst way to browse the web i can possibly imagine
18:12:28 <GregorR-L> You've removed all context, that's not "browsing the web" :P
18:12:40 <ehird> 08:42:54 <GregorR-L> SQLite3, as far as I know, has no such problems.
18:12:47 <ehird> only one process/thread can write to an sqlite database at once
18:12:52 <GregorR-L> You've removed the entire future of that conversation.
18:12:54 <ehird> end of, and it will always be this way
18:13:06 <ehird> AnMaster: it was an honest mistake, stfu
18:13:14 <AnMaster> which is why it is best to ignore ehird while he is log reading
18:17:05 <ehird> 09:09:30 <Floor_Feline> ALSA mainly
18:17:31 <AnMaster> ehird, pulseaudio uses alsa or oss for the actual output
18:17:50 <AnMaster> ehird, I would suggest using jack instead
18:18:32 <GregorR-L> ALSA with dmix = stop using all these damn things on top of ALSA.
18:18:34 <ehird> also, pulseaudio > jack :)
18:18:54 <AnMaster> ehird, err, yes they do. For example, there are many apps that require jack to handle audio. For example rosegarden needs it to handle audio tracks (otherwise it can only handle midi tracks)
18:18:56 <Floor_Feline> I know some stuff about audio in Linux, but the system is way too complicated to try to comprehend
18:19:09 <Floor_Feline> I'll just leave it to the OS to hopefully not fuck things up beyond fixing
18:19:16 <AnMaster> ehird, and pulseaudio doesn't try to keep the latency down to the same level as jack iirc
18:19:19 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: People use Rosegarden for non-MIDI tracks?
18:19:38 <pikhq> Floor_Feline: Let's put it this way: we *finally* get something that works, and then people try breaking it again.
18:19:42 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, yes, and it also requires it for effects track
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18:19:51 <AnMaster> that is, external synth software
18:19:56 <pikhq> ALSA and dmix? THAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH! NEED MOAR BREAKING!
18:20:13 <ehird> pikhq: oh joy, you're one of the "ALSA is bunnies and unicorns that shit kitten rainbows" people
18:20:23 <AnMaster> just get a good sound card with a proper hardware mixer
18:20:26 <ehird> pikhq: i'm glad there are people less deluded so that i don't have to futz with that shit
18:20:34 <pikhq> AnMaster: Not commonly available.
18:20:52 <AnMaster> pikhq, oh? I think you could find them on newegg at least
18:21:05 <ehird> AnMaster: $0 vs >$0
18:21:15 <ehird> gee, I wonder which I'll pick
18:21:20 <ehird> oooh, 's hard one that.
18:21:33 <AnMaster> ehird, that assumes the mobo has onboard sound
18:21:43 <ehird> you can't buy a mobo without onboard sound afaik
18:21:57 <AnMaster> ehird, however there are cases where you need the >$0 one
18:22:03 <GregorR-L> ehird: You probably can, but pay more for it :P
18:22:09 <AnMaster> ehird, like if you are actually working professionally with sound.
18:22:20 <AnMaster> oh and I have seen server mobos without sound on them
18:22:25 <ehird> AnMaster: that's not strictly true, and certainly won't be in a few years.
18:22:32 <AnMaster> ehird, which of the statements
18:22:40 <ehird> 18:21 AnMaster: ehird, however there are cases where you need the >$0 one 18:22 AnMaster: ehird, like if you are actually working professionally with sound.
18:23:02 <ehird> you can work professionally with sound (but not all subfields, note) and not require a discreet soundcard.
18:23:08 <ehird> and in a few years, i don't see soundcards being useful at all
18:23:18 <ehird> AnMaster: you can buy motherboards with Creative X-Fi sound cards onboard btw.
18:23:41 <ehird> AnMaster: creative x-fi drivers on linux suck btw :P
18:23:57 <ehird> (none for years, then 64-bit only (!) binaries that suck, then 32-bit, now it's open sourced and still sucks)
18:24:43 <pikhq> I think the last Creative card with good Linux was the Soundblaster Live!
18:24:53 <pikhq> Linux support, rather.
18:24:54 <AnMaster> the emu10k1 driver rocks though
18:25:01 <ehird> 3DNow! and SoundBlaster Live!
18:25:04 <ehird> hey anyone have an audigy? >:)
18:25:11 <CESSMASTER> i had plenty of hilarious experiences trying to use an audigy on freebsd
18:25:19 <ehird> i wonder when we'll see active sound card cooling
18:25:29 <AnMaster> 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
18:25:29 <AnMaster> 00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! Game Port (rev 07)
18:25:32 <CESSMASTER> emu10k1 on bsd is black comedy in its purest form
18:25:43 <ehird> <master of cess> bsd is black comedy in its purest form
18:25:52 <ehird> ps CESSMASTER who the fuck are you :)
18:25:52 <AnMaster> the sound is actually better than the on board
18:26:07 <AnMaster> with same mixer settings the sblive gives more bass.
18:26:43 <ehird> speaking of bass, I've forgotten what it sounds like to have a subwoofer
18:26:46 <ehird> it's been years since I've heard one :P
18:26:50 <AnMaster> and I'm pretty sure it isn't just imagination, I connected the output to the line in jack and recorded both on board and sb live to verify.
18:27:13 <ehird> 09:16:10 <pikhq> Oh, and technically I used aptitude, not apt-get...
18:27:16 <ehird> you're not allowed to do that.
18:27:21 <ehird> they'll spank you.
18:27:31 <ehird> 09:17:45 <AnMaster> pikhq, I even tried asking for help on their irc channel. no one had any clue
18:27:31 <ehird> 09:19:07 <pikhq> So... Debian Fail.
18:27:43 <ehird> 's so not the reaction that would happen if someone had that problem with gentoo :)
18:27:48 <AnMaster> oh and, I don't use it, since I have pro headphones that can actually represent the bass
18:28:04 <ehird> 09:20:19 <pikhq> GregorR-L: Heart, not microphallus.
18:28:12 <ehird> GregorR-L's right, that's some fucked up micropenis.
18:28:30 <GregorR-L> Like I said, that calls for a urology consult.
18:28:31 <ehird> 09:28:49 <GregorR-L> It's roughly equivalent to BSD>
18:28:56 <ehird> 09:29:33 <AnMaster> Slereah, um, yes. Use your scrollback
18:28:58 <ehird> he was making a joke.
18:29:04 <ehird> because he's gay, you see?
18:29:18 <GregorR-L> <ehird> because he's gay, you see?
18:29:25 <GregorR-L> Now to be taken out of context for all eternity.
18:29:26 <AnMaster> the manual documents the frequency range as 5 - 30,000 Hz btw.
18:29:33 <ehird> ah. well, again i'm not the master of detecting jokes that (a) aren't funny (b) could easily be said by you and finally (c) that had no indicator of being jokes at all
18:30:22 <ehird> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/firefox-logos.png ← the current one beats the other two. redonkulous
18:30:29 <AnMaster> note to self: Always include relevant context
18:30:36 <GregorR-L> "No" is not an appropriate response to "Now to be taken out of context for all eternity."
18:30:42 <AnMaster> <AnMaster> ehird, ... so was I
18:30:43 <AnMaster> <ehird> because he's gay, you see?
18:30:45 <tetha> ehird: I guess the canonical answer to that is 'retune your irony detector, as it fails' :)
18:30:56 <ehird> tetha: that's not irony
18:30:59 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, so it was just on your side
18:31:17 <AnMaster> which makes it quite a bit less funny
18:31:17 <ehird> tetha: and i'd love to see you detect irony with no contextual hints and no speech tones
18:31:20 <ehird> and no facial expressions
18:31:26 <ehird> and it being something that AnMaster could very well say seriously.
18:31:33 <ehird> protip: you can't because you're not psychic.
18:31:37 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: tunes.org says otherwise.
18:31:38 <tetha> ehird: my dice can approximate that
18:31:55 <oerjan> AnMaster: give up, there is no escape
18:32:28 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, sure. But you still forget lag. you need the timestamp there when copying it
18:32:38 <ehird> i wonder when i first used firefox
18:32:49 <AnMaster> ehird, you never used phoenix?
18:32:55 <ehird> i started using ff 03-04.
18:33:11 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Mozilla_Firefox_logo_history.png
18:33:18 <ehird> good god, the original logo is awful
18:33:24 <AnMaster> young people today. Have no idea what it was like back on phoenix, oh and Netscape 2!
18:33:29 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Firefox_Delicacies.png ← I MISS THIS.
18:33:37 <ehird> Cookies are delicious delicacies.
18:33:53 <ehird> However, in reflection of the growing acceptance and use of the Firefox browser in the Internet mainstream, the text was later changed. It was considered a bug and was "fixed" by Mike Connor to read "Cookies are pieces of information stored by web pages on your computer. They are used to remember login information and other data". The revision was regarded as more likely to be helpful for the less technically oriented computer users who were now using Fi
18:33:55 <ehird> refox—representing Mozilla's desire to appeal to mainstream users.
18:33:57 <ehird> After this happened, the following remarks were made by Blake Ross over IRC to Mike Connor:
18:33:59 <ehird> <blake2> congratulations mconnor
18:33:59 <AnMaster> ehird, is that screenshot phoenix or firefox?
18:34:01 <ehird> <blake2> you just destroyed a legend!
18:34:13 <ehird> CESSMASTER: don't care
18:34:17 <ehird> AnMaster: anything before circa 2004
18:34:23 <ehird> CESSMASTER: it's unmaintained too
18:34:38 <AnMaster> ehird, I never used firefox between phoenix and firefox 1.0
18:35:13 <ehird> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/Phoenix0.1.PNG
18:35:16 <ehird> lol @ those buttons :)
18:35:24 <ehird> lol @ the odd toolbar organization
18:35:36 <AnMaster> ehird, netscape 6 or something like that had those icons too iirc?
18:35:51 <ehird> "Continuing pressure from the Firebird community forced another change, and on February 9, 2004 the project was renamed Mozilla Firefox (or Firefox for short)."
18:35:55 <ehird> i guess i started using it a few months later
18:36:09 <Deewiant> I don't think netscape ever looked like that
18:36:19 <ehird> AnMaster: i was just getting a date
18:36:21 <AnMaster> was it firebird -> phoenix -> firefox?
18:36:23 <ehird> I know i used it post-firefox only
18:36:29 <ehird> phoenix → firebird → firefox
18:36:35 <ehird> phoenix is something or other, firebird is a database
18:36:48 <ehird> AnMaster: because mozilla.org couldn't google
18:36:56 <ehird> so were therefore helpless to avoid trodding on other people's shit
18:37:04 <AnMaster> ehird, ah, do you remember back before google
18:37:06 <Deewiant> (30-year old company or something like that)
18:37:13 <AnMaster> I remember back before search engines
18:37:18 <ehird> AnMaster: no. because I was 1 year old.
18:37:21 <AnMaster> when you used these "listings"
18:37:37 <ehird> a year before google i was busy being born.
18:37:41 <AnMaster> well, search engines did exist, but were pretty new
18:37:45 <ehird> kinda, uh, takes up time
18:37:52 <GregorR-L> I remember using AltaVista, Hotbot and Yahoo.
18:37:54 <AnMaster> ehird, yeah it does. Like 9 months
18:38:00 <pikhq> I started using it in time for the last version of Phoenix.
18:38:03 <Deewiant> It was? I always preferred Yahoo
18:38:26 <AnMaster> since we had expensive dial-up
18:38:26 <GregorR-L> Hotbot was soooo much better than Yahoo :P
18:38:30 <ehird> i used google. I'm so lame.
18:38:42 <Deewiant> I still use Yahoo from time to time
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18:38:49 <ehird> AnMaster: ehhhhhh 14 isn't thaaaat young.
18:38:50 <Deewiant> It occasionally gives me what Google can't
18:39:07 <ehird> AnMaster: you only have 4-5 years on me.
18:39:36 <ehird> CESSMASTER: actually 13.
18:39:41 <AnMaster> ehird, hm? google was founded in 1996?
18:39:48 <ehird> but rounding up, 14.
18:39:55 <ehird> CESSMASTER: just like your mom.
18:40:04 <ehird> that's right. your mom is 13. truly tragic time travel incident.
18:40:10 <AnMaster> ehird, really? Well it wasn't very popular until maybe 1998 or so
18:40:16 <ehird> AnMaster: incorporated 98
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18:40:21 <ehird> CESSMASTER: anyway did you just appear or something or did you have a previous nick before or sth.
18:40:38 <Deewiant> It was made public 1997, wasn't it
18:40:40 <ehird> CESSMASTER: happens.
18:41:21 <ehird> http://www.microsoft.com/australia/ie8/competition/
18:41:28 <ehird> But you'll never find it using boring [Firefox|Safari|Lynx].
18:41:46 <ehird> tl;dr MS is offering $10k if you switch to IE8.
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18:41:50 <Deewiant> I have Shiretoko so it just says "that browser"
18:42:20 <AnMaster> ehird, it says "that browser" here?
18:42:31 <ehird> AnMaster: You use some communist browser that it doesn't know about.
18:42:33 <AnMaster> wonder if it checks user agent
18:42:57 <AnMaster> ehird, it knows about lynx but not konq?
18:43:07 <Deewiant> It doesn't know about lynx, does it?
18:43:13 <ehird> 18:41 ehird: But you'll never find it using boring [Firefox|Safari|Lynx].
18:43:17 <ehird> Deewiant: he thinks I was serious.
18:43:24 <ehird> It's not as if it's an image or anything.
18:43:25 <Deewiant> It doesn't know about Opera either.
18:43:36 <Deewiant> ehird: I know. You did sound serious, FWIW.
18:43:45 <AnMaster> ehird, ah yes it is an image indeed
18:43:46 <ehird> Deewiant: Bloody forners.
18:43:58 <AnMaster> and yes I thought you were serious ehird
18:44:41 <lament> David \o/ slowed \o/ his \o/ pace \o/ a \o/ bit \o/ as \o/ his \o/ ears, \o/
18:44:51 <ehird> http://pleaseenjoy.com/project.php?cat=4&subcat=&pid=131&navpoint=0
18:44:56 <ehird> New York confirms it: a browser is a search engine.
18:46:23 <AnMaster> ehird, does that need video or something?
18:46:34 <AnMaster> I have no clue *what* I'm missing.
18:46:50 <AnMaster> there is a grey area above "What is a Browser?"
18:47:16 <AnMaster> looks like there should be something there
18:47:45 <GregorR-L> ehird: The weirdest thing is that everyone AGREES to the wrong definition ...
18:48:11 <AnMaster> there is no image or video there
18:48:53 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, flash? something else?
18:50:15 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, I never met people so stupid here in Sweden FYI
18:50:39 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: You don't talk to random unexpecting people on the street.
18:50:52 <GregorR-L> I don't meet people that stupid in the PL lab at Purdue either :P
18:51:10 <AnMaster> but I know some computer illiterate people.
18:51:21 <fizzie> Yes, well, when the people responsible for the Finnish "but think of the children!" Internet firewalling thing were asked "why is site X banned when it just has some links, but Google is not even though it also has as bad links" the response was that "well Google's a browser".
18:51:44 <pikhq> *Googlebot* may be, but...
18:52:13 <lament> google is certainly a browser. It browses websites.
18:52:16 <AnMaster> pikhq, no that is a spider, not a browser
18:52:35 <lament> it browses?? browses!!
18:52:36 <GregorR-L> No, a spider is an animal with eight legs and an exoskeleton.
18:52:43 <pikhq> coppro: A very crappy one. ^_^
18:52:44 <fizzie> "It's not a website, it's a browser." then someone asks what's the difference, and the answer to *that* is something completely unrelated.
18:53:34 <coppro> bear in mind that these are the same people who, if you said that IE was a browser, would go "The Internet's a browser!?"
18:53:44 <lament> i'm guessing it's myndzi.
18:54:11 <coppro> that has led to some humourous things going on in Agora
18:54:28 * GregorR-L myndzi's GregorR-L's myndzi myndzi.
18:54:28 * myndzi GregorR-L's myndzi's GregorR-L GregorR-L.
18:54:36 <AnMaster> he should fix align. To not assume mirc style. I think mirc is rather uncommon in this channel
18:54:55 <pikhq> Shows up right for me.
18:55:48 <AnMaster> pikhq, not using aligning so nicks are right aligned so all text start at the same column?
18:55:56 <fizzie> Irssi's default style is "mirc-like" (what a term), though some people use alternative themes.
18:56:13 <AnMaster> Sorry for this, to back up the above claim about mirc being uncommon here I'm forced to do this:
18:56:41 <AnMaster> irssi is by far most common here I see
18:56:43 <fizzie> The commonality of mirc is not really strictly speaking relevant; it's not like it's the only client which does it that way.
18:57:01 <AnMaster> there are a few mirc but not many
18:57:27 <AnMaster> also SimonRC, why are you using an old irssi? And a release candidate at that
18:57:36 <Deewiant> Wait, it's possible to right-align nicks in irssi?
18:57:49 <AnMaster> oh another person using ERC :D
18:57:52 <AnMaster> -upyr[emacs]- VERSION ERC Version 5.2 - an IRC client for emacs (http://emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/ERC (mailing list: erc-discuss@gnu.org))
18:58:04 <AnMaster> upyr[emacs], nice to meet you, whoever you are
18:58:24 <fizzie> Deewiant: Sure, though you'll have to set some sort of maximum length.
18:58:49 <pikhq> Any response from Gregor yet?
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18:59:03 <coppro> AnMaster: You should make a bot with the VERSION stats
18:59:07 <Deewiant> I've only ever seen X-chat do that.
18:59:18 <AnMaster> Deewiant, some format string thingy in /set
18:59:31 <AnMaster> -GregorR-L- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Linux 2.6.26-2-686 [i686/2.40GHz]
18:59:34 <fizzie> Deewiant: Look at some theme from http://irssi.org/themes which does it. But the $-parameter expansion has a "use this width, right-align" syntax.
18:59:45 <Deewiant> fizzie: I've looked, haven't seen any. :-)
18:59:55 <GregorR-L> Why does xchat report the fekking speed of my processor :P
19:00:03 <Deewiant> Those thumbnails aren't too easy to search through anyway.
19:00:04 <fizzie> Deewiant: Well, I did one myself, but I think the computer it is on is currently offline.
19:00:44 <fizzie> Deewiant: http://irssi.org/themefiles/elf.png
19:01:05 <Deewiant> I.e. is the default parameter-expansion thingy
19:01:33 <fizzie> Deewiant: Yes, you just need something in there for the width, and I think a - sign for right-alignation. Or something. My theme didn't really quite work right so I sort of abandoned it.
19:01:39 <AnMaster> I find irssi a very poor irc client
19:01:45 <AnMaster> unless you stay on freenode only
19:01:50 <GregorR-L> You know what would be ENDLESSLY HILARIOUS? If Google themed their site to look like hotbot on April 1.
19:01:55 <pikhq> GregorR-L: 32-bit lawl.
19:02:04 <pikhq> AnMaster: Latency.
19:02:11 <fizzie> That's a strange comment. I haven't had any problems with irssi and multiple networks.
19:02:21 <pikhq> GregorR-L: ... Yes. VMware works just fine on 64-bit.
19:02:30 <AnMaster> it seriously messes up on irc servers with more prefixes than +%@
19:02:41 <pikhq> AnMaster: Not in my experience.
19:02:48 <AnMaster> pikhq, well in my experience it does.
19:02:55 <GregorR-L> pikhq: VMWare on OS X, which is garbage-o and 32-bit even on a 64-bit proc.
19:02:56 <pikhq> I know that Foonetic has those.
19:03:09 <pikhq> GregorR-L: *Ouch*.
19:03:23 <Deewiant> Gah, too esoteric. I'll have to look for docs or something some day.
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19:03:32 <AnMaster> vmware server on 32-bit windows can run 64-bit guests, if the cpu is 64-bit
19:03:37 <GregorR-L> More and more features crashed as nobody maintained it, until it was finally just an obscure error message.
19:03:54 <pikhq> AnMaster: That's pretty spiffy.
19:04:10 <AnMaster> pikhq, well useless to me. since I run 64-bit Linux as the host OS
19:04:21 <pikhq> Of course, VMware Server 2.0 is crappy.
19:04:22 <Deewiant> http://www.google.com/trends?q=hotbot%2C+altavista
19:04:39 <pikhq> The management interface is AJAX.
19:04:50 <pikhq> The server for this is Java EE.
19:04:51 <AnMaster> and that is basically useless to me
19:05:08 <AnMaster> pikhq, what part runs the actual emulation? Not the java bit surely?
19:05:42 <pikhq> The management interface is truly awful.
19:05:54 <pikhq> And has malloced 600M.
19:06:00 <AnMaster> pikhq, the old one wasn't very good either. But not that bad
19:06:11 <AnMaster> the old console was however usable
19:06:29 <pikhq> If you count Firefox (only works in Firefox), it has malloced ALL THE MEMORY.
19:06:50 <pikhq> (without having a virtual machine)
19:07:09 <pikhq> Might also work in IE. Doubt it, though.
19:07:38 <pikhq> Among other things, it has a Firefox extension to support displaying the VM's screen.
19:07:40 <fizzie> HP's printer drivers used to contain a complete copy of Apache Tomcat, just because some printer status dialog was implemented as a JSP "web page".
19:08:16 <pikhq> For comparison, VMware Server 1.0 had a GTK program.
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19:08:37 <AnMaster> pikhq, I know. I used the 1.0 one just a few weeks ago
19:08:58 <AnMaster> pikhq, what about the workstation one
19:08:59 <pikhq> AnMaster: Nice, isn't it? (by nice, I mean "actually works")
19:09:11 <pikhq> Roughly the same as the 1.0 one.
19:09:20 <AnMaster> pikhq, yes it actually works, as long as someone patches the kernel module for it every now and then
19:09:28 <AnMaster> so far it has been possible to port it forward
19:09:41 <pikhq> Oh, the worst part about this AJAX Java *shit*?
19:09:52 <pikhq> I get to wait for it to *load*.
19:09:58 <pikhq> CONNECTED TO LOCALHOST.
19:10:42 <AnMaster> assuming your CPU is new enough
19:10:51 <pikhq> CPU's not new enough.
19:11:05 <pikhq> And this is for work.
19:11:55 <augur> pikhq: i read that as "CONNECTED TO HOLOCAUST"
19:12:06 <augur> its only one letter off, after jumbling D:
19:12:57 <pikhq> Loading. For a UI. On localhost.
19:13:10 <pikhq> I think that raw X11 via modem is more usable.
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19:17:10 -!- WHy has changed nick to Why.
19:17:29 * Why would this name be a source of confusion?
19:17:44 * Why is the sky blue?
19:17:48 * Why is the grass green?
19:21:02 * Why don't you send Gregor some money?
19:21:15 * Why , you find that to be an excellent idea!
19:21:15 <pikhq> Because my college claims all of it.
19:21:18 <augur> i can answer why to the last two questions
19:21:42 * Why are you making excuses, when you know you want to send money to Gregor?
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19:22:23 -!- Because has changed nick to AnMaster.
19:22:33 <Why> That's how I got "Why" :P
19:22:36 <augur> the sky is blue because red light is scattered at a lower angle than blue light, so blue light can scatter all over the place, while red light only scatters slightly (hence warmer colors in the evening, when the angles are shallower!)
19:22:41 -!- Why has changed nick to write.
19:22:44 <write> As well as this one
19:22:45 <augur> grass is green because of chlorofil.
19:23:05 <write> augur: That's not much of an answer.
19:23:30 <write> augur: That's like "why is that painting all red?" "because the paint uses iron for pigmentation"
19:24:37 -!- pikhq has changed nick to Kial.
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19:25:09 * Kial vi ne parolas Esperanton?
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19:25:26 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, "<write> augur: That's like "why is that painting all red?" "because the paint uses iron for pigmentation"" <-- perfectly valid?
19:25:43 <pikhq> AnMaster: But useless.
19:25:58 <lament> the sky is blue because it is made of air, and air is blue in color.
19:26:23 <pikhq> The sky is blue because SHUT UP AND DRINK YOUR DAMNED TEA.
19:26:27 <AnMaster> for example, very useful if you already know why iron often gives a red colour.
19:26:51 <pikhq> Unless you wish to know why red was chosen for the painting.
19:27:07 <AnMaster> pikhq, oh of course that is another way to interpret the question
19:27:21 <lament> when people ask why the sky is blue, do they mean "why" in the sense of purpose or in the sense of a physical explanation?
19:27:45 <AnMaster> lament, I always assume the latter.
19:27:53 <AnMaster> Since the former is nonsense when it comes to the sky
19:28:03 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: BECAUSE GOD LIKES THE COLOR BLUE
19:28:05 <AnMaster> for paint it might not be nonsense of course
19:28:08 <pikhq> AnMaster: Unless you're theistic.
19:28:12 <lament> AnMaster: but that makes no sense
19:28:22 <lament> AnMaster: why single out the sky?
19:29:10 <lament> AnMaster: a good answer would be "because all visible physical objects have a color, and blue is as good as any"
19:29:16 <AnMaster> lament, in this case, because if you see a painted house or such someone probably decided what colour to give it. Unless they picked at random or such
19:29:35 <lament> or, "because if the sky was green, you would ask why is it green"
19:30:01 <AnMaster> similar to the "so you had something to ask about" reply in other cases.
19:30:30 <AnMaster> the physically explanation is usually what you want IME.
19:30:36 <lament> but there is no physical explanation.
19:31:22 <lament> "because certain electrons have certain transitions that correspond to a wavelength we perceive as blue" is not any different from "it's blue because it's blue"
19:31:26 <AnMaster> The fact that iron gives a red colour in paint, yet pure iron isn't red (it is a grey metal afaik), is rather interesting.
19:31:45 <AnMaster> iron can also be black, with enough carbon in it
19:32:45 <pikhq> There's a lot of metals that have different colors in compounds.
19:33:06 <pikhq> Copper, for example, is blue in compounds.
19:33:16 <lament> the reason for gold being yellow is absolutely insane
19:33:21 <GregorR-L> Which is why I have to stay away from certain green fabrics :P
19:33:25 <lament> quantum tunneling effects or something
19:33:49 <pikhq> lament: Really? That's... Wow.
19:34:08 <GregorR-L> Gold reacts differently, depending on subtle relativistic effects that affect the orbitals around gold atoms.
19:35:07 <GregorR-L> Hahah, "relativistic effects" links to the page "Relativistic quantum chemistry"
19:35:10 <lament> that the only reason this explanation is relevant
19:35:13 <GregorR-L> The very existence of that page makes my brain hurt.
19:35:16 <lament> is because the real question is not "why is gold yellow"
19:35:26 <lament> the real question is "why is gold yellow, unlike the other metals?"
19:35:30 <AnMaster> pikhq, I'm well aware of the different colour in compounds thing
19:35:36 <AnMaster> and also I think I remember the reason
19:35:36 <lament> but when people ask why the sky is blue
19:36:21 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> (that was from The Oracle) <-- why would you trust that
19:36:32 <lament> they really just mean why it is blue
19:36:45 <AnMaster> are we talking about the same thing
19:36:48 <lament> so there's no need for a physical explanation, you can just tell them to go fuck themselves
19:36:55 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, not the internet oracle then?
19:37:17 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, this is: http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/index.cgi
19:37:28 <pikhq> I prefer bowing before Kibo.
19:38:16 <AnMaster> <GregorR-L> Gold reacts differently, depending on subtle relativistic effects that affect the orbitals around gold atoms. <-- where is the quote from
19:38:29 <GregorR-L> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold#Color_of_gold
19:38:53 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, yeah, looked how many pages wikipedia has? It's like saying "oh it was from the library" when someone asks "what book"?
19:39:24 <GregorR-L> It wouldn't have been that complicated to figure out that it was PROBABLY on the Wikipedia page "Gold" X_X
19:40:04 <GregorR-L> "Gold reacts differently, depending on subtle relativistic effects that affect the orbitals around gold atoms." // I know this is on Wikipedia, but I guess I'll just have to go to Special:Random a billion fucking times until I find it.
19:40:28 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, oooh nice. BogoSearch
19:40:35 <AnMaster> it is like bogosort, but for searching
19:40:48 <AnMaster> you have bogosearch, binary search, and so on
19:41:33 <AnMaster> Deewiant, an alias for asking ehird on irc :D
19:41:43 <AnMaster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_algorithm
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19:43:14 <AnMaster> THAT explains why nick completion worked so well today
19:43:42 <AnMaster> I suggest you keep the nick "Floor_Feline". VERY nice nick. :P
19:44:09 <AnMaster> L sorts after I too. So even better
19:44:28 <pikhq> Man, "Flexplay" and other disposable DVD formats.
19:44:47 <pikhq> Great for people willing to copy a DVD.
19:45:00 <pikhq> Crap for everyone else.
19:45:06 <Gracenotes> g, r, e. They're, like, right next to each other
19:45:17 <AnMaster> pikhq, "disposable DVD"? Err what
19:45:39 <AnMaster> Gracenotes, I usually type two chars before tab completing
19:45:53 <pikhq> AnMaster: The plastic used in them slowly reacts with oxygen to make them unplayable after 48 hours.
19:46:12 <AnMaster> pikhq, how silly. And the shelf life would be very short
19:46:23 <pikhq> They're stored sealed.
19:46:23 <AnMaster> oh and they would cost more than normal DVDs to manufacture I guess?
19:46:29 <GregorR-L> I switched to GKennethR on Sine for this reason.
19:46:41 <pikhq> They're on sale today.
19:46:45 <pikhq> And yes, they cost more.
19:46:55 <AnMaster> pikhq, so what is the point if they cost more
19:47:06 <pikhq> Competing with rentals.
19:47:07 <AnMaster> GregorR, is this a reference to Discworld?
19:47:08 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: They sell them for less because you have to rebuy them.
19:47:11 <Gracenotes> I REGRET THAT I HAVE BUT ONE NICK TO CHANGE
19:47:26 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, "Wee free men" you know.
19:47:26 <pikhq> And they've still got a ridiculous profit margin on the things.
19:48:29 <GregorR-L> I've never actually /seen/ them, but I'd heard of them.
19:48:30 <AnMaster> GregorR, they showed up in four different books so far. Extremely important parts in three of them
19:48:32 <pikhq> But they're dirt cheap for anyone willing to, y'know, use a DVD burner.
19:48:36 <GregorR-L> And $5 is RIDICULOUSLY expensive for that.
19:48:42 <GregorR-L> Considering that RedBox is $1/night.
19:48:44 <AnMaster> GregorR-L, "seen"? You mean "read about"?
19:48:56 <pikhq> I've seen them in stores.
19:49:05 <AnMaster> GregorR, not talking about the same thing any more?
19:49:09 <pikhq> I skipped out on those.
19:49:30 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: But no, that was a Braveheart reference.
19:49:30 <AnMaster> GregorR, but was it such a reference or not?
19:49:34 <pikhq> Since, well... New DVDs are $10. RedBox rentals are $1/night.
19:49:58 <pikhq> I can either spend a bit more and get a full disc, or a bit less and copy it.
19:50:15 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: It's a DVD rental machine in the US.
19:50:38 <pikhq> It's a little vending-machine type thing.
19:50:58 <AnMaster> How the hell would they be able to check who rented it and make sure they get them back from a machine
19:51:10 <GregorR-L> AnMaster: You have to use a card, and it charges you regardless.
19:51:21 <pikhq> They have your credit card information, and if you keep the thing for 30 days, it's yours.
19:51:44 <GregorR-L> There's one a block from my apt, so I use it now and then.
19:52:00 <pikhq> I've not used it, but I may soon as I get a DVD burner.
19:52:02 * AnMaster haven't watched video or dvd for over a year by now
19:52:26 <AnMaster> well, except short youtube videos and such of course
19:52:37 <GregorR-L> pikhq: I rip to .mkv and then return several hours after I checked it out :P
19:52:44 <AnMaster> I have no TV either, I do have an old VHS unit
19:52:55 <pikhq> GregorR-L: I'd do that if I had a terabyte hard drive.
19:53:18 <pikhq> Though, really, I could just rip anyways; I've got free space.
19:53:22 <AnMaster> GregorR, And a gramophone player. (Or do you call it something else in US? I forgot.)
19:53:29 <pikhq> (H.264 and AAC. :P)
19:53:35 <AnMaster> I actually use the gramophone player sometimes
19:53:35 <pikhq> AnMaster: Gramophone or record.
19:53:41 <pikhq> Record is more common.
19:53:44 <AnMaster> played some music from the 70s
19:54:05 <GregorR-L> Which is why we use it in America.
19:55:02 <AnMaster> (When words containing ph are imported from English to Swedish those "ph" turns into "f".)
19:55:15 <AnMaster> though I guess gramophone is originally Latin
19:55:36 <GregorR-L> What with the invention of the gramophone machine in the year 15 :P
19:56:09 <AnMaster> GregorR, ... the word sounds like it is based on Latin words
19:56:30 <AnMaster> btw, telephone -> telefon in Swedish
19:56:48 <AnMaster> ph in Swedish would be extremely strange.
19:57:35 <Deewiant> AnMaster: You fail Latin; phone is Greek
19:57:52 <AnMaster> Deewiant, I don't know either Greek or Latin, so quite possibly
19:58:44 <AnMaster> Deewiant, the words imported from them are in some aspects rather similar. Hard to tell from which of those it comes
19:59:14 <Deewiant> Audio is Latin, phone is Greek.
20:01:03 <GregorR-L> Of course we all know, I just thought it would be amusing to say words like that.
20:01:17 <GregorR-L> "I'm answering the remote-sound, turn off the remote-sight"
20:01:57 <AnMaster> it would be funnier to use native names for it
20:02:01 <oerjan> or telescope, which is all greek
20:02:08 <AnMaster> it would be like Leonardo da Qurim
20:02:28 <AnMaster> "Because it submerges into the sea I call it going-under-the-water-safely-device"
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20:03:26 <oerjan> GregorR-L: "fjernsyn" is a norwegian word for television...
20:03:38 <oerjan> although everybody says tv these days
20:03:38 <AnMaster> oerjan, yes you like translating iirc
20:03:58 * AnMaster wonders what broadcasting is in Swedish
20:04:07 <oerjan> i doubt "kring" is danish
20:04:07 <GregorR-L> You people and your multiple languages.
20:04:26 <oerjan> it feels like nynorsk to me
20:04:40 <AnMaster> oerjan, kring sounds like Swedish to me
20:04:48 <oerjan> it _might_ be danish too
20:06:03 <AnMaster> GregorR, Rather lame failed attempt at what might, in the right light, be considered a joke
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20:06:32 <AnMaster> needless to say, the right light was not present here.
20:06:39 <oerjan> huh wikipedia has neither swedish nor danish links for "broadcasting"
20:08:04 <oerjan> GregorR-L: also, more like fyernseen
20:09:13 <AnMaster> oerjan, is it like it would be in Swedish?
20:09:17 <augur> oh fine heres a better answer
20:09:27 <augur> there are three kinds of ways things can get color
20:09:42 <GregorR-L> ais523: Help, help, English is being drowned in crazy continental languages!
20:09:42 <oerjan> AnMaster: probably pretty close
20:09:53 <oerjan> maybe with an ä for the first e
20:09:54 <augur> the first is by allowing only some light through then. color filters, for instance, absorb only some colors of light
20:09:59 <AnMaster> oerjan, if so the English approx is rather weird
20:10:06 <augur> whats not absorbed is what color the filter appears to be
20:10:35 <augur> the second is by reflection, where something absorbs some colors of light, while reflecting the rest
20:10:50 <augur> this is why surfaces have the color they do
20:11:08 <augur> and why semi-surfaces like air or steam or whatnot have the color they do
20:11:45 <augur> the third is emmission, whereby the atoms of the thing radiate light of a particular color without reflection or transparency
20:11:46 <fizzie> Finnish for "telephone" is "puhelin", which I guess is a bit like saying "talkie". ("puhe" is "talk", "speech"; but I'm not sure the "-lin" suffix in this particular case has a very definite meaning. Though literally speaking you could read it as a rather informal variation of the "to speak" verb in the first-person imperfect tense; so, "I spoke". Though that would be "puhuin" normally, "puhelin" sounds like you're sort-of chatting and not doing any serious t
20:12:30 <AnMaster> augur, explain the physical properties resulting in iron giving red colour.
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20:13:31 <AnMaster> fizzie, Finnish is so expressive...
20:13:33 <augur> details specific to irony, or in general?
20:13:52 <augur> i dont know the details of iron.
20:13:57 <augur> but i can give you a general view of it
20:14:02 <AnMaster> I don't remember details for "why bonds give different colour than non-bonds"
20:14:11 <augur> ohwell its not so much bonds, right
20:14:22 <AnMaster> I do remember the electrons moving up to different energy level
20:14:26 <augur> it has to do with the electron shells
20:14:32 <AnMaster> and then "falling" back down and such
20:14:40 <augur> right, thats absorption-reemission
20:14:45 <AnMaster> augur, yes, but "why different in bonds" is the bit I *don't* remember
20:14:47 <augur> im not really sure that that plays a role in reflection tho
20:16:21 <augur> i dont know. it might be that. but im not entirely certain
20:16:47 <oerjan> well bonds occur precisely because they allow the molecule to have a smaller energy than the atom parts, so it is reasonable that some individual electrons would get shifted too
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20:17:39 <AnMaster> oerjan, ah yes, now I remember
20:19:56 <AnMaster> it is really interesting how some help texts in linux kernel config is so out of date
20:20:08 <AnMaster> Pocket and portable adapters (NET_POCKET)
20:20:09 <AnMaster> Cute little network (Ethernet) devices which attach to the parallel
20:20:09 <AnMaster> port ("pocket adapters"), commonly used with laptops.
20:20:25 <AnMaster> laptops still have parallel ports?
20:21:39 <fizzie> Meh; things were so easy back at those periods of school when electrons had those well-defined places and anything. In the quantum physics course it was all Schrodinger equations, and we barely managed to actually find some solutions for hydrogen, since it has that "simple" radial equation; and even that involved Laguerre polynomials and whatnot.
20:23:19 <fizzie> And I mean, really, *hydrogen*. You can't get much more simple than that.
20:23:52 <oerjan> free the oppressed electrons!
20:24:34 <oerjan> augur: how _dare_ you make such a misreadable comment
20:24:52 <augur> i meant to write electrons
20:24:54 <AnMaster> I also read it as electron first
20:25:09 <augur> unfortunately, im talking about the iran elections with someone at the same time
20:25:14 <augur> and the words are only one letter off
20:25:20 <augur> YAY LEXICAL PRIMING
20:25:36 <oerjan> free electrons in iron!
20:28:43 <Gracenotes> oh damn it, I just entered an rm command with a wildcard without thinking
20:28:52 <ais523> how much did you lose?
20:29:02 <ais523> I once lost my only Unlambda->Underlambda compiler like that
20:29:04 <Gracenotes> thankfully I didn't delete anything I needed... in fact, I ended up deleting just what I wanted
20:29:06 <ais523> and still haven't recreated it
20:29:19 <ais523> nowadays I set Emacs to save its backups in a different directory from the files themselves
20:29:22 <ais523> to mitigate that sort of thing
20:29:52 <Gracenotes> but I could have accidentally pressed a space and I would have ended up deleting *srt and * :/
20:30:44 <Gracenotes> I just reflexively hit enter. anyway.. I haven't had any rm accidents that I remember...
20:33:09 <augur> http://xkcd.com/594/ PAHAHA
20:41:22 <ais523> GregorR-L: recursively?
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21:01:52 <AnMaster> <augur> YAY LEXICAL PRIMING <-- "lexical priming"?
21:02:49 <AnMaster> it only asks for when you have more than x files, and only ask once then
21:03:22 <AnMaster> Gracenotes, I don't use -i either, but -I is quite ok
21:03:38 <Gracenotes> AnMaster: not if you feed yes into it :P
21:03:57 <AnMaster> Gracenotes, I also have a safeguard preventing rm -rf * ~. rm is really a bash function wrapping the real rm here.
21:04:07 <AnMaster> which checks for any argument being ~, and a few other things
21:05:25 <augur> AnMaster: lexical priming is when the content of your thoughts activates words or phrases in preparation for their use, making it more likely that theyll accidentally be spoken in place of semantically, syntactically, or phonologically similar words
21:06:06 <AnMaster> augur, hm ok. "accidentally" doesn't happen there unless someone else suddenly change topic like you did
21:06:23 <augur> when did i change topic?
21:06:25 <augur> i didnt change topic.
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21:06:41 <AnMaster> augur, also it wouldn't have happen if you had *said* election. Because the difference when spoken is quite a bit more noticeable
21:06:42 <augur> also, no, it has nothing to do with topics.
21:06:51 <AnMaster> <fizzie> And I mean, really, *hydrogen*. You can't get much more simple than that.
21:07:08 <AnMaster> we were talked about electrons
21:07:18 <augur> actually no, anmaster, 1) it could easily have happened in speach
21:07:23 <augur> and 2) i was talking about electrons too.
21:07:27 <AnMaster> augur, not with that specific example
21:07:34 <augur> with that specific example.
21:07:42 <AnMaster> augur, oh. I thought you changed the topic to elections
21:07:56 <augur> were you paying attention AT ALL?
21:08:00 <oerjan> enough of these eel crumbs
21:08:04 <augur> thats why i brought up lexical priming
21:08:06 <AnMaster> augur, I thought you were trying to confuse us!
21:08:25 <augur> anmaster, you thought that because you didnt read, right after that, were i said that i meant electron not electrion
21:08:52 <AnMaster> augur, I missed that line due to someone trying to talk with me in "RL" at the same time yes. A rather annoying person.
21:09:04 <augur> then shut the fuck up with your stupid bullshit
21:09:20 <augur> you do this all the fucking time
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21:09:37 <oerjan> yore speeling is giust fine
21:09:46 <augur> you dont pay attention to the channel, and then you get into these fucking arguments because you dont know what the fuck people said
21:09:52 <augur> but you act like you DO know
21:10:12 <AnMaster> augur, so what is it called when it is lexical priming while reading? As in, you read something different than what it says, instead of write something different than you intendent
21:10:34 <augur> thats lexical priming as well. same thing.
21:10:49 <AnMaster> I thought it was that bit we were talking about.
21:11:06 <augur> its lexical priming in both production and recognition
21:11:39 <augur> lexical priming does all sorts of crazy shit.
21:12:10 <AnMaster> Also, 1) yes I sometimes read "holistically", I don't have time to do everything 2) no I don't _intentionally_ act like I read the channel.
21:12:36 <AnMaster> for example I'm also trying to configure a new kernel at the same time as chatting in 5 irc channels, one of them being this one
21:12:55 <augur> maybe you should stop presuming you know whats going on then
21:13:08 <tetha> plus the kernel will prolly panic :)
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21:14:23 <AnMaster> <augur> maybe you should stop presuming you know whats going on then <-- see point 2
21:14:36 <AnMaster> tetha, probably not, I have done this many times before.
21:14:58 <augur> see this whole conversation.
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21:15:31 <augur> you just randomly start talking about something without having read the relevant text
21:15:38 <augur> you just found a phrase and asked about it
21:16:06 <AnMaster> augur, I did read it. But not completely it seems. I missed one line. So what? Why are you so angry over such a small thing.
21:16:24 <augur> you mustve missed more than one line there buddy
21:16:46 <augur> you missed about three
21:16:46 <AnMaster> no, only the line "<augur> i meant to write electrons"
21:16:53 <augur> TRY THE TWO AFTER THAN HUH
21:17:09 <oerjan> augur: but what does this have to do with elderberries?
21:17:24 <augur> oerjan: im not sure how i feel about elderberries.
21:17:25 <AnMaster> oerjan, I don't understand that joke...
21:17:37 <augur> i had some swedish elderflower drink the other day
21:17:43 <augur> tasted like tea tho
21:18:06 <AnMaster> great, I can't find timestamp on nabble...
21:18:25 <oerjan> AnMaster: you need to understand the price of tea in china
21:18:47 <augur> tea in china is pretty cheap
21:19:56 <AnMaster> oerjan, I don't have time to try to figure out what this joke is. So I won't.
21:20:15 <CESSMASTER> tea in china isn't cheap, if it's in nice china
21:20:36 <oerjan> what if it's drunk by a chinchilla?
21:23:52 <AnMaster> "You may need to mount the usbfs file system to see the files, use
21:23:52 <AnMaster> mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb" <-- /proc is already a pseudo file system, why do you need to mount another peudo file system inside it. Why can't the kernel just "merge" them and show them as one...
21:24:04 <augur> china chinchilla ocha?
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21:28:41 <augur> japanese word for tea
21:28:57 <augur> o- is an honorific prefix
21:29:01 <augur> cha by itself is tea as well
21:31:30 <oerjan> cheerfully chug your chinchilla chai
21:31:44 <augur> chai is the same root as cha
21:34:00 <augur> same root as "tea", actually
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22:06:56 <AnMaster> if not, do you remember PPP at least?
22:07:10 <GregorR-L> I remember both, although TBH I learned about SLIP well after PPP :P
22:07:32 <AnMaster> GregorR, ah, you never used SLIP?
22:08:04 <GregorR-L> I only used SLIP over a NULL modem cable.
22:09:04 <AnMaster> GregorR, I found out I had PPP turned on in my kernel for some totally unknown reason
22:09:57 <fizzie> I think EUnet only supported SLIP when we got our first intertube, but it didn't take long for them to add PPP too.
22:12:18 <fizzie> I guess it's even possible that it was some sort of pre-2.0 Trumpet Winsock (for win 3.something) didn't do PPP.
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22:13:53 <AnMaster> so I wouldn't have run into it
22:14:47 <GregorR-L> IIRC, that was an implementation of Winsock (you heard me), back when real Winsock was Winuseless.
22:18:47 <fizzie> Yes, pre-95 versions didn't do that sort of stuff. Although I seem to recall that they provided some sort of official TCP/IP dialup support too. Maybe around the time IE was ported to 3.1 windows.
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